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Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Sorry, sent survey to the wrong place

Guy

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Re: MSG users equipment survey.

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Hello John,

Attached is a brief spec for my receive system and comments.

Regards, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: johnrigsec@aol.com
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com ; rig-l@yahoogroups.com. ; WXSAT-L@huey.met.fsu.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:58 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG users equipment survey.


All,

We are just over halfway in the planned trial period for MSG dissemination
via
EUMETCast over Hot Bird 6.
The C-Band trial period of EUMETCast is about to begin, though I suspect this
might be shorter owing to the experiences gained during the Ku-Band trials.

At the same time of course MSG-1 itself is undergoing commissioning as is the
MSG Ground Segment for this new all digital satellite.
Owing to the problem with one of MSG-1's SSPA's and the doubt over the
viability
of the remaining SSPA's EUMETSAT have had to adopt a brand new (for weather
satellites - and a pointer to the future(?)) mode of dissemination - DVB.

Quite a few of you are taking part in the EUMETCast trials and I know
EUMETSAT
are very grateful for the technical feedback you are providing.

A good example - if I may say so - where amateurs can be of assistance to the

professionals.

Coming up are a couple of new services added to the data stream which I
believe
we will not have access to and of course encryption will gradually be tested
from
around the end of September.

Reading rig-l and MSG-1 newsgroups and talking to several users at last
weekends
de Kunstmaan meeting in Holland [which was brilliant] it appears users are
'using'
computers of 'all shapes and sizes.'

I believe it would therefore be interesting and useful to get some feedback
as to
what you are using to receive Ku-Band EUMETCast.
Such as:

Dish size. [LNB's are all pretty much the same these days so not important.]
Card/USB Box - make and version.
Computer - CPU, Intel/Athlon - speed.
RAM.
HD capacity.
Graphics card - on board memory.

Two computer set up and its make-up?

And, very briefly, a list of any problems encountered.

Oh, and are you a RIG member?

If you would be good enough to spare a bit of time to forward this
information to me
please send it direct to me - johnrigsec@aol.com and not post it to and clog
up the
newsgroups, I would be very grateful.

I will generate a document listing, I suspect, the diverse specs. of
equipment in use.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG secretary.



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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Martin" <agm@t...> wrote:
I didn't think that 'End Users' or whatever group we are in (
there was lots of discussion) had access to MDD, only proffessional
users ?

You are right - but some people did get the files, and therefore
might like to view the contents.

Cheers,
David
Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

I didn't think that 'End Users' or whatever group we are in ( there was lots of discussion) had access to MDD, only proffessional users ?

Cheers, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:04 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program


> David, What are GTS files?

As I already said, ones with MDD messages! World met data in text
and graphical format for national Met Office consumption. Sorry,
but I can't quickly find a good Internet reference for you.

Check in your Tellique log files for the string GTS to see if you
are getting the data.

Cheers,
David


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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David, What are GTS files?
As I already said, ones with MDD messages! World met data in text
and graphical format for national Met Office consumption. Sorry,
but I can't quickly find a good Internet reference for you.

Check in your Tellique log files for the string GTS to see if you
are getting the data.

Cheers,
David
Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program

Mohsin Meghji
 

David, What are GTS files?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 19 September 2003 10:06
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MSG-1] MDD Reader - new experimental program

For those of you who are getting the GTS files from MSG-1, there is
a new experimental program to read either a single GTS file or an
entire folder full and extract the multiple MDD messages contained
therein. You can download the program from the Download section of
the MSG Data Manager page:

http://www.satsignal.net => Satellite Tools, MSG Data Manager

If you are not receiving GTS files there is no point in looking at
this software. If you _are_ getting GTS files, I do have an update
to the MSG Data Manager which will move these files from the
Receiver PC to the Processing PC.

Cheers,
David




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Re: PCI  card overheating question

Thomas Findlay <tom@...>
 

Hello Paul, David ...

I noticed your exchange and would like to add something that could be
relevant and would also apply to the previous exchanges on system
unreliability.

In the past, I have suffered from introducing excess static charges
within PCs through the use of non-grounded (not specifically designed
for PC type) fans. When it happened first time I was pretty puzzled as
the fault turned out to be a zapped DIMM in what had been for a very
long time previous to that, a rock-steady system. I'm just cautioning
on the potential over-use of unconventional cooling methods, which in
combination with other bad habits that we sometimes adopt like leaving
the covers off, can work against us in unexpected ways.

Regards ... Tom.

******************************************************************
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37 Adamton Road North, Prestwick, Scotland, KA9 2HY
Tel: +44 1292 671807 Fax: +44 1292 677840
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 19 September 2003 11:04
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: PCI  card overheating question


At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it all
started working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of
other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3
days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about
the same time.

So the question I have is this: were the problems all related to
overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure.
Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by
Eumetsat earlier?

My system is now working with almost complete reliability. Maybe
because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having
overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice
this pattern of events?

I have not installed any updates to software .

Apologies if this is too far fetched or off topic,
Paul,

As it is to do with receiving MSG-1 data, it's not off-topic.

I had a lot of missing segments from about 0600 UTC on Sep 14 (Sun)
to about 1200 on Sep 16 (Tue) which I can't really explain by signal
strength or computer issues, which only leaves the dissemination.
No computer crashes, though. I, too, have the original software. I
am just left with a nagging doubt, as few other people seem to have
had exactly the same high-loss period as myself.

Cheers,
David



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Re: PCI  card overheating question

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it all
started working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of
other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3
days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about
the same time.

So the question I have is this: were the problems all related to
overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure.
Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by
Eumetsat earlier?

My system is now working with almost complete reliability. Maybe
because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having
overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice
this pattern of events?

I have not installed any updates to software .

Apologies if this is too far fetched or off topic,
Paul,

As it is to do with receiving MSG-1 data, it's not off-topic.

I had a lot of missing segments from about 0600 UTC on Sep 14 (Sun)
to about 1200 on Sep 16 (Tue) which I can't really explain by signal
strength or computer issues, which only leaves the dissemination.
No computer crashes, though. I, too, have the original software. I
am just left with a nagging doubt, as few other people seem to have
had exactly the same high-loss period as myself.

Cheers,
David
PCI  card overheating question

Paul Telco <paul@...>
 

Hello all,

Last week my MSG receiver PC died. I assumed that it was due to the Technisat PCI card overheating and switched off. On Sunday morning I fitted an extra five fans to the PC, two directly alongside the PCI card and three to draw cold air through the front of the case.

The PC was still crashing so I reinstalled Win 98 (I don't want to run XP on this machine and It had worked faultlessly before last week). Still Crashes.

At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it all started working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3 days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about the same time.

So the question I have is this: were the problems all related to overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure. Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by Eumetsat earlier?

My system is now working with almost complete reliability. Maybe because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice this pattern of events?

I have not installed any updates to software .

Apologies if this is too far fetched or off topic,

Paul
MDD Reader - new experimental program

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

For those of you who are getting the GTS files from MSG-1, there is
a new experimental program to read either a single GTS file or an
entire folder full and extract the multiple MDD messages contained
therein. You can download the program from the Download section of
the MSG Data Manager page:

http://www.satsignal.net => Satellite Tools, MSG Data Manager

If you are not receiving GTS files there is no point in looking at
this software. If you _are_ getting GTS files, I do have an update
to the MSG Data Manager which will move these files from the
Receiver PC to the Processing PC.

Cheers,
David
Re: MSG data outage

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Data flow restored around 06:00 UTC.
MSG data outage

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I stopped receiving MSG-1 data at 04:54 UTC this morning, but ATOVS
data is still flowing. GTS messages also stopped after 04:52 UTC.
No Foreign Satellite Data since 0900 UTC yesterday (annoying as
Isabel would have been interesting to observe as it made landfall).

David
Re: FSD ingest

James Brown <james@...>
 

In message <20030918175634.M6214@fvalk.com>, fvalk <fvalk@fvalk.com> writes
Here also all foriegn data is missing as from 9:00 UTC.

Goes East did send out the 9 and 12 o'clock images. So it is really a
dissemination issue.

Ferdinand
Thanks for the confirmation from yourself and other group members.

I can receive GOES 12 APT here in the UK - and I can see the 'eye' right on the coast - a pity the digital images are not available at this time.

James
--
James Brown
Re: FSD ingest

fvalk <fvalk@...>
 

Here also all foriegn data is missing as from 9:00 UTC.

Goes East did send out the 9 and 12 o'clock images. So it is really a
dissemination issue.

Ferdinand

---------- Original Message -----------
From: James Brown <james@meteosat.freeserve.co.uk>
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:26:22 +0100
Subject: [MSG-1] FSD ingest

Has anyone else got missing FSD after half way through the 9 am
slots? I have been out all day and the computer has processed and
animated HRIT data OK. Just wondering if it is my end, or whether
Isabel is to blame?

Cheers,

James
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Re: FSD ingest

David Pykett
 

Its not your end James, I haven't received any either. I was hoping for
the latest ones from Goes E to see the progress of hurricane Isabel.

Regards

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: James Brown [mailto:james@meteosat.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: 18 September 2003 18:26
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MSG-1] FSD ingest

Has anyone else got missing FSD after half way through the 9 am slots? I

have been out all day and the computer has processed and animated HRIT
data OK. Just wondering if it is my end, or whether Isabel is to blame?

Cheers,

James
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FSD ingest

James Brown <james@...>
 

Has anyone else got missing FSD after half way through the 9 am slots? I have been out all day and the computer has processed and animated HRIT data OK. Just wondering if it is my end, or whether Isabel is to blame?

Cheers,

James
--
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MSG users equipment survey.

johnrigsec@...
 

All,

We are just over halfway in the planned trial period for MSG dissemination
via
EUMETCast over Hot Bird 6.
The C-Band trial period of EUMETCast is about to begin, though I suspect this
might be shorter owing to the experiences gained during the Ku-Band trials.

At the same time of course MSG-1 itself is undergoing commissioning as is the
MSG Ground Segment for this new all digital satellite.
Owing to the problem with one of MSG-1's SSPA's and the doubt over the
viability
of the remaining SSPA's EUMETSAT have had to adopt a brand new (for weather
satellites - and a pointer to the future(?)) mode of dissemination - DVB.

Quite a few of you are taking part in the EUMETCast trials and I know
EUMETSAT
are very grateful for the technical feedback you are providing.

A good example - if I may say so - where amateurs can be of assistance to the

professionals.

Coming up are a couple of new services added to the data stream which I
believe
we will not have access to and of course encryption will gradually be tested
from
around the end of September.

Reading rig-l and MSG-1 newsgroups and talking to several users at last
weekends
de Kunstmaan meeting in Holland [which was brilliant] it appears users are
'using'
computers of 'all shapes and sizes.'

I believe it would therefore be interesting and useful to get some feedback
as to
what you are using to receive Ku-Band EUMETCast.
Such as:

Dish size. [LNB's are all pretty much the same these days so not important.]
Card/USB Box - make and version.
Computer - CPU, Intel/Athlon - speed.
RAM.
HD capacity.
Graphics card - on board memory.

Two computer set up and its make-up?

And, very briefly, a list of any problems encountered.

Oh, and are you a RIG member?

If you would be good enough to spare a bit of time to forward this
information to me
please send it direct to me - johnrigsec@aol.com and not post it to and clog
up the
newsgroups, I would be very grateful.

I will generate a document listing, I suspect, the diverse specs. of
equipment in use.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG secretary.
Re: [rig-l] Re: Skystar 2 V. 4.2.8 problems.

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 17-09-03 07:32:07 GMT Daylight Time,
Information@Time-step.com writes:

John

As the major importer of the SkyStar card into the UK, this is what I have
been saying all along !!!!

Dave
Dave,

Sorry, I somehow appear not to have seen this useful advice from you over the
past
couple of weeks.

Or?

John.
Re: Problems with SkyStar card

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 16-09-03 10:10:06 GMT Daylight Time,
Information@Time-step.com writes:

OK understood. I know people have problems, but I and some others haven't.
As the major distributor of the cards I did not recommend the so called
"upgrade" !
Dave,

I believe you did, posting an e-mail on 03-09-03 which read -

http://www.technisat.com/en/service/download.php
and http://www.t-data.lu/ are more accurate links.  The USB version is
particularly worthwhile.
Dave.



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Re: Data Loss

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

FSD is coming through at the moment so it must be an MSG-1 issue.

Douglas.
Data now flowing - at least HRIT is...and now LRIT MSG-1 as well.

David
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