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Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Douglas Deans" <douglas@d...> wrote:
I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about
this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service
have also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

Regards
Douglas.
Yes, I'm seeing similar problems here - not having prior experience
of satellite TV I have to ask: Is this typical? If not, then
reminders of potential revenue lost through poor service reliability
may get the attention of the bean counters. I hope Eumetsat have
suitable Service Level Agreements with penalty clauses....

It didn't help that I had just started testing a new beta update of
the MSG Data Manager (which reduces memory consumption) just when
the problem happened! Unfortunately, I'm one of the people who has
to reboot to recover from this. I suspect Arne thought that he had
messed up something as well!

Cheers,
David


Signal

Lawrence <lawrence@...>
 

Maybe its wind or something - but could anyone confirm signal loss from
MSG-1/HotBird-6 transponder as at 1940utc?

TIA

Lawrence


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Everything is out on that transponder. I have my normal TV on the
transponder as I type this and the signal is zero. I know that it is
probably automatic, but Eutelsat have acknowledged my mail and will get back
to me "shortly "
Ah --- I see the secret has been revealed by my younger brother ( 2 Minutes
!! )

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Brown" <james@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder



I disagree James, everything on 11096 is out... example Sailing Channel.
Be careful there are 4 Sailing Channels, 3 of which are on different
transponders from 11096.

I have a mail drafted to Eutelsat, but seeing Ian has sent one, perhaps
two
with the same surname (hope they don't ask for a photo!) might be
suspicious !
I take it, James, that David has told you about Ian and I .

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

James Brown <james@...>
 


Ah, my photo aside would not mean much then.... we're identical twins who
happen to have an identical hobby !
Well, well! - as an only child I envy you - I think! Unless you are going to tell me otherwise!!! Sorry David, we're well OT now.

Cheers to you both then,

James
--
James Brown


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Brown" <james@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder



I disagree James, everything on 11096 is out... example Sailing Channel.
Be careful there are 4 Sailing Channels, 3 of which are on different
transponders from 11096.

I have a mail drafted to Eutelsat, but seeing Ian has sent one, perhaps
two
with the same surname (hope they don't ask for a photo!) might be
suspicious !
I take it, James, that David has told you about Ian and I .

Regards
Douglas.
Fair enough Douglas. I should have phrased it more carefully. I hadn't
checked other TV progs using 11096.

No - can't say I remember hearing about yourself and Ian!

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown
Ah, my photo aside would not mean much then.... we're identical twins who
happen to have an identical hobby !

Oh good 11096 is back at green. It is most unusual to see such frequent
transponder problems with the one transponder. Perhaps it is time to switch
it. I don't think there is very much on 11096 which perhaps explains the
poor service... not enough shouting.
No it's off again !! Patience.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

James Brown <james@...>
 


I disagree James, everything on 11096 is out... example Sailing Channel.
Be careful there are 4 Sailing Channels, 3 of which are on different
transponders from 11096.

I have a mail drafted to Eutelsat, but seeing Ian has sent one, perhaps two
with the same surname (hope they don't ask for a photo!) might be
suspicious !
I take it, James, that David has told you about Ian and I .

Regards
Douglas.
Fair enough Douglas. I should have phrased it more carefully. I hadn't checked other TV progs using 11096.

No - can't say I remember hearing about yourself and Ian!

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Brown" <james@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder


In message <001a01c39b29$b64c6450$0100a8c0@douglas>, Douglas Deans
<douglas@...> writes
I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service have
also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

The thing is Douglas that my TV link is fine - just the Eumetsat link
gone again - wonder where the problem lies.

James
I disagree James, everything on 11096 is out... example Sailing Channel.
Be careful there are 4 Sailing Channels, 3 of which are on different
transponders from 11096.

I have a mail drafted to Eutelsat, but seeing Ian has sent one, perhaps two
with the same surname (hope they don't ask for a photo!) might be
suspicious !
I take it, James, that David has told you about Ian and I .

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

James Brown <james@...>
 

In message <001a01c39b29$b64c6450$0100a8c0@douglas>, Douglas Deans <douglas@...> writes
I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service have also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

The thing is Douglas that my TV link is fine - just the Eumetsat link gone again - wonder where the problem lies.

James


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Douglas Deans" <douglas@d...> wrote:
I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about
this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service
have also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

Regards
Douglas.
You're right Douglas, again I have two PC's out of lock, just when I
was testing a 2-way splitter to power two receivers from one LNB.
Monitoring Sailing channel on the same transponder does also show
interruptions and "freezes".
At this moment (19:07) still no lock on Eumetcast.
Will try other Hotbird6 transponders to check if only the 11096 is
affected.
Could it be an uplink problem or is it the recent breakout of solar
flux that impacts on Hotbird 6?

By the way they do expect a high possibility of "polar light" the
coming nights, unfortunately it's very cloudy over here.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle


Re: Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

I have sent a mail to Eutelsat this evening complaining about the
intermittent loss of this transponder. If and when I get a reply I will post
it.

Ian.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Deans" <douglas@...>
To: "MSG-1" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder


I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service have
also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

Regards
Douglas.


Hot Bird 6 11096 Transponder

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

I think it's about time we all wrote to Eutelsat to complain about this
intolerable service.
I do assume Eumetsat, who must be paying megabucks for the service have also
voiced their disapproval.
This Transponder problem is far too frequent.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Week 44 looks interesting

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Looking at the news for the week ahead - some more teasers for
David - I wonder if your thoughts about HRV have been listened to
David?
So do I, James, but I have no inside information about this. I had
suggested either reducing the compression level or bit shifting the
whole data to be 10-bit data left justified in the 12-bit field
offered by the compressed JPEG channel. At present, the data is
right-justified which leads to an accuracy loss, according to my
tests. If the lossless Wavelet data occupies a similar bandwidth to
the lossy JPEG data, then by changing there is no ill effect. As
you know, the HRIT channel is already about 1.7Mb/s over DVB versus
1.0Mb/s over a direct link, so there is more flexibility than before.

Incidentally, does anyone understand the gain changes with
reference to the channel numbers - I didn't even know there was a
channel 13.4 !!
The 13.4um data is transmitted as channel number 11 - if you hold
your mouse over the thumbnail image the pop-up hint shows the
spectral range for the channel.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG registration

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

THX David I've let them know so my liecence should be here soon
73;s
Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG registration


--- In MSG-1@..., "BARRY DAY" <barryday@t...> wrote:
HI DAVID, I got this msg from Eumetsat this morning can you help,
what is
the frequ. on HOT BIRD etc
Many thanks
Barry
Barryday@t...
EUMETSAT need to know how frequenctly you wish to receive images -
15 minutes, 30 minutes etc.

Cheers,
David



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Week 44 looks interesting

James Brown <james@...>
 

A test of HRV using wavelet lossless compression will take place from 13:00 29/10/2003 until 13:00 30/10/2003.
These will be disseminated in place of the HRIT JPEG compressed HRV products.

Image data will be switched from the IQGSE to the IMPF on the 28/10/2003 at 13:00. There may be a short interruption to the
SEVIRI dissemination. Some differences are expected in the headers, image quality and compression efficiecy.

Looking at the news for the week ahead - some more teasers for David - I wonder if your thoughts about HRV have been listened to David?

Incidentally, does anyone understand the gain changes with reference to the channel numbers - I didn't even know there was a channel 13.4 !!

Cheers,
James
--
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Re: MSG registration

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY DAY" <barryday@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:25 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG registration


HI DAVID, I got this msg from Eumetsat this morning can you help, what is
the frequ. on HOT BIRD etc
Many thanks
Barry
Barryday@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "e-mail OPS" <OPS@...>
To: <barryday@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re : MSG registration


Dear Barry,
We are pleased to inform you that your registration form has been received
and registered.
Unfortunatle, in the field where it asks for data frequency, you did not
tick off on any field.
Please let me know ASAP as to which frequency you would like to receive
images.

Thank you,
Pamela Sch�bel-Pattiselanno
EUMETSAT User Service Helpdesk
Tel : +49 6151 807377
Fax : +49 6151 807379
Email : ops@...
Hello Barry

The question Eumetsat is asking is not about radio frequency but how often
you want the data. On P4 of the registration document there is a question
as to whether you want the data 1/4 hourly, 1/2 hourly, 1 hourly etc. You
must not have filled that in.
HRIT is 1/4 hourly and LRIT is 1/2 hourly, although you do not need to take
it as often if you don't want to.

Hope that helps.
Regards
Douglas.


Re: MSG registration

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "BARRY DAY" <barryday@t...> wrote:
HI DAVID, I got this msg from Eumetsat this morning can you help,
what is
the frequ. on HOT BIRD etc
Many thanks
Barry
Barryday@t...
EUMETSAT need to know how frequenctly you wish to receive images -
15 minutes, 30 minutes etc.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG registration

Corrado Brigante <corrado@...>
 

I suggest 15 minutes...it depends on how You signed the EUMETSAT form

Corrado

----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MSG registration


--- In MSG-1@..., "BARRY DAY" <barryday@t...> wrote:
> HI DAVID, I got this msg from Eumetsat this morning can you help,
what is
> the frequ. on HOT BIRD etc
> Many thanks
> Barry
> Barryday@t...

EUMETSAT need to know how frequenctly you wish to receive images -
15 minutes, 30 minutes etc.

Cheers,
David


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Re: MSG registration

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

HI DAVID, I got this msg from Eumetsat this morning can you help, what is
the frequ. on HOT BIRD etc
Many thanks
Barry
Barryday@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "e-mail OPS" <OPS@...>
To: <barryday@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re : MSG registration


Dear Barry,
We are pleased to inform you that your registration form has been received
and registered.
Unfortunatle, in the field where it asks for data frequency, you did not
tick off on any field.
Please let me know ASAP as to which frequency you would like to receive
images.

Thank you,
Pamela Sch�bel-Pattiselanno
EUMETSAT User Service Helpdesk
Tel : +49 6151 807377
Fax : +49 6151 807379
Email : ops@...



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Re: GRB and BFR files

Tom Schoettle <tomsracing@...>
 

A program exists to decode GRIB2 data which is produced by the NWS.

Webpage: NDFD GRIB2 Decoder
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/mdl/NDFD_GRIB2Decoder/

I tested the Eumetsat GRIB file David sent me with the degrib.exe contained in the
program package and it reads the date and time from the grib. So it is a GRIB file.
The rest of the data I haven't tested up to now, but a quick look showed some
incompatibilities between the Data Tables used in Eumetsat and the NWS for GRIB2.

The NDFD GRIB2 Decoder is worth a look. It can generate images from all the
data contained in a GRIB2 file and generate a webpage linking all these images
together for easy viewing. That works for all the NWS Data covering the USA.
Recommended Download!!!

Description of the GRIB2 format is at:
FM 92-XII GRIB General Regularly-distributed Information in Binary Form
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tdl/iwt/grib2/doc.htm


Tom


Re: Transponder outage

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "a_van_belle" <a.van.belle@h...> wrote:
If it was a pure software matter, you should be able to get it
working again using a warm reboot.
I think that's what I'm doing, Arne. I don't need to press the
reset button, simply shut down Windows 2000, go through the BIOS
startup (which does NOT show the memory check), and login to Windows
2000 when it has booted. As the Setup4PC shows a locked signal, it
is as if the Tellique software cannot survive the loss of signal.
As you knwo, I only have a Pentium III 550MHz, so perhaps there is a
critical timeout, and my PC can't respond quickly enough.

By the way, other Eutelsat customers saw the same outages - one
actually contacted me to confirm the times....

Cheers,
David