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Re: animation back-steps

Robert Moore
 

David did you notice that at around 0730 today the animations all took a
little back-step with the clouds reversing direction? I presume this is some
little glitch at the EUMETSAT end.

Robert



Yes, there seemed to be one of the steps in the image that we sometimes
observe. As if the scan mirror or its position sensor gets a few lines
out.

Cheers,
David





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MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

I got an E-mail from John M0ADS, He sugested sending the euro CASH via the
royal mail, so I went to the PO and was told that what I want is " SIGNEDFOR
" the cash is insured and must be signed for at the other end, you can send
anything of value useing this service, it cost me �3.68 all incl and should
be there tomorrow, I can also track it on the internet..
Thanks John.
Hope this is of great interest to others with this problem
73's Barry (G3WIS)

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Ok David thank for clearing that point up I been into town today and as a
point of interest Natwest charges are the cheapest at �8.00, Thomas Cook
the
dearest at �15.00, TSB �10, Abbey National �10.00, Halifax �10.00, 1st
Direct �10.00..
Chears
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David



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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Thanks again Douglas for clearing that point up I'll go and pay my bit, hi.
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@...>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP



----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should
I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary licence
from
your country's licensing authority which for us will be the UK Met.
Office.
That will be issued in accordance with what you have applied for in your
application to Eumetsat. Eumetsat will forward your application data to
the
authority (once you have completed your application/payment).
If you have applied for full data on an amateur basis that licence should
be
free for those in the UK (thanks to RIG).
The trial continues until the end of January 2004 so you still have plenty
of time.

Regards
Douglas.




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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Ok David thank for clearing that point up I been into town today and as a
point of interest Natwest charges are the cheapest at �8.00, Thomas Cook the
dearest at �15.00, TSB �10, Abbey National �10.00, Halifax �10.00, 1st
Direct �10.00..
Chears
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David



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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary licence from
your country's licensing authority which for us will be the UK Met. Office.
That will be issued in accordance with what you have applied for in your
application to Eumetsat. Eumetsat will forward your application data to the
authority (once you have completed your application/payment).
If you have applied for full data on an amateur basis that licence should be
free for those in the UK (thanks to RIG).
The trial continues until the end of January 2004 so you still have plenty
of time.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Moore" <rsmoore@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry - go and speak to your local branch. They should have a cheaper
method of
transferring the money. I got a good deal through Lloyds, but forget the
details now. They did a direct transfer from my a/c to the EUMETSAT a/c.
Robert

Quoting BARRY DAY <barryday@...>:

HI ALL, dose anyone know how to pay EUMETSAT with out haveing to pay
the
bank �8.00 for a bank draft??
I would like to do it on VISA..
Thanks
Barry
barryday@...



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DVB dish etc

Robert Moore
 

I ran a three day infra red animation 12th to 15th, western Europe. Not only did
this give a spectacular view of the storm forming but it enabled me to identify
which part of the storn caused segment loss through dish-wobble. Centre of
storm passed through Ireland and then across IOM. I had no segment loss on the
leading edge of the storm as the fronts went through, but from the storm's
closest point and along its trailing edge, as the wind went around to the NW,
the segment losses occurred. A nice confirmation that it is NW winds that are
my problem.

Robert



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Re: DVB Dishes

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Douglas Deans" <douglas@d...> wrote:
All those in the UK looking for dish wind tests should not be
disappointed in the next few days....assuming you can find them
afterwards !!
Looks particularly nasty for the west.

Regards
Douglas.
I count myself lucky in having nothing to report from Edinburgh - it
seemed to have died out by the time it got here. Sounds as if
Robert's dish survived - that's good!

Cheers,
David


Re: DVB Dishes

Robert Moore
 

I was away for the high winds here in N. Wales, so don't know exactly how it hit
my house. From my hospital bed (I'm fine folks!) it seemed to be south westerly
gusting to force 8. I left MSG data Manager running and on my return noted some
HRIT segment lossed from 1415 on 14th until 0200 today 15th, losses
concentrated in the earlier part of the period. From then on, perfect
reception.

Robert





Quoting Douglas Deans <douglas@...>:

All those in the UK looking for dish wind tests should not be disappointed
in the next few days....assuming you can find them afterwards !!
Looks particularly nasty for the west.

Regards
Douglas.




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The University of Liverpool
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Liverpool
L69 7ZA

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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

Robert Moore
 

Barry - go and speak to your local branch. They should have a cheaper method of
transferring the money. I got a good deal through Lloyds, but forget the
details now. They did a direct transfer from my a/c to the EUMETSAT a/c.
Robert

Quoting BARRY DAY <barryday@...>:

HI ALL, dose anyone know how to pay EUMETSAT with out haveing to pay the
bank �8.00 for a bank draft??
I would like to do it on VISA..
Thanks
Barry
barryday@...



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The University of Liverpool
Eleanor Rathbone Building
Bedford Street South
Liverpool
L69 7ZA

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IODC data

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Thanks for the update David. I imagine there are a few folk in
Eastern England who can receive Meteosat 5 directly, but it adds for
the rest of us a further dimension to the global network. The
possibilities of doing a Mercator mosaic using HRIT data is I guess
getting nearer ;-))

Cheers,
James
Don't forget that you can already get the full resolution IODC
binary data via FTP at 30 minute intervals, albeit 24 hours delayed
(unless you have a Met Office licence, then near real-time
perhaps?). The data will be LRIT, of course, but I guess you mean
digital rather than WEFAX.

Cheers,
David


Re: Latest e-mail from ops

James Brown
 

In message <bp5vci+74ai@...>, David Taylor <david-taylor@...> writes
--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Interesting stuff from OPS. A new format for you to wrestle with
David for the IODC (MET 5) relay!

Well, it seems that there may have been something lost in the
translation, and it's the normal image segments we will be getting,
derived from OpenMTP data. Should make it a little easier to get
you data near to day one!

Cheers,
David
Thanks for the update David. I imagine there are a few folk in Eastern England who can receive Meteosat 5 directly, but it adds for the rest of us a further dimension to the global network. The possibilities of doing a Mercator mosaic using HRIT data is I guess getting nearer ;-))

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown


Re: Latest e-mail from ops

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Interesting stuff from OPS. A new format for you to wrestle with
David for the IODC (MET 5) relay!

Well, it seems that there may have been something lost in the
translation, and it's the normal image segments we will be getting,
derived from OpenMTP data. Should make it a little easier to get
you data near to day one!

Cheers,
David


Re: Latest e-mail from ops

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "BARRY DAY" <barryday@t...> wrote:
Thanks David do you think they would take a travellers cheque?
Barry
Barry,

Traveller's cheques require a physical presence, I believe, so would
involve you in a trip to Darmstadt!

The majority opinion is that you should do what the rest of us have
done - get a draft or cheque from your bank in Euros. The fact that
you have to pay extra is something that you need to take up with the
politicians who have kept us outside the Euro system.

I believe that this topic is now closed.

Cheers,
David


Re: Latest e-mail from ops

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Thanks David do you think they would take a travellers cheque?
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Latest e-mail from ops


--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Interesting stuff from OPS. A new format for you to wrestle with
David for the IODC (MET 5) relay! And hopefully we are going to
find the UK Met office willing to supply us with a licence for the
dongles.


James,

This announcement puzzles me. I am in touch with Eumetsat and have
just received a data sample of Meteosat 5 data prepared for MSG-1
from July (unfortunately just a single segment). This is in
segmented image format, just like all the other satellite data, and
could easily be added to the program.

However, the OPEN_MTP format is not compressed, or segemented, and
the data files are huge. Even with BZ2 compression (as used on the
FTP services) a single visible-channel file occupies over 8MB (for
the 5000 x 5000 image). So receiving these files will be more
difficult, and require that the OPEN-MTP file be stored on disk
(probably being built up from chunks of files), and then read back
in, be calibrated, and converted to an image.

I hope that Eumetsat reconsider this format, and allow Meteosat 5
data to be sent in the segmented image format used for all other
satellites.

Cheers,
David



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Re: Sky2PC USB

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I have not encountered any problems so far. The only thing I have
noticed is the difference in Quality and SNR which as you say appear
meaningless although more in line with those on my Digital STB.

Peter
I found that the USB dongle was very unreliable on the one system I
tested with the V2.4.8 drivers. For no apparent reason, the light
on the dongle would go out and no data would be received. The
system could be revived simply by unplugging and re-inserting the
dongle (if you happened to be near the PC at the time), but the lost
data was gone for ever.

OK, it is uncertain what the exact problem was - on that system I am
now running a 1m USB extension cable (having the dongle visible at
the front of the PC it's much easier to check the status, but was
there an issue before with bad contact?), and I am running a
replacement dongle. However, the first dongle now seems to be
running OK on a backup PC (also with the V4.2.2 drivers).

That, coupled with the odd CPU utilisation pattern, says to me steer
clear of V4.2.8.

Cheers,
David


Re: Latest e-mail from ops

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Interesting stuff from OPS. A new format for you to wrestle with
David for the IODC (MET 5) relay! And hopefully we are going to
find the UK Met office willing to supply us with a licence for the
dongles.


James,

This announcement puzzles me. I am in touch with Eumetsat and have
just received a data sample of Meteosat 5 data prepared for MSG-1
from July (unfortunately just a single segment). This is in
segmented image format, just like all the other satellite data, and
could easily be added to the program.

However, the OPEN_MTP format is not compressed, or segemented, and
the data files are huge. Even with BZ2 compression (as used on the
FTP services) a single visible-channel file occupies over 8MB (for
the 5000 x 5000 image). So receiving these files will be more
difficult, and require that the OPEN-MTP file be stored on disk
(probably being built up from chunks of files), and then read back
in, be calibrated, and converted to an image.

I hope that Eumetsat reconsider this format, and allow Meteosat 5
data to be sent in the segmented image format used for all other
satellites.

Cheers,
David


Re: Sky2PC USB

Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
 

Changing the drivers may not have been a wise move. With the PCI
card, the V4.2.8 drivers have caused me major problems. Indeed,
having contacted about the problems their advice included trying the
older drivers...which I now use with the V2.6B PCI card.
I have not encountered any problems so far. The only thing I have noticed is the difference in Quality and SNR which as you say appear meaningless although more in line with those on my Digital STB.

Peter


Re: Sky2PC USB

Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
 

Eliminate the IPQ quandary???? Not really. The USB passes its data to the
CPU via an IRQ, usually shared with other system hardware. And you don't
have any option to change it!
My quandry was the B2C2 sharing IRQ18 with the onboard NIC, this is no longer the case with the USB Host Controller with IRQ21.

Peter