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Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Thanks for that. Met-5 visible segment order is still very
erractic. Very often segments appear to be missing and 90 minutes
later when all other FSD images are in, the missing segments are
then sent, very often involving a "manual" save. Having said that
since Met-5 started I have not been aware of any segment loss on FSD
in the 14 hours or so I take data.

Ian, I've reported this problem to Eumetsat, and they are doing
something about it.

In a way, I was slightly surprised as we'd been through the same
problem so many times before, but it's obviously a matter of fine
tuning the system. The LRIT channel is (I think) very full now,
with the derived semi-real-time products vying with the real-time
image data. I wonder what priority people would put on FSD vs. IODC
vs. Met products vs. relayed data!

I was also surprised not to see any data for the 0000 slot.

Still nothing heard about Internet access tests - I know that there
are people without DVB kit who would love to have the LRIT data....

Cheers,
David


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

David,

Thanks for that. Met-5 visible segment order is still very erractic. Very
often segments appear to be missing and 90 minutes later when all other FSD
images are in, the missing segments are then sent, very often involving a
"manual" save. Having said that since Met-5 started I have not been aware of
any segment loss on FSD in the 14 hours or so I take data.

Regards

Ian.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here


I agree -- again David has us up and running with something new on
day 1. One strange thing I have noticed about Met 5 however is that
although I save all my images as png, Met 5 is saving as jpg.

Ian, that problem will be fixed in the next beta release.

Cheers,
David


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I agree -- again David has us up and running with something new on
day 1. One strange thing I have noticed about Met 5 however is that
although I save all my images as png, Met 5 is saving as jpg.

Ian, that problem will be fixed in the next beta release.

Cheers,
David


Re: Histogram switch

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
I can't find the histogram on/off switch on beta 276 which used to
be offered on right clicking an image in Data Manager. I get a
display and some numerical readout, but can't find the 'on/off'
button.

Thanks, James. That will be fixed in the next beta.

Cheers,
David


Histogram switch

James Brown
 

I can't find the histogram on/off switch on beta 276 which used to be offered on right clicking an image in Data Manager. I get a display and some numerical readout, but can't find the 'on/off' button.

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown


Re: Animator problem

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Alan,
I've seen similar to this many times. For example, my ADSL router has a
DHCP server function which will give out IP addresses if I let it. These can
conflict with static addresses on the PCs. Make sure that you have disabled
all DHCP servers (routers, PCs and servers) and that all PCs have their own
IP addresses on the same subnet
OR
set all PCs to obtain IP addresses via DHCP and let the DHCP server dish out
the IP addresses.

Personally, on a small network, I prefer static IP addresses. DHCP uses
timed leases and the new IP address issued to a PC (especially if it has not
been logged on for a while) can be different to that previous. Mixed DHCP
and Static IP addresses can be a nightmare if not properly controlled.

Also, make sure that NETBEUI and IPX/SPX protocols are removed from all PCs
and that the TCP/IP subnet masks match on all PCs.

Contact me off list if you need more advice.
Roger

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Alan Sewards [mailto:alan.sewards@...]
|Sent: 27 November 2003 08:26
|To: MSG-1@...
|Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|
|Roger,
| The event seems from the log to be that the machine
|detected another machine with the same IP address on the
|network and disabled the interface.
|This does not make sense as the other two machines have not
|been turned off for weeks, and the network was working fine
|when I turned off the machine in question the night before. I
|have had endless trouble with this particular machine running
|XP Home in respect of networking, in fact I have never
|succeeded in getting it to work properly. It will communicate
|with the other machines but will not let them access it. So
|when I got the problem I just went though the various steps of
|checking the IP address, re-enabling the interfaces, etc. When
|this did not work, I tried using the wizard, and so on, round
|a very familiar loop. finally the wizard produced a
|configuration which worked and I could ping and thus access
|the rest of the network.
|
|Grrh!
|
|Best regards - Alan
|
|----- Original Message -----
|From: "Roger Mawhinney" <roger@...>
|To: <MSG-1@...>
|Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:27 PM
|Subject: RE: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|
|
|> What happened to cause the network to fail and what did you
|do to get the
|> network back up? Any messages? Have you checked the event logs?
|> Roger
|>
|> |-----Original Message-----
|> |From: Alan Sewards [mailto:alan.sewards@...]
|> |Sent: 26 November 2003 15:51
|> |To: MSG-1@...
|> |Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|> |
|> |I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34).
|> |Yesterday on boot up my main XP computer had lost the network
|> |connection to the other two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1
|> |reception and MDM, the other an IBM notebook logging my
|> |weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP machine as
|> |it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
|> |half a day to get the network back, and now it is back,
|> |Animator rarely works on that machine. It has to go across the
|> |network for the image data of course, and this part works OK
|> |or seems to, as it says getting images and making animation,
|> |but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
|> |themselves are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but
|> |when run on Windows Media Player they are blank also. If I
|> |hold the mouse pointer on the screen it sometimes says things
|> |like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has the look
|> |of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
|> |transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems
|> |to be the animation part that is going wrong.
|> |
|> |Anyone any thoughts?
|> |
|> |Best regards - Alan
|> |
|> |Alan Sewards
|> |email: alan.sewards@...
|> |web site: http://asewards.free.fr
|> |
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Re: Animator problem / Win XP

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

yes Alan, I know what you mean !

I've upgraded several machine from Win XP to Win 2k to get stability

XP appears, at times, to be "too" intelligent and/or goes for a walk by itself in the woods to pick bluebells ........

/nostalgia:on
and nothing comes close to "proper" dedicated servers - at work I had a Novell SFT-III server - ran for almost three years without a reboot (1022 days in fact) - and it would have kept on longer only we had to stop it as due to a prolonged power outage UPS was running out
/nostaliga:off

brgds/Dave M
....... I have had endless trouble with this particular
machine running XP Home in respect of networking, in fact I have never
....
Grrh!

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Re: Animator problem

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

Roger,
The event seems from the log to be that the machine detected another
machine with the same IP address on the network and disabled the interface.
This does not make sense as the other two machines have not been turned off
for weeks, and the network was working fine when I turned off the machine in
question the night before. I have had endless trouble with this particular
machine running XP Home in respect of networking, in fact I have never
succeeded in getting it to work properly. It will communicate with the other
machines but will not let them access it. So when I got the problem I just
went though the various steps of checking the IP address, re-enabling the
interfaces, etc. When this did not work, I tried using the wizard, and so
on, round a very familiar loop. finally the wizard produced a configuration
which worked and I could ping and thus access the rest of the network.

Grrh!

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Mawhinney" <roger@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: [MSG-1] Animator problem


What happened to cause the network to fail and what did you do to get the
network back up? Any messages? Have you checked the event logs?
Roger

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Alan Sewards [mailto:alan.sewards@...]
|Sent: 26 November 2003 15:51
|To: MSG-1@...
|Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|
|I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34).
|Yesterday on boot up my main XP computer had lost the network
|connection to the other two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1
|reception and MDM, the other an IBM notebook logging my
|weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP machine as
|it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
|half a day to get the network back, and now it is back,
|Animator rarely works on that machine. It has to go across the
|network for the image data of course, and this part works OK
|or seems to, as it says getting images and making animation,
|but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
|themselves are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but
|when run on Windows Media Player they are blank also. If I
|hold the mouse pointer on the screen it sometimes says things
|like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has the look
|of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
|transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems
|to be the animation part that is going wrong.
|
|Anyone any thoughts?
|
|Best regards - Alan
|
|Alan Sewards
|email: alan.sewards@...
|web site: http://asewards.free.fr
|
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Re: Animator problem

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Animator problem


Douglas,
Yes it is black. It is white with the messages while the images are
loaded and the animation is being done, then it changes to black, but
instead of the animation appearing, it stays black. Occasionally, it will
work OK, but only as long as the next update, when it stays black after
the
update.

Best regards - Alan

That's interesting. I once had a similar problem with the animation going
black inexplicably. Eventually I had to do the following.
Go into the folder with the saved avi animation files (5 off) and delete
them all. Start again with the new animations and see what happens.
Perhaps you have already tried that in which case my apologies.
Do hope you find the problem.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Animator problem

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

Douglas,
Yes it is black. It is white with the messages while the images are
loaded and the animation is being done, then it changes to black, but
instead of the animation appearing, it stays black. Occasionally, it will
work OK, but only as long as the next update, when it stays black after the
update.

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@...>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Animator problem



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem


I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday
on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works
on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of
course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows
Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It
has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards

Alan, when you say blank, is it a black screen you have.

Regards
Douglas




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Re: Animator problem

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

What happened to cause the network to fail and what did you do to get the
network back up? Any messages? Have you checked the event logs?
Roger

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Alan Sewards [mailto:alan.sewards@...]
|Sent: 26 November 2003 15:51
|To: MSG-1@...
|Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|
|I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34).
|Yesterday on boot up my main XP computer had lost the network
|connection to the other two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1
|reception and MDM, the other an IBM notebook logging my
|weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP machine as
|it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
|half a day to get the network back, and now it is back,
|Animator rarely works on that machine. It has to go across the
|network for the image data of course, and this part works OK
|or seems to, as it says getting images and making animation,
|but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
|themselves are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but
|when run on Windows Media Player they are blank also. If I
|hold the mouse pointer on the screen it sometimes says things
|like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has the look
|of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
|transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems
|to be the animation part that is going wrong.
|
|Anyone any thoughts?
|
|Best regards - Alan
|
|Alan Sewards
|email: alan.sewards@...
|web site: http://asewards.free.fr
|
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Re: Animator problem

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem


I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works
on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of
course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It
has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards

Alan, when you say blank, is it a black screen you have.

Regards
Douglas


Animator problem

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards
email: alan.sewards@...
web site: http://asewards.free.fr


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "a_van_belle" <a.van.belle@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here


--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.
Thanks James for pointing.
Quite remarkable how this "oldie" still gives good image quality.
Much better compared to the PDUS relays on MET7.
Can clearly see the Himalayan mountains !

I did miss the first images because I had not checked the setup.

Tip for MSG / MDM users:

Be sure to thick the "IODC Vis", "IODC IR" and "IODC WV" channels
under the FSD Tab in the setup !

If you don't have these channels in the FSD tab, you will need to
update your MSG datamanager.

Note: MET5 raw data is included in the LRIT stream, PID 301 must be
added to the data services to receive this stream.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Excellent advice, Arne. Also remember until the data stream is properly
integrated there is more chance of the segments being well out of order as
happened a few times yesterday. Remember to use the right click on the
thumbnail and select 'save channel image'. If segments are late it will
wait for the next 3 hour scan before saving. Sometimes the image looks
complete but because the last segment is in out of order it has saved
incomplete with the missing segments having come in late. Again you must
select 'save channel image'

Regards
Douglas.


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.
Thanks James for pointing.
Quite remarkable how this "oldie" still gives good image quality.
Much better compared to the PDUS relays on MET7.
Can clearly see the Himalayan mountains !

I did miss the first images because I had not checked the setup.

Tip for MSG / MDM users:

Be sure to thick the "IODC Vis", "IODC IR" and "IODC WV" channels
under the FSD Tab in the setup !

If you don't have these channels in the FSD tab, you will need to
update your MSG datamanager.

Note: MET5 raw data is included in the LRIT stream, PID 301 must be
added to the data services to receive this stream.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: Clef de decodage ( french )

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

Maintenant, c'est un question plus difficile - vraiment, c'est trais trais difficile !

Comme j'ai (et aussi M. Douglas Deans) ont explique, pour utilise MSG comme amateur ou pour recerche, le permis est libre

MAIS d'auter part, pour utilisation *commercial*, c'est pas libre - et malheureusement il n'y a pas "un prix" seul ou exact - il y a beaucoup des prix

Pour decouvert la prix exact, (si vous-etes dans un pays qui est dans la societe Eumetsat) on ne parle pas avec Eumetsat mais on doit parle avec le bureau Meteo dans votre pays

Si l'information est utilise pour, par example, la ferme ou vigne et c'est lisez seulment par votre famille ou quelques'uns dans une petit ville, c'est moins cher - mais si vous avez un reseau de television que couvert tous de Europe, on aura besoin de beaucoup de l'argent pour la service MSG !

Pour calculer le prix, les facteurs plus-importants inclue:
1/ A quelle frequence on voudrais les image (de 15 minutes a 3 ou 6 heurs), et
2/ Si on voudrais tous les meilleurs images de HRIT haute resolution ou seulment LRIT resolution-bas, et
3/ Pourquoi on a besoin des images, et
4/ Est'ce que vous voudrais transmettez les images (ou quelque chose que vous fabrique des images) a autres personnes par televisieur ou peut-etre le web - et a combien des personnes ou societes

Dans les regles de Eumetsat il y'a formules conseils pour calculer le prix de la permis ...... peut-etre seulment un mille et cinq cent euro chaque annee - ou possiblement soixante mille euros! - ou ....... ou .......

La meilleur chose je peut vous conseille c'est a lisez et etude tous les pages dans
http://www.eumetsat.de/en/dps/helpdesk/registration/pdf/msg_reg01.pdf
in particuler pages onze
(je regret que je ne peut pas trouve la meme document en Francais - il a l'air que Eumetsat a faire le traduction de seulemment un morceau de leur site-web)

et puis je-vous conseille a parle avec le bureau Meto dans votre pays
Cordialment / Dave Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: ngtienphong2002
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Clef de decodage ( french )



Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

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Re: Clef de decodage ( french)

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "ngtienphong2002" <ngtienphong2002@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Clef de decodage ( french)



Dear my friend et Dave Martin,
Mercie bien de votre r�ponse. Votre fran�ais est correct et tr�s
clair � comprendre.
Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de d�codage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des donn�es ?
Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !
Bonjour

Excusez moi, parce que je ne parle pas le francais, tres bien.
Si une reponse est tres difficile pour moi.
Ce n'est pas possible pour vous donner une reponse. Ici en Grande- Bretagne
le licence est gratuitement (de UK Met. Office) por les amateurs mais c'est
different pour chaque pays. Vous devez demander l'office meteorologique de
votre pays pour une reponse.

J'espere que vous avez compris mon ami. Mon francais est terrible !

Best wishes
Douglas.
Ecosse.


Re: Clef de decodage ( french )

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

je regret que je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps libre c'est apresmidi mais j'essayerai respondez-vous c'est soir

cordialment / Dave Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: ngtienphong2002
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Clef de decodage ( french )



Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !

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Re: language???

ngtienphong2002 <ngtienphong2002@...>
 

Excuse me. I write english very bad.

My problem is that what is the price annual of licence data MSG ?



--- In MSG-1@..., "Maximilian Reuter" <reuterm@l...>
wrote:
very interesting contributions in french... unfortunately i don't
understand a word french...
regards max reuter



language???

maxrpunkt
 

very interesting contributions in french... unfortunately i don't understand a word french...
regards max reuter