That's good news David. Though I have all my update files downloaded I have not installed them yet, partly because I have been a bit busy but also because some of the problems people have been having reminded me of the awful time I had last time around. I shall want to receive the METOP data when they become available but meanwhile I shall sit tight receiving perfect data without any trouble. The updates can await the posting of the step by step guide.

Robert





--On 29 May 2006 14:36 +0100 David J Taylor <gm8arv@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

ALAN GARD wrote:

Hi folks

With all the problems being reported surrounding MSG-2 I'm seriously
considering whether this method of acquiring weather info. in future
is really for me, something of a computerphobe. I'm not attempting
to download the test data, obviously, therefore. Perhaps approaching
it in stages is best.

To start with, I don't understand it when David says:
"T systems Hotbird 13E" is incorrect.
You should select: "EUMETCast :: Hotbird 13 E" instead.

On my system, Setup4PC/Satellite settings tab/shows "Satellite:
Hotbird"

"Status" button/Transponder status screen/Transponder information
block, after "acquiring", shows "Network: T-Systems", "Orbital
Position: 013.0 East"

"Data Services" button/Transponder block shows "EUMETCast:10853MHz"
and Provider Name block shows "EUMETCast:" Unicast MAC Filter box
shows: "MAC address 00 D0 D7 0C A3 A9"

It all seems to be working OK at the moment for MSG-1.

Question 1: Is this right? Question 2: If not, what exactly do I
need to do about it, please? It all seems to be working OK at the
moment for MSG-1.

Cheers
Alan

Alan,

When I refer to "T systems Hotbird 13E" is incorrect" I mean when you
right-click the green satellite icon in the system tray area. A pop-up
menu appears listing the satellites, and if you select T-Systems rather
than EUMETCast you will get the wrong settings. It is indeed confusing
that, as you state, Status/Network shows "T-Systems", but it due to the
fact that EUMETCast data is carried over the T-Systems network!

I am hoping that the transition to MSG-2 will be painless, and that the
problems will be restricted to the parallel running period we are now in.
Until EUMETSAT announce exactly what is to happen, you can carry on
enjoying the high-quality Meteosat-8 (MSG-1) data just as you are doing
right now, without any further action on your part.

Nearer the time, I expect there will be a step-by-step guide posted as to
exactly what changes to make and how to make them. With well over 600
folks here to help, you are not alone.

Cheers,
David

44 (0) 1352 714456

ALAN GARD wrote:

Hi folks

With all the problems being reported surrounding MSG-2 I'm seriously
considering whether this method of acquiring weather info. in future
is really for me, something of a computerphobe. I'm not attempting
to download the test data, obviously, therefore. Perhaps approaching
it in stages is best.

To start with, I don't understand it when David says:
"T systems Hotbird 13E" is incorrect.
You should select: "EUMETCast :: Hotbird 13 E" instead.

On my system, Setup4PC/Satellite settings tab/shows "Satellite:
Hotbird"

"Status" button/Transponder status screen/Transponder information
block, after "acquiring", shows "Network: T-Systems", "Orbital
Position: 013.0 East"

"Data Services" button/Transponder block shows "EUMETCast:10853MHz"
and Provider Name block shows "EUMETCast:" Unicast MAC Filter box
shows: "MAC address 00 D0 D7 0C A3 A9"

It all seems to be working OK at the moment for MSG-1.

Question 1: Is this right? Question 2: If not, what exactly do I
need to do about it, please? It all seems to be working OK at the
moment for MSG-1.

Cheers
Alan

Alan,

When I refer to "T systems Hotbird 13E" is incorrect" I mean when you right-click the green satellite icon in the system tray area. A pop-up menu appears listing the satellites, and if you select T-Systems rather than EUMETCast you will get the wrong settings. It is indeed confusing that, as you state, Status/Network shows "T-Systems", but it due to the fact that EUMETCast data is carried over the T-Systems network!

I am hoping that the transition to MSG-2 will be painless, and that the problems will be restricted to the parallel running period we are now in. Until EUMETSAT announce exactly what is to happen, you can carry on enjoying the high-quality Meteosat-8 (MSG-1) data just as you are doing right now, without any further action on your part.

Nearer the time, I expect there will be a step-by-step guide posted as to exactly what changes to make and how to make them. With well over 600 folks here to help, you are not alone.

Cheers,
David
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ALAN GARD wrote:

Hi folks
With all the problems being reported surrounding MSG-2 I'm seriously
considering whether this method of acquiring weather info. in future
is really for me, something of a computerphobe. I'm not attempting
to download the test data, obviously, therefore. Perhaps approaching
it in stages is best. To start with, I don't understand it when David says:
"T systems Hotbird 13E" is incorrect.
You should select: "EUMETCast :: Hotbird 13 E" instead.
On my system, Setup4PC/Satellite settings tab/shows "Satellite:
Hotbird" "Status" button/Transponder status screen/Transponder information
block, after "acquiring", shows "Network: T-Systems", "Orbital
Position: 013.0 East" "Data Services" button/Transponder block shows "EUMETCast:10853MHz"
and Provider Name block shows "EUMETCast:" Unicast MAC Filter box
shows: "MAC address 00 D0 D7 0C A3 A9" It all seems to be working OK at the moment for MSG-1.
Question 1: Is this right? Question 2: If not, what exactly do I
need to do about it, please? It all seems to be working OK at the
moment for MSG-1. Cheers
Alan

[Replies in the MSG-1 Yahoo group, please. David]





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Ulrich,
apologies to all for being briefly off-topic, but it's simply that my aged personal grey ram chips, seem to recall the need to oft restart the Sinclair, and long periods of waiting - perhaps it's a figment of that tired memory's imagination. My "48" is also still in a box in the loft - and it's probably best that it stays there until one of my bereaved children offers it up to the Antiques Roadshow!

Regards,
Terence.

Sorry to hear of your problems, Terence.

I have the new TelliCast client software installed on two Windows 2000 Pro
systems (as an upgrade) and one as a fresh install on a Windows XP Home
system, and it seems to be the best TelliCast software yet.

Could I repeat what has been said here before - if the SkyStar software is
working correctly, there is no need to upgrade it. V4.3.0 continues (I
believe) to be EUMETSAT's recommended version. Perhaps you can find some
way to remove the new (and perhaps unwanted) version?

I hope others can benefit from your experience.

Cheers,
David

David,
firstly, I should apologise to Arne for mis-spelling his name!

Thanks for you comments and concern. In the hope that this may be of
some use to other upgraders, I'll relate the situation as briefly as I can.

My system is W2K Pro SP4 and I use the Sky2PC-USB Rx, NOT the PC Card -
I probably should have mentioned that before.

The upgrade of the EKU software (recommended by Eumetsat), Skystar
software and Tellicast software, resulted in the cyclic involuntary
re-booting.
Even in the limited 2 minutes of seemingly perfect reception each time,
the new HTML shell appeared, as you say, to be a considerable improvement.
I took John Say's advice and removed everything (even the hardware
driver and EKU and software) and went for a totally new installation.

The EKU RTE installed and caused no problems whatsoever. The Technisat
Skystar software ( which, incidentally, is notated as v 4.3.0a and I
assumed to be the one everybody is now using ) caused an unrequested
re-boot within the two minutes. BSOD still whipped by too quickly to
read, but 'DRIVER' was mentioned at the beginning of the error message.
The W2K Skystar Readme file calls for removal of the B2 USB driver and
may perhaps automatically install the PC card one. However, I had
checked that I ended up with the correct USB driver, but there is
obviously some conflict.

I uninstalled the v4.3.0a and reinstalled my trusty old v4.2.11 which
immediately stabilised everything.

The subsequent installation of the new Tellicast software was faultless.

All is now up and running perfectly, with Channel 5 additionally enabled
and receiving, but I have yet to go beyond this.

I do not recall sitting through so many re-boots since acquiring my
first Sinclair device a little while ago!

Thank you all for your help,
Terence.

Is it only me, or do others see that too:

When setting the parameters for MSG-1 and the RAM-disk in rec-
channels.ini, I used the character 'r' for the drive definition. Tellicast
seemed to put the data to Nirvana, but neither on the RAM-disk nor
anywhere else.

Then I saw that statement about the UNIX-background of Tellicast,
differentiating between / an &#92; in the folder definition. Well, a lesson
learnt in early days was that UNIX is very case-sensitive. Changed 'r' to
'R', and bingo, there were &#92;receiving and &#92;received on RAM-disk R:,
being filled with data.

Not the machine stability problem I mentioned in an earlier message,
but maybe helpful for others.

Or is it again just me?

Tschüß,

U.

On 29 May 2006 at 10:45, Terence O'Hanlon Smith wrote:

The upgrade of the EKU software (recommended by Eumetsat), Skystar
software and Tellicast software, resulted in the cyclic involuntary
re-booting.

Strange. Same here, but not immediately after the upgrade, rather a
few days later. 98SE, which I have removed from the computer now
(for some other reasons, but this cyclic rebooting was the trigger.).
Under win2K, that machine has some unexpected difficulties which I
am still working on or around.

I uninstalled the v4.3.0a and reinstalled my trusty old v4.2.11 which
immediately stabilised everything.

Very interesting to hear, I'll give that a try later on too.

I do not recall sitting through so many re-boots since acquiring my
first Sinclair device a little while ago!

You had a re-booting Sinclair? My first Sinclair (still living in its box in a
drawer here) was that little pocket calculator, using RPN... Spent a
fortune on that, and whenever I really needed it, the batteries were
gone or I misplaced the manual :( ), so the nature of the problems
persists... :)

Not glad, but relieved to hear that others fight similar problems...

Cheers,

U.

Peter Burden wrote:
[]

Thank you David and to those members who replied to my request for
help.
I have updated the EKU and the Telicast software with no problems
other than the MSG-2 data is not recorded, so I must now assume that
I did not apply for that service although I my memory said otherwise.
Eumetsat must have emailed that the update was available in the T-
Sytems folder and I my eyes were not attached. Some MSG-2 IR data
was being received on my system about 14 days ago.
The last time I received software via satellite was years ago before
internet, in the early days of PACSAT.

Peter.

Peter, you do know that the MSG-2 data is being carried on different data streams, I presume? You may need to edit your recv-channels.ini to get this, and you may have lost any edits in the TelliCast upgrade. See:

http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/index.html#DataChannels

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--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...> wrote:

Peter,

MSG-2 commissioning data is only being sent to those who have

applied to

EUMETSAT to have their eToken enabled. It is up and running at

this

moment.

The software updates will appear in a sub-directory of your

received

folder, so places to look are:

C:&#92;Tellique&#92;received&#92;updates&#92;

C:&#92;Program Files&#92;T-Systems&#92;BusinessTV-IP&#92;received&#92;updates&#92;

If you have a RAMdisk smaller than 25MB, you may not get the

software

updates. If you don't have an eToken, you won't get the updates

either.

If you have placed the TelliCast temporary files on too small a

disk you

won't get the updates (you would only do this by editing the

recv.ini or

recv-channels.ini files).

TechniSat 4.3 is fine - no need to upgrade, but you should try and

get the

TelliCast V2.4.4 B client upgrade.

Cheers,
David

Thank you David and to those members who replied to my request for
help.
I have updated the EKU and the Telicast software with no problems
other than the MSG-2 data is not recorded, so I must now assume that
I did not apply for that service although I my memory said otherwise.
Eumetsat must have emailed that the update was available in the T-
Sytems folder and I my eyes were not attached. Some MSG-2 IR data
was being received on my system about 14 days ago.
The last time I received software via satellite was years ago before
internet, in the early days of PACSAT.

Peter.

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Lawrence wrote:

Yesterday evening I decided to do the software changes - EKU and
Tellicast updates. I knew there would be a problem of some form so I
was not too concerned when, after the EKU upgrade, the data is no
longer saved. The log file shows 'missing key xxxx' and (therefore) '
failed to decode...'. I realised this morning that had I been using
my brain properly, I could easily have set up a different computer to
receive normally so that I had a fall-back system.

I have therefore so far only upgraded the EKU software. I checked the
EKU readme file so I am a little uncertain about my next debug idea.
Help gratefully received.

Lawrence

Lawrence,

Suggestions, rather than "known good" help:

- roll back the eToken software to RTE V3.51 (perhaps use System Restore?)

- ensure things are again OK

- upgrade just the TelliCast client software to V2.4.4 B, and ensure that works OK.

- after a while of correct operation, retry the eToken upgrade. If that doesn't work, roll back to RTE V3.51 and report the problems to Ops at EUMETSAT.

I'm not sure if the RTE 3.65 upgrade is mandatory, or simply the most recent release, but at least one other person reported problems here. See messages around:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MSG-1/message/7163

Don't touch the SkyStar software if it's working OK.

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Yesterday evening I decided to do the software changes - EKU and Tellicast updates. I knew there would be a problem of some form so I was not too concerned when, after the EKU upgrade, the data is no longer saved. The log file shows 'missing key xxxx' and (therefore) ' failed to decode...'. I realised this morning that had I been using my brain properly, I could easily have set up a different computer to receive normally so that I had a fall-back system.

I have therefore so far only upgraded the EKU software. I checked the EKU readme file so I am a little uncertain about my next debug idea. Help gratefully received.

Lawrence

Terence and others,

When I performed the upgrade of T-Systems onto a PC that was running
the previous version, all was well.

However, my persistant fiddling and tweaking turned my system into a
complete dog's breakfast - one aspect of which is an inability to
uninstall the Technisat software. If you can't uninstall it, you
can't reinstall it - so the terrors of regedit await me on that.
To keep going, I transfered everything on to my server PC and did a
fresh install of the new T-Systems software, Technisat and eToken.
You can imagine how I felt when it all locked up! Some of this was
down to a wonky install of Diskeeper10. Corrected that and left
everything running over night. Result: lost segments all over the
place and avhrr images looking like zebra crossings.
I investigated recv.ini. I had already transfered recv-channels.ini
(with ch5 and ch6 now hashed out) so there was no problem there.
recv.ini was a different matter as it had a lot of extras in it and
different values. I replaced this with my original one (from Arne's
RAMDisk recommendations). Lo and behold, no dropped segments...so
far.
Terence, my suggestion is boot up into safe mode, uninstall every
thing, check the hardware in device manager, reinstalling drivers if
necessary. Reboot and see if the PC runs without the satellite stuff
on it. If you get a BSOD at least you may get time to read it.
If all runs well, go through the reinstall process again.

Good luck

John Say



John,

a timely reminder that, when you think you are suffering
badly, there is always someone worse off than yourself!

Thank you for your very helpful suggestions, I'll put them into
practice straight after this cup of tea.

It seems that my Bank Holiday Monday is probably almost entirely spoken
for! Good luck with yours too ................. both the computer and/or
the holiday!

All the best,
Terence.

Terence O'Hanlon Smith wrote:
[]

Perhaps I should have listened to Arnie.................

Arne's advice is always worth listening to....

........... I installed the new software, including the
Skystar update, and my hitherto totally reliable 24/7 Rx machine (
W2000Pro) initially boots up perfectly and reception commences for
about two minutes. I am then presented with a momentary blue screen
(of death) - which disappears so rapidly that I cannot pause it to
read the error messages! The computer immediately automatically
re-boots and the cycle is repeated .........
.................. closing down the programmes on
re-booting does not prevent the inevitable and ensuing crash. Even
removing the Technisat software didn't stop it. I haven't yet removed
the Tellicast software as well, just in case someone has experienced
anything similar and has an answer.

Yours in hope,
Terence Smith.

Sorry to hear of your problems, Terence.

I have the new TelliCast client software installed on two Windows 2000 Pro systems (as an upgrade) and one as a fresh install on a Windows XP Home system, and it seems to be the best TelliCast software yet.

Could I repeat what has been said here before - if the SkyStar software is working correctly, there is no need to upgrade it. V4.3.0 continues (I believe) to be EUMETSAT's recommended version. Perhaps you can find some way to remove the new (and perhaps unwanted) version?

I hope others can benefit from your experience.

Cheers,
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Peter Burden wrote:

A couple of weels ago I installed Msgmanager250 and I was receiving a
small amount of data in MSG-2 but I have checked today I am not
receiving any MSG-2 data.

My last sofware which I received was T-Systems 2.4.0a and Technisat
4.3

There has been a discussion re people receiving new software during
the last week but I have not received any update.

Please can someone advise ?.

Peter.

Peter,

MSG-2 commissioning data is only being sent to those who have applied to EUMETSAT to have their eToken enabled. It is up and running at this moment.

The software updates will appear in a sub-directory of your received folder, so places to look are:

C:&#92;Tellique&#92;received&#92;updates&#92;

C:&#92;Program Files&#92;T-Systems&#92;BusinessTV-IP&#92;received&#92;updates&#92;

If you have a RAMdisk smaller than 25MB, you may not get the software updates. If you don't have an eToken, you won't get the updates either.

If you have placed the TelliCast temporary files on too small a disk you won't get the updates (you would only do this by editing the recv.ini or recv-channels.ini files).

TechniSat 4.3 is fine - no need to upgrade, but you should try and get the TelliCast V2.4.4 B client upgrade.

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--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, Terence O'Hanlon Smith <tohs@...> wrote:

a_van_belle wrote:

EUMETSAT recommends that users upgrade the Tellicast Client

software."

Again there is no need to update the Skystar software !

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Perhaps I should have listened to Arnie.................

........... I installed the new software, including

the

Skystar update, and my hitherto totally reliable 24/7 Rx machine (
W2000Pro) initially boots up perfectly and reception commences for
about two minutes. I am then presented with a momentary blue

screen (of

death) - which disappears so rapidly that I cannot pause it to read

the

error messages! The computer immediately automatically re-boots and

the

cycle is repeated .........
.................. closing down the programmes on re-

booting

does not prevent the inevitable and ensuing crash. Even removing

the

Technisat software didn't stop it. I haven't yet removed the

Tellicast

software as well, just in case someone has experienced anything

similar

and has an answer.

Yours in hope,
Terence Smith.

Terence and others,

When I performed the upgrade of T-Systems onto a PC that was running
the previous version, all was well.

However, my persistant fiddling and tweaking turned my system into a
complete dog's breakfast - one aspect of which is an inability to
uninstall the Technisat software. If you can't uninstall it, you
can't reinstall it - so the terrors of regedit await me on that.
To keep going, I transfered everything on to my server PC and did a
fresh install of the new T-Systems software, Technisat and eToken.
You can imagine how I felt when it all locked up! Some of this was
down to a wonky install of Diskeeper10. Corrected that and left
everything running over night. Result: lost segments all over the
place and avhrr images looking like zebra crossings.
I investigated recv.ini. I had already transfered recv-channels.ini
(with ch5 and ch6 now hashed out) so there was no problem there.
recv.ini was a different matter as it had a lot of extras in it and
different values. I replaced this with my original one (from Arne's
RAMDisk recommendations). Lo and behold, no dropped segments...so
far.
Terence, my suggestion is boot up into safe mode, uninstall every
thing, check the hardware in device manager, reinstalling drivers if
necessary. Reboot and see if the PC runs without the satellite stuff
on it. If you get a BSOD at least you may get time to read it.
If all runs well, go through the reinstall process again.

Good luck

John Say

a_van_belle wrote:

EUMETSAT recommends that users upgrade the Tellicast Client software."

Again there is no need to update the Skystar software !

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Perhaps I should have listened to Arnie.................

........... I installed the new software, including the
Skystar update, and my hitherto totally reliable 24/7 Rx machine (
W2000Pro) initially boots up perfectly and reception commences for
about two minutes. I am then presented with a momentary blue screen (of
death) - which disappears so rapidly that I cannot pause it to read the
error messages! The computer immediately automatically re-boots and the
cycle is repeated .........
.................. closing down the programmes on re-booting
does not prevent the inevitable and ensuing crash. Even removing the
Technisat software didn't stop it. I haven't yet removed the Tellicast
software as well, just in case someone has experienced anything similar
and has an answer.

Yours in hope,
Terence Smith.

Peter

Have you installed T-System 2.4.4 b it will be in T-System recieved called Updates.

Best of luck

John

Peter,
MSG-2 is currently online.
Just a stupid question...
You updated to Tellicast 2.4.4... have you checked config files?... are
channels 5 & 6 enabled?...
I don't remember if new software comes with all channel enabled ( [*] ) in
recv-channels.ini... I had some troubles in those days, so I don't
remember...
Anyway you have to receive since your're Etoken was enabled at the
beginnings...
Ciao
Giuseppe

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MSG-1@yahoogroups.com]Per conto di Peter
Burden
Inviato: domenica 28 maggio 2006 21.28
A: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [MSG-1] MSG-2 data


A couple of weels ago I installed Msgmanager250 and I was receiving a
small amount of data in MSG-2 but I have checked today I am not
receiving any MSG-2 data.

My last sofware which I received was T-Systems 2.4.0a and Technisat 4.3

There has been a discussion re people receiving new software during
the last week but I have not received any update.

Please can someone advise ?.

Peter.

A couple of weels ago I installed Msgmanager250 and I was receiving a
small amount of data in MSG-2 but I have checked today I am not
receiving any MSG-2 data.

My last sofware which I received was T-Systems 2.4.0a and Technisat 4.3

There has been a discussion re people receiving new software during
the last week but I have not received any update.

Please can someone advise ?.

Peter.

In a message dated 25/05/2006 13:09:36 GMT Standard Time,
Louis.Gonzalez@univ-lille1.fr writes:

Bonjour,
Do you think it will be easy to receive the MSG images in HRIT
format on a mac G5?.
Cordialement. Louis


Hello Louis,

I'm sure the EUMETSAT User Desk will answer all your questions regarding
EUMETCast and Mac.
_ops@eumetsat.int_ (mailto:ops@eumetsat.int)

Regards,
John Tellick.
Group for Earth Observation.
_www.geo-web.org.uk_ (http://www.geo-web.org.uk)