Ok, after enjoying a simple 5 minute upgrade to the new Tellicast/EKU
software and a couple of weeks of perfect lossless reception following
the upgrade, a problem has suddenly developed and I am stumped as to
how to solve it.

About a week ago, my reception PC (Thinkpad T22 laptop, PIII 1GHz,
512Mb, 64Mb RAMDisk) started locking up completely. The first time I
even noticed in fact was when my entire network 'went down' - all my
network storage disappeared and I was unable to view web pages. After
thinking my switch had failed I realised it was the MSG laptop! As
soon as I switched it off, the network recovered. After a week of
testing, I find that MSG reception is fine for ~45 minutes then the PC
locks totally.

Today I have tried using a spare (more powerful) Thinkpad T23 laptop,
PIII 1.2GHz, 1Gb RAM, 128Mb RAMDisk, and a totally clean install of
Skystar drivers, EKU and Tellicast software. EXACTLY the same thing is
happening - reception is fine for 30-45 minutes and then the machine
locks totally.

I'm thinking it can't be software related - I have run 4.4.0 Skystar
drivers for weeks before the Tellicast upgrade and at least 2 or 3
weeks after the Tellicast upgrade. I can only think it must be the
Skystar USB unit failing.

Normally, my reception machine runs David's MSG Data Manager along
with AVHRR Manager. I have tried running the machines with only the
Tellicast software running i.e no processing and STILL the machine
hangs so I guess that rules out any issue with the MSG Toolset software.

Has anybody else suffered in a similar way or can anybody suggest if
there are any log files that might give any more clues? It's not often
I am at a loss as to what to do next but I am loathe to spend another
75 pounds or so on a new Skystar USB unit if that isn't the problem!

Any comments/experiences would be appreciated.

Jonathan

Serdar Surer wrote:

Hi everybody, I was wondering if I can use the MSG Data Manager from
time to time when I bring raw data ( not gathering from using
tellicast as a batch operation, but manually taking from our state of
meteorology) and put them into the directory of source data??

Have a nice day..

Serdar,

Providing the data is exactly the same as the data broadcast over the EUMETCast system, using the MSG Data Manager in this way is fine. There is also an option to read a set of files into the program (File, Open scan menu).

By the way, as this is about my software, it would have been more appropriate in the SatSignal group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SatSignal/

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Peter I have no doubt this will be a very relevant issue. With something
between 15 and 20 additional channels from the EPS data when it starts,
several with max rates more than that of our existing channels, throughputs
will be well in excess of USB boxes capability. I would hope that
Technisat may soon produce a USB 2.0 box as several other manufacturers are
now doing (I believe).
However if careful choice is made of the data actually wanted, perhaps it
will be possible to keep throughput down. I would anticipate (looking at
the Metop instrumentation) that much of that data will only be wanted by the
most enthusiastic of amateur meteorologists !

Douglas,

Thank you for your response which is much as I expected. I do prefer the USB box which
removes a major heat source from within the case and gives a good indication of data
reception via the LED.

I added a further 1024MB of DDR 400 memory to my receiving/processing machine
this morning taking the total to 2048MB. My EKU account had MSG2 data added today
data is flowing as from 0900UTC.

Receive/Processing System :-
Pentium IV 3.2 [Prescott] HT
Abit IC7 Max 3
2048MB DDR PC3200 400
1 x 200GB + 1 x 1 x 160GB (Ambient Temp 18.0C) Disks 26.0C
60 MB Ram Disk (Superspeed Software RamDisk Plus 8)
Diskeeper V10

Regards,

Peter

Processing:
MSG1 - HRIT, FSD, AVHRR, ATOVS, MPEF, RSS, SAF and DWDSAT
MSG2 - HRIT and LRIT

Hi everybody, I was wondering if I can use the MSG Data Manager from time to time when I bring raw data ( not gathering from using tellicast as a batch operation, but manually taking from our state of meteorology) and put them into the directory of source data??

Have a nice day..


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Lawrence wrote:

I am just checking the edit of my recv.ini file because I am unsure
about the RAM disk operation. I recently increased the size to 59Mb
and now I notice that the instructions (which are for a 24Mb RAM disk,
say:
file-database-size - 24 576 000

Presumably this should (in my case) be edited to 59 576 000?

Lawrence

Lawrence, for simplicity, and easy to remember figures:

- I use a RAMdisk of "60MB" (so actually 62914560 bytes)

- I set the parameter file_database_size=60000000
(i.e. just a little less than the RAMdisk size)

At the moment, the actual FSY size is a little over 36MB, so if people were really stuck for memory 40MB or 50MB might be acceptable. It seems that if the file size is too small, only the software update files are lost.

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Having had a trouble free T-Systems upgrade I decided to install my PCI
Skystar 2 TV card replacing
a Sky2PC USB 1.1 box . The USB box supports an aggregate throughput of
8Mbps whereas the PCI
has an aggregate throughput of 42 Mbps. I was wondering if this will be
relevent considering the
forthcoming data rates to be expected over EUMETCast.

Regards,

Peter

Peter I have no doubt this will be a very relevant issue. With something
between 15 and 20 additional channels from the EPS data when it starts,
several with max rates more than that of our existing channels, throughputs
will be well in excess of USB boxes capability. I would hope that
Technisat may soon produce a USB 2.0 box as several other manufacturers are
now doing (I believe).
However if careful choice is made of the data actually wanted, perhaps it
will be possible to keep throughput down. I would anticipate (looking at
the Metop instrumentation) that much of that data will only be wanted by the
most enthusiastic of amateur meteorologists !

Regards
Douglas.

I am just checking the edit of my recv.ini file because I am unsure about the RAM disk operation. I recently increased the size to 59Mb and now I notice that the instructions (which are for a 24Mb RAM disk, say:
file-database-size - 24 576 000

Presumably this should (in my case) be edited to 59 576 000?

Lawrence

Having had a trouble free T-Systems upgrade I decided to install my PCI Skystar 2 TV card replacing
a Sky2PC USB 1.1 box . The USB box supports an aggregate throughput of 8Mbps whereas the PCI
has an aggregate throughput of 42 Mbps. I was wondering if this will be relevent considering the
forthcoming data rates to be expected over EUMETCast.

Regards,

Peter

hello Enzo,

The eToken light is normally on. When it is accessed, the light is off
for a blink of an eye.
It will be accessed almost every 10 to 30 seconds when data is flowing.
If it does not "blink off" for more than 2 minutes, you have Tellicast
not running or RTE not installed correctly.
See B1.3 at
http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/EUMETCast-trouble-shooting-guide.html

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Vincenzo Mone wrote:

Hi to the list,
just a curiosity does the EToken key has to light just light fixed
or it has to flash?
My one is lighting fixed.
Is that normal'
If not what I have to do?
Thanks
Enzo

Enzo,

The eToken should flash from time to time - about once per minute when I last checked. Perhaps more often. I suggest you try the diagnostic tests for the eToken mentioned in the EUMETSAT guide and here:

http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/EUMETCast-trouble-shooting-guide.html#B1

Ciao,
David
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Enzo,
I had some problems not related with met-sats in past days...
Reverted to ramdisk "after" or "before" using registered version?
I'm back in private, in italian, if I may be useful for a few minutes...
Ciao
Giuseppe
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MSG-1@yahoogroups.com]Per conto di
a_van_belle
Inviato: lunedì 5 giugno 2006 19.48
A: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: R: [MSG-1] Re: help


Hello Enzo,

The other settings you mentioned looks OK but this is only for MDM and
does not tell anything about Tellicast.
If the system worked before installing the RAMdisk I suggest you
carefully read over
http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/RAMdisk.pdf
Or revert to not using a RAM disk for a start.

You have to do some basic debugging to narrow down the problem.
The question is: do the files still come in ? or is MDM unable to find
them ?

You could try to find another user on the Italian MSG_1 list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msg_1/
that is willing to help you over the phone, as this is more efficient.

Good Luck,
Arne van Belle

Hi to the list,
just a curiosity does the EToken key has to light just light fixed
or it has to flash?
My one is lighting fixed.
Is that normal'
If not what I have to do?
Thanks
Enzo


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Hello Enzo,

The other settings you mentioned looks OK but this is only for MDM and
does not tell anything about Tellicast.
If the system worked before installing the RAMdisk I suggest you
carefully read over
http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/RAMdisk.pdf
Or revert to not using a RAM disk for a start.

You have to do some basic debugging to narrow down the problem.
The question is: do the files still come in ? or is MDM unable to find
them ?

You could try to find another user on the Italian MSG_1 list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msg_1/
that is willing to help you over the phone, as this is more efficient.

Good Luck,
Arne van Belle

Hi Arne,
it matches.
What about the other settings I sent trough the last e-mail?


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Hello Enzo,

I guess the line:
RECEIVED FILES LOCATION: Z:\receiving\data\
is incorrect and not matching with the location that Tellicast writes
its data to.

Look in your recv-channels.ini file for a line:
target_directory= ......

These two lines must point to the same location.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Hello Alan,

Apart from the Update folder you can delete all files that remain in
the Received folder.

A "convenient" location is one that you can remember and is easy to
type (just like the "press any key")
For example: c:\TCupdate2006

Good luck,
Arne van Belle

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Greetings All

Just hope this is the right forum - here goes. Running single-PC

system, Win XP Home, not internet-connected. Planning to stick with
just the one 0-deg. service from whatever MSG sat is providing it, no
AVHRR.

Navigating thro' Prog. Files/T-Systems/BusinessTV-IP/Received,

besides the Update folder I didn't know was there, are:

9 MSG2_AVHRR files dating from 15 Feb,
34 MSG2_GOES12 files dating from 10 & 20 Feb,
78 MSG2_MPEF files from 19 & 20 Apr,
Approx. 120 MSG2_MSG2 files from 19 & 20 Apr,
35 MSG2_MTSAT1R files from 20 Apr,
Approx. 112 MSG2_Service files dating from 10 & 19 Apr.
I can presumably just delete all these without harm, can I?

The Update folder (I think dated 15 Apr) readme suggests I unpack

[Licence.cd.v5] to a "convenient" location. What constitutes a
"convenient" location in this context, please?

Best wishes
Alan


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Hi to the list,
sorry if I make this request,
I have decided to buy the softwares of David and yesterday I done it.
I had the key.
Before I was using the MSGDM in trial mode and all on the HD.
Then I have passed to the RAMdisk.
Now I am having problems to receive I mean maybe the settings are not
correct and I want to ask if there is someone who can give me an hand to set
definitely all the programs. Maybe we can do it in Private Mail to not
disturb the ML.
Actually in the MSGDM Setup is have setted as:
FILE CONTROLS:
RECEIVED FILES LOCATION: Z:&#92;receiving&#92;data&#92;
SAVED RAW DATA LOCATION: C:&#92;MSG-1&#92;RawData&#92;
PROCESSED IMAGE FILE LOCATION: C:&#92;MSG-1&#92;Images&#92;

FILE OPTIONS:
all the boxes checked
VISIBLE SLOTS 0000 - 2345
RX WATCHDOG: 0

PROGRAM CONTROLS:
ANNOUNCE EVENTS: box checked
CLEAR IMAGES: box checked
DROP PRIORITY: box unchecked
NOTIFY SCAN END: box checked
PERSISTENT IMAGES: box checked
RX SPACE MONITOR: box checked
SKIP DATA BEFORE TODAY: box unchecked
WAIT FOR SEGMENTS: box checked


HRIT:
PROCESS CHANNEL all the boxes checked
KEEP RAW DATA: all the boxes unchecked

LRIT:
PROCESS CHANNEL all the boxes unchecked
KEEP RAW DATA: all the boxes unchecked

FSD:
PROCESS CHANNEL all the boxes checked
KEEP RAW DATA: all the boxes unchecked

MPEF:
PROCESS CHANNEL all the boxes unchecked
KEEP RAW DATA: all the boxes unchecked

MDD:
COPY MDD DATA: all the boxes unchecked
COPY MDD DATA: all the boxes unchecked
MDD RETENTION: 0

SAF:
COPY SAF DATA: all the boxes unchecked
COPY MDD DATA: all the boxes unchecked
SAF RETENTION: 0
SEA ICE RETENTION: 0
LSA RETENTION: 0
SCAT RETENTION: 0
UNZIP SAF FILES: box unchecked
ATOVS RETENTION: 0
RSS RETENTION: 0
DWD RETENTION: 0

OTHER:
COPY CH. 1 DATA: all the boxes unchecked
COPY BMD/DWDSAT: all the boxes unchecked
COPY CH. 1 DATA: box checked
MANAGE BMD/DWD: box unchecked
UNZIP CH. 1 DATA: box unchecked
These are my settings.
I left the program receiving for this morning till now and all I can see is:

MSG HRIT:
1: Black BOX
2: Black BOX
3: Black BOX
4: none
5: none
6: none
7: none
8: none
9: none
10: none
11: none
12: Black Box

MSG LRIT:
1: Black BOX
2: Black BOX
3: none
4: none
5: none
6: none
7: none
8: none
9: none

WORLD FSD:
I can see only all Meteosat -5 and Meteosat-7

Any help will be really appreciated.
Sorry for the long message.


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"T" is finally pink now !

All works quite well and no segments missing.
Many thanks to everybody for help.

Best regards
Gerard
F6BEK

Hello All, I am a new user of MSG Data Manager (lets say I will be,
as soon as possible). I have got some questions about general
management of the software and it would make me very happy if you
can help me.

First of all, I am not going to have the level 1.5 data by
tellicast, our state of meteorology is going to send the files to
the selected directory/folder of my receiving computer's harddisk
via internet using the ftp connection that I will provide, they will
send files as .rar format that each rar file is going to be
approximately 90-100 mb. Then, I will write a converting program by
Visual C#.Net that opens the rar files and puts their ingredients to
another folder, then the msg data manager that is working on another
computer which is connected to the receiving computer by network
will use that second folder as the source of raw data and after
converting to jpg send to a third folder which will contain the
jpg's. And finally, I will write a querying program which will be
used by my two instructors, the program will bring the selected jpg
of having the wanted criteria.

Here are my questions;

1)Do you see any susceptible or problematic stage on the system that
I want to implement?
2)What is the best efficient connecting method of those computers to
eachother and the querying computers that my instructors will use?

Thank you for your attention, I will have some more questions of
course :)
Merci..

Greetings All

Just hope this is the right forum - here goes. Running single-PC system, Win XP Home, not internet-connected. Planning to stick with just the one 0-deg. service from whatever MSG sat is providing it, no AVHRR.

Navigating thro' Prog. Files/T-Systems/BusinessTV-IP/Received, besides the Update folder I didn't know was there, are:
9 MSG2_AVHRR files dating from 15 Feb,
34 MSG2_GOES12 files dating from 10 & 20 Feb,
78 MSG2_MPEF files from 19 & 20 Apr,
Approx. 120 MSG2_MSG2 files from 19 & 20 Apr,
35 MSG2_MTSAT1R files from 20 Apr,
Approx. 112 MSG2_Service files dating from 10 & 19 Apr.
I can presumably just delete all these without harm, can I?

The Update folder (I think dated 15 Apr) readme suggests I unpack [Licence.cd.v5] to a "convenient" location. What constitutes a "convenient" location in this context, please?

Best wishes
Alan