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Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Douglas Deans
 

On 06/11/2019 10:44, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8
dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has
been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish
which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.
Regards,
Douglas.
=============================
This must be from the two planned outages the notified.  I guess it's from prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.
"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno 5292 in UNS"
 https://uns.eumetsat.int/
Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:
 https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users
(I think you do, Douglas).
Cheers,
David
======================================================================

I remember seeing the warning of the 2 short outages but did not link it to the large rise in signal this morning.
This poor signal issue is even more ridiculous if the back up link gives nearly a dB extra in signal on TP1. However lets wait and see before drawing conclusions. If it does perhaps the prime and back-up should be swapped !

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Cornish Man
 

Hi

My signal has been degrading for the last few months

used to get 12.4 DB's on TP1 . Now it's down to 11.2 DB on good days

I am using  110cm Dish

Jan

On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 10:44:34 GMT, David J Taylor via Groups.Io <gm8arv@...> wrote:


Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8
dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has
been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish
which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.

Regards,
Douglas.
=============================

This must be from the two planned outages the notified.  I guess it's  from
prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.

"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno 5292
in UNS"

  https://uns.eumetsat.int/

Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:

  https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users

(I think you do, Douglas).

Cheers,
David
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Re: eToken failed to work

Cornish Man
 

Hi

Had the same thing happened to my eToken,  tried different USB ports with the same results. 
Reinstalled Windows and all the drivers and nothing
I couldn't find out what was wrong with it.

Luckily had a spare etoken to use 



On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 11:50:48 GMT, Thorsten Miglus <thorsten.miglus@...> wrote:


Hi Hartmut,

this is an issue with the USB port. I observed it from time to time. But after installig the newest etoken drive it happend only one time during several months.

Cheers,
Thorsten

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM, Hartmut Schulla wrote:

Hi!

Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.

I restarted the service and the monitor without success.

Only a reboot the machine solved the problem:

 

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:eToken transaction timed out.

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:Critical dongle error (EToken transaction timed out). Restarting child.

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:tc-cast-client shutting down... [1876]

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359947002c61d0 ended/interrupted: 1 file missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a4e002c629b ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a74002c62bd ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from announcement channel `TSL-HVS-1', address 224.223.223.223:4711 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-4', address 224.223.223.12:5013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-2', address 224.223.223.3:7015 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Missed parts of file `goes15.2019.310.000017_geo.nc.bz2' id 5dc2155a002c61c7 from channel `E1H-TPG-4'

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:File transmission 1c359a5a002c6291 ended: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Sending signal to kill old child [1876].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Starting new child...

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Started new child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Sending signal to kill old child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Starting new child...

 

Very strange!

Regards

Hartmut

Re: eToken failed to work

Thorsten Miglus
 

Hi Hartmut,

this is an issue with the USB port. I observed it from time to time. But after installig the newest etoken drive it happend only one time during several months.

Cheers,
Thorsten


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM, Hartmut Schulla wrote:

Hi!

Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.

I restarted the service and the monitor without success.

Only a reboot the machine solved the problem:

 

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:eToken transaction timed out.

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:Critical dongle error (EToken transaction timed out). Restarting child.

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:tc-cast-client shutting down... [1876]

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359947002c61d0 ended/interrupted: 1 file missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a4e002c629b ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a74002c62bd ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from announcement channel `TSL-HVS-1', address 224.223.223.223:4711 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-4', address 224.223.223.12:5013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-2', address 224.223.223.3:7015 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Missed parts of file `goes15.2019.310.000017_geo.nc.bz2' id 5dc2155a002c61c7 from channel `E1H-TPG-4'

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:File transmission 1c359a5a002c6291 ended: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Sending signal to kill old child [1876].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Starting new child...

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Started new child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Sending signal to kill old child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Starting new child...

 

Very strange!

Regards

Hartmut

eToken failed to work

Hartmut Schulla
 

Hi!

Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.

I restarted the service and the monitor without success.

Only a reboot the machine solved the problem:

 

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:eToken transaction timed out.

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:Critical dongle error (EToken transaction timed out). Restarting child.

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:tc-cast-client shutting down... [1876]

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359947002c61d0 ended/interrupted: 1 file missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a4e002c629b ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a74002c62bd ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from announcement channel `TSL-HVS-1', address 224.223.223.223:4711 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-4', address 224.223.223.12:5013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-2', address 224.223.223.3:7015 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Missed parts of file `goes15.2019.310.000017_geo.nc.bz2' id 5dc2155a002c61c7 from channel `E1H-TPG-4'

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:File transmission 1c359a5a002c6291 ended: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Sending signal to kill old child [1876].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Starting new child...

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Started new child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Sending signal to kill old child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Starting new child...

 

Very strange!

Regards

Hartmut

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

David J Taylor
 

Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8
dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has
been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish
which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.

Regards,
Douglas.
=============================

This must be from the two planned outages the notified. I guess it's from prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.

"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno 5292 in UNS"

https://uns.eumetsat.int/

Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:

https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users

(I think you do, Douglas).

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Douglas Deans
 

On 06/11/2019 10:09, geojohnt via Groups.Io wrote:
All,
I hardly dare to say this but under clear sky conditions my TP 1 SNR on the SR1 receiver is up 0.3 - 0.4 dB from 'what it should be' at this time of day.
The SNR is also rock steady.
Power is, as always, steady at - 25 dBm.
A couple of times so far this morning my SNR went to 13.5 for short periods.
Rather a long way from the good old days 18 months ago when my SNR was 14.2/3 dB.
However, a step in the right direction if someone is tweaking the uplink and/or satellite attitude/parameters.
Regards,
John Tellick.
===============================================================================

Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8 dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.

Regards,
Douglas.

TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

geojohnt@...
 

All,

I hardly dare to say this but under clear sky conditions my TP 1 SNR on the SR1 receiver is up 0.3 - 0.4 dB from 'what it should be' at this time of day.

The SNR is also rock steady.
Power is, as always, steady at - 25 dBm.

A couple of times so far this morning my SNR went to 13.5 for short periods.
Rather a long way from the good old days 18 months ago when my SNR was 14.2/3 dB.

However, a step in the right direction if someone is tweaking the uplink and/or satellite attitude/parameters.

Regards,
John Tellick.






Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

geojohnt@...
 

Hello Thomas,

Er well, for me it's a bit lost in 'the mists of time.'

We started off on Hotbird 13 degrees east with DVB-S.
Then if I recall correctly moved to E9B and then E10A.
The move to E10A may well have been when DVB-S2 was adopted?

Anyway, there were 'reasons' for moving satellite's, possibly commercial.

E10A Europe wide beam max power contour 48 dBm.
E9B Europe wide beam max power contour 51 dBm.
E21B - EUMETCast backup satellite Europe wide beam max power contour 47 dBm.

E9B has far less Ku-band transponders available than E10A as it's transmissions only starts at 11.727 GHz to 12.476 GHz.
Where E10A has the full Ku-band transmissions from 10.732 GHz to 12.680 GHz.

Best wishes,
John

+++++++++++++++++

In a message dated 04/11/2019 20:56:57 GMT Standard Time, privat@... writes:

maybe a stupid question, but i missed the reason for the switch from 9B to 10A.

Since 9B is still there with  strength beans i wonder why eumetsat didn't
stay at 9B.

Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

Thomas Scheelen
 

David and John,

maybe a stupid question, but i missed the reason for the switch from 9B to 10A.

Since 9B is still there with strength beans i wonder why eumetsat didn't stay at 9B.

Beste Grüße

Am 4. November 2019 18:30:04 schrieb "David J Taylor via Groups.Io" <gm8arv=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>:

David,

I've had a look around but can't find any technical spec for this satellite
yet such as power contours, just press releases.

I would imagine it would have a bit more uumph than 10 A being a new
satellite.
However, new satellite, more uumph, more money for a transponder?

With EUMETSAT already having capacity on Eutelsat 21B I suspect they
wouldn't take out new capacity on 10B.
Depends I guess on whether 10A continues in service?

Regards,
John.
=========================================

The article says:

"EUTELSAT 10B satellite will carry two widebeam C- and Ku-band payloads,
totalling 32 36 MHz equivalent transponders1 to ensure continuity of the
missions of the EUTELSAT 10A satellite, whose operational life is scheduled
to end in 2023."

Lewis might have his 8 World Championships by then!

Cheers,
David
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Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

geojohnt@...
 

David,

Ah, yes, I saw the info about the mix of transponders but missed the 'end of life' for 10A.

Fingers crossed, a direct transfer - and/or capacity on 9B instead of Eutelsat 21B.

Regards,
John.

Oh, yes, well, Lewis Hamilton might have his 9th by 2023?
One more to go to be level with Michael Schumacher.


In a message dated 04/11/2019 17:29:45 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

The article says:

"EUTELSAT 10B satellite will carry two widebeam C- and Ku-band payloads,
totalling 32 36 MHz equivalent transponders1 to ensure continuity of the
missions of the EUTELSAT 10A satellite, whose operational life is scheduled
to end in 2023."

Lewis might have his 8 World Championships by then!

Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

David J Taylor
 

David,

I've had a look around but can't find any technical spec for this satellite yet such as power contours, just press releases.

I would imagine it would have a bit more uumph than 10 A being a new satellite.
However, new satellite, more uumph, more money for a transponder?

With EUMETSAT already having capacity on Eutelsat 21B I suspect they wouldn't take out new capacity on 10B.
Depends I guess on whether 10A continues in service?

Regards,
John.
=========================================

The article says:

"EUTELSAT 10B satellite will carry two widebeam C- and Ku-band payloads, totalling 32 36 MHz equivalent transponders1 to ensure continuity of the missions of the EUTELSAT 10A satellite, whose operational life is scheduled to end in 2023."

Lewis might have his 8 World Championships by then!

Cheers,
David
--
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

geojohnt@...
 

David,

I've had a look around but can't find any technical spec for this satellite yet such as power contours, just press releases.

I would imagine it would have a bit more uumph than 10 A being a new satellite.
However, new satellite, more uumph, more money for a transponder?

With EUMETSAT already having capacity on Eutelsat 21B I suspect they wouldn't take out new capacity on 10B.
Depends I guess on whether 10A continues in service?

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++

In a message dated 04/11/2019 10:10:26 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

Any chance that EUMETSAT will get some transponders on this new 10B bird,
and will the footprint be any stronger?


Cheers,
David

Re: New EUTELSAT satellite....

Ferdinand Valk
 

Wouldn't it be nice....

-----Original Message-----
From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of David J Taylor via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 04 November, 2019 10:08
To: MSG-1 group <MSG-1@groups.io>
Subject: [MSG-1] New EUTELSAT satellite....

Any chance that EUMETSAT will get some transponders on this new 10B bird,
and will the footprint be any stronger?

http://www.satnews.com/story.php?number=924089076

Cheers,
David
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New EUTELSAT satellite....

David J Taylor
 

Any chance that EUMETSAT will get some transponders on this new 10B bird, and will the footprint be any stronger?

http://www.satnews.com/story.php?number=924089076

Cheers,
David
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Re: Strange Fading effects

Thomas Scheelen
 

Good morning, 

first off all i wanna thank you for all the great informations and assistance. You brought me a lot further. 

As recommended by David I ordered an used 5927 which i found for a reasonable price. 
Additional i purchased a new dish with a diameter of 125cm. Hope my Neighbor does not think E.T. has landed.. :-) 

I expect a lot better performance in reception, but also new challenges. 

With the present equipment no improvements seems achievable. 

Greetings 
Thomas 



Am 1. November 2019 15:37:59 schrieb "Ernst Lobsiger" <ernst.lobsiger@...>:

David and Thomas,

The EUMETSAT Setup Guide is for Windows 7 (not XP)

<Cite>
3.6 Running SS2XPFIX
SS2XPFIX is a small console utility created by CrazyCat which is setting one bit in BDA demodulator register.
</Cite>

IIRC this did the trick to enable the use of the STV0903BAC demodulator to receive at least
the BASIC MODCOD of the Transport Stream (TS) without really being fully VCM capable.
Not sure something like that was integrated in later BDADataEx versions (I doubt it).

Cheers,
Ernst

Re: Strange Fading effects

Ernst Lobsiger
 

David and Thomas,

The EUMETSAT Setup Guide is for Windows 7 (not XP)

<Cite>
3.6 Running SS2XPFIX
SS2XPFIX is a small console utility created by CrazyCat which is setting one bit in BDA demodulator register.
</Cite>

IIRC this did the trick to enable the use of the STV0903BAC demodulator to receive at least
the BASIC MODCOD of the Transport Stream (TS) without really being fully VCM capable.
Not sure something like that was integrated in later BDADataEx versions (I doubt it).

Cheers,
Ernst

Re: Strange Fading effects

David J Taylor
 

Thomas,
[]
Make sure you have the exact card depicted, use BDADataEx (David can possibly hint where you find the latest version) and also use the CrazyCat special SS2XPFIX that enables the demodulator to work the way EUMETSAT never dreamed of.
[]
Regards
Ernst
=====================================

Thanks, Ernst. Downloads are on the EUMETCast Web site, although I don't know their vintage:

ftp://ftp.eumetsat.int/pub/OPS/out/user/EUMETCast_Support/EUMETCast_Licence_cd/Windows/DVB_devices/TOOLS/


I had not heard of SS2XPFIX (sounds like a version for Windows XP?), but EUMETSAT say it can be downloaded here:

ftp://ftp.eumetsat.int/pub/OPS/out/user/EUMETCast_Support/EUMETCast_Licence_cd/Windows/DVB_devices/SKYSTAR2_HD/

Both URLs work here right now, and the files are dated 2019 - if that means anything.

For all the bother of using the older cards, perhaps getting a second-hand TBS6903 (or even TBS6983) may be the better approach.

Cheers,
David
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Re: Strange Fading effects

Ernst Lobsiger
 

Thomas,

If you go to the page

https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/Data/DataDelivery/EUMETCast/ReceptionStationSetup/index.html

Under "Devices" at the very bottom you find the Technisat
SkyStar 2 eXpress HD card that works for BASIC service only.

"The following device with STV0903BAC demodulator chip support only 8PSK MODCODs"

At first EUMETSAT didn't beleave it's possible but then they
even wrote an installation and setup guide. This paper is
dated 2015 but it might still work. Make sure you have the
exact card depicted, use BDADataEx (David can possibly hint
where you find the latest version) and also use the CrazyCat
special SS2XPFIX that enables the demodulator to work the
way EUMETSAT never dreamed of. As I said before: I only
did it under GNU/Linux where what SS2XPFIX does was possibly
integrated in the CrazyCat driver. Under Windows it seems to
work with standard card drivers but enabled with SS2XPFIX.

DVB-S2 is *very* different from DVB-S (but still includes it).
ACM/VCM is one of the most advanced features of DVB-S2 ...

Regards
Ernst

P.S. If you search the list for things like STV0903BAC or
SkyStar eXpress and SS2XPFIX you might find related posts.

Re: Strange Fading effects

David J Taylor
 

Ernst,

that's a good hint indeed. I am going to try crazycat drivers.

Just to clarify a few things things for me.

While on DVBS1 the standard drivers and tools of technisat worked well.
Especially the IP Data tool.

Is it mandatory to use the BDADataEx on Windows, or will the standard ip tool work as well? The included drivers and tools are also for DVB-S2.

To be honest i still not understand the difference between S2 and S if we talk about Eumetcast.

I thankful for a short explanation... ????????

Greetings
Thomas
==================================

Thomas,

With the TBS software, some of us have found that it crashed (inconsistently), but for others it works correctly. Here, it crashes, so I've used the BDADataEx software without any problems.

The difference with transponder 1 is that it can send two standards of modulation, one for the Basic Service, and a different, higher-rate scheme for the High Volume 1 service. The DVB receiver must be able to switch between the two schemes to receive data correctly. With some receiver software (e.g. BDADataEx) you can disable reception of the higher volume service, so that the BS isn't affected by low signal levels which would cause the HVS to be received with errors. Both the TBS and BDADataEx programs allow this.

So the difference is: S is a fixed rate per transmission, S2 allows multiple rates and error correction streams within the single transmission. Hence VCM - variable coding and modulation - used on transponder 1.

Does that help?

Cheers,
David
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