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Re: EKU licence and EKU

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Yes, I received my e-mail today as well, although as I started in September
with the Tellique software direct from Eumetsat, no update software required
( or offered ).
What will be of interest is whether the new Visa option will be available by
the time we receive our invoices. Let's hope so as it would make payment
very much easier and of course no bank charges.

Regards

Ian.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Willis" <john@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] EKU licence and EKU


Dear all,

I have just had an e-mail from Pamela at Eumetsat confirming I have a UK
licence and promising to send updated software and an invoice for the EKU as
soon as I confirm that I have the old software.

Good News!

Many thanks to all who have pushed through the processing to this stage
and especially John Tellick, David Taylor and the staff at Eumetsat.

Thank you all!

John Willis


EKU licence and EKU

John Willis <john@...>
 

Dear all,

I have just had an e-mail from Pamela at Eumetsat confirming I have a UK licence and promising to send updated software and an invoice for the EKU as soon as I confirm that I have the old software.

Good News!

Many thanks to all who have pushed through the processing to this stage and especially John Tellick, David Taylor and the staff at Eumetsat.

Thank you all!

John Willis


Re: MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?

Mamad Sultan <msultan@...>
 

Hi Luca and all,

Greetings from Mauritius.

This is my first post to the group.
I registered with Eumetsat in last year and already received " USERNAME" and
"User Key " .Unfortunately I have not been able to get that Big Dish to
receive
EUMETcast in C-band and I am still looking for one.

Concerning Licenses ,nothing heard from the Mauritius Met Service.
but an email from EUMETSAT User Service Helpdesk informed me last week
that:

In regards to the data being encrypted come March, our legal dept. will be
in touch with you in regards to your future license and of course, the
purchase of the EKU which is required to decrypted the data when the trial
ends. <<


Best regards,
mamad Sultan
PortLouis
Mauritus




----- Original Message -----
From: Luca Bertagnolio
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 15:19
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?


I always like the british term "overseas"... as if they are not the
ones living on an Island!!! ;-)

Anyway, back to the topic... I read that the UK Met Office has sent
out quite a few licenses for MSG-1 reception, a needed step in order
to get the eToken from EUMETSAT.

Did anybody else in other countries have seen any similar activity
from the local licensing authority? Haven't heard anything here in
Belgium for sure yet...

Bye, Luca



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Re: MSG Licenses in Germany

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

Goetz,

Is this possibly confusion with the new chargeable service which I understand DWD will use to transmit Met Charts & analyses (which we used to receive via HF radio) digitally via Hotbird ?

Dave M

----- Original Message -----
From: Goetz Romahn
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG Licenses in Germany


no activities from German authorities DWD ( Deutscher Wetterdienst )
yet. There are rumores they are going to ask for annual licence fees
as opposed to EUMETSAT News Bulletin Issue 10 chapter 6.
How about any fees in Uk and/or "overseas" ?



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Re: MSG Licenses in Germany

Goetz Romahn <Goetz.Romahn@...>
 

--- In MSG-1@..., johnrigsec@a... wrote:
In a message dated 15-01-04 12:17:52 GMT Standard Time,
Goetz.Romahn@d... writes:

no activities from German authorities DWD ( Deutscher
Wetterdienst )
yet. There are rumores they are going to ask for annual licence
fees
as opposed to EUMETSAT News Bulletin Issue 10 chapter 6.
How about any fees in Uk and/or "overseas" ?
Romahn,

There are no license fees across Europe for amateur/educational use
of MSG
[Meteosat-8] data.
However, I am informed that some countries will charge a handling
fee for
dealing with the issuing of the licenses.

I have no details as to the countries who will charge a handling
fee nor how
much it will be.

The UK will not charge nor, I believe, will the Dutch KNMI.

I would say that the DWD service via Hot Bird-6 is a subscription
service and
not included in the MSG data.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG.


John,
thanks for keeping care and beeing involved.
Goetz


Re: MSG Licenses in Germany

Goetz Romahn <Goetz.Romahn@...>
 

no activities from German authorities DWD ( Deutscher Wetterdienst )
yet. There are rumores they are going to ask for annual licence fees
as opposed to EUMETSAT News Bulletin Issue 10 chapter 6.
How about any fees in Uk and/or "overseas" ?


Re: without fees?

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

I believe Rob Alblas from the Dutch group has a program called xrit2pic which will decode msg data, I think it's free. Data Manager from David Taylor is an excellent program and well worth the small registration fee.

Cheers, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: Ant贸nio Vitor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] without fees?


this is my first writing in this group!
:)
I am one of those who only read and do not post...

I want to become another one that receives "beautifull" images from the sky...I already have a Skystar 2...(with a motorised satelite antena universal LNB) but I DO NOT want to spend anything...
money is the primal obstacle.

my question:
there is a way to receive without any fee?

if there isn't then...I will quit
:)

Regards!
Ant贸nio Vitor
From Portugal.


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Re: Missing segments.

David J Taylor GM8ARV 馃彺鬆仹鬆仮鬆伋鬆仯鬆伌鬆伩 馃嚜馃嚭
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "David Strickland" <david@s...> wrote:
Started front end computer 9/1/04. I have missing segments on most
HRIT channels, usually just segment 6 very occassionally 5 or 7
except for channel 12 which is usually 16,17 occassionally one or
two earlier or later. The missing segments only occur between about
0900 and 1300 sometimes a litle later sometimes a little earlier.
There are no missing segments at any other time.


David,

Look for some scheduled task that is running at the time of the
missing segment - Windows Update, anti-virus update, something
phoning home on a URL that has now changed, so it can't phone home
and keeps trying. Perhaps you could use the Windows Task Manager,
set it to view Processes, look at the processes ordered by CPU to
that those using most CPU are at the top. See if anything
unexpected some to the top at the time of segment loss.

Other suggestions: check with Setup4PC for uncorrected blocks.
Perhaps there is RF interference around this time?

Cheers,
David


Re: without fees?

Ant贸nio Vitor <antonio.vitor@...>
 

thanks for the reply David...
I guess I will wait for "better" days...
;)

----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: without fees?


--- In MSG-1@..., Ant贸nio Vitor <antonio.vitor@s...>
wrote:
> this is my first writing in this group!
> :)
> I am one of those who only read and do not post...
>
> I want to become another one that receives "beautifull" images
from the sky...I already have a Skystar 2...(with a motorised
satelite antena universal LNB) but I DO NOT want to spend anything...
> money is the primal obstacle.
>
> my question:
> there is a way to receive without any fee?
>
> if there isn't then...I will quit
> :)
>
> Regards!
> Ant贸nio Vitor
> From Portugal.

Ant贸nio,

Welcome to the group!

At some point, these images will be available on the Internet, and
perhaps that will be "free" for you.

Right now:

- at the very minimum you need the Telliqeue software from Eumetsat
costing 60 Euros.

- if you want data more frequently than once every 6 hours, you will
need an electronic key called an eToken, costing 40 Euros.

- you will also need software to decode the data. I offer the MSG
Data Manager costing about 72 Euro, but there is also free, non-
automated software available as well.

Cheers,
David



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Re: without fees?

David J Taylor GM8ARV 馃彺鬆仹鬆仮鬆伋鬆仯鬆伌鬆伩 馃嚜馃嚭
 

--- In MSG-1@..., Ant贸nio Vitor <antonio.vitor@s...>
wrote:
this is my first writing in this group!
:)
I am one of those who only read and do not post...

I want to become another one that receives "beautifull" images
from the sky...I already have a Skystar 2...(with a motorised
satelite antena universal LNB) but I DO NOT want to spend anything...
money is the primal obstacle.

my question:
there is a way to receive without any fee?

if there isn't then...I will quit
:)

Regards!
Ant贸nio Vitor
From Portugal.
Ant贸nio,

Welcome to the group!

At some point, these images will be available on the Internet, and
perhaps that will be "free" for you.

Right now:

- at the very minimum you need the Telliqeue software from Eumetsat
costing 60 Euros.

- if you want data more frequently than once every 6 hours, you will
need an electronic key called an eToken, costing 40 Euros.

- you will also need software to decode the data. I offer the MSG
Data Manager costing about 72 Euro, but there is also free, non-
automated software available as well.

Cheers,
David


without fees?

Ant贸nio Vitor <antonio.vitor@...>
 

this is my first writing in this group!
:)
I am one of those who only read and do not post...

I want to become another one that receives "beautifull" images from the sky...I already have a Skystar 2...(with a motorised satelite antena universal LNB) but I DO NOT want to spend anything...
money is the primal obstacle.

my question:
there is a way to receive without any fee?

if there isn't then...I will quit
:)

Regards!
Ant贸nio Vitor
From Portugal.


Ever heard of ECOMET?

Luca Bertagnolio <lucaberta@...>
 

Browsing the Belgian Met Office website I've come across some infos
on a joint effort by most European Met Offices called ECOMET:

http://www.meteo.oma.be/ECOMET/

Its definition is this:

-----

The concept of ECOMET

ECOMET is an Economic Interest Grouping under Belgian law located in
Brussels. ECOMET was created end of 1995. Its 20 Members are the
National Meteorological Services (NMSs) of : Austria, Belgium,
Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland,
Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, Turkey and the United-Kingdom.

The ECOMET grouping reinforces the traditional relationships amongst
the NMSs and the developing relationships with the private sector
within the relevant EU regulations.
[...]

-----

What I found interesting was this other paragraph:

-----

Objectives of ECOMET

The primary objectives of ECOMET are to preserve the free and
unrestricted exchange of meteorological information between the NMSs
for their operational functions within the framework of WMO
regulations and to ensure the widest availability of basic
meteorological data and products for commercial applications.

Further objectives of ECOMET are :

-to guarantee the access to meteorological data and products, be it
for public or private sectors.
[...]

-----

So it looks like ECOMET could have somehow been another interface to
exploit in order to have a general European license for amateur MSG-1
reception (since there would be no fee associated).

Does anyone more about this effort? John maybe?

Bye, Luca
Brussels, Belgium


Re: MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?

Luca Bertagnolio <lucaberta@...>
 

Alan,

encryption is going to happen in the next couple of months maximum,
that is why we should start to work towards getting our eTokens
rather sooner than later, hence my question.

Still no word from any dutch, german and swiss colleagues. Any info
on what is going on there?

Bye, Luca

--- In MSG-1@..., "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@c...>
wrote:
I live in France and so far have heard nothing from the National
Authority. I'm not really concerned until it means that I shall not
have the
e-token when MSG switches over to encrypted data!


Re: without fees?

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 15-01-04 11:05:53 GMT Standard Time,
agm@... writes:

I believe Rob Alblas from the Dutch group has a program called xrit2pic
which will decode msg data, I think it's free. Data Manager from David Taylor is
an excellent program and well worth the small registration fee.

Cheers, Guy
Antonio,

After encryption starts in March 2004 you will only be able to receive
(directly) the
un-encrypted slots of HRIT and LRIT data at 24:00, 06:00, 12:00 and 18:00.

That is if you have not registered with EUMETSAT, have a license from your
national Met. Office and have purchased the eToken EKU and software.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: without fees?

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 15-01-04 10:29:26 GMT Standard Time,
david-taylor@... writes:

Welcome to the group!

At some point, these images will be available on the Internet, and
perhaps that will be "free" for you.
All,

My understanding is that there will be an MSG Internet Service provided by
EUMETSAT.
This will be a two tier system - one free access to restricted data sets and
a full/er system which will require registration with EUMETSAT and password
access.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: MSG Licenses in Germany

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 15-01-04 12:17:52 GMT Standard Time,
Goetz.Romahn@... writes:

no activities from German authorities DWD ( Deutscher Wetterdienst )
yet. There are rumores they are going to ask for annual licence fees
as opposed to EUMETSAT News Bulletin Issue 10 chapter 6.
How about any fees in Uk and/or "overseas" ?
Romahn,

There are no license fees across Europe for amateur/educational use of MSG
[Meteosat-8] data.
However, I am informed that some countries will charge a handling fee for
dealing with the issuing of the licenses.

I have no details as to the countries who will charge a handling fee nor how
much it will be.

The UK will not charge nor, I believe, will the Dutch KNMI.

I would say that the DWD service via Hot Bird-6 is a subscription service and
not included in the MSG data.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG.


Re: MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 15-01-04 08:54:16 GMT Standard Time, lucaberta@...
writes:

Alan,

encryption is going to happen in the next couple of months maximum,
that is why we should start to work towards getting our eTokens
rather sooner than later, hence my question.

Still no word from any dutch, german and swiss colleagues. Any info
on what is going on there?

Bye, Luca
Dear members in 'overseas countries',

It looks like I might have just found myself another job?
I will be speaking to EUMETSAT this afternoon so will try to find out what
the situation is.

I can tell you - thanks to Arne, that the Dutch Met. Office KNMI will be
issuing licenses (in Dutch) to all Dutch users registered with EUMETSAT soon, so
don't panic.
Arne has spoken to them recently and the wheels are turning.

My understanding is that all of Europe will be administered as the UK is.
That is, register with EUMETSAT first, declaring your user status - they will
inform your national Met. Office - who will issue you with a license
depending on your status - when you have signed and returned this back to your
national Met. Office - they will inform EUMETSAT and you will be able to purchase the
eToken and software.

Full MSG [Meteosat-8] encryption (currently) will begin in March.

I will keep you updated.

Regards,
John Tellick.
RIG.


Missing segments.

David Strickland <david@...>
 

Started front end computer 9/1/04. I have missing segments on most
HRIT channels, usually just segment 6 very occassionally 5 or 7
except for channel 12 which is usually 16,17 occassionally one or two
earlier or later. The missing segments only occur between about 0900
and 1300 sometimes a litle later sometimes a little earlier. There
are no missing segments at any other time. I am getting more and more
puzzled at what the cause could be. The front end computer is well
capable of the task (1.8Ghz Athalon and 512 memory)spends most of its
time well below 5%. The fact that it is mainly segment 6 that goes
missing must point to a non random event that has something to do
with the signal. Being in Cornwall with an 88cm dish means there is
good signal and there is only about 10 feet of cable between the
skystar card and the dish. If it was the computer not coping then why
would it be ok for the other 20 hours each day? If it was alignment
why only segment 6.

Puzzled!!

David Strickland


Re: MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

Hi All,
I live in France and so far have heard nothing from the National
Authority. I'm not really concerned until it means that I shall not have the
e-token when MSG switches over to encrypted data!

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luca Bertagnolio" <lucaberta@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG Licenses in "overseas" countries?


I always like the british term "overseas"... as if they are not the
ones living on an Island!!! ;-)

Anyway, back to the topic... I read that the UK Met Office has sent
out quite a few licenses for MSG-1 reception, a needed step in order
to get the eToken from EUMETSAT.

Did anybody else in other countries have seen any similar activity
from the local licensing authority? Haven't heard anything here in
Belgium for sure yet...

Bye, Luca






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Re: Hotbird reception at sea?

Robert Moore
 

Unless you are good at applying calculus in spherical geometry do not try to
build a system at home!
Robert


Quoting Peter Benney <tugboat@...>:


How do ships at sea pick up geostationary satellites, particularly
satellites like Hotbird needing alignment to within a degree?
David,

For HRPT/CHRPT and Meteosat/GOES

http://www.dartcom.co.uk/products/hrpt_chrpt/system_options/13m_active_stabilised/index.html

For satellite TV, one of a few for smaller vessels;-

http://www.simrad.com/PDF_Library/Simrad_sat_tv_spec.pdf

Many more systems for the larger cruise ships.

Peter







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