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Re: Starting from scratch

James Brown
 

Interesting - I saw a method using powershell and although it entailed a lot of typing it did the trick - so I pass on the tip in case anyone else is starting from scratch.

https://windowsreport.com/restore-missing-snmp-windows-10/

Cheers,
James

On 26/07/2019 15:02, James Brown wrote:
Good day all,

Following the demise of my main receiving computer I am starting from scratch to rebuild a working station.

AFter resolving an e-token issue the next problem needs me to ask - in the latest WIndows 10 SNMP is not available in 'Turn Windows features on or off' or as a service. I am wondering what the alternative might be as I need to be able to install monitoring progs again.

Thanks in advance for your help,

James



Re: Starting from scratch

James Brown
 

Good day all,

Following the demise of my main receiving computer I am starting from scratch to rebuild a working station.

AFter resolving an e-token issue the next problem needs me to ask - in the latest WIndows 10 SNMP is not available in 'Turn Windows features on or off' or as a service. I am wondering what the alternative might be as I need to be able to install monitoring progs again.

Thanks in advance for your help,

James

Re: MPE MSG Animator

dg1gdw@...
 

David,

SAF data work fine, but now the MPE RSS data are no more possible to display in MSG Animator.

73,
Detlef
DG1GDW

Re: FY-2H and FY-2G

geojohnt@...
 

David,

Re: my non reception of FY geo data in MDM.

You are right, thanks.

I had commented this channel out - with quite a few others - during those early days of using TC V2.14.4, trying to get rid of 'accumulating' non required data.

Strange(?) that the Basic Service Transponder 1: Current multicast channels and PIDs table lists:

E1B-TPG-1 500 224.223.222.27 5558 Third Party GEO Europe

Where one would expect to find FY?

As Data Channel-12 says:

EUMETSAT Data Channel 12 301 224.223.222.35 650 Multi-service misc Europe/Africa

And it's only:

  MAX MULTICAST DATA RATE (KBPS)

 650.

Anyway, problem solved, thanks.

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 25/07/2019 20:06:19 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

I thought I was receiving these services  - but I seldom have used them.

I'm getting GOMS 2 but no FY.

I've just updated my MDM to V.3.1.13.1306 2019-Jul-17 but still no FY data.

Er, ???

Regards,
John Tellick.
===============================

John,

IIRC, it should go to "EUMETSAT_Data_Channel 12" unless it has changed since
early June.

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David,
Thank you very much for your very useful detailed explications.
No luck with Himawari so far !
Tellique does show that I get HVS-1 data. However, when referring to E1H-TPG-2 data - ie. where the Himawari data is supposed to come in - Tellique shows "connecting" and "packet NAKs allowed but disabled".
Thankfully I continue to enjoy Goes 17 E1H-TPG-3 data despite my being "stuck" at a "maximum" signal strength of around 11dB.
Is there a way to enable those allowed but disabled Himawari NAKs ?
I look forward to your advice.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
=====================================

Never seen that error, Roland. If you are running the latest TelliCast, contact Ops at EUMETSAT. Otherwise upgrade TelliCast.

Cheers,
David
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Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

fly.fechter@t-online.de
 

David,
Thank you very much for your very useful detailed explications.
No luck with Himawari so far !
Tellique does show that I get HVS-1 data. However, when referring to E1H-TPG-2 data - ie. where the Himawari data is supposed to come in - Tellique shows "connecting" and "packet NAKs allowed but disabled".
Thankfully I continue to enjoy Goes 17 E1H-TPG-3 data despite my being "stuck" at a "maximum" signal strength of around 11dB.
Is there a way to enable those allowed but disabled Himawari NAKs ?
I look forward to your advice.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland




-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception
Datum: 2019-07-24T15:49:54+0200
Von: "David J Taylor via Groups.Io" <gm8arv=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>
An: "MSG-1@groups.io" <MSG-1@groups.io>

Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern
Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas
with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the
Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager
Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength
should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those happy users are way North
of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use
together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE" LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my
needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
================================

Roland,

If you are getting GOES-17 you can get Himawari - they are on the same
transponder. Make sure that:

1 - You have channel E1H-TPG-3 enabled, pointing its output to your
received\EUMETSAT_Data_Channel_4 directory.

2 - You have the most recent MSG Data Manager (3.1.12 or later)

3 - In Channel Selection, FSD, Himawari you have your channels selected.

The location of your dish may not be the best. The sky has a very low
temperature at radio frequencies, basically because you have a clear path to
space for most of the time. Fog, cloud, ice-crystals etc. will make the
temperature as seen by the antenna higher, and higher temperatures can mean
more noise, and attenuation will result in less signal, making the SNR
worse.

It is particularly important when we are dealing with weaker signals (such
as our EUTELSAT 10A) that the antenna can "see" as little as possible at
ground temperatures. The LNB should not "see" anything outside the dish,
but in practice it will, so behind the dish should not be "warm", nor should
anything in front of the dish. Imagine a cone starting with the diameter of
the dish, and diverging outwards slightly as it points towards the
satellite. Any trees? Leaves? Cut them down!

You might even be better with a slightly smaller dish if it can be better
located.

Cheers,
David
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Re: FY-2H and FY-2G

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I thought I was receiving these services - but I seldom have used them.


However, I see, Ferdinand having said, regarding the loss of IODC, that he can use these satellites, that I am not actually receiving data.
I've checked my EUMETCast account and FY is ticked and E1H-TPG-1 (presumably FY geo data?) is going into the 'combined streams' folder feeding my MDM MSG-4.

I'm getting GOMS 2 but no FY.

I've just updated my MDM to V.3.1.13.1306 2019-Jul-17 but still no FY data.

Er, ???

Regards,
John Tellick.
===============================

John,

IIRC, it should go to "EUMETSAT_Data_Channel 12" unless it has changed since early June.

Cheers,
David
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Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

FY-2H and FY-2G

geojohnt@...
 


I thought I was receiving these services  - but I seldom have used them.

However, I see, Ferdinand having said, regarding the loss of IODC, that he can use these satellites, that I am not actually receiving data.
I've checked my EUMETCast account and FY is ticked and E1H-TPG-1 (presumably FY geo data?) is going into the 'combined streams' folder feeding my MDM MSG-4.

I'm getting GOMS 2 but no FY.

I've just updated my MDM to V.3.1.13.1306 2019-Jul-17 but still no FY data.

Er, ???

Regards,
John Tellick.

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Christian Peters
 

John,

yes, definitely we have to wait for cooler weather!
There are also some trees which make me nervous but I think I have a couple of years before I will get a problem with them...! ;-)

Regards,

Christian

Am 25.07.19 um 15:22 schrieb geojohnt via Groups.Io:

Christian,

My days of 14.3 dB signal SNR with my 1 m dish ended middle of last year.
I'm not an expert but I think that the more data that is disseminated by TP 1 widens the transponder 'width' and thereby the transmitted power is then spread across a much wider bandwidth which reduces the 'received signal level.'
Compared to a previously much narrower transmitted bandwidth channel in the aerly days of HVS-1.

Mind you I'm getting more and more sure that I've got 'increasing fir tree girth' shadowing of my dish.
Trying a new location - difficult - will have to wait for cooler weather.

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 25/07/2019 12:09:52 GMT Standard Time, hctpeters@... writes:

I think it was worsened if they switch on TP-2.
But maybe it's time again to do a another tweaking of the antenna/LNB position.
I use two USB TBS 5925 running Linux, cable length is ~5m!

Re: MSG-IODC

Ferdinand Valk
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of Ian Deans via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, 25 July, 2019 15:28
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG-IODC
On 25/07/2019 16:10, Ferdinand Valk wrote:
I'm surprised to see no messages on the Group concerning the outage of
MSG-IODC. Eumetsat only announced a spacecraft anomaly but I could
find no further information.
Fortunately, having 2 Feng Yun satellites available, most services can
be derived from those, albeit not the precipitation. Has anyone a
suggestion to cover MPE for the IO region?

Cheers,
Ferdinand
====================================================

Ferdinand, there was an announcement this afternoon saying that the DCP-
service had been resumed this morning, but that was all.

There have been previous incidents with Met-8 where it has gone into safe
mode and if this is the reason I would expect the service to resume within
the next 36 hours or so.

Regards
Ian.
==============================================
Thanks Ian, that is helpful. If indeed over the next period service will be restored, there may not be a need for alternative precipitation data.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Re: MSG-IODC

Ian Deans
 

On 25/07/2019 16:10, Ferdinand Valk wrote:
I'm surprised to see no messages on the Group concerning the outage of
MSG-IODC. Eumetsat only announced a spacecraft anomaly but I could find no
further information.
Fortunately, having 2 Feng Yun satellites available, most services can be
derived from those, albeit not the precipitation. Has anyone a suggestion to
cover MPE for the IO region?
Cheers,
Ferdinand
====================================================

Ferdinand, there was an announcement this afternoon saying that the DCP-service had been resumed this morning, but that was all.

There have been previous incidents with Met-8 where it has gone into safe mode and if this is the reason I would expect the service to resume within the next 36 hours or so.

Regards
Ian.

MSG-IODC

Ferdinand Valk
 

I'm surprised to see no messages on the Group concerning the outage of
MSG-IODC. Eumetsat only announced a spacecraft anomaly but I could find no
further information.
Fortunately, having 2 Feng Yun satellites available, most services can be
derived from those, albeit not the precipitation. Has anyone a suggestion to
cover MPE for the IO region?

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

geojohnt@...
 

Oh David,

If only I could.

I tried killing the ever expanding neighbours fir tree with weed killer many years ago, but to no avail. 😄

Blimey, "It ain't 'alf hot Mum!"
Ambient temperature on the patio 36 degrees but with the dish and LNB cooking in the sun, SNR and Power are are at usual levels.

Had to put a fan on the SR1.

Regards,
John

In a message dated 24/07/2019 14:49:53 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

Any trees?  Leaves?  Cut them down!

Re: MPE MSG Animator

geojohnt@...
 

Ian,

Or the weatherandradar app for your mobile?
Appears to agree with netweather.tv at the moment.

Regards,
John.

In a message dated 24/07/2019 19:21:58 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

You would do better with Netweather,tv radar.

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

geojohnt@...
 

Christian,

My days of 14.3 dB signal SNR with my 1 m dish ended middle of last year.
I'm not an expert but I think that the more data that is disseminated by TP 1 widens the transponder 'width' and thereby the transmitted power is then spread across a much wider bandwidth which reduces the 'received signal level.'
Compared to a previously much narrower transmitted bandwidth channel in the aerly days of HVS-1.

Mind you I'm getting more and more sure that I've got 'increasing fir tree girth' shadowing of my dish.
Trying a new location - difficult - will have to wait for cooler weather.

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++++++++++


In a message dated 25/07/2019 12:09:52 GMT Standard Time, hctpeters@... writes:

I think it was worsened if they switch on TP-2.
But maybe it's time again to do a another tweaking of the antenna/LNB position.
I use two USB TBS 5925 running Linux, cable length is ~5m!

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Christian Peters
 

John,

I think it was worsened if they switch on TP-2.
But maybe it's time again to do a another tweaking of the antenna/LNB position.
I use two USB TBS 5925 running Linux, cable length is ~5m!

Regards,

Christian

Am 25.07.19 um 12:28 schrieb geojohnt via Groups.Io:

Christian,

Just to say that you also should be getting more SNR on TP-1 with a Gibertini 1 m dish and an Inverto Black Ultra LNB.

What receiver are you using?
And how long is your cable run?

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++++

In a message dated 24/07/2019 17:58:53 GMT Standard Time, hctpeters@... writes:

I run a OP100 Gibertini with an Inverto Black and get around 12dB on Transponder 1 and 11.5dB on Transponder 2.
Located in the middle of Germany (near Frankfurt). Got receive all sats (Him8, GOES16/17,MSG-x, Metop-x, NOAA) but the headroom is small concerning rain...! ;-/
An OP125 should give a minimum of 13dB on T1 I think!

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

geojohnt@...
 

Christian,

Just to say that you also should be getting more SNR on TP-1 with a Gibertini 1 m dish and an Inverto Black Ultra LNB.

What receiver are you using?
And how long is your cable run?

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++++

In a message dated 24/07/2019 17:58:53 GMT Standard Time, hctpeters@... writes:

I run a OP100 Gibertini with an Inverto Black and get around 12dB on Transponder 1 and 11.5dB on Transponder 2.
Located in the middle of Germany (near Frankfurt). Got receive all sats (Him8, GOES16/17,MSG-x, Metop-x, NOAA) but the headroom is small concerning rain...! ;-/
An OP125 should give a minimum of 13dB on T1 I think!

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

geojohnt@...
 

Roland,

Right, now we are getting somewhere.

As your 1.25 m Gibertini dish (best dish available) is on you balcony - what is in front of it?
I presume you have a 'wall' or railings, a barrier possibly glass or metal or bricks, to stop people falling off the balcony.
Is the bottom of the dish above any barrier and how far away from any barrier is the dish?

A photo/photos of the dish, balcony and view towards the satellite would be most useful.

As you are getting such a good SNR on Eutelsat 9-B it could suggest (although 9-B's transmitted power is 3 dBW higher than Eutelsat 10 A) that you dish is aligned more towards this satellite.

You will see from the attached Eutealsat 10 A power contour map, you are right in the middle of the highest signal contour.

As you will have seen, many of us use Inverto Black Ultra LNB's.
They have a good (reliable) 'low' noise figure and this model - Ultra - has increased gain compared to other makes of LNB.

With my 1 m dish, an Inverto Black Ultra LNB and an SR1, with the dish aligned on Eutelsat 10 A, some channels on Eutelsat 9-B show the same SNR (measured on a different receiver) as EUMETCast TP 1 - the dish obviously being 1 degree mis-aligned for 9-B and its extra signal strength.

As you have much higher SNR on Eutelsat 9 B signals than from Eutelsat 10 A, suggests your dish is not aligned properly?

Regards,
John.


Regards,
John.

In a message dated 24/07/2019 14:08:59 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:

My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.

Re: suitable LNB for Eutelsat 10A Eumetcast reception

Herman Vijlbrief
 

Roland,

Last year I updated my 85 cm dish to an 125 cm Wavefield dish mounted at 2.5 m height to get better HVS-1 reception.
The Inverto Black Ultra LNB is connected with my Ayecka by an 35 meter long cable.
My SNR is between 14.6 and 15.0 dB.
The 85 cm dish had about 11.5 dB SNR.
My location is 16 km south west of Amsterdam.

I compared my LNB with a Smart Titanium Universal LNB which had a bit lower SNR of about 14.3 dB max on the 125 cm Wavefield dish.

Roland I hope you can improve your SNR.

Greetings Herman



Op 24-7-2019 om 15:08 schreef fly.fechter@...:

Hello,
My 125cm Gibertini dish is located near Erlangen, Germany, i.e. Northern Bavaria.
It is on my balcony.
The signal I get from Eutelsat 9A is quite strong in the 15dB region whereas with Eutelsat 10A I am struggling to get set in the 11db region.
I have already spent many hours using various LNBs in order to push the Eumetcast signal strength to at least 13db which I think
is considered necessary as a minimum.
 HVS-1 reception at around 11dB does happen with the Goes 17 ABI manager  Himawari reception is not possible.
As some of you have told me that with my 1.25m dish a 13dB signal strength should be easily obtainable I wonder
to which locations this applies. Probably those  happy users are way North of me, UK, Scandinavia etc.
It would be helpful for my final efforts to know which LNB brands they use together with their 1m and 1.25m dishes
as well as their exact locations.
Perhaps there is a "THE"   LNB on the market likely to satisfy also my needs.
I look forward to your news.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland 

     

Re: MPE MSG Animator

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I always found that the MPE data did not always appear to be accurate
and the SAF data now replacing it also does not appear accurate.

For example this afternoon the SAF precipitation data shows a band of
rain moving west to east, lying over eastern Scotland at approx. 15.00
UTC. There has not been any rain this afternoon moving west/east. It is
not showing on UK weather radar and it has been and is completely dry
here in the east of Scotland.

You would do better with Netweather,tv radar.

Regards
Ian.
==============================

Ian,

I'm concerned if the error is due to my display of the data - location - I did a brief check and it looked OK but I didn't check in detail. It may also be that there are quality flags in the data which a more complicated program than mine might handle appropriately. I think you can download EUMETSAT's images of the data, so it would be interesting know that also has the unexpected areas.

Cheers,
David
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