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Re: BDADataEx

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I am presently considering changing my set-up from an SR1 and TBS 5925 to a TBS 5925 and TBS 5927.

Ordinarily it would make sense to use the TBS IP tool for one receiver and BDADataEx for the other, but the IP tool is not stable on my computer causing intermittent crashes. It would therefore be necessary to use two BDADataEx and I was wondering if this was possible and if someone could point me in the right direction to set this up.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Ian.
==========================

Ian,

I've added some notes to my Web site:

https://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/dvb-s2/T1-T2.html#two-usb

Any comments and corrections appreciated!

(Hope Douglas's e-mail is soon fixed.)

Cheers,
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Re: BDADataEx

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

From: CrazyCat

Select device first time and set checkbox "Default device"

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BDADataEx_devselect.PNG ==========================================

Of course! Amazing how one can miss or forget the obvious.....

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Weekly Report

Ian Deans
 

Douglas has asked me to report that there is likely to be a delay to his Weekly Report usually available Monday morning, due to mail issues that are presently unresolved.

Regards
Ian.


Re: BDADataEx

CrazyCat
 

Select device first time and set checkbox "Default device"


Re: New PC

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I think its more to do with compatability on speeds/spec as mine will be
4 yrs old since built.
Alan
============================

Yes, still worth checking, though.

I do wish I understood why two PCs without RAMdisks have fewer lost HVS-1/2 packets on average than one with big RAMdisks! And why Arne's losses are fewer than mine! At least, HVS-2 with its weaker signal is less important for both of us. The snag with a single receiver, though, is losing some BS data when the signal isn't quite good enough for HVS-1. At least with two receivers you can make one BS-only, and the other HVS-1-only.

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Re: New PC

Alan Banks <alanjamesbanks@...>
 

On 09/09/2018 14:22, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:

Perhaps you can steal some memory?  Or is it like CPU pin-outs never compatible!

I think its more to do with compatability on speeds/spec as mine will be 4 yrs old since built.
Alan


Re: New PC

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hi David,
The spec I have settled on (almost) is almost identical to yours. I want
to do some gaming on this so a graphics card will be necessary. The
biggest cost at the moment apart from CPU is RAM. I think 16GB is going
to have to do. I have 32 in this PC but now rarely use it since I don't
process very large astronomy images. The other issue is that I want to
keep it as quiet as possible. I've found liquid cooling very efficient
and reduces the dust contamination in the case very considerably.
Will give novatech a look.
I wont be able to recover much from this PC except one of the HDDs (2TB)
Thanks

Alan
============================

Alan,

16 GB memory should be fine. I have that in my HVS-1/HVS-2 PC as I use a RAMdisk there for both tmp and received files, and it can get quite full under fault conditions:

https://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/lund-ramdisk-trees.html

There's a TrimTree running frequently to delete orphaned tmp files, and a RoboCopy running with a minute refresh to move processed files to a hard disk. However, as you're not taking Sentinel data your needs should be less. I take Sentinel data but don't process it.

Looking at the memory on a 16 GB interactive PC it seems that over the month the committed memory gradually increases (green) and the available memory (blue) decreases, but not as rapidly. I can't trace what causes this (my AVHRR Manager accounts for a small increase), but Firefox is a major consumer.

https://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/kiruna-mem.html

Perhaps you can steal some memory? Or is it like CPU pin-outs never compatible!

Cooling is certainly important, and I find that a dust clean out once a year (or more often) helps to keep the temperatures down! Fan noise isn't important with my hearing as it is!

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David
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Re: New PC

Alan Banks <alanjamesbanks@...>
 

- 4-core CPU (6 perhaps).  Speed not overly important for EUMETCast.
- 16 GB memory or more.
- 256 GB SSD for OS.
- data disk for saved data and my programs (2-6 TB as you wish).
- data disk for HVS-1 (1 TB in my case).
- extra network card if second Ayecka SR1.
- graphics card not really required just for EUMETCast.
- serial card for GPS with PPS for accurate time keeping.
- Windows 10 Pro.
- plenty of USB ports!
Cheers,
David

Hi David,
The spec I have settled on (almost) is almost identical to yours. I want to do some gaming on this so a graphics card will be necessary. The biggest cost at the moment apart from CPU is RAM. I think 16GB is going to have to do. I have 32 in this PC but now rarely use it since I don't process very large astronomy images. The other issue is that I want to keep it as quiet as possible. I've found liquid cooling very efficient and reduces the dust contamination in the case very considerably.
Will give novatech a look.
I wont be able to recover much from this PC except one of the HDDs (2TB)
Thanks

Alan


Re: New PC

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hi all,
Its a while since I built a PC and prices seem to have rocketed
particularly for RAM.
My second grandson requires a PC for Gaming, so I thought I would give
him my current PC with an added graphics card and buy new built/self
build for me.
I've used ebuyer and scan in the past. Has anyone recent experience of
suppliers/builders to share?
With Himawari 8 moving to T2 it looks as though I need to grasp the
nettle and get a second Rx going and update EUMETCast software. May as
well do it as a new install, get my little grey cells working!
Cheers

Alan
========================================

Alan,

I've used Novatech for five PCs and found them very responsive to my particular requirements.

https://www.novatech.co.uk/

I've used PC Specialist once, but didn't go back as they seemed somewhat reluctant to move away from their standard configurations.

As Thorsten notes, Him-8 will be on TP1, but on the HVS. I have two HVS-1 receivers, an Ayecka SR-1 (set for HVS alone), and a dual-tuner TBS6903 PCIe card working on both HVS-1 and HVS-2. The SR1 HVS-1 system give fewer missed packets - and that's without using any RAMdisk (which rather surprised me!), but the TBS seems to have slightly faster AGC, so less troubled by instantaneous slight signal dips. You could also get a second-hand e.g. TBS5925 and run that just on HVS-1.

I take the HVS-1 data on a separate physical HD, and process it to the main data disk. The OS is held on an SSD. I have a graphics card in that PC so that (a) it can run dual monitors (a great productivity gain) and (b) it has the CUDA capability required by some SDR software and used by the OS (and Firefox).

- 4-core CPU (6 perhaps). Speed not overly important for EUMETCast.
- 16 GB memory or more.
- 256 GB SSD for OS.
- data disk for saved data and my programs (2-6 TB as you wish).
- data disk for HVS-1 (1 TB in my case).
- extra network card if second Ayecka SR1.
- graphics card not really required just for EUMETCast.
- serial card for GPS with PPS for accurate time keeping.
- Windows 10 Pro.
- plenty of USB ports!

Cheers,
David
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Re: New PC

Alan Banks <alanjamesbanks@...>
 

Thanks Ian & Thorsten,
TP2 was a typo or brain fade.
I meant HVS which I don't currently take.
With a link margin of 2 db or less its going to be a bit intermittent. There is zero possibility of a bigger dish and even getting a new LNB in place can be a bit hazardous given the dishes location. (erected on front of house when there was scaffolding up!)
Cheers
Alan

Will certainly look at PCSpecialist

On 09/09/2018 11:32, Ian Deans via Groups.Io wrote:
On 09/09/2018 12:10, Alan Banks via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,
Its a while since I built a PC and prices seem to have rocketed particularly for RAM.
My second grandson requires a PC for Gaming, so I thought I would give him my current PC with an added graphics card and buy new built/self build for me.
I've used ebuyer and scan in the past. Has anyone recent experience of suppliers/builders to share?
With Himawari 8 moving to T2 it looks as though I need to grasp the nettle and get a second Rx going and update EUMETCast software. May as well do it as a new install, get my little grey cells working!
Cheers

Alan
============================================================================= Hello Allan,
Douglas and I have used pcspecialist for a number of years for custom built desktops and have always been very pleased with the service. The company has expanded greatly since we first used them. so they are a large company now.
I have pasted the URL below.
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/
Probably a typo Alan but Himawari data will be on TP1.
Regards
Ian.


Re: New PC

Thorsten Miglus
 

Hi Allan,

Himawari is not moving to TP2. I stays on TP1 but it is moving from BAS to HVS.

Cheers,
Thorsten


On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 01:10 PM, Alan Banks wrote:
Hi all,
Its a while since I built a PC and prices seem to have rocketed particularly for RAM.
My second grandson requires a PC for Gaming, so I thought I would give him my current PC with an added graphics card and buy new built/self build for me.
I've used ebuyer and scan in the past. Has anyone recent experience of suppliers/builders to share?
With Himawari 8 moving to T2 it looks as though I need to grasp the nettle and get a second Rx going and update EUMETCast software. May as well do it as a new install, get my little grey cells working!
Cheers

Alan


Re: New PC

Ian Deans
 

On 09/09/2018 12:10, Alan Banks via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,
Its a while since I built a PC and prices seem to have rocketed particularly for RAM.
My second grandson requires a PC for Gaming, so I thought I would give him my current PC with an added graphics card and buy new built/self build for me.
I've used ebuyer and scan in the past. Has anyone recent experience of suppliers/builders to share?
With Himawari 8 moving to T2 it looks as though I need to grasp the nettle and get a second Rx going and update EUMETCast software. May as well do it as a new install, get my little grey cells working!
Cheers
Alan
=============================================================================

Hello Allan,

Douglas and I have used pcspecialist for a number of years for custom built desktops and have always been very pleased with the service. The company has expanded greatly since we first used them. so they are a large company now.

I have pasted the URL below.

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/

Probably a typo Alan but Himawari data will be on TP1.

Regards
Ian.


New PC

Alan Banks <alanjamesbanks@...>
 

Hi all,
Its a while since I built a PC and prices seem to have rocketed particularly for RAM.
My second grandson requires a PC for Gaming, so I thought I would give him my current PC with an added graphics card and buy new built/self build for me.
I've used ebuyer and scan in the past. Has anyone recent experience of suppliers/builders to share?
With Himawari 8 moving to T2 it looks as though I need to grasp the nettle and get a second Rx going and update EUMETCast software. May as well do it as a new install, get my little grey cells working!
Cheers

Alan


Re: BDADataEx

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hello David,

TBS Windows 10 drivers is same drivers, but x64 build signed by MS WHQL for Win10+ (so old windows show "driver not signed"). This driver need only for Win10 x64 with enabled "Secure boot" (in BIOS).

Standard TBS driver is vendor-signed (for Win Vista+) and Win10 x64 compatible (but need disable "Secure boot" if driver signed after July 29. 2015)

More info about Win 10 driver compatibility - http://support.digital-devices.eu/knowledgebase.php?article=169
=============================

Thanks for the information, and the ink about Secure Boot drivers. On one system here I have to use Test Mode to allow one particular driver to run, so that's another issue!

Going back to Ian's requirement, when using both a 5925 and a 5927, having added the second TAP device, would you expect the BDADataEx software to remember the two devices when using:

start BDADataEx.exe
start BDADataEx.exe 1

in a command script? I'm seeing two devices and able to run two BDADataEx together starting manually, but when each one starts it shows the list of devices and requires you to select. As it's working perfectly with the TBS6903 card I wonder what I may be doing wrong.

Thanks,
David
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Re: BDADataEx

CrazyCat
 

Hello David,

TBS Windows 10 drivers is same drivers, but x64 build signed by MS WHQL for Win10+ (so old windows show "driver not signed"). This driver need only for Win10 x64 with enabled "Secure boot" (in BIOS).

Standard TBS driver is vendor-signed (for Win Vista+) and Win10 x64 compatible (but need disable "Secure boot" if driver signed after July 29. 2015)

More info about Win 10 driver compatibility - http://support.digital-devices.eu/knowledgebase.php?article=169

08.09.2018, 18:00, "David J Taylor via Groups.Io" <gm8arv=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>:

I used the "Windows 10" driver for the TBS5827 just downloaded. The most
recent files in the Zip were for the 64-bit tbs5927.sys, dated 22-01-2018.
Looks like that's some six month after the 32-bit driver. Of course, I only
ran for a few minutes, so I can't comment on any long-term reliability. TBS
drivers (but NOT the IP-Tool) seem OK for the 6903 (Win-10/64). I tested
the dual-USB on a 64-bit Win-10 tablet (cheap and nasty!). Perhaps that
driver will work?

Cheers,
David


Re: BDADataEx

James Brown
 

On 08/09/2018 15:59, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
Many thanks David, I will have a look at this after shutdown later this
evening.

As you know I do not run overnight and I am now seeing issues with the
SR1 which is getting increasingly difficult to get working on boot up in
the morning, so I suspect it is on the way out.

My TBS 5927 is actually my backup reserve receiver as I have severe
driver issues with this receiver. Current drivers available from TBS
will not load into my computer ( error : not for this platform ) so I am
using an old driver ( now not available ) which needs to be loaded every
morning !!! I am not a great lover of TBS software!!!!!!

Thanks again, appreciated.

Regards
Ian.
================================

Interesting, Ian.  I know that both James Brown and I tried to help the SR1 to stay cool by providing a small airflow, simply by mounting, not by a fan. As far as I know, the majority of the problems have been with the power supply, not the SR1 itself.

I used the "Windows 10" driver for the TBS5827 just downloaded. The most recent files in the Zip were for the 64-bit tbs5927.sys, dated 22-01-2018. Looks like that's some six month after the 32-bit driver.  Of course, I only ran for a few minutes, so I can't comment on any long-term reliability.  TBS drivers (but NOT the IP-Tool) seem OK for the 6903 (Win-10/64).  I tested the dual-USB on a 64-bit Win-10 tablet (cheap and nasty!).  Perhaps that driver will work?

Cheers,
David
I can confirm that apart from a failed PSU, my SR-1 has performed without noticeable impairment. Though I did decide to place the unit vertically to allow a vertical ventilation (hot air rising through the upper louvres) and included a small computer fan to assist in those days when Summer heat in the room where it is kept might have somewhat increased the internal temperature.

Cheers,

James


Re: BDADataEx

Maurizio calvitti
 

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Re: BDADataEx

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Many thanks David, I will have a look at this after shutdown later this
evening.

As you know I do not run overnight and I am now seeing issues with the
SR1 which is getting increasingly difficult to get working on boot up in
the morning, so I suspect it is on the way out.

My TBS 5927 is actually my backup reserve receiver as I have severe
driver issues with this receiver. Current drivers available from TBS
will not load into my computer ( error : not for this platform ) so I am
using an old driver ( now not available ) which needs to be loaded every
morning !!! I am not a great lover of TBS software!!!!!!

Thanks again, appreciated.

Regards
Ian.
================================

Interesting, Ian. I know that both James Brown and I tried to help the SR1 to stay cool by providing a small airflow, simply by mounting, not by a fan. As far as I know, the majority of the problems have been with the power supply, not the SR1 itself.

I used the "Windows 10" driver for the TBS5827 just downloaded. The most recent files in the Zip were for the 64-bit tbs5927.sys, dated 22-01-2018. Looks like that's some six month after the 32-bit driver. Of course, I only ran for a few minutes, so I can't comment on any long-term reliability. TBS drivers (but NOT the IP-Tool) seem OK for the 6903 (Win-10/64). I tested the dual-USB on a 64-bit Win-10 tablet (cheap and nasty!). Perhaps that driver will work?

Cheers,
David
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Re: BDADataEx

Ian Deans
 

On 08/09/2018 15:10, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Ian Deans via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:49 PM
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: [MSG-1] BDADataEx
I am presently considering changing my set-up from an SR1 and TBS 5925
to a TBS 5925 and TBS 5927.
Ordinarily it would make sense to use the TBS IP tool for one receiver
and BDADataEx for the other, but the IP tool is not stable on my
computer causing intermittent crashes. It would therefore be necessary
to use two BDADataEx and I was wondering if this was possible and if
someone could point me in the right direction to set this up.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Ian.
=================================
Yes, it works, Ian.
1.  Install the TBS5927 driver.
2.  You have to add a second TAP adapter, just like in the dual-tuners setup.  That's a simple .BAT file you need to run once.
3.  I set the two devices manually to have IP addresses (not relying on DHCP) to 192.168.238.238 & .239.
4.  I found that the devices didn't remember which instance of the TAP adapter they should start with, at least when starting by hand.  I ran the second BDADataEx with the "1" parameter.  Maybe that would all be OK in a command script?
You can see the throughput, but there's no TelliCast running on that PC. The "Loop out" of the TBS5925 is connected to the input of the TBS5927.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David
==========================================================================

Many thanks David, I will have a look at this after shutdown later this evening.

As you know I do not run overnight and I am now seeing issues with the SR1 which is getting increasingly difficult to get working on boot up in the morning, so I suspect it is on the way out.

My TBS 5927 is actually my backup reserve receiver as I have severe driver issues with this receiver. Current drivers available from TBS will not load into my computer ( error : not for this platform ) so I am using an old driver ( now not available ) which needs to be loaded every morning !!! I am not a great lover of TBS software!!!!!!

Thanks again, appreciated.

Regards
Ian.


Re: BDADataEx

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Deans via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:49 PM
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: [MSG-1] BDADataEx


I am presently considering changing my set-up from an SR1 and TBS 5925
to a TBS 5925 and TBS 5927.

Ordinarily it would make sense to use the TBS IP tool for one receiver
and BDADataEx for the other, but the IP tool is not stable on my
computer causing intermittent crashes. It would therefore be necessary
to use two BDADataEx and I was wondering if this was possible and if
someone could point me in the right direction to set this up.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Ian.
=================================

Yes, it works, Ian.

1. Install the TBS5927 driver.

2. You have to add a second TAP adapter, just like in the dual-tuners setup. That's a simple .BAT file you need to run once.

3. I set the two devices manually to have IP addresses (not relying on DHCP) to 192.168.238.238 & .239.

4. I found that the devices didn't remember which instance of the TAP adapter they should start with, at least when starting by hand. I ran the second BDADataEx with the "1" parameter. Maybe that would all be OK in a command script?

You can see the throughput, but there's no TelliCast running on that PC. The "Loop out" of the TBS5925 is connected to the input of the TBS5927.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,
David
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