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Re: Reports from a least affected user

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote:
I would still be interested to know a little more about the
packetisation, buffering, data rates, and therefore interrupt rates
(or even DMA requirements) of the system. Perhaps someone has a
reference?
A good start is:
http://erg.abdn.ac.uk/research/future-net/digital-video/dsm-cc.html

And if you have a lot of time (and a member login) you can visit:
http://www.dvb.org/index.php?id=57

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: Reports from a least affected user

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@c...>
wrote:
David,
The 27.5 Ms/s is the digital chip rate of the signal. Data
uses a number of chips per bit, I don't know how many with Hotbird/T-
Systems. But the data bit rate is likely to be less than 5 MHz. Its
by doing this that the digital format can get more channels into the
transponder than an analog system would, and still maintain a usable
S/N ratio.

Best regards - Alan
I would still be interested to know a little more about the
packetisation, buffering, data rates, and therefore interrupt rates
(or even DMA requirements) of the system. Perhaps someone has a
reference?

Cheers,
David


Re: Reports from a least affected user

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

David,
The 27.5 Ms/s is the digital chip rate of the signal. Data uses a number
of chips per bit, I don't know how many with Hotbird/T-Systems. But the data
bit rate is likely to be less than 5 MHz. Its by doing this that the digital
format can get more channels into the transponder than an analog system
would, and still maintain a usable S/N ratio.

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Reports from a least affected user


I don't suppose it would help but has anyone affected by the
problems (Windows XP) tried adding to the boot file, the very last
line, /pcilock - according to Microsoft knowledge base this can
help with PCI IRQ conflicts.

[boot loader]
timeout=2
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)&#92;WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)&#92;WINNT="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /pcilock
^^^^^^^^
Didn't know about that one, James. As I read it though, this means
that you have to sort out the IRQs yourself first, and then Windows
doesn't touch the result.

Talking of interrupts - the 188 byte packets come down at a 27.5MS/s
rate. What is the resulting bit rate? 100Mb/s? One bit every
10ns? So a 188 byte packet lasts 2us? There's no way a PC could
handle 500K interrupts a second! So what is the packet size and
interrupt rate? How many packets fit into the on-card buffer?

Cheers,
David



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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Barry,

With due respect it hasn't been a problem for others. None of us want to
spend money that is unnecessary, but Eumetsat have one method of payment by
Bank Telegraphic Transfer and we have to accept that as part of our costs of
set-up, which as David pointed out is extremely low. I think we run the risk
of antagonising Eumetsat if we try to get round their system -- all to save
�6.

Regards

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED


I got an E-mail from John M0ADS, He sugested sending the euro CASH via the
royal mail, so I went to the PO and was told that what I want is "
SIGNEDFOR
" the cash is insured and must be signed for at the other end, you can
send
anything of value useing this service, it cost me �3.68 all incl and
should
be there tomorrow, I can also track it on the internet..
Thanks John.
Hope this is of great interest to others with this problem


Re: Skystar install

Ap van Weeren
 

Many tks David, have a try and let you know later.
ap


--- In MSG-1@..., "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote:
--- In MSG-1@..., Ap van Weeren <apvweeren@y...> wrote:
Hello, Can anybody give some advice how to install the
Skystar 2 TV- card. The computer doesn't find the
card, so it is impossible to install the drivers,
prior to the rest of the software. In the New hardware
set up is no :"B2C2 broadband Adapter".
Many thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ap van Weeren, apvweeren@y... or avweeren@d...
Ap, all I can suggest is to try a different PCI slot. The card
requires a 5V slot (not a 3.3V one), so perhaps check your
motherboard manual. In the three PCs I've tested, detection has
been automatic. Perhaps you could try the "Scan for new hardware"
function?

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED

James Brown
 

I got an E-mail from John M0ADS,
May I enquire as to who this person is and what authority they have on this issue?

Look forward with interest to what happens. I assume the cash has been
sent to Eumetsat's Bankers, not to them.
I for one have always found Eumetsat, very prompt, most helpful and
extremely courteous and will continue to do things in the way they ask.
Despite our amateur status Eumetsat have always treated us equally with
professionals and I intend to operate like that, given the excellent package
provided.

Regards
Douglas.

I'm with you on this one Douglas. I'm all for saving money, but if I am privileged to be able to receive data which would otherwise not be in the public domain then I would like to co-operate as much as I could. The differential does not seem to me IMHO to warrant a different approach.

Cheers,

James
--
James Brown


Re: Skystar install

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., Ap van Weeren <apvweeren@y...> wrote:
Hello, Can anybody give some advice how to install the
Skystar 2 TV- card. The computer doesn't find the
card, so it is impossible to install the drivers,
prior to the rest of the software. In the New hardware
set up is no :"B2C2 broadband Adapter".
Many thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ap van Weeren, apvweeren@y... or avweeren@d...
Ap, all I can suggest is to try a different PCI slot. The card
requires a 5V slot (not a 3.3V one), so perhaps check your
motherboard manual. In the three PCs I've tested, detection has
been automatic. Perhaps you could try the "Scan for new hardware"
function?

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED


I got an E-mail from John M0ADS, He sugested sending the euro CASH via the
royal mail, so I went to the PO and was told that what I want is "
SIGNEDFOR
" the cash is insured and must be signed for at the other end, you can
send
anything of value useing this service, it cost me �3.68 all incl and
should
be there tomorrow, I can also track it on the internet..
Thanks John.
Hope this is of great interest to others with this problem
73's Barry (G3WIS)

Look forward with interest to what happens. I assume the cash has been
sent to Eumetsat's Bankers, not to them.
I for one have always found Eumetsat, very prompt, most helpful and
extremely courteous and will continue to do things in the way they ask.
Despite our amateur status Eumetsat have always treated us equally with
professionals and I intend to operate like that, given the excellent package
provided.

Regards
Douglas.


Skystar install

Ap van Weeren
 

Hello, Can anybody give some advice how to install the
Skystar 2 TV- card. The computer doesn't find the
card, so it is impossible to install the drivers,
prior to the rest of the software. In the New hardware
set up is no :"B2C2 broadband Adapter".
Many thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ap van Weeren, apvweeren@... or avweeren@...

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Re: animation back-steps

Robert Moore
 

David did you notice that at around 0730 today the animations all took a
little back-step with the clouds reversing direction? I presume this is some
little glitch at the EUMETSAT end.

Robert



Yes, there seemed to be one of the steps in the image that we sometimes
observe. As if the scan mirror or its position sensor gets a few lines
out.

Cheers,
David





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MSG PAYMENT PROBLEMS SORTED

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

I got an E-mail from John M0ADS, He sugested sending the euro CASH via the
royal mail, so I went to the PO and was told that what I want is " SIGNEDFOR
" the cash is insured and must be signed for at the other end, you can send
anything of value useing this service, it cost me �3.68 all incl and should
be there tomorrow, I can also track it on the internet..
Thanks John.
Hope this is of great interest to others with this problem
73's Barry (G3WIS)

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Ok David thank for clearing that point up I been into town today and as a
point of interest Natwest charges are the cheapest at �8.00, Thomas Cook
the
dearest at �15.00, TSB �10, Abbey National �10.00, Halifax �10.00, 1st
Direct �10.00..
Chears
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David



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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Thanks again Douglas for clearing that point up I'll go and pay my bit, hi.
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@...>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP



----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should
I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary licence
from
your country's licensing authority which for us will be the UK Met.
Office.
That will be issued in accordance with what you have applied for in your
application to Eumetsat. Eumetsat will forward your application data to
the
authority (once you have completed your application/payment).
If you have applied for full data on an amateur basis that licence should
be
free for those in the UK (thanks to RIG).
The trial continues until the end of January 2004 so you still have plenty
of time.

Regards
Douglas.




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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Ok David thank for clearing that point up I been into town today and as a
point of interest Natwest charges are the cheapest at �8.00, Thomas Cook the
dearest at �15.00, TSB �10, Abbey National �10.00, Halifax �10.00, 1st
Direct �10.00..
Chears
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David



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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary
licence from your country's licensing authority which for us will be
the UK Met. Office.

So therefore you will need to pay twice to Eumetsat, once for the
software today and once for the eToken later, so there will be two
lots of bank charges. This is unfortunate, but it's the way it is
right now. You will be able get data until March without the
eToken, so there's plenty of time to save up!

Compared to the cost of receiving the data directly from Meteosat 7,
with a large dish for high-resolution PDUS reception, and the key
unit, and the receiver, a few pounds for bank charges is quite
insignificant, although I agree that any extra cost should be
minimised.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

Barry, you cannot get your e-token until you have the necessary licence from
your country's licensing authority which for us will be the UK Met. Office.
That will be issued in accordance with what you have applied for in your
application to Eumetsat. Eumetsat will forward your application data to the
authority (once you have completed your application/payment).
If you have applied for full data on an amateur basis that licence should be
free for those in the UK (thanks to RIG).
The trial continues until the end of January 2004 so you still have plenty
of time.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

Thanks Robert I'll do that and go to see Lloyds
Eumetsat have only asked for 60e, I assume thats just for the S/W should I
not ask for the KEY on the same transaction ie 100e.
Barry Day

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Moore" <rsmoore@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP


Barry - go and speak to your local branch. They should have a cheaper
method of
transferring the money. I got a good deal through Lloyds, but forget the
details now. They did a direct transfer from my a/c to the EUMETSAT a/c.
Robert

Quoting BARRY DAY <barryday@...>:

HI ALL, dose anyone know how to pay EUMETSAT with out haveing to pay
the
bank �8.00 for a bank draft??
I would like to do it on VISA..
Thanks
Barry
barryday@...



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Liverpool
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DVB dish etc

Robert Moore
 

I ran a three day infra red animation 12th to 15th, western Europe. Not only did
this give a spectacular view of the storm forming but it enabled me to identify
which part of the storn caused segment loss through dish-wobble. Centre of
storm passed through Ireland and then across IOM. I had no segment loss on the
leading edge of the storm as the fronts went through, but from the storm's
closest point and along its trailing edge, as the wind went around to the NW,
the segment losses occurred. A nice confirmation that it is NW winds that are
my problem.

Robert



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Re: DVB Dishes

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Douglas Deans" <douglas@d...> wrote:
All those in the UK looking for dish wind tests should not be
disappointed in the next few days....assuming you can find them
afterwards !!
Looks particularly nasty for the west.

Regards
Douglas.
I count myself lucky in having nothing to report from Edinburgh - it
seemed to have died out by the time it got here. Sounds as if
Robert's dish survived - that's good!

Cheers,
David


Re: DVB Dishes

Robert Moore
 

I was away for the high winds here in N. Wales, so don't know exactly how it hit
my house. From my hospital bed (I'm fine folks!) it seemed to be south westerly
gusting to force 8. I left MSG data Manager running and on my return noted some
HRIT segment lossed from 1415 on 14th until 0200 today 15th, losses
concentrated in the earlier part of the period. From then on, perfect
reception.

Robert





Quoting Douglas Deans <douglas@...>:

All those in the UK looking for dish wind tests should not be disappointed
in the next few days....assuming you can find them afterwards !!
Looks particularly nasty for the west.

Regards
Douglas.




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The University of Liverpool
Eleanor Rathbone Building
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Liverpool
L69 7ZA

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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

Robert Moore
 

Barry - go and speak to your local branch. They should have a cheaper method of
transferring the money. I got a good deal through Lloyds, but forget the
details now. They did a direct transfer from my a/c to the EUMETSAT a/c.
Robert

Quoting BARRY DAY <barryday@...>:

HI ALL, dose anyone know how to pay EUMETSAT with out haveing to pay the
bank �8.00 for a bank draft??
I would like to do it on VISA..
Thanks
Barry
barryday@...



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Professor Robert Moore
Department of Sociology, Social Policy
and Social Work Studies
The University of Liverpool
Eleanor Rathbone Building
Bedford Street South
Liverpool
L69 7ZA

tel and fax: 44 (0) 1352 714456