Re: FSD on MSG-1
fvalk <fvalk@...>
Unfortunately I cannot blame you for it. If I could it would have been repaired
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already minutes after notification. Same here... Chhers, Ferdinand
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:42:12 -0000 Subject: [MSG-1] FSD on MSG-1 Has someone switched off the Foreign Satellite Data again, or is it------- End of Original Message -------
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Re: FSD on MSG-1
James Brown <james@...>
In message <bkpt54+n3hq@eGroups.com>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
Has someone switched off the Foreign Satellite Data again, or is itNothing this afternoon here either David James -- James Brown
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FSD on MSG-1
Has someone switched off the Foreign Satellite Data again, or is it
just me? Cheers, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
While John is busy collating the inputs from those who haveparticipated in the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest to question some of the basic assumptions. The main one of these is that one needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one for the decoding. One advantage of the two PC setup that no-one has yet mentioned is that while you are out of the house, you only need leave the dedicated receiver PC on, not your main PC. You can make that PC remote, and even have a wireless LAN link to it! The Receiver PC probably doesn't need as many anti-virus or OS updates as your "normal" PC, so can have a longer up time. One PC works, but it will not have the flexibility, performance or stability of the two-PC system. Nothing to stop you starting small and expanding as you can. You pays your money, and you takes your choice, as they say! Cheers, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
http://www.satsignal.net => Software, Beta Versions When I download from the beta page although it says beta 214, I amgetting the full (1.8Mb) version. Oops, now fixed. You may need a Ctrl-F5 refresh on the Web page. David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1 When I download from the beta page although it says beta 214, I am gettingBy the way: Did anybody noticed something unusual when processingtodays 15:15 HRIT scan ? the full (1.8Mb) 210 version. Douglas.
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
Arne,
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Thank you for this useful factual evidence. I do not have any results with Animation running, so you have indicated an important load there. I feel that using GSS or other software in addition to the processing load is something that one would not expect the processing computer to do, I would use another machine for that, but I feel that it is important to find out whether or not a two-machine set up is essential for reception. I am now more than ever convinced that it is not! Best regards - Alan
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From: "a_van_belle" <a.van.belle@hccnet.nl> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1 I tested the single PC setup for a couple of days (and at our 13
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
a_van_belle
Thanks David for you very fast reply,
Was completely focussed on managing my MSG equipment and did see the thread on Satsignal too late ! Too many PC's running or to many Mailing-lists ?? Have downloaded the update and will restart processing within a minute ! Greetings, Arne van Belle
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
By the way: Did anybody noticed something unusual when processingtodays 15:15 HRIT scan ? Yes, there was an HRV segment which had been trucated when transmitted. The MSG Data Manager, despite being written with extensive exception handling, failed to pick up this bad data, and gave an I/O Error 103 message. There is an updated beta version of the program available from: http://www.satsignal.net => Software, Beta Versions Cheers, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
a_van_belle
I tested the single PC setup for a couple of days (and at our 13
september meeting at utrecht). It is possible to receive and process images simultaneously. But you need to monitor CPU load and memory usage at every step. Either select only a few channels in MDM or stock up your memory to 1024 Mb or more. Running Tellique and MDM (all channels on, HRIT and LRIT) is possible without missing segments on a 1.8 GHz P4 with 512 Mb. In addition I do browse the images simultaniously wit PSP. But running Geosatsignal and animation additionally is too heavy for the amount of memory and causes loss of missing segments, even on my intel P4 2.4 GHz with 1024 Mb DDR memory running Windows 2000 SP3. But a word of caution here; MSG Data stream is still being expanded (latest addition MDD data) and other "simple" tasks should be avoided on this PC. Once I tried to browse a folder with over 20.000 raw data files and had Windows explorer hanging for a couple of minutes and a lot of missing segments afterwards ! So house keeping a single PC that runs for 24 hours a day will be a challenge ! Greetings, Arne van Belle By the way: Did anybody noticed something unusual when processing todays 15:15 HRIT scan ?
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Re: MSGDatamanager -> Processing older data than today
at the moment i try to generate some quicklooks out of some oldermsg data (from some month ago) with your MSGDatamanager (which alsoprocesses quicklooks for each incoming pass)message: "Skipped - data is older than current data".than the actual / last processed?Maik, There is no quick way to disable this feature, which was enabled as a way of getting round the odd sequence order sometimes seen. I guess you could try starting the program _without_ doing the current processing, and then your older data will be the most recent data. Perhaps you could also use the Open, Scan command to do the processing manually. Cheers, David
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Re: MSGDatamanager -> Processing older data than today
Ulrich G. Kliegis <Ulrich.Kliegis@...>
On 7 Sep 2003 at 8:33, Maik Dobbermann wrote:
As i view the "logs"-tab in your program is see the followingLooking at your message's posting date and comparing that to my calendar, I see a discrepancy. Maybe my calendar is wrong, but maybe your system date is even more out of range, and maybe that could be a reason for your prob? Regards, U.
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Timestep <Information@...>
From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England e-mail Information@Time-step.com Web site http://www.Time-step.com Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366 Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498 I expect that if you want absolutely everything, and to take anything in the future, two computers "may" be needed. But for us mere mortals, that only need a few areas, and for me UK Visible; it has been proven over and over again you only need one computer. Regards Dave
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Guy Martin <agm@...>
I agree Alan,
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It depends what use you wish to make of the service, just grab a download to see what the weather is up to every few hours or constantly monitor, animate and archive the lot. Regards, Guy
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From: Alan Sewards To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 Guy, You have made my point - we don't *know* how much a second machine is really needed. We have lots of armwaving but few facts. As it makes a big difference when looked at in terms of thousands of users buying and maintaining equipment, it might be a good thing if we got it right ahead of time? (IMHO) Best regards - Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Martin" <agm@tonbridge-school.org> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote: Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015Folks, Many thanks for all the reports. It seems that we all saw the same misisng data (as reported by the MSG Data Manager), which may mean the data was missing or that there was file name the program did not understand. Actually checking through my Tellique logs, I see that I did not actually receive files for that period. I will pass this information to Eumetsat. No more reports required, thanks (unless you want to plough through the Tellique logs to confirm that you did or did not get the file.). Cheers, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
Guy,
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You have made my point - we don't *know* how much a second machine is really needed. We have lots of armwaving but few facts. As it makes a big difference when looked at in terms of thousands of users buying and maintaining equipment, it might be a good thing if we got it right ahead of time? (IMHO) Best regards - Alan
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From: "Guy Martin" <agm@tonbridge-school.org> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 I don't believe the Rx machine needs to be anything special, I use an AbitKT7 with a Duron 800 and its just cruising along consuming minimal resources. However when data arrives it does need to deal with it instantly and not be held up by MDM decompressing or saving, it needs a 'non maskable interrupt' in effect and MDM provides a tick box to do just this. I use a Gigabyte GA7VKML with an Athlon 1200 in the display machine and the processor goes to 100% when MDM is dealing with data and uses about 322/512 Mb of RAM. I really need a faster machine for this application although having said that it does work ok with no dropped segments. A serious spec machine may function well as a single unit and a lower grade machine could receive data and decompress/display alternately. It is always important to turn off services that you don't need and which consume resources as vanilla installs come with everything turned on. Regarding XP, I'm a Win2K man and not yet happy with XP when u! sed outside of MS products.in the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest toone needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one forthe decoding. Because I only had one, I had to make do with it for allthe dissemination trials. In fact, I did a test overnight where I stoppedthe MSG DM and then restarted it at 0500UTC, so it had about 12 hours ofthat is running flat out with the CPU utilization running around 80-100% on athere were no missing segments in either the period of stored data or in datacourse that it has sufficient power. I should note here that I only collectseven of the 12 HRIT channels, all the LRIT and FSD, so I do not have a fullload. I may try an experiment of collecting the full set and see if that makesany difference. My computer is nothing special, 1800 Athlon, with 512 MB.from the two-computer concept and sticking with a single one for MSG, and Ifeel pretty confident that it will work. Anyone else had similar thoughts?Should we do some serious tests to find out if two computers are reallynecessary?
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20? My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment reportsuggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17- One week back seems about right. It is certainly a very handy utility. No I am no longer processing LRIT although it is coming in as the PID also does the FSD data. My processing computer does a lot of other things during the day....internet.... MSG Animator....a lot of GSS 4 work and other bits and pieces so I only process what I need now. My 1024Mb of DDR ram still runs out sometimes ! Thanks Douglas.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment reportsuggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17- 24 were missing for the HRV channel for the 20.15 scan. Thanks, Douglas. I understand you don't take the LRIT? By the way, the missing segments report keeps one week of backlog data. Cheers, David
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20? --- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...> My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment report suggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17-24 were missing for the HRV channel for the 20.15 scan. Hope that helps Regards Douglas.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote: Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015One more thing, could you give your location (general area is enough) when writing, please? To repeat, negative reports are equally important! Thanks, David
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