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Re: Eumetsat admin messages

Ian Deans <isdeans1.-_@...>
 

Bernard, I am certainly seeing the new " Weekly Operations Schedule " in Data Manager under Messages / Weekly Operations schedule.

What I am finding though is that the new E-UNS Weekly Reports are not being deleted from the Reports Folder per the delete settings in operation for all the messages.

Regards
Ian.


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From: "Bernard Burton" <b.j.burton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:47 PM
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [MSG-1] Eumetsat admin messages

Hello group,
I seem to be missing the weekly schedule and UNS messages on my MSG Data Manager Messages tab. I am sure I used to see these in the past. I am aware that Eumetsat have made some changes to this area, and I have installed the latest version of MSG data manager, and also added 'info-channel-2' to my received.ini list. PID 100 is open. I am getting daily admin messages, and news messages displayed on MSG Data Manager.
One second point, on the latest version of MSG DM, there is an option to select MTSAT HRIT. Does reception of this require an EKU change by Eumetsat?

Bernard Burton
Wokingham, Berkshire, UK.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

Giuseppe Cico
 

On Tue, June 16, 2009 20:58, geojohnt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 15/06/2009 20:20:33 GMT Daylight Time,
giuseppe.cico@bcico.com writes:

I'm looking at my two system's behaviour...
Both lost signal more or less at 10gmt, but PC1 was stable at 12gmt after
another loss before 11gmt, while PC2 got "ping-T-icon" after 1530gmt.
Maybe some problem while retuning PC2?... Quality/SNR graphs on MRTG show
no loss at 11-11.30gmt... what was it receiving?...


Hello Giuseppe,

There was a problem I gather with the uplink being lost ~ 11:00 (BST/GMT?)
and I saw this on some HRIT channels.
It was clear sky here at that time.

Regards,
John.
Hi John,
what I found strange is different behaviour at 11-11.30gmt of my two
systems feed with same dish:
http://www.bcico.com/meteo_page/mrtg/mrtg_1.htm .
Really they are on different output of a dual-LNB... so I guessed about
retuning problems on different card-cable-LNBoutput chain.
BTW I've set my receiving systems to GMT so events are always related to a
standard time.
Have a nice evening, ciao

Giuseppe


Eumetsat admin messages

Bernard Burton
 

Hello group,
I seem to be missing the weekly schedule and UNS messages on my MSG Data Manager Messages tab. I am sure I used to see these in the past. I am aware that Eumetsat have made some changes to this area, and I have installed the latest version of MSG data manager, and also added 'info-channel-2' to my received.ini list. PID 100 is open. I am getting daily admin messages, and news messages displayed on MSG Data Manager.
One second point, on the latest version of MSG DM, there is an option to select MTSAT HRIT. Does reception of this require an EKU change by Eumetsat?

Bernard Burton
Wokingham, Berkshire, UK.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

geojohnt@...
 

In a message dated 15/06/2009 20:20:33 GMT Daylight Time,
giuseppe.cico@bcico.com writes:

I'm looking at my two system's behaviour...
Both lost signal more or less at 10gmt, but PC1 was stable at 12gmt after
another loss before 11gmt, while PC2 got "ping-T-icon" after 1530gmt.
Maybe some problem while retuning PC2?... Quality/SNR graphs on MRTG show
no loss at 11-11.30gmt... what was it receiving?...


Hello Giuseppe,

There was a problem I gather with the uplink being lost ~ 11:00 (BST/GMT?)
and I saw this on some HRIT channels.
It was clear sky here at that time.

Regards,
John.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

Giuseppe Cico
 

On Mon, June 15, 2009 21:18, Giuseppe Cico wrote:
On Mon, June 15, 2009 20:45, geojohnt@aol.com wrote:
...
I think we were all spoilt with Hot Bird-6.
EUROBIRD-9 although (on paper) 3 dB less signal here in SE England
compared
to HB-6 I reckon was a stronger signal here than EUROBIRD-9A owing to
my
location being much nearer EB-9 beam centre than with EB-9A.

We've just had a storm here (17:50 - 18:10 GMT) and I lost lock several
times, though the rain was very heavy, it was not torrential.
Lost lock's however did not coincide with heaviest rain at dish.

Regards,
John.
I'm looking at my two system's behaviour...
Both lost signal more or less at 10gmt, but PC1 was stable at 12gmt after
another loss before 11gmt, while PC2 got "ping-T-icon" after 1530gmt.
Maybe some problem while retuning PC2?... Quality/SNR graphs on MRTG show
no loss at 11-11.30gmt... what was it receiving?...
I cannot say, since I cannot replay situation... anyway I have set again
"detuning-retuning" procedure (instead of retune-only) in recovery batch
file run by Tellicast, since it's a stronger action...
Ciao

Giuseppe
I missed to show graphics...

http://www.bcico.com/meteo_page/mrtg/mrtg_1.htm

Ciao

Giuseppe


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

Giuseppe Cico
 

On Mon, June 15, 2009 20:45, geojohnt@aol.com wrote:
...
I think we were all spoilt with Hot Bird-6.
EUROBIRD-9 although (on paper) 3 dB less signal here in SE England
compared
to HB-6 I reckon was a stronger signal here than EUROBIRD-9A owing to my
location being much nearer EB-9 beam centre than with EB-9A.

We've just had a storm here (17:50 - 18:10 GMT) and I lost lock several
times, though the rain was very heavy, it was not torrential.
Lost lock's however did not coincide with heaviest rain at dish.

Regards,
John.
I'm looking at my two system's behaviour...
Both lost signal more or less at 10gmt, but PC1 was stable at 12gmt after
another loss before 11gmt, while PC2 got "ping-T-icon" after 1530gmt.
Maybe some problem while retuning PC2?... Quality/SNR graphs on MRTG show
no loss at 11-11.30gmt... what was it receiving?...
I cannot say, since I cannot replay situation... anyway I have set again
"detuning-retuning" procedure (instead of retune-only) in recovery batch
file run by Tellicast, since it's a stronger action...
Ciao

Giuseppe


Re: Signal Quality

nigel
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:26:31 +0100
"Douglas Deans" <dsdeans@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Doesn't really matter here as massive hail storms (thunder and
lightning) have put my system out for nearly 2 hours so far.
All my garden efforts in the past few months wrecked with rain and
hail intensities I really haven't seen here before.
No wind (virtually in a col at the moment) so it appears to be seated
over us.

Regards
Douglas.
Sorry to hear about your gardening "disaster" Douglas. Very
frustrating, to put it mildly. Not the words you used, I guess?

This shows the extent of the storm you've been having:-
http://www.blitzortung.org/DF/Webpages/index.php?station=2&mode=0&map=5&lang=e

and this lot over Germany:-
http://www.blitzortung.org/DF/Webpages/index.php?station=2&mode=0&map=0&lang=e

I had the same loss of signal here, with a clear blue sky and, as Rob
says, ground like hardened concrete!

regards
Nigel


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

geojohnt@...
 

In a message dated 15/06/2009 12:32:28 GMT Daylight Time,
seggins@btinternet.com writes:

Eurobird is definitely more susceptible to drop-out in rain. We have just
a
shower here composed of very large drops. It caused packet loss, a
measureable BER and an SNR down to 2.5 dB.


John,

I think you mean EUROBIRD-9A?
And compared to EUROBIRD-9?
If so, I agree.

I think we were all spoilt with Hot Bird-6.
EUROBIRD-9 although (on paper) 3 dB less signal here in SE England compared
to HB-6 I reckon was a stronger signal here than EUROBIRD-9A owing to my
location being much nearer EB-9 beam centre than with EB-9A.

We've just had a storm here (17:50 - 18:10 GMT) and I lost lock several
times, though the rain was very heavy, it was not torrential.
Lost lock's however did not coincide with heaviest rain at dish.

Regards,
John.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

John Say wrote:
[]
David,

Eurobird is definitely more susceptible to drop-out in rain. We have
just a shower here composed of very large drops. It caused packet
loss, a measureable BER and an SNR down to 2.5 dB. I haven't
measured a BER for a very long time.
Cheers
John
John,

I suggest reporting this to EUMETSAT.

I've already made a note of this in my own informal daily reports, and I see that EUMETSAT themselves have reported problems with the Ku-band service. I didn't gather whether they had problems with the actual MSG downlinks.

I suspect the Eurobird-9A uplink may not have as much margin as the old Hotbird-6 one did.

Cheers,
David
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Re: Signal Quality

Douglas Deans <dsdeans@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Signal Quality


Ian Deans wrote:
I noticed this morning losses on Metop / Met-9 and RSS at approx.
11.10 /
11.15 UTC. I was out at the time so was not monitoring, but I am now
seeing my signal quality very much reduced and varying a great deal (
down over 25% at times ).

The weather here is overcast with slight drizzle, but that would not
cause the reductions I am seeing. Have to assume that the weather
conditions in Germany are causing the problems.

Regards
Ian.
Indeed, Ian. Bad weather in Stuttgart has been reported, and the
Europe-wide view of EUMETCast shows that we are all seeing dropouts:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html

Cheers,
David
Doesn't really matter here as massive hail storms (thunder and lightning) have put my system out for nearly 2 hours so far.
All my garden efforts in the past few months wrecked with rain and hail intensities I really haven't seen here before.
No wind (virtually in a col at the moment) so it appears to be seated over us.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Signal Quality

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Ian Deans wrote:
I noticed this morning losses on Metop / Met-9 and RSS at approx.
11.10 /
11.15 UTC. I was out at the time so was not monitoring, but I am now
seeing my signal quality very much reduced and varying a great deal (
down over 25% at times ).

The weather here is overcast with slight drizzle, but that would not
cause the reductions I am seeing. Have to assume that the weather
conditions in Germany are causing the problems.

Regards
Ian.
Indeed, Ian. Bad weather in Stuttgart has been reported, and the Europe-wide view of EUMETCast shows that we are all seeing dropouts:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html

Cheers,
David
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SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements
Web: www.satsignal.eu
Email: davidtaylor@writeme.com


Re: Signal Quality

Robert Denton
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Deans" <isdeans1.-_@...> wrote:

I noticed this morning losses on Metop / Met-9 and RSS at approx. 11.10 /
11.15 UTC. I was out at the time so was not monitoring, but I am now
seeing my signal quality very much reduced and varying a great deal ( down
over 25% at times ).

The weather here is overcast with slight drizzle, but that would not cause
the reductions I am seeing. Have to assume that the weather conditions in
Germany are causing the problems.

Regards
Ian.
Ian,
My turn to return the message :o) The same is happening here, but hot and sunny here,just been out to check my dish/lnb which check out fine but system is showing the same symptoms as yours. You are not alone!
Best Wishes
Rob.


Signal Quality

Ian Deans <isdeans1.-_@...>
 

I noticed this morning losses on Metop / Met-9 and RSS at approx. 11.10 / 11.15 UTC. I was out at the time so was not monitoring, but I am now seeing my signal quality very much reduced and varying a great deal ( down over 25% at times ).

The weather here is overcast with slight drizzle, but that would not cause the reductions I am seeing. Have to assume that the weather conditions in Germany are causing the problems.

Regards
Ian.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

seggins2000
 

----- Original Message -----
From: David J Taylor
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.





Alan Banks wrote:
Hi Werner,
No problem here.
David has had some problems - probably local heavy rain. Everyone else
seems OK
see
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html
[]
Alan
Correct, Alan. Thunderstorms and heavy rain here in Edinburgh. I guess
it must be all the ice crystals in the cloud mass. Basic signal level
seems not bad, but I don't recall these problems on HotBird-6.

I hope a cold reboot cures Werner's problem.

Cheers,
David

David,

Eurobird is definitely more susceptible to drop-out in rain. We have just a
shower here composed of very large drops. It caused packet loss, a
measureable BER and an SNR down to 2.5 dB. I haven't measured a BER for a
very long time.
Cheers
John


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Alan Banks wrote:
Hi Werner,
No problem here.
David has had some problems - probably local heavy rain. Everyone else
seems OK
see
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html
[]
Alan
Correct, Alan. Thunderstorms and heavy rain here in Edinburgh. I guess it must be all the ice crystals in the cloud mass. Basic signal level seems not bad, but I don't recall these problems on HotBird-6.

I hope a cold reboot cures Werner's problem.

Cheers,
David
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Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

Robert Moore
 

Fine here too - but we could do with some of that rain. My water butts are empty and the ground is like iron.

Robert

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, Alan Banks <alan@...> wrote:

Hi Werner,
No problem here.
David has had some problems - probably local heavy rain. Everyone else
seems OK
see
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html
Guess it must be a local problem. Try a hard reboot.
Regards

Alan

w_guenzl wrote:
Hi to all,

I have since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird.
The T is yellow, no operator identification from Trans-
ponder. Signal quality = 71% A short time BER.

What is here the matter?

Werner.




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Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

Alan Banks <alan@...>
 

Hi Werner,
No problem here.
David has had some problems - probably local heavy rain. Everyone else seems OK
see
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/EumetcastEurope.html
Guess it must be a local problem. Try a hard reboot.
Regards

Alan

w_guenzl wrote:
Hi to all,
I have since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird.
The T is yellow, no operator identification from Trans-
ponder. Signal quality = 71% A short time BER.
What is here the matter?
Werner.
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Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

w_guenzl <wguenzl@...>
 

Hi to all,

I have since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird.
The T is yellow, no operator identification from Trans-
ponder. Signal quality = 71% A short time BER.

What is here the matter?

Werner.


Re: Since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird 9E.

geojohnt@...
 

In a message dated 14/06/2009 22:52:15 GMT Daylight Time,
wguenzl@guenzl.net writes:

I have since about 16:20 UTC no modulation on Eurobird.
The T is yellow, no operator identification from Trans-
ponder. Signal quality = 71% A short time BER.


Hello Werner,

I think you have a problem.
I have had no breaks in the EUMETCast service today.

In fact, this evening I'm seeing the strongest signal ever from
EUROBIRD-9A indicated with a DVBWorld box.

Regards,
John.


Re: Outage - Saturday at 11:25 UTC?

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Alan Banks wrote:
Nothing here David. I've just got problems with a constantly tripping
RCD and therefore some corrupt data and rather too frequent 'outs'. I
find that the Skystar 2.6D card will up or down the SQ SNR either side
of an out. Nil else changes. Electrician can't find a fault, we've
unplugged most things, he says the RCD is fine and tests OK. Still
tripped at 03.30UTC today. You can see the effect on my reception
here.
http://www.alanbanks.org.uk/Skystar.html
the 11.00 yesterday and 03.30 today events show what I mean. The
others are manual restarts though with no change in SQ SNR.
Told him to replace RCD whether or not it tests OK. With luck will see
him Monday as he didn't turn up this morning as promised.

Alan

moan over
Thanks, Alan. Judging by the EUMETCast across Europe graphs, I was indeed the only one. Quite unusual. We did have heavy rain afterwards, but this was the signal right down into the red - retunes were triggered. We've seen level changes across a break before - might be something like the AFC not coming in correctly......

Pain about your RCDs. When the house was rewired last year I insisted that they put the computers on a separate RCD from the main supply, as the kitchen tripped something which took the computers down. I hope the new one is OK, whne you eventually get it.

Cheers,
David
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