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Re: Solar outage

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Wish you hadn't said that !!! Major sector loss 12.30 and 12.45 UTC
although up to then weekend had been excellent.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Solar outage



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Solar outage
Last 2 days have been excellent. Nothing lost of the channels I take and
the times I receive. Fantastic animations.

Regards
Douglas.


MSG-1 Dish alignment and wind (Was solar outage)

a_van_belle
 

David wrote:
Interestingly, during wind and rain, when I have missed segments,
the indicators have not dropped anything like that low, suggesting
perhaps that the indicators average over too long a period to show
problems, and that momentary drops due to wind (moving the dish) may
be quite important.

My findings:
The Signal Quality readout is a 1-second average value that does not detect
short signal drops.
As the name implies it does not show signal level but the quality of the
received signal !
When I put an additional line-amplifier in, the readout remains the same
and during a solar outage the readout dropped where as my Satellite signal
meter showed and increase.

I did some calculations based on receiving Hotbird with an 88 cm dish.
This dish has a "half power" beam-width of only 2 degrees at 11096 MHz. So
if the dish moves in windy conditions, a deflection of 1 degree left and 1
degree right (same applies for up and down movement) could already cause a
loss of half of the signal (-3dB)

When the left rim is pushed back 7mm (and the right rim comes forward 7mm)
you have a 1degree misalignment!
If your mounting brackets are not that stiff (like the one from Robert
Moore) they could bend too much in the wind.
As Robert discovered the dish will start to oscillate and the signal drops
and rises too fast to be detected on the Signal Quality readout.
I have not tried this but I guess you can detect the signal drops using a
Satellite signal meter because this does not average.

But now an interesting case: Suppose the dish is already 0.5 degree
misaligned, normally this will only give a small signal reduction but now
you only have an allowable deflection of 3.5 mm in one direction ! That
really requires a very stiff dish mounting !

I welded a wall mounting myself because I was not satisfied with the
commercially available mounts, they are too long and the bolts fixing the
mounting to the wall are placed very close to each other.
I placed the dish as close to the wall as possible to keep the mount as
short as possible.
Take a look at the file I uploaded to the Files area.
80cmMSGdish.jpg (288 kb)

So if you suffer from missing segments at high winds, watch for movement of
the dish..
Don't mount the dish on a high or unprotected spot if there is no need.
Have the dish re-aligned with a Satellite signal meter because
wind-movement will aggravate any error.
If necessary add additional bracing(s) to a fixed point to prevent the dish
from oscillating in high winds.

Compared to receiving Meteosat 7 on 1691 MHz we need a more accurate
alignment and a stiffer mount.
There is not much difference between receiving digital TV satellites and
MSG over DVB, but every short "freeze" on a TV satellite set will result in
a lost segment on MSG !

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: [rig-l] MSG encryption latest 12-10-03.

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <johnrigsec@aol.com>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>; <rig-l@yahoogroups.com>;
<WXSAT-L@huey.met.fsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:40 PM
Subject: [rig-l] MSG encryption latest 12-10-03.


All,

I had a chat with EUMETSAT during the week and the situation regarding
encryption
now appears to be more definite.

Current plan is that December 2nd will be encryption test day and there
will
be several hours of encryption.
Some users have already been supplied with the EKU - EUMETCast Key Unit -
and
will be feeding back results.
Others will receive nothing - so be pre-warned.

Full encryption is now planned for March 2004.

The 'key' will be supplied by EUMETSAT with the supporting software for
40 Euro.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG.
Thanks for the latest news John. Just one question springs to mind.
Presumably those of us on the trial will be approached to purchase the
EumetCast Key Unit assuming of course we have indicated on our registration
that we propose to take data (and get our necessary licence) after the
trial. Or do we need to write and ask for it.
I also wonder if encryption in March is a pre-cursor to MSG becoming the
operational sat. also being put back to March. Not that it matters as long
as we continue to receive this marvellous stream of data.

Thanks again.
Douglas.


Re: Solar outage

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Solar outage


My worst day was today at 10:47 UTC. At the peak, the reported
quality was 29% (yellow), SNR ~4.8dB, BER ~6E-3. However, I seem
not to loose any segments (probably just luck, as it was just past
the 15-minute point, where Eumetcast goes silent for about a minute.

Interestingly, during wind and rain, when I have missed segments,
the indicators have not dropped anything like that low, suggesting
perhaps that the indicators average over too long a period to show
problems, and that momentary drops due to wind (moving the dish) may
be quite important.

Open for discussion....

Cheers,
David
Yes and following my own experience of accidentally exiting the DVB program
and reloading (without closing Tellique), followed by a 10% + segment loss,
it makes me wonder if a complete loss of signal, however momentary, will
behave the same as exiting the program and re-loading. That would then
give a large segment loss. Apart from the log file there is no way of
knowing because the programs both give an outward appearance of working
normally.
I now leave well alone.
Last 2 days have been excellent. Nothing lost of the channels I take and
the times I receive. Fantastic animations.

Regards
Douglas.


Solar outage

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

My worst day was today at 10:47 UTC. At the peak, the reported
quality was 29% (yellow), SNR ~4.8dB, BER ~6E-3. However, I seem
not to loose any segments (probably just luck, as it was just past
the 15-minute point, where Eumetcast goes silent for about a minute.

Interestingly, during wind and rain, when I have missed segments,
the indicators have not dropped anything like that low, suggesting
perhaps that the indicators average over too long a period to show
problems, and that momentary drops due to wind (moving the dish) may
be quite important.

Open for discussion....

Cheers,
David


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Luca Bertagnolio <lucaberta@...>
 

Robert,

sweet music to my ears! I happen to be the Product Manager in Europe
for that product... ;-)

BTW, Cisco uses a full Zone Alarm firewall in the VPN Client, with
default policies that can only be changed by the VPN Concentrator
administrator, not by the user. Most of the times the default
policies will be plenty enough though, like in your case.

Bye, Luca

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, Robert Moore <rsmoore@l...> wrote:
I am currently running Cisco's VP Client software which
automatically provides a
firewall even when you are not using it as a client. It solved all
my
problems.


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Robert Moore
 

Just a word of warning, though. I think you need to be very familiar with
networking, IP addresses ports etc to get a firewall working effectively. I
found Zone Alarm very hard to use and the help files unhelpful. I persisted for
a while but eventually had to give up when all traffic on my network was being
fatally disrupted.
I am currently running Cisco's VP Client software which automatically provides a
firewall even when you are not using it as a client. It solved all my
problems.

Robert


Quoting Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@computer.org>:

Ferdinand and Luca
Use Zone Alarm - you can easily configure it to allow the Tellique data
to pass.

Good luck! - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "fvalk" <fvalk@fvalk.com>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Beware of personal firewalls!


I had the same conclusion several months ago with McAfee firewall on my
network. None of the program's authorization or other settings could help.
Only "Stop Firewall" gave freedom to the IP traffic towards Tellique.
Thus far I was unable to circumvent this unwanted behaviour and so I
decided to
live with it.

Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active and
Tellique to
work?

Ferdinand

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Luca Bertagnolio" <lucaberta@yahoo.com>
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:14:32 -0000
Subject: [MSG-1] Beware of personal firewalls!

Just received news of a successful install of Tellique 2.3.1 which
was stuck for no apparent reason.

Turns out the personal firewall software was getting in the way, and
was stopping the IP packet flow out of the DVB card virtual Ethernet
driver toward Tellique.

The moment the personal firewall was switched off, data started to
flow in the received directory...

Bye, Luca


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Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Sorry - I spotted a typo. Channel 3 IP address is 224.223.222.23
Roger

|

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Roger Mawhinney [mailto:roger@mawhinney.uk.com]
|Sent: 12 October 2003 10:50
|To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
|
|Luca,
|I use a hardware firewall but a few quick tests and the
|following Windows XP firewall settings seem to work for me.
|
|1. Right click the Technisat DVB net card and select
|Properties 2. Select Advanced 3. Check Internet Connection
|Firewall, select Settings 4. Under services add and Check
|three new services: -
| a. Eumetsat Announcement Channel - set IP address =
|224.223.222.223, External Port = 4711, select UDP, Internal Port = 4711
| b. Eumetsat Data Channel 2; 224.223.222.21, 2512, UDP, 2512
| c. Eumetsat Data Channel 3; 224.223.222.21, 2612, UDP, 2612
|
|Any feedback would be useful - if it works, it could be added
|to a general FAQ Roger
|
||
||-----Original Message-----
||From: Luca Bertagnolio [mailto:lucaberta@yahoo.com]
||Sent: 12 October 2003 09:13
||To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
||
||Thanks all for sharing your experiences on the use of personal
||firewalls with Tellique and the DVB cards.
||
||Does anyone have any specific experience with the Windows XP embedded
||personal firewall?
||
||My notice was a heads up since I very seldom read references to this
||possible issue when people complain about not being able to receive
||data.
||
||Bye, Luca
||
||--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
||wrote:
||> > Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active
||> and Tellique to
||> > work?
||> >
||> > Ferdinand
||>
||> I have Zone Alarm V2.6.362 on my Receiver PC, configured to allow:
||>
||> Server4PC.exe, local and Internet access, allow server
||>
||> tqrecv.exe, local and Internet access, allow server
||>
||> Seems to be OK.
||>
||> Cheers,
||> David
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Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Luca,
I use a hardware firewall but a few quick tests and the following Windows XP
firewall settings seem to work for me.

1. Right click the Technisat DVB net card and select Properties
2. Select Advanced
3. Check Internet Connection Firewall, select Settings
4. Under services add and Check three new services: -
a. Eumetsat Announcement Channel - set IP address = 224.223.222.223,
External Port = 4711, select UDP, Internal Port = 4711
b. Eumetsat Data Channel 2; 224.223.222.21, 2512, UDP, 2512
c. Eumetsat Data Channel 3; 224.223.222.21, 2612, UDP, 2612

Any feedback would be useful - if it works, it could be added to a general
FAQ
Roger

|

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Luca Bertagnolio [mailto:lucaberta@yahoo.com]
|Sent: 12 October 2003 09:13
|To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
|
|Thanks all for sharing your experiences on the use of personal
|firewalls with Tellique and the DVB cards.
|
|Does anyone have any specific experience with the Windows XP
|embedded personal firewall?
|
|My notice was a heads up since I very seldom read references
|to this possible issue when people complain about not being
|able to receive data.
|
|Bye, Luca
|
|--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
|wrote:
|> > Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active
|> and Tellique to
|> > work?
|> >
|> > Ferdinand
|>
|> I have Zone Alarm V2.6.362 on my Receiver PC, configured to allow:
|>
|> Server4PC.exe, local and Internet access, allow server
|>
|> tqrecv.exe, local and Internet access, allow server
|>
|> Seems to be OK.
|>
|> Cheers,
|> David
|
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Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

fvalk <fvalk@...>
 

Thanks to all for the different suggestions. Having gone already several times
through McAfee allowed activities to no avail, I uninstalled its FireWall (not
virus protection) and installed Zone Alarm with the relevant permissions.

Works like a dream and Tellique is buzzing like a swarm of bees with the
Firewall up.

Cheers,

Ferdinand


Re: Help for MSG1 software configuration !!!

f5hcc <f5hcc@...>
 

Hello Roger !
Yes, I double-checked that, everything is OK.
Cheers.
Fabrice.


--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Mawhinney" <roger@m...> wrote:
Fabice, Have you checked that the Technisat Setup4PC - Data
Services - PID
List contains the PIDs (decimal) 100,300,301,500 for the 11096 MHz
transponder?
Roger


MSG encryption latest 12-10-03.

johnrigsec@...
 

All,

I had a chat with EUMETSAT during the week and the situation regarding
encryption
now appears to be more definite.

Current plan is that December 2nd will be encryption test day and there will
be several hours of encryption.
Some users have already been supplied with the EKU - EUMETCast Key Unit - and
will be feeding back results.
Others will receive nothing - so be pre-warned.

Full encryption is now planned for March 2004.

The 'key' will be supplied by EUMETSAT with the supporting software for
40 Euro.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG.


Re: Help for MSG1 software configuration !!!

Paul Telco <paul@...>
 

Fabrice,

I had a similar (but not identical) problem when installing Tellique under
Win98. It sound's like the advice from Luca about changing user_key_crypt to
user_key and entering the unencoded password has the same effect as my
workaround but here is a section from my notes posted to this group on
03.10.03

I receive an error message at the end of installation ' Unable to write to
D:&#92;progra~1&#92;T-Syst~1&#92;Busine~1&#92;userkey.ini' Click Ok and installation exits.
go to the Subdirectory containing userkey.ini and copy the user_key_crypt
value. Open recv.ini enter your username as supplied by Eumetsat and paste
in the user_key_crypt value from userkey.ini.

Let us know how you finally make it work,

Paul


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Luca Bertagnolio <lucaberta@...>
 

Thanks all for sharing your experiences on the use of personal
firewalls with Tellique and the DVB cards.

Does anyone have any specific experience with the Windows XP embedded
personal firewall?

My notice was a heads up since I very seldom read references to this
possible issue when people complain about not being able to receive
data.

Bye, Luca

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote:
Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active
and Tellique to
work?

Ferdinand
I have Zone Alarm V2.6.362 on my Receiver PC, configured to allow:

Server4PC.exe, local and Internet access, allow server

tqrecv.exe, local and Internet access, allow server

Seems to be OK.

Cheers,
David


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active
and Tellique to
work?

Ferdinand
I have Zone Alarm V2.6.362 on my Receiver PC, configured to allow:

Server4PC.exe, local and Internet access, allow server

tqrecv.exe, local and Internet access, allow server

Seems to be OK.

Cheers,
David


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Trevor Davies <g0jix@...>
 

Hi,

Tellique and MsgDataManager working concurrently and without any problems,Norton Personal Firewal is enabled.

73 de Trevor G0JIX
All mail scanned with Norton.


Re: Spam Alert: Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Steve Blackmore <steve@...>
 

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:36:13 -0500, you wrote:

I had the same conclusion several months ago with McAfee firewall on my
network. None of the program's authorization or other settings could help.
Only "Stop Firewall" gave freedom to the IP traffic towards Tellique.
Thus far I was unable to circumvent this unwanted behaviour and so I decided to
live with it.

Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active and Tellique to
work?

Can't specifically say with McAffe, but you need to allow the DVB card
IP address to pass. On some firewalls you will have to allow setup4pc,
tqrecv & MSG manager too.

--
Steve Blackmore


Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

Ferdinand and Luca
Use Zone Alarm - you can easily configure it to allow the Tellique data
to pass.

Good luck! - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "fvalk" <fvalk@fvalk.com>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Beware of personal firewalls!


I had the same conclusion several months ago with McAfee firewall on my
network. None of the program's authorization or other settings could help.
Only "Stop Firewall" gave freedom to the IP traffic towards Tellique.
Thus far I was unable to circumvent this unwanted behaviour and so I
decided to
live with it.

Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active and
Tellique to
work?

Ferdinand

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Luca Bertagnolio" <lucaberta@yahoo.com>
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:14:32 -0000
Subject: [MSG-1] Beware of personal firewalls!

Just received news of a successful install of Tellique 2.3.1 which
was stuck for no apparent reason.

Turns out the personal firewall software was getting in the way, and
was stopping the IP packet flow out of the DVB card virtual Ethernet
driver toward Tellique.

The moment the personal firewall was switched off, data started to
flow in the received directory...

Bye, Luca


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Re: Beware of personal firewalls!

fvalk <fvalk@...>
 

I had the same conclusion several months ago with McAfee firewall on my
network. None of the program's authorization or other settings could help.
Only "Stop Firewall" gave freedom to the IP traffic towards Tellique.
Thus far I was unable to circumvent this unwanted behaviour and so I decided to
live with it.

Anyone a brilliant suggestion that allows firewall to be active and Tellique to
work?

Ferdinand

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Luca Bertagnolio" <lucaberta@yahoo.com>
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:14:32 -0000
Subject: [MSG-1] Beware of personal firewalls!

Just received news of a successful install of Tellique 2.3.1 which
was stuck for no apparent reason.

Turns out the personal firewall software was getting in the way, and
was stopping the IP packet flow out of the DVB card virtual Ethernet
driver toward Tellique.

The moment the personal firewall was switched off, data started to
flow in the received directory...

Bye, Luca


Beware of personal firewalls!

Luca Bertagnolio <lucaberta@...>
 

Just received news of a successful install of Tellique 2.3.1 which
was stuck for no apparent reason.

Turns out the personal firewall software was getting in the way, and
was stopping the IP packet flow out of the DVB card virtual Ethernet
driver toward Tellique.

The moment the personal firewall was switched off, data started to
flow in the received directory...

Bye, Luca