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Re: Missing segments
a_van_belle
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote: Well, that's interesting - perhaps we are starting to get somewhere?all day today (last reboot was 19:30 last night) and since 10:15 this Hello David, Ian, Douglas and others, Although Eumetsat does warn for data loss when activating setup4pc (Have read it somewhere, was it in TD15 ?) I have never lost segments this way. I switch to Status frequently to watch signal level and also had it opened for at least a week during the solar outages. But Ian is correct in leaving the receive PC alone, because I did loose lots of segments just opening Explorer on the received folder ! Running only a Celeron 800 Mhz with 256 Mb ram this is something I can live with. Apart from a failing harddisc two weeks ago, this PC has been powered on from May and is only rebooted for updates or at power losses. Did improve on cooling a bit by adding a case fan and removed the slotcoverplate below the old version Skystar. I do run a "lean" W2K Pro SP3, have not applied any security patch and had to disable the scardsvr process before I upgraded to TQ231. Have no firewall, virus scanner, time sync or defrag running on this PC and did set powermanagement to "full on". David try to borrow/get a satsignal meter to check if you do not suffer from fast signal fluctuations at windy conditions. Or borrow an old analog sat receiver with a signal meter output. This could convince the installer to check the alignment and fixing of your dish. Greetings, Arne van Belle
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Re: Missing segments
Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
David
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I had a problem getting my dish aligned; I'm in N Ireland so I've probably got a similar signal to you. Rather than bring in the "professionals" consider investing in Timestep's simple alignment meter. (If I remember correctly about £20-£25.) Assuming you can access your dish, simple hand pressure on the horizontal and vertical axes will allow to get the alignment spot on. Here, it's blowing a real gale at present and while my dish is at the bottom of the mast I use for my QFH and sways a bit, signal strength (normally 70%) is dropping to 59%, SNR drops from 10.9 to 9.2, but the BER is unchanged at zero. Roger |
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|From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk] |Sent: 05 November 2003 18:19 |To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com | |--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Ian S Deans" <ian@i...> wrote: |> David, |> |> I have just tried running Setup4PC for about 4 minutes with data |coming in. I take channels 2-4-5-9-12 at the moment and in |that very short period I lost 3 segments. Even with this |fairly low computer spec. I have never ever had segment loss ( |apart from Eumetsat problems ). I am running a more recent |version of the Tellique software and the newer card. It would |appear that Douglas is spot on -- if you attempt to even look |at the status on the card with data coming in you are going to |get segment loss -- certainly that is my findings. |> |> Regards |> |> Ian. | |Well, that's interesting - perhaps we are starting to get somewhere? | |However, I've been running Setup4PC, Transponder Status |display, all day today (last reboot was 19:30 last night) and |since 10:15 this morning I have had zero missing segments! |Today's problems I can relate to the wind. But if I start |getting unexplained missing segments I will certainly stop Setup4PC. | |(Also running Tellique 2.3.1, Windows Server 2000, older DVB card). | |Thanks, |David | | |------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor |---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. |No Late Fees & Free Shipping. |Try Netflix for FREE! |http://us.click.yahoo.com/xlw.sC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/RLYolB/TM |--------------------------------------------------------------- |------~-> | |To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: |MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com | | | |Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | | |
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Re: Problem with Geosatsignal when creating HRV Animation in High Resolution
Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
Malk
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I get the same type of problem if I try to animate using 15min time slots rather than 30 mins (even though the images are on a 15min schedule. In GSS4-Options-Job Setup-Animation try setting the "Take Picture Every " to 30 mins. Roger |
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|From: Douglas Deans [mailto:douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk] |Sent: 05 November 2003 09:35 |To: MSG-1 | | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Maik Dobbermann" <maik.dobbermann@staff.uni-marburg.de> |To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> |Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:54 AM |Subject: AW: [MSG-1] Problem with Geosatsignal when creating |HRV Animation in High Resolution | | |>Douglas, |>thanks for your options. i use equal ones, but with |coordinates of germany |>of course ;) | |>Do you use non-scaled pngs? or are they scaled down by x - factor? | | |Not 100% sure what you mean Maik, but they are used exactly |'as saved' from |MSG DM. |For HRV, to save process time, I normally use the HRV 12n. |Typically (about midday) the file is about 6MB whereas my full |12 channel |file size is about 22Mb. | |Regards |Douglas. | | | | | | | | | |------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor |---------------------~--> |Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark |Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the |US & Canada. |http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 |http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/RLYolB/TM |--------------------------------------------------------------- |------~-> | |To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: |MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com | | | |Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | | |
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Re: Missing segments
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Ian S Deans" <ian@i...> wrote:
David,coming in. I take channels 2-4-5-9-12 at the moment and in that very short period I lost 3 segments. Even with this fairly low computer spec. I have never ever had segment loss ( apart from Eumetsat problems ). I am running a more recent version of the Tellique software and the newer card. It would appear that Douglas is spot on -- if you attempt to even look at the status on the card with data coming in you are going to get segment loss -- certainly that is my findings. Well, that's interesting - perhaps we are starting to get somewhere? However, I've been running Setup4PC, Transponder Status display, all day today (last reboot was 19:30 last night) and since 10:15 this morning I have had zero missing segments! Today's problems I can relate to the wind. But if I start getting unexplained missing segments I will certainly stop Setup4PC. (Also running Tellique 2.3.1, Windows Server 2000, older DVB card). Thanks, David
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Re: Missing segments
Ian S Deans <ian@...>
David,
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I have just tried running Setup4PC for about 4 minutes with data coming in. I take channels 2-4-5-9-12 at the moment and in that very short period I lost 3 segments. Even with this fairly low computer spec. I have never ever had segment loss ( apart from Eumetsat problems ). I am running a more recent version of the Tellique software and the newer card. It would appear that Douglas is spot on -- if you attempt to even look at the status on the card with data coming in you are going to get segment loss -- certainly that is my findings. Regards Ian.
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re:Missing segments Just one other thing as a long shot. I once tried whilst MSG datawas coming in, looking at the signal level on SetUP4PC....disaster.
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Re: Missing segments
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re:Missing segments Try a few days without the statistics screen, David..... might beJust one other thing as a long shot. I once tried whilst MSG datawas coming in, looking at the signal level on SetUP4PC....disaster. interesting. All I have is the green 'signal ok' icon in the taskbar. If I want to have a look at signal level I do it after I have shutdown Tellique. The only other issue (don't know whether it is relevant or not) is that I have the original Tellique software (pre MSG). I do hope you will get this resolved. If anyone deserves hassle free reception, it's you David ! Regards Douglas.
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Re: Missing segments
Just one other thing as a long shot. I once tried whilst MSG datawas coming in, looking at the signal level on SetUP4PC....disaster. You must not do anything with that program during MSG reception or data can be lost.... not even checking signal level. Douglas, Thanks for your comments on dish alignment etc. I'm phsching myself up to calling the professionals again! (They did seem to take good care when installing, that's why I'm reluctant). I run Setup4PC all the time when receiving MSG-1 and have not, as far as I know, ever had a problem due to this. I have the Statistics screen on permanent display. What you say surprises me. Has anyone else found this? Cheers, David
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Re: Strange mail from Eumetsat
John Parkins <kvp@...>
Hello Ian and Peter,
Well confusing yes but a bit of a stretch confusing Peter and myself: Peter Benney.........................John Godfrey-Parkins tugboat@gotadsl.co.uk ................ kvp@bigfoot.com Hardly similar, but Peter, if It does turn out that they send it to me instead of you get in touch direct and let me have your address and I'll send it on. Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 3:40:09 PM, you wrote: ISD> John, ISD> Strange indeed, but I am just wondering if Eumetsat have got you mixed up ISD> with Peter Benney as he contacted them a couple of days ago asking how he ISD> could upgrade his Tellique software. Just a thought. ISD> Ian ISD> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ISD> MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ISD> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to ISD> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Best regards, John mailto:kvp@bigfoot.com
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Re: Strange mail from Eumetsat
Ian S Deans <ian@...>
John,
Strange indeed, but I am just wondering if Eumetsat have got you mixed up with Peter Benney as he contacted them a couple of days ago asking how he could upgrade his Tellique software. Just a thought. Ian
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Re: Strange mail from Eumetsat
Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
Dear John, It has been brought to my attention that you require aJohn, If your Dear John was from Pamela Schöbel-Pattiselanno it may well be the result of my request for an upgrade. Pamela said they will be sending me a copy of the newer version of Tellique software soon. Regards, Peter
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Re: Missing segments
John Parkins <kvp@...>
Hello David,
I use a 1m dish here in London and get 80%+ and a SNR of 12+. I would have thought that so long as your getting a fairly solid signal this wouldn't be causing lost segments. I have to say though that apart from the ones reported by others I don't seem to miss any, the dish does have the mother of a bracket on it though and doesn't move a bit even in the highest winds. Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 8:46:48 AM, you wrote: DT> --- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, John Parkins <kvp@b...> wrote: DT> 88cm - as supplied by TimeStep. My location is Edinburgh. SignalHello David, DT> quality is normally 60^ - 70%, SNR 9.3 to 10.7dB. DT> Cheers, DT> David DT> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DT> MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com DT> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to DT> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Best regards, John mailto:kvp@bigfoot.com
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Strange mail from Eumetsat
John Parkins <kvp@...>
Hello All,
Came home this afternoon to a strange email from Eumetsat: ********************************************************************* Dear John, It has been brought to my attention that you require a Tellique software windows version to replace the one that you had bought from Tsystems. I am pleased to be able to furnish you with a copy. Could you please let me know your mailing address so that i may send out the software ASAP. I look forward to hearing from you soon. ********************************************************************* Of course I have sent my mailing address straight back, but I'm not sure why. As far as I know I already have the latest version of the software. I'll wait and see what they send me. Has anyone else had a similar email? -- Best regards, John mailto:kvp@bigfoot.com
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Re: Missing Segments
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Strickland" <David@s...> wrote:
David,yesterday as well! I would think that if the files sent were in groups ofis very rigid mounted. Even in a strong gale little signal variationI am trying to get a better understanding of this. I made a plot of the percent loss of segments versus channel number, expecting to find that the channel where the files which were larger would have a greater segment loss, and there was less likelhood of getting a complete file. Similarly I had expected that LRIT data would be more robust than HRIT data, but this also not seem to be the case when the loss was at its worst. It suggested that some file grouping was perhaps spreading the loss more equally across all channels. Guesswork, I'm afraid. I don't expect any file grouping to be constant, by the way. I (again) guess that there is a data stream and that all files of a certain priority will be packaged for transmission in some sort of "best fit to available packets" fashion. I don't know if the IMPF software processes files in a strict channel order, or if there are parallel processing tasks so the channel order for a particular segment is random. I should study the log files, shouldn't I? The Sky star card is in the computer in the garage!!.. and so perhaps is subject to a larger temperature variation than a "domestic" computer might expect to encounter? Cheers, David
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Re: Missing segments
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Ian S Deans" <ian@i...> wrote:
That's a very fair point. Very slight movement in a badly aligneddish will lose signal rapidly. Dave, Ian. Many thanks to you both for your comments. .. and I found that the maximum solar outage did not correspond _precisely_ with the WXtrack predictions. It does all point to a slight alignment error, but how to convince the professional installers of this? How many months guarantee you would expect on dish alignment in any case? I would love to get the "professional installers" out again, but am worried that they check the dish, and say "It looks OK to us, that will be £50, please!" Cheers, David
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Re: Dish
Trevor David <tdavid@...>
Ian
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Very many thanks for your reply. It will be turned into a pond now. Trevor
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From: Ian S Deans To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Dish Trevor, This will be a prime focus dish with no arm, so the answer is no it cannot be used. You could probably pick up an old Sky analogue 80cm dish for next to nothing, although they were more in use in Scotland as most of England used 60cm dishes in the analogue days. Regards Ian. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: Missing segments
Ian S Deans <ian@...>
That's a very fair point. Very slight movement in a badly aligned dish will
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lose signal rapidly. There is no better illustration of this than the recent move by BBC to Astra 2D with its much tighter spot beam allowing the BBC to go FTA. Thousands of Sky customers particularly at the extremes of the beam lost the BBC channels and it is reckoned that most of the problems were down to badly aligned dishes. Shoddy work by professionals. Ian
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From: "Timestep" <Information@Time-step.com> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Re:Missing segments
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Re: Dish
Ian S Deans <ian@...>
Trevor,
This will be a prime focus dish with no arm, so the answer is no it cannot be used. You could probably pick up an old Sky analogue 80cm dish for next to nothing, although they were more in use in Scotland as most of England used 60cm dishes in the analogue days. Regards Ian.
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Wavelet compression
Trevor Davies <g0jix@...>
Hi
I guess the message from EUMETSAT User Service stating the continuation of HRV lossless Wavelet compression will be as well received as was the launch of the service.GREAT!! 73 de Trevor G0JIX All mail scanned with Norton.
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Re: Missing segments
Timestep <Information@...>
From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England e-mail Information@Time-step.com Web site http://www.Time-step.com Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366 Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498 I think your dish is on the edge of the satellite ? Dave
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Re: Missing Segments
David Strickland <David@...>
David,
Further to my post yesterday at 0830 I missed seg. 5 from chans. 6,8,9,10,11 and seg.15 from chan 12. The interesting thing here is channel 9 as it was amoung the groups of channels yesterday as well! I would think that if the files sent were in groups of channels then this is an unexpected result. Signal quality is a steady 70-71% with SNR 10.8 a 88cm dish weather is good and dish is very rigid mounted. Even in a strong gale little signal variation occurs. The dropped segments look to me like a software problem. The Sky star card is in the computer in the garage!! It has strong cooling and certainly no overheat problems. CPU temperature is a nice 44C and system temp is 28C. It has three temperature controlled cooling fans and as it is quite cool outside today nothing is working very hard. I have not restarted since yesterday deliberately to watch what happens. Regards David S.
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