Both,

Ever the tinkerer, I immediately decided to give this a try.
I set up MDM-2 up to receive ONLY HRIT from MSG-2, and set it to
receive from MSG-2 only (not delete the other) and MDM-1 collects
from MSG-1 all the other stuff as before.

I notice that they are both processing Met-5 and Met-7 data even
though MDM-2 has LRIT all unchecked and FSD all unchecked.

Have I forgotten something?

Cheers
John Say

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a_van_belle wrote:

Running MSG data manager twice on the same box will result in data
loss. The decoded files do not carry MSG1 or MSG2 in the filename

so

images will be overwritten unless you use completely different

paths

for both copies of MDM running !

But you don't /have/ to get data loss. You can to this by naming

the

second copy with a different executable name (such as
MsgDataManager-2.exe), and placing it in a different directory (so

that

you get separate log files). That way, you can separate the MSG-1

and

MSG-2 received data streams and take half as long to fill up your

hard

disk!

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Mads Olander Rasmussen wrote:
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Finally i reverted to the old EKU and tellicast versions and data-flow
resumed (which left me with a data gap of about 5 hours.... )

'old' PC:
P III, 733 MHz
512 mb ram
ata-133 disks
Win XP SP2.

I read some of the changelogs for the updates and except for general
bug-fixing and a few load-enhancements I can't find that many changes.
Do anyone know if running the old versions (eku:3.51, tellicast
2.4.0a )
will cause any serious problems ?

Cheers,
Mads

Hi, Mads!

I think the changes are really fairly minor, and should reduce the chance of data loss when the higher rate data is added. I don't think that running the old versions will cause serious problems, particularly if you select just the data you want by choosing the appropriate PIDs (i.e. let the hardware on the SkyStar card filter the data /before/ it reaches TelliCast).

My main receiver PC is 1GHz Pentium 3, with 512MB of memory, and the new eToken RTE seemed to work OK on that PC. Of all the things which have given problems, it seems to be the "simplest" thing which has caused the most problems. I would suggest contacting Ops at EUMETSAT to see if they have any more information.

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Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:
[]

Anyway, if the data collected in &#92;received, the eumetcast part of the
receiving side can be regarded as working at least for that phase,
where no interaction takes place with other software. Unfortunately,
David seems to be out for some time. So, it's a bit like walking in
thick fog... But at least, this is what it's all about, ins't it? :)

Regards,
U.

I was watching from afar, but I didn't feel I had a lot to contribute. With eToken issues, it's probably best to ask EUMETSAT, and check out their trouble-shooting guide:

http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/EUMETCast-trouble-shooting-guide.html

By the way, that document recommends a RAMdisk size of at least 60MB. I am experimenting with 45MB on a test system which only has 512MB of memory, and some of that is used for video (I'm not recommending sucha system, by the way).

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Hi!

I just updated our two reception machines (one new machine receiving
both MSG-1 and MSG-2, and one old just for AVHRR-HRPT) and experienced
somewhat similar difficulties to the ones experienced by Ulrich. On the
new machine all updates were done in less than 10 minutes without any
problems. On the old machine on the other hand, nothing worked after
installing the updates. After numerous tries of
un-installing/re-installing/installing I think I narrowed the problem
down to the EKU-software update. If this software was updated, the
tellicast software didn't seem to get hold of the Etoken properly. It
didn't cause the usual "Key missing" reports but just caused the
data-channels to get lost, and only the announcement channel to be
listed as "connecting". The results was a green satellite icon, but a
yellow 'T' and no data coming through.
Finally i reverted to the old EKU and tellicast versions and data-flow
resumed (which left me with a data gap of about 5 hours.... )

'old' PC:
P III, 733 MHz
512 mb ram
ata-133 disks
Win XP SP2.

I read some of the changelogs for the updates and except for general
bug-fixing and a few load-enhancements I can't find that many changes.
Do anyone know if running the old versions (eku:3.51, tellicast 2.4.0a )
will cause any serious problems ?

Cheers,
Mads

Ulrich.Kliegis@kliegis.de 21-05-2006 13:59 >>>

On 21 May 2006 at 11:34, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

Hope to be able to post some closing remarks

Unfortunately, not yet. BIOS, drivers, EKU and Eumetcast software
updated, but no difference. As a last resort with that mobo, I'll get a

separate USB PCI board tomorrow and will try that. If that doesn't work

then, the mobo will have to find a new home.

It seems that the mobo manufacturer stopped the development of new
Bioses for this specific board in 2001. Bad sign.

Cheers etc.,

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geojohnt@aol.com wrote:
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Got back home to find MSG D M stuck on 12:30 cycle but Zone Alarm
'traffic
light' showing data flow, green satellite icon and 'pink T' - 'Oh
dear, now
what?'
Brief panic till I read the EUMETSAT messages.

Trouble is I'll have holes in an interesting animation.

Regards,
John Tellick.

Perhaps you could have used MSG-2 data to fill in the gaps in MSG-1 operation!

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Giuseppe Cico wrote:
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If I wasn't at work I'd switched temporarily to MSG-2, so I wondered
if in the future we can schedule such changeovers when MSG-1 will be
the backup sat.
David, this is yours... if it's possible... :-)
Have a good evening, ciao
Giuseppe

Giuseppe,

I have been trying to get a clear picture from EUMETSAT of exactly how MSG-1 and MSG-2 might co-exist - in the case of MSG-1 having to provide emergency coverage in case of an MSG-2 outage, for example. I want to understand how the Data Channel 5 and Data Channel 6 might be used in such circumstances.....

I am sure that nearer the switch-over time more details will be announced.

I will try and make my own MSG Data Manager software fit in with EUMETSAT's proposals.

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a_van_belle wrote:

Running MSG data manager twice on the same box will result in data
loss. The decoded files do not carry MSG1 or MSG2 in the filename so
images will be overwritten unless you use completely different paths
for both copies of MDM running !

But you don't /have/ to get data loss. You can to this by naming the second copy with a different executable name (such as MsgDataManager-2.exe), and placing it in a different directory (so that you get separate log files). That way, you can separate the MSG-1 and MSG-2 received data streams and take half as long to fill up your hard disk!

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Hello Rob,

Thank you, now the program run for the first test in the non-gui Mode.
I must start "xrit2pic.exe" and not only "xrit2pic". I do not understand
why?

Thanks again Ludger.

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Hello, Ludger.

Start xrit2pic in a command shell; then you can see (error) messages.
Try:
xrit2pic -h
This will give you all options, including examples.

Note that there is also a -test option. If you add this option then xrit2pic
will not generate anything, but will just tell you what it would generate
without this -test option.

Try following command:
xrit2pic -nogui -test

This should give you a (long) list of actions; without the -test option this
would generate pictures for all items, so all satellites/all channels/all
times.

If nothing is reported then probably some settings are wrong; start xrit2pic
the same way (so type the command in the command shell) without options.
Now check the settings.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Rob.

Btw, you may mail me off-list:
r@alblas.demon.nl



lehep wrote:

Hello,

i am new to MSG via satelitt. My PC and SkySat-Card run good. And i
get very good results with XRIT2PIC (A very good program) Now i try to
use XRIT2PIC with noguimode. And nothing happens, no log

Can somebody explain me: How i use the nongui-Mode

Ciao Ludger.

Enzo,
have you set properly maximum for fsy file?
I have set to 50M, and I currently run with 35.5M wide fsy file due to
updates currently sent.
Making ramdisk 128M wide should be useful.
What's your total memory? I agree with Arne that you must have ram for
system...
I have 2G of memory, use a 256M ramdisk, and maximum use as stated by task
manager is more or less 1400M.
Ciao
Giuseppe

No update needed for xrit2pic.
New data just pops up in the list.

Btw, unfortunately MSG-1 and 2 are too close together/too far away from
the earth to get stereographic images...

Rob Alblas.

hcwit wrote:

Hi Enzo,

300 Mb might be too large, you have to keep some memory for Windows !
You do not need 300 MB by the way, try 50 or 64 Mb first.
If you want more than 128 MB you have to change the geometry first,
set 1024 Bytes per sector instead of 512.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Vincenzo Mone" <vimone@...> wrote:

Hi to the list,

i would like to increase the Ram disk but havin problem

I tried to increase a roughle 300 MB but when I restart the computer

the Ram

disk Z:&#92; disappear from the explorer file and ha asl made the S.O.

go crazy.

When I try to runprograms I get error and the programs does not run.

How to solve it.

I have already tried to re format the pc but having again the proble.

What is themaxium I can set the RamDisk?

Thanks.

Enzo

Hi to the list,

i would like to increase the Ram disk but havin problem

I tried to increase a roughle 300 MB but when I restart the computer the Ram
disk Z:&#92; disappear from the explorer file and ha asl made the S.O. go crazy.

When I try to runprograms I get error and the programs does not run.

How to solve it.

I have already tried to re format the pc but having again the proble.

What is themaxium I can set the RamDisk?

Thanks.

Enzo

On 21 May 2006 at 19:30, a_van_belle wrote:

TelliCast builds up every file in &#92;receiving&#92;temp first.
Only when the file is complete it is being released and moved to the
received folder. This does prevent programs trying to access
uncompleted files. But this does imply that, if this folder is on
RAMdisk, you need double the space to hold the 25 MB update files !

Wasn't there some obscure command in MS-DOS 4.x or so that
allowed to link several partitions together to form a bigger one ...


Windows XP - from the people who brought you EDLIN!

Regards,
U.

On 21 May 2006 at 13:59, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

updated, but no difference. As a last resort with that mobo, I'll get
a separate USB PCI board tomorrow and will try that. If that doesn't
work then, the mobo will have to find a new home.

Found a USB board in my vast collection, after disabling all on-board
USBs and all other unneeded peripherals, the thing looked a bit more
stable, but after 30 minutes or so, the same picture.

Just asked myself if installing XP Pro would possibly help? But I
anticipate your comments already, if the machine is unstable under
win2k already, don't bother with XP... Or?

BTW, I also ran long memtest (memtest86), just to be sure, but as
expected, not a single error.

Now, the eToken hangs on a board that has nothing to do with the VIA
USBs, yet the same error phenomena appear. It blinks occasionally
when files are written to &#92;received, and it looks invalid after some time
to the tellicast software.

Interestingly, tellicast continues to show the input data stream diagram,
just the conversion does not take place.

So, should I try to install XP, or better get a different machine? The
CPU, btw., is an Athlon 800.

Any other ideas, e.g. regarding interrupt conflicts that don't get evident
in the device manager?

Thanks for your patience, altogether, to follow this.

Cheers,
U.

Hi all,
am I right in thinking that sometime in the near future,when the
msg2 trials have finished, we are going to need to change over ( in
David's data manager ) from msg1 to msg2.
Is there going to be a given date/time for this, or is it something we
just sort of "drift" into?
Or have I misunderstood something?
regards John.

John there is a well established and published timetable for this.
Assuming the commissioning/trials of MSG-2 continue well then MSG-2
(Meteosat 9) will take over for Meteosat 8 on the 1st August 2006 when
Meteosat 8 will become the back-up satellite.
At that stage it should be a simple matter of selecting MSG-2 on David's
program.
During July MSG-2 will be decontaminated and then relocated to 0� before
becoming operational on 1st August.
Less clear at the moment is what channels will be used ie will Meteosat 9
HRIT be on channel 2 etc.
Expect more information on this nearer the time.
Hope that helps.

Regards
Douglas.

Hello James,

I don't have folder received on my ramdisk, yet at 25 MB it proved to
be too small.
This is because I use the RAMdisk to store the 0.fsy and also for
temporary file cache. (entry "temp_directory=z:&#92;receiving/temp" in
recv-channels.ini)

TelliCast builds up every file in &#92;receiving&#92;temp first.
Only when the file is complete it is being released and moved to the
received folder. This does prevent programs trying to access
uncompleted files.
But this does imply that, if this folder is on RAMdisk, you need
double the space to hold the 25 MB update files !

Currently my 0.fsy is stretched to around 34 to 37 MB at every update
being send. Only restarting TC will get the size back to the "normal"
8 to 13 MB.
Even when receiving the MSG-2 trial data, my 0.fsy remained below 15
MB so the problem we see now is only caused by the large sized update
files.

Unfortunately you cannot turn off the reception of the update, even if
you run the new version. So up to May 31st we will have to hold on.
After that date 0.fsy will return to normal size and a smaller RAM
disk will be usable again.
That remains the question on how large the METOP files will be in the
future !

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, James Brown <satellite@...> wrote:

Just to comment that the main problem here was that in my use of the
ramdisk I had put both the received and receiving folders onto the
ramdisk - which works just fine - but when the 0.fsy increased to over
30Mb that plus the received updates killed the processing as it

exceeded

the ramdisk level. Now that I have increased that to 150Mb all is

fine -

though I don't know if the fsy will ever return to the previous low
levels.

Cheers
James
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Hi all,
am I right in thinking that sometime in the near future,when the
msg2 trials have finished, we are going to need to change over ( in
David's data manager ) from msg1 to msg2.
Is there going to be a given date/time for this, or is it something we
just sort of "drift" into?
Or have I misunderstood something?
regards John.

hallo i have a qestion how mus /can i update the software from msg-1
to msg-2 i dont no

gr hans

I assume you mean the processing software. David has brought out a new version of MSG Data Manager (v 2.5.0) which includes an option to process either MSG-1 or MSG-2 raw data. This is a major upgrade which includes many other updates and new features and will require a new registration at minimal cost for existing licensed users.
You can download it from David's site and there is a 30 day trial period.
Go to :-

http://www.david-taylor.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/software/msg_dm.htm

Hope that helps.

Regards
Douglas.