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Re: Animator problem

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Animator problem


Douglas,
Yes it is black. It is white with the messages while the images are
loaded and the animation is being done, then it changes to black, but
instead of the animation appearing, it stays black. Occasionally, it will
work OK, but only as long as the next update, when it stays black after
the
update.

Best regards - Alan

That's interesting. I once had a similar problem with the animation going
black inexplicably. Eventually I had to do the following.
Go into the folder with the saved avi animation files (5 off) and delete
them all. Start again with the new animations and see what happens.
Perhaps you have already tried that in which case my apologies.
Do hope you find the problem.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Animator problem

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

Douglas,
Yes it is black. It is white with the messages while the images are
loaded and the animation is being done, then it changes to black, but
instead of the animation appearing, it stays black. Occasionally, it will
work OK, but only as long as the next update, when it stays black after the
update.

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@...>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Animator problem



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem


I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday
on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works
on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of
course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows
Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It
has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards

Alan, when you say blank, is it a black screen you have.

Regards
Douglas




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Re: Animator problem

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

What happened to cause the network to fail and what did you do to get the
network back up? Any messages? Have you checked the event logs?
Roger

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Alan Sewards [mailto:alan.sewards@...]
|Sent: 26 November 2003 15:51
|To: MSG-1@...
|Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem
|
|I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34).
|Yesterday on boot up my main XP computer had lost the network
|connection to the other two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1
|reception and MDM, the other an IBM notebook logging my
|weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP machine as
|it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
|half a day to get the network back, and now it is back,
|Animator rarely works on that machine. It has to go across the
|network for the image data of course, and this part works OK
|or seems to, as it says getting images and making animation,
|but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
|themselves are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but
|when run on Windows Media Player they are blank also. If I
|hold the mouse pointer on the screen it sometimes says things
|like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has the look
|of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
|transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems
|to be the animation part that is going wrong.
|
|Anyone any thoughts?
|
|Best regards - Alan
|
|Alan Sewards
|email: alan.sewards@...
|web site: http://asewards.free.fr
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Re: Animator problem

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Animator problem


I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me
half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works
on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of
course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations
themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It
has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards

Alan, when you say blank, is it a black screen you have.

Regards
Douglas


Animator problem

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

I have run into a puzzling problem with Animator (v1.1.8.34). Yesterday on
boot up my main XP computer had lost the network connection to the other
two, one XP running 24/7 with MSG1 reception and MDM, the other an IBM
notebook logging my weather station data. I run Animator on the main XP
machine as it bogs down the MSG machine with disk activity. It took me half
a day to get the network back, and now it is back, Animator rarely works on
that machine. It has to go across the network for the image data of course,
and this part works OK or seems to, as it says getting images and making
animation, but the Animation screen remains blank. The animations themselves
are there, of about the right size (88 MB), but when run on Windows Media
Player they are blank also. If I hold the mouse pointer on the screen it
sometimes says things like "43 images animated of the 44 requested". It has
the look of a network problem but I cannot see what. Data is being
transferred as the bad image editor shows the images, it seems to be the
animation part that is going wrong.

Anyone any thoughts?

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards
email: alan.sewards@...
web site: http://asewards.free.fr


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "a_van_belle" <a.van.belle@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here


--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.
Thanks James for pointing.
Quite remarkable how this "oldie" still gives good image quality.
Much better compared to the PDUS relays on MET7.
Can clearly see the Himalayan mountains !

I did miss the first images because I had not checked the setup.

Tip for MSG / MDM users:

Be sure to thick the "IODC Vis", "IODC IR" and "IODC WV" channels
under the FSD Tab in the setup !

If you don't have these channels in the FSD tab, you will need to
update your MSG datamanager.

Note: MET5 raw data is included in the LRIT stream, PID 301 must be
added to the data services to receive this stream.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Excellent advice, Arne. Also remember until the data stream is properly
integrated there is more chance of the segments being well out of order as
happened a few times yesterday. Remember to use the right click on the
thumbnail and select 'save channel image'. If segments are late it will
wait for the next 3 hour scan before saving. Sometimes the image looks
complete but because the last segment is in out of order it has saved
incomplete with the missing segments having come in late. Again you must
select 'save channel image'

Regards
Douglas.


Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.
Thanks James for pointing.
Quite remarkable how this "oldie" still gives good image quality.
Much better compared to the PDUS relays on MET7.
Can clearly see the Himalayan mountains !

I did miss the first images because I had not checked the setup.

Tip for MSG / MDM users:

Be sure to thick the "IODC Vis", "IODC IR" and "IODC WV" channels
under the FSD Tab in the setup !

If you don't have these channels in the FSD tab, you will need to
update your MSG datamanager.

Note: MET5 raw data is included in the LRIT stream, PID 301 must be
added to the data services to receive this stream.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: Clef de decodage ( french )

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

Maintenant, c'est un question plus difficile - vraiment, c'est trais trais difficile !

Comme j'ai (et aussi M. Douglas Deans) ont explique, pour utilise MSG comme amateur ou pour recerche, le permis est libre

MAIS d'auter part, pour utilisation *commercial*, c'est pas libre - et malheureusement il n'y a pas "un prix" seul ou exact - il y a beaucoup des prix

Pour decouvert la prix exact, (si vous-etes dans un pays qui est dans la societe Eumetsat) on ne parle pas avec Eumetsat mais on doit parle avec le bureau Meteo dans votre pays

Si l'information est utilise pour, par example, la ferme ou vigne et c'est lisez seulment par votre famille ou quelques'uns dans une petit ville, c'est moins cher - mais si vous avez un reseau de television que couvert tous de Europe, on aura besoin de beaucoup de l'argent pour la service MSG !

Pour calculer le prix, les facteurs plus-importants inclue:
1/ A quelle frequence on voudrais les image (de 15 minutes a 3 ou 6 heurs), et
2/ Si on voudrais tous les meilleurs images de HRIT haute resolution ou seulment LRIT resolution-bas, et
3/ Pourquoi on a besoin des images, et
4/ Est'ce que vous voudrais transmettez les images (ou quelque chose que vous fabrique des images) a autres personnes par televisieur ou peut-etre le web - et a combien des personnes ou societes

Dans les regles de Eumetsat il y'a formules conseils pour calculer le prix de la permis ...... peut-etre seulment un mille et cinq cent euro chaque annee - ou possiblement soixante mille euros! - ou ....... ou .......

La meilleur chose je peut vous conseille c'est a lisez et etude tous les pages dans
http://www.eumetsat.de/en/dps/helpdesk/registration/pdf/msg_reg01.pdf
in particuler pages onze
(je regret que je ne peut pas trouve la meme document en Francais - il a l'air que Eumetsat a faire le traduction de seulemment un morceau de leur site-web)

et puis je-vous conseille a parle avec le bureau Meto dans votre pays
Cordialment / Dave Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: ngtienphong2002
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Clef de decodage ( french )



Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

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Re: Clef de decodage ( french)

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "ngtienphong2002" <ngtienphong2002@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Clef de decodage ( french)



Dear my friend et Dave Martin,
Mercie bien de votre r�ponse. Votre fran�ais est correct et tr�s
clair � comprendre.
Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de d�codage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des donn�es ?
Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !
Bonjour

Excusez moi, parce que je ne parle pas le francais, tres bien.
Si une reponse est tres difficile pour moi.
Ce n'est pas possible pour vous donner une reponse. Ici en Grande- Bretagne
le licence est gratuitement (de UK Met. Office) por les amateurs mais c'est
different pour chaque pays. Vous devez demander l'office meteorologique de
votre pays pour une reponse.

J'espere que vous avez compris mon ami. Mon francais est terrible !

Best wishes
Douglas.
Ecosse.


Re: Clef de decodage ( french )

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

je regret que je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps libre c'est apresmidi mais j'essayerai respondez-vous c'est soir

cordialment / Dave Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: ngtienphong2002
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Clef de decodage ( french )



Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !

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Re: language???

ngtienphong2002 <ngtienphong2002@...>
 

Excuse me. I write english very bad.

My problem is that what is the price annual of licence data MSG ?



--- In MSG-1@..., "Maximilian Reuter" <reuterm@l...>
wrote:
very interesting contributions in french... unfortunately i don't
understand a word french...
regards max reuter



language???

maxrpunkt
 

very interesting contributions in french... unfortunately i don't understand a word french...
regards max reuter


Clef de decodage ( french)

ngtienphong2002 <ngtienphong2002@...>
 

Dear my friend et Dave Martin,

Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !

---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
NGUYEN Tien Phong
Doctorant
Université de Perpignan - Laboratoire de Physique Appliquée et
d'Automatique
Bât B, 52 avenue Paul Alduy, 66 860 Perpignan Cedex
Tél : +33 (0)4 68 66 22 40
+33 (0)6 20 37 93 14


Re: Clef de decodage ( french )

ngtienphong2002 <ngtienphong2002@...>
 

Mercie bien de votre réponse. Votre français est correct et très
clair à comprendre.

Donc une seul question qui reste, si comme j'utilise des images
comme le commercial, quel est le prix de la clef de décodage et quel
est le prix annuel pour le licence des données ?

Je vous remercie d'avance et bien cordialement !

---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
NGUYEN Tien Phong
Doctorant
Université de Perpignan - Laboratoire de Physique Appliquée et
d'Automatique
Bât B, 52 avenue Paul Alduy, 66 860 Perpignan Cedex
Tél : +33 (0)4 68 66 22 40
+33 (0)6 20 37 93 14



--- In MSG-1@..., "Dave Martin" <Dave.Martin@m...> wrote:

j'essayerai ecrire en Français!

1/ La premiere chose qu'on a besoin c'est un permis - on doit
remplir le
permis q'on trouvez sur www.eumetsat.de

La seul chose qu'on a besoin achete d'Eumetsat =maintenant= c'est
le
logiciel de "Tellique" pour commande le recepteur "Technisat"
(carte PCI ou
USB "Technisat" a l'exterieur)

Aussi, avec votre permis, Eumetsat vous donne un "user name"
et "password"
qu'on doit adjouter dans le "recv.ini"

Quand vous recu ce permis, pendant les temps de "testing" on peut
participer
=sans clef= aux epreuves qui continuent jusqu'au Printemps 2004


2/ Quelque gens ont decouvert que c'est possible d'utilise un PC
seulment;
mais pour les meilleurs results, on a besoin (et Eumetsat
reccomend) un PC
pour recevoir le data de Hotbird, et aussi un deuxieme PC pour
fair le
translation (sur lequel je vous recommend les logiciels de M.
David Taylor
qu'on peut trouve sur www.satsignal.net)


3/ Quand Eumetsat c'est content que la nouvelle satelitte c'est
pret, (elle
change sa nom de MSG-1 a Meteosat-8) et auusi on aura besoin de la
clef.
MAIS Eumetsat nous donne quelque images libre (comme Met-7) et on
peut recu
les image libre chaque six heurs sans clef. Mais, si vous avez
gagne un
permis de Eumetsat pour recerche ou education, on peut achete la
clef pour
40 euros; mais, j'repete a ce moment on ne peut pas achete la
clef -
quand Eumetsat est pret, Eumetsat, (ou peut-etre la bureau Meteo
dans votre
pays) ecrivez a tous les gens qui particpe dans les epreuves a
offrir si on
voudrais achete la clef


J'essai que vous peut comprendre ma Francais excreable

salutations
Dave Martin / sur l'isle de Man

----- Original Message -----
From: ngtienphong2002
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Clef de decodage ( french )



Nous avons déjà la MSG hardware et je voudrais demander le prix du
clef de decodage pour accéder les images chez Eumetsat.

Bien cordialement à vous !


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Re: First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

James,

I agree -- again David has us up and running with something new on day 1.
One strange thing I have noticed about Met 5 however is that although I save
all my images as png, Met 5 is saving as jpg.

Regards

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Brown" <satellite@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:34 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here


Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.

Thanks David,

Cheers,

James

--
James Brown


First segments of Meteosat 5 appearing here

James Brown
 

Congrats again to DT. First Meteosat 5 segment arriving as I speak.

Thanks David,

Cheers,

James

--
James Brown


Re: EUMETCast - the future?

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 23-11-03 12:31:55 GMT Standard Time,
david-taylor@... writes:

John,

Thanks for sharing that. I hope that the US takes notice of this
development, so that they too can look forward to the benefits
of "Satellite TV"-style distribution.

Cheers,
David
David,

Some years ago (and I must go and look it up) a CGMS report suggested/stated
that
the future of meteorological satellite data distribution/dissemination would
be via
commercial satellites rather than direct-readout.

I was told by NOAA that they probably would not go this route.

When EUMETSAT and NOAA agreed on a joint polar orbiting system project -
Europe the mooring satellite, USA the afternoon satellite - and a sharing of
sensors,
etc. (many years ago) it was thought that a compatibility for a standard
world format
would come out of it.
I understood this to be LRPT [Low Rate Picture Transmission] and AHRPT
[Advanced High Rate Picture Transmission (similar to HRPT)] with the 137 MHz
and 1.69 GHz bands being used for the downlinks.

Well - what have we got?

MetOp using 137.9125 MHz and 137.10 MHz for LRPT and the 1.69 GHz band for
AHRPT.

NPOESS using the 1.69 GHz band for LRD [Low Rate Data] and the 8 GHz band
for HRD [High Rate Data (at an enormous data rate)].

So much for computability!

However, things look a little more promising on the geostationary front.
Most (if not all) satellites (soon) will use LRIT as the standard replacement
for WEFAX
and most will eventually, it seems, use HRIT for the high resolution
services.

Now, the failure of MSG-1's SSPA's and EUMSAT's use of EUMETCast to overcome
this, has demonstrated the possibility, flexibility and expandability and I
believe
robustness of the DVB format for use as a meteorological data distribution
system.
And, using cheap, 'domestic' quality components - with simple installation.

Will EUMETCast DVB become a world meteorological data dissemination format?

One 'problem' is that it relies on a third party carrier - which costs money.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: A glitch

James Brown
 


Seen this before. As I also have ProgDVB and TQ 2.3.1 installed, I
don't think that was the real cause. Stopping TQ is really causing
this problem.

If you see more than one T icon, there is a problem with the
temporary files (*.fsy) in the tellique&#92;receiving&#92;tmp folder.

As you know, during normal running these files can grow up to 100 Mb.
At restart TQ starts to interpret the 0.fsy file which might take
long. TQ thinks it's main process is halted and starts another TQ
process, and another and so on.
Eventually the temp file will be minimised and the other processes
will stop automatically.

To prevent this you can safely remove the *.fsy file BEFORE you re-
start TQ.
Don't know why these *.fsy files do grow so large. Monitoring shows
that they grow faster at lower signal quality and/or high cpu load.
Under normal conditions the 0.fsy file will grow over 80 Mb within
three weeks running TQ.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle
Many thanks for that Arne. I will keep an eye on things and if the situation re-occurs then I'll try your suggestion.

Cheers
James
--
James Brown


Re: A glitch

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., James Brown <satellite@m...> wrote:
Just to report a weird oddity today.
After starting up the Tellique s/ware the 'T' icon started slowly
duplicating itself across the system tray. Looking at the log file
it
was attempting to start the child, then killing the child and
starting
again. Each time producing a new icon.

Trying to look at the HTML shell overview, would produce a few
seconds
of information before it stopped with a can't find page error.

Tried several re-starts and re-boots to no avail. Fired up the
previous
2.3.0a version - worked just fine. Concluded that there was a need
for a
re-installation. Did this and now it's running fine. The only
modification I made to the machine was to install the latest
version of
PROGDVB last night. So just in case that was the problem - now
uninstalled - I thought I'd share this piece of info with the
group.
Otherwise it could be a computer going flaky!!
Hello James,

Seen this before. As I also have ProgDVB and TQ 2.3.1 installed, I
don't think that was the real cause. Stopping TQ is really causing
this problem.

If you see more than one T icon, there is a problem with the
temporary files (*.fsy) in the tellique&#92;receiving&#92;tmp folder.

As you know, during normal running these files can grow up to 100 Mb.
At restart TQ starts to interpret the 0.fsy file which might take
long. TQ thinks it's main process is halted and starts another TQ
process, and another and so on.
Eventually the temp file will be minimised and the other processes
will stop automatically.

To prevent this you can safely remove the *.fsy file BEFORE you re-
start TQ.
Don't know why these *.fsy files do grow so large. Monitoring shows
that they grow faster at lower signal quality and/or high cpu load.
Under normal conditions the 0.fsy file will grow over 80 Mb within
three weeks running TQ.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: A glitch

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Empty reply, fingers in gear, brain not engaged

Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Martin
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] A glitch



----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Moore
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] A glitch


James, my Tellique software occassionally spawns a string of icons - but they
just go away when I run the mouse-pointer over them.
Robert



Quoting James Brown <satellite@...>:

> Just to report a weird oddity today.
>
> After starting up the Tellique s/ware the 'T' icon started slowly
> duplicating itself across the system tray. Looking at the log file it
> was attempting to start the child, then killing the child and starting
> again. Each time producing a new icon.
>
> Trying to look at the HTML shell overview, would produce a few seconds
> of information before it stopped with a can't find page error.
>
> Tried several re-starts and re-boots to no avail. Fired up the previous
> 2.3.0a version - worked just fine. Concluded that there was a need for a
> re-installation. Did this and now it's running fine. The only
> modification I made to the machine was to install the latest version of
> PROGDVB last night. So just in case that was the problem - now
> uninstalled - I thought I'd share this piece of info with the group.
> Otherwise it could be a computer going flaky!!
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