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Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Christian Peters
 

Roland,

I run a OP100 Gibertini with an Inverto Black and get around 12dB on Transponder 1 and 11.5dB on Transponder 2.
Located in the middle of Germany (near Frankfurt). Got receive all sats (Him8, GOES16/17,MSG-x, Metop-x, NOAA) but the headroom is small concerning rain...! ;-/
An OP125 should give a minimum of 13dB on T1 I think!

Regards,

Christian

Am 24.07.19 um 15:08 schrieb fly.fechter@...:

Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
??HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager?? Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those?? happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"?? ??LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland??

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Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

mkempfde
 

Hi Roland,

I use the same LNB since many years together with a 78cm antenna in the Stuttgart region. I get a 10,4db  signal in BDADataEx under best conditions. Good enough for Basic Service. For HVS I believe a 1m antenna should be sufficient in southern Germany.

Markus
Am 24/07/2019 um 17:11 schrieb Thorsten Miglus:

Roland,

I use the Inverto Black Ultra LNB. Click on the link to purchase one from Ebay.
In Germany you have the strongest signal from Eutelsat 10A. In the UK it is weaker.
My location is in northern Bavaria near Hof and I have more than 14 dB SNR with my Gibertini dish.

Cheers,
Thorsten


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:08 PM, fly.fechter@... wrote:
Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"   LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland 

Re: MPE MSG Animator

Ian Deans
 

On 23/07/2019 20:26, Emmanuel via Groups.Io wrote:
Super David !!
Always so effective!
I will test in the next few days but that seems to be correct
=======================================================================

I always found that the MPE data did not always appear to be accurate and the SAF data now replacing it also does not appear accurate.

For example this afternoon the SAF precipitation data shows a band of rain moving west to east, lying over eastern Scotland at approx. 15.00 UTC. There has not been any rain this afternoon moving west/east. It is not showing on UK weather radar and it has been and is completely dry here in the east of Scotland.

You would do better with Netweather,tv radar.

Regards
Ian.

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Alan Sewards
 

Hi Roland,

    I too suffer from not having enough signal for HVS_1 and -2, but I have capped my ambitions at the Basic Service, and this gives me all the imagery I want except for GOES E and W and perhaps Himawari. For these I use ftp and get the exellent animations from http://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/. running in my browser. In adddition i get imagery from JPSS, which is sometimes very interesting.

Best regards - Alan S

On 24-Jul-19 3:08 PM, fly.fechter@... wrote:
Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"   LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland 

     
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--
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Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Thorsten Miglus
 

Roland,

I use the Inverto Black Ultra LNB. Click on the link to purchase one from Ebay.
In Germany you have the strongest signal from Eutelsat 10A. In the UK it is weaker.
My location is in northern Bavaria near Hof and I have more than 14 dB SNR with my Gibertini dish.

Cheers,
Thorsten


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:08 PM, fly.fechter@... wrote:
Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"   LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland 

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE" LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
================================

Roland,

If you are getting GOES-17 you can get Himawari - they are on the same transponder. Make sure that:

1 - You have channel E1H-TPG-3 enabled, pointing its output to your received\EUMETSAT_Data_Channel_4 directory.

2 - You have the most recent MSG Data Manager (3.1.12 or later)

3 - In Channel Selection, FSD, Himawari you have your channels selected.

The location of your dish may not be the best. The sky has a very low temperature at radio frequencies, basically because you have a clear path to space for most of the time. Fog, cloud, ice-crystals etc. will make the temperature as seen by the antenna higher, and higher temperatures can mean more noise, and attenuation will result in less signal, making the SNR worse.

It is particularly important when we are dealing with weaker signals (such as our EUTELSAT 10A) that the antenna can "see" as little as possible at ground temperatures. The LNB should not "see" anything outside the dish, but in practice it will, so behind the dish should not be "warm", nor should anything in front of the dish. Imagine a cone starting with the diameter of the dish, and diverging outwards slightly as it points towards the satellite. Any trees? Leaves? Cut them down!

You might even be better with a slightly smaller dish if it can be better located.

Cheers,
David
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Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Robert
 

Hi Roland
sorry not and answer but I would also be interested in LMB recommendations.  My 0.1 seems to be rather deaf.  Maybe it’s me.  Am using. Very similar disk to you.

however I think my problem may be more tree related.

Robert

suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

fly.fechter@t-online.de
 

Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"   LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland 

     

Re: Himawari reception

geojohnt@...
 

Jan,

No!

You just need to get it aligned accurately.
You should be getting the same SNR on TP-1 - if not a little more - than I am.

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 23/07/2019 19:49:05 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:

To get HVS I will need a bigger dish than my 110cm I suppose

Re: Himawari reception

geojohnt@...
 

Roland,

The way I do it is right click one of the VIS thumbnails and you will get a 'GeoSatSignal process ...' message.
Left click this and GeoSatSignal will open 'as usual.'

Regards,
John



In a message dated 23/07/2019 19:41:49 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:

All I can get is currently SNR 10.8. This enables me - clear sky - to receive Goes 17.

B1, B2,B3, etc. The problem I have is that I am unable 

 to turn these into a coloured - false colour - image.

Could you please tell me how to obtain from the ABI manager false colour images of  the Goes 17 channels ?

Re: MPE MSG Animator

Emmanuel
 

Super David !!

Always so effective!
I will test in the next few days but that seems to be correct

Re: Himawari reception

Cornish Man
 


To get HVS I will need a bigger dish than my 110cm I suppose

:(

On Tuesday, 23 July 2019, 19:41:49 BST, fly.fechter@... <fly.fechter@...> wrote:


Thanks, John !

All I can get is currently SNR 10.8. This enables me - clear sky - to receive Goes 17.

B1, B2,B3, etc. The problem I have is that I am unable 

 to turn these into a coloured - false colour - image.

Could you please tell me how to obtain from the ABI manager false colour images of  the Goes 17 channels ? 

I look forward to your kind reply.

Regards,

Roland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original-Nachricht-----

Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Himawari reception

Datum: 2019-07-23T18:47:16+0200

Von: "geojohnt via Groups.Io" <geojohnt@...>

An: "MSG-1@groups.io" <MSG-1@groups.io>

 

 

 

Roland,
 
Himawari moved to HVS-1 some time ago - as did GOES-E and GOES-W.
Firstly you need to 'tick the box' for Himawari data in your EUMETCast Licence account via EO Portal.
 
Secondly you will need to get a lot more SNR from your dish.
Currently, you hardly have enough link margin under clear sky conditions to receive the HVS-1 stream.
 
Regards,
John.
 
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In a message dated 23/07/2019 17:12:02 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:
 
What settings are required where  ?- what service, basic service or HSV-1 ?
I no longer see images of Himawari though its data is part of the data I booked with Eumetsat !


Re: Himawari reception

fly.fechter@t-online.de
 

Thanks, John !

All I can get is currently SNR 10.8. This enables me - clear sky - to receive Goes 17.

B1, B2,B3, etc. The problem I have is that I am unable 

 to turn these into a coloured - false colour - image.

Could you please tell me how to obtain from the ABI manager false colour images of  the Goes 17 channels ? 

I look forward to your kind reply.

Regards,

Roland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original-Nachricht-----

Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Himawari reception

Datum: 2019-07-23T18:47:16+0200

Von: "geojohnt via Groups.Io" <geojohnt@...>

An: "MSG-1@groups.io" <MSG-1@groups.io>

 

 

 

Roland,
 
Himawari moved to HVS-1 some time ago - as did GOES-E and GOES-W.
Firstly you need to 'tick the box' for Himawari data in your EUMETCast Licence account via EO Portal.
 
Secondly you will need to get a lot more SNR from your dish.
Currently, you hardly have enough link margin under clear sky conditions to receive the HVS-1 stream.
 
Regards,
John.
 
++++++++++++++
 
In a message dated 23/07/2019 17:12:02 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:
 
What settings are required where  ?- what service, basic service or HSV-1 ?
I no longer see images of Himawari though its data is part of the data I booked with Eumetsat !


Re: Himawari reception

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hello,
What settings are required where ?- what service, basic service or HSV-1 ?
I no longer see images of Himawari though its data is part of the data I booked with Eumetsat !
Thanks in advance for your advice,
Regards,
Roland
=============================

Roland, please look at the EUMETSAT Web site!

https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/News/DAT_4054806.html
https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/News/DAT_3942692.html

David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: Himawari reception

geojohnt@...
 

Roland,

Himawari moved to HVS-1 some time ago - as did GOES-E and GOES-W.
Firstly you need to 'tick the box' for Himawari data in your EUMETCast Licence account via EO Portal.

Secondly you will need to get a lot more SNR from your dish.
Currently, you hardly have enough link margin under clear sky conditions to receive the HVS-1 stream.

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++++

In a message dated 23/07/2019 17:12:02 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:

What settings are required where  ?- what service, basic service or HSV-1 ?
I no longer see images of Himawari though its data is part of the data I booked with Eumetsat !

Himawari reception

fly.fechter@t-online.de
 

Hello,
What settings are required where  ?- what service, basic service or HSV-1 ?
I no longer see images of Himawari though its data is part of the data I booked with Eumetsat !
Thanks in advance for your advice,
Regards,
Roland

Re: MPE MSG Animator

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David,

I now receive the files in the form:
S-HSAF-h03B_20190723_0945_fdk.grb
In the SAF directory

I would appreciate being able to see the animation again with MSG ANIMATOR

Or with another software?

Thank you David!

Manu
==================================

OK, there's an experimental beta for you to try here:

https://www.satsignal.eu/software/beta.htm

1 - As the H-SAF data is not split into channels in my software as the imaging products are, you will need to use the timer refresh rather than automatic. I may be able to improve that in due course.

2 - The files must be unzipped in the MSG Data Manager, to have filenames like you show. Maybe at some future data I'll add .GZ unzipping to the MSG Animator.

3 - I've adopted a very simply approach of saying if the program looks for an MPE file, give it an H-SAF file instead. This shouldn't affect anything else, but....

Good reports welcome!

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: MPE MSG Animator

Emmanuel
 

David,
 
I now receive the files in the form:
S-HSAF-h03B_20190723_0945_fdk.grb
In the SAF directory
 
I would appreciate being able to see the animation again with MSG ANIMATOR
 
Or with another software?
 
Thank you David!

Manu

Green spaces in residential gardens

Robert Moore
 

Colleagues with an interest in remote sensing will find this report especially interesting – particularly the more technical part.

 

Robert

 

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Today, the Office for National Statistics’ Data Science Campus and Ordnance Survey have released a report which looks at a new tool to help identify the amount of green space in Britain’s urban residential gardens.

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Re: Minimum strength of HVS-1 transponder signals

geojohnt@...
 

Roland,

To add to David's comments, your dish at your location, should be giving you at least 14.00 dB SNR on TP-1 with an SR1 receiver.

If your SNR - under clear sky conditions is only 11.00 degrees, that is giving you only 1.7 dB link margin on
HVS-1 (according to my Putty SR1 Telnet readout) which is very low - 'too low.'

This link margin will drop under reduced signal condition (below required levels) with rain, snow, dish off-pointing, etc, which then begins to effect  and corrupt BS data reception - I understand.

So you have to get your dish problems sorted out.

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In a message dated 22/07/2019 15:24:36 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:

I am still interested in receiving GOES data. I understand this is being sent by HVS-1.
What is the minimum signal strength required for this purpose ?
At present - clear sky & heat as in hell - the signal strength indicated by SR1 control is around 11.db, power 40.
My SR1 is set to receive basic service only. What is the best way to extend this to basic service plus HVS-1 ?
Any chance under these circumstances ?