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HRPT data

Lawrence <lawrence@...>
 

Does this data come through at random - test - times, or has it already been scheduled in? I accidentally left the setting to delete my first detected batch and have not seen any more since!

regards

Lawrence Harris


HD Monitoring

ALAN GARD <gard@...>
 

Hi Folks

Having not found anything in MBM to show it was compatible with my setup I found a free utility called SpeedFan which seems to run OK, shows HD temp continuously in the system tray and also monitors S.M.A.R.T. parameters on my Maxtor 6Y160M0.

Cheers
Alan


Re: Thanks to all

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

geojohnt@aol.com wrote:
[]
Arthur said >My advce install some (free!) HD temperature software.<
Could you please post a link Arthur - and does it give a 'good'
indication
of HD temperature?
[]
Of course with extended area NOAA AVHRR and MetOp data coming on
stream this year our computers are going to work ever harder with
the extra data.
Are we going to have to begin to think about a two computer system?

Regards,
John Tellick.
For disk temperature monitoring, I use DTemp from:

http://private.peterlink.ru/tochinov/

but I see Arne has mentioned other software as well. DTemp is adequate to give an indication - that's really all you need.

You may want to think about multiple computers if you want to receive a lot of the METOP data as well as the existing EUMETCast data. An alternative to a fast single receiving computer (2GHz/512MB) might be a couple of lower-spec computers (500Mhz - 1GHz/256MB) one for geostationary data and one for polar orbiters. Each requires an eToken and the TelliCast software from EUMETSAT. However, we will need to wait and see how well the single PC copes. Given the low cost of a 3GHz/512MB computer, and Arne's RAMdisk software, perhaps one "good" receiving PC will do. 1GB of data each METOP orbit - where are you going to store that?

I find it most useful that I can leave the receiving PC running continuously, while the main PC where I do my processing is usually rebooted once a month for security updates. No loss of data. With the RAMdisk employed, the main disks run much cooler as well.

Cheers,
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Re: Thanks to all

derfwmann
 

Hello John
Hello everybody

In the early days of EUMETCast being operational (there was nearly a year
trial period) I undertook a survey of what people were using for EUMETCast
reception with the hope of publishing a list. But the systems were so varied -
some single computer, some two computer set-ups then Arne came along with
RamDisk and the list just got longer and longer so I never got around to sorting
out the information.
I understand..

Since then computer specifications have doubled and prices fallen so it
would be interesting to know what people are using now and you have sparked a new
discussion.
So, who make a posting in the forum and everybody just put his configuration under?
Or perhabs better two postings. One for single computer user and one for two computer user..
Who starts?

I wonder if I might just comment on several recent e-mail's?
I have a single computer system with an Athlon 64 3,500+ CPU, 1 GB RAM and
250 GB SATA HD with XP Home SP2.
I download all 12 HRIT channel, all FSD channels, RSS, ATOVS and all the
MPEF and SAF channels (but only store for 2 days - depending on events).
I quite often run 24/7 and also run (the infamous) AOL Internet access for
emails and accessing EUMETSAT and ESA, etc. websites at the same time
downloading pages without any segment loss.
I also animate HRV and an IR channel at times but last Autumn I had 4
animation's on the go as well as the above for a period of a week 24/7 and the HD
began to chunter constantly and sounded 'in distress' and odd missing segments
appeared so I ditched several animation's and rebooted and the HD was much
happier.
Very interesting....
By this way a new idea perhabs:
I read in a electronic shop catalogue (for Germans: Reichelt.de ) about a IDE-Drive which will install like a normal harddrive but is as fast (?) 512 MB flash memory.
Perhabs a modul like this - if it would be fast enough - would be a better way for the main saving and working. But is that big enough?
Without any mechanic like HDDs which damage over time..

Arthur said >My advce install some (free!) HD temperature software.<
Could you please post a link Arthur - and does it give a 'good' indication
of HD temperature?
A link would be useful..I know that some - not all HDD - have a build in temperature sensor.
Motherboard Monitor supports this (I think samsung had a sensor, Maxtor not - its long time (2 years) ago where I help a friend with his computer and we install MBB.

Can anyone suggest what sort of power do modern computers consume?
I only know this link for cpu power
http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/cpu_tabelle.php?cputabelle=Desktop
..and at the webpage of www.apc.com you can check by a calculator the power needed (for UPS systems).

Of course with extended area NOAA AVHRR and MetOp data coming on stream this
year our computers are going to work ever harder with the extra data.
Sounds great. If I understand all here fine, in summer we got more data and more pictures?
Amazing...
..and funny then..some people need allways the fastes computer just for games and we have "some problems" just for processing weather-data :-)
Its a nice hobby - and the stuping computer become a new usefull work :-)

Are we going to have to begin to think about a two computer system?
You ask me?
Yes, but my problem is, that my main workstation for mails, surfing and so on is needed at the limit and also not run all time.
So no way. And my second computer where running the weather.station is the known Athlon which is to slow..
Finaly if the one computer system (Turion) doen't be powerfull enough a second Turion is needed. Need less power then one normaly computer.
But first I hope Arnes tip is right and it works all at this machine first time..

Cheers Florian


Re: Thanks to all

James Brown
 

Arthur said >My advce install some (free!) HD temperature software.<
Could you please post a link Arthur - and does it give a 'good' indication
of HD temperature?
Sorry to butt in John, but I use HDD Temperature version 1.4 and it seems reasonable though I have never tried putting a physical thermometer on the HD to test it. It just sits in the system tray with the temp showing in small neat box. A few option including overheat indicators etc.

Cheers
James
--
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Re: Thanks to all

geojohnt@...
 

In a message dated 23/02/2006 22:30:20 GMT Standard Time,
der-feuerwehrmann@gmx.de writes:

So, who make a posting in the forum and everybody just put his configuration
under?
Or perhabs better two postings. One for single computer user and one for two
computer user..
Who starts?


Florian,

I think I might be useful for newcomers to have this information but I'm not
sure this (or which) is the correct group for such a list.
Perhaps David could comment?
And, someone has to do the correlation?

In the meantime, thanks for the power link.
Sorry I can't help you regarding IDE drives.

My HD is a Maxtor 7Y25OMO - it says. Mother board ASUS A8NE-FM. Anyone know
if it has a built in temperature sensor?

Sounds great. If I understand all here fine, in summer we got more data and
more pictures?

Yes, NOAA polar orbiting imaging is to be added to EUMETCast in 2nd quarter
2006 and MetOp polar orbiter imaging in 3rd/4th quarter 2006.

Regards,
John.


Re: Thanks to all

geojohnt@...
 

In a message dated 23/02/2006 22:17:14 GMT Standard Time,
satellite@meteosat.co.uk writes:

Sorry to butt in John, but I use HDD Temperature version 1.4 and it
seems reasonable though I have never tried putting a physical
thermometer on the HD to test it. It just sits in the system tray with
the temp showing in small neat box. A few option including overheat
indicators etc.


James,

Goodness, no need to apologise, thanks for the information - in my case the
more information the better.
Where does HDD Temperature come from?

I've got 3 (possibly 4?) fans on my Athlon 64 computer - power supply,
ducted air from outside onto the CPU fan and one on the graphics card and a
ventilation 'hole' alongside the card slots.

Regards,
John.


Re: Thanks to all

derfwmann
 

Hello Arne

Thanks for your mail..thats information which I need..

I think my last mail and your answer overcut them?

Anyway.

How big should be "C"? I mean how many GB?
I don't know how much space the systemfiles needs?
(I plan Win2K)

And how / where can I setup that the data is stored (receiving) and processed at D?

Yes, CD-Rom and Floppy will only be connected after installing.
Later there its not needed, or?
Connecting to the other computer by network should be able and ok OR?
I'm alone in this my local network. (no other people in my family had a computer and also so had nobody access to this data and network)

Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: a_van_belle
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Thanks to all


Good choice Florian,

With this performance you will be able to run other programs too.
Internet Explorer is just an example of a very "performance hungry"
program that you should avoid.

Make sure your OS and program files (that are more or less "static")
are installed on a C partition and all data is stored on D:
Created a fixed paging space of twice the amount of RAM on D:

This way you are able to restore a complete working system quick if
you have a failure (using a drive image program) without loosing data.

Monitor the critical temperatures using MBM5 and/or Dtemp.exe
If needed enlarge holes in the front as many cases lack a good air
intake !

Once installed and connected to your network, disconnect CDROM and
floppy to save energy.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Der-Feuerwehrmann"
<der-feuerwehrmann@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all
> Big thanks to Mike, Markus, Arne, Steve, Alan and Robert
>
> Sounds all very interessting..
>
> That with the problem that normal cosumer HDD are not build for 24/7
run have I heard anytime too.
>
> Now after your postings its clear to keep the eumetcast receiving
and processing away from all other computer stuff.
> Special to not risk other data and also lost data..
>
> My plans after 3 days checkout of hardware and after your help here
is so a standalone computer just only for eumetcast.
> But how Alan had also think we pay here 18 Cent for 1 kilowatt hour
power..:-(
> I ask a friend with powermeter and he had many computers for check
the power of their computers and it seems to be no normal that a
computer needs 120-150 watts without monitor.
> Its so nearly 200-300 EUR a year for power just for one computer
here in germany..
> Much money..
>
> Now I try a perhabs new way, and hope its works...its follow:
>
> Shuttle Barebone with Heatpipe (silent) and small with Alucase
(colder) and it supports the Turion (not all boards do it!)
>
> AMD Turion 1.8 Ghz - the mobile version of the Athlon64
> - its needs 25 Watt instead 70 Watt at a Athlon and 90-100 Watt P4..
> Take a look to
> http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/cpu_tabelle.php?cputabelle=Desktop
> and at benchmark as fast as an Athlon 2600/2800 and so faster then a
2800 sempron
> I read about other people which have running systems with totaly 60
Watt (and so 90 EUR power only a year)
> I got them really cheap now at ebay...and thats was the sign to do
that.,,normaly they a little bit more expensive then a normal cpu, but
I have had luck at ebay.
>
> - samsung 250 Gb S-ata Harddrive. 3 years waranty, silent, less
power and cold, 8 Mb cache, was get cheap here, too.
> - 1 GB Ram MDT ram, also cheap to get..
>
> I hope thats enough..and I will write here more after the first
weeks then..
>
> PERHABS:
> What do you ALL think about a webpage / forum posting where
everybody of us poste his hardware for receiving and processing?
> So beginners have it a litlle bit more easy to check out and see
whats able..
> Also, every can get ideas from the others...
>
> With greatings
>
> Florian
>
>
>






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Re: Thanks to all

a_van_belle
 

Good choice Florian,

With this performance you will be able to run other programs too.
Internet Explorer is just an example of a very "performance hungry"
program that you should avoid.

Make sure your OS and program files (that are more or less "static")
are installed on a C partition and all data is stored on D:
Created a fixed paging space of twice the amount of RAM on D:

This way you are able to restore a complete working system quick if
you have a failure (using a drive image program) without loosing data.

Monitor the critical temperatures using MBM5 and/or Dtemp.exe
If needed enlarge holes in the front as many cases lack a good air
intake !

Once installed and connected to your network, disconnect CDROM and
floppy to save energy.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Der-Feuerwehrmann"
<der-feuerwehrmann@...> wrote:

Hello to all
Big thanks to Mike, Markus, Arne, Steve, Alan and Robert

Sounds all very interessting..

That with the problem that normal cosumer HDD are not build for 24/7
run have I heard anytime too.

Now after your postings its clear to keep the eumetcast receiving
and processing away from all other computer stuff.
Special to not risk other data and also lost data..

My plans after 3 days checkout of hardware and after your help here
is so a standalone computer just only for eumetcast.
But how Alan had also think we pay here 18 Cent for 1 kilowatt hour
power..:-(
I ask a friend with powermeter and he had many computers for check
the power of their computers and it seems to be no normal that a
computer needs 120-150 watts without monitor.
Its so nearly 200-300 EUR a year for power just for one computer
here in germany..
Much money..

Now I try a perhabs new way, and hope its works...its follow:

Shuttle Barebone with Heatpipe (silent) and small with Alucase
(colder) and it supports the Turion (not all boards do it!)

AMD Turion 1.8 Ghz - the mobile version of the Athlon64
- its needs 25 Watt instead 70 Watt at a Athlon and 90-100 Watt P4..
Take a look to
http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/cpu_tabelle.php?cputabelle=Desktop
and at benchmark as fast as an Athlon 2600/2800 and so faster then a
2800 sempron
I read about other people which have running systems with totaly 60
Watt (and so 90 EUR power only a year)
I got them really cheap now at ebay...and thats was the sign to do
that.,,normaly they a little bit more expensive then a normal cpu, but
I have had luck at ebay.

- samsung 250 Gb S-ata Harddrive. 3 years waranty, silent, less
power and cold, 8 Mb cache, was get cheap here, too.
- 1 GB Ram MDT ram, also cheap to get..

I hope thats enough..and I will write here more after the first
weeks then..

PERHABS:
What do you ALL think about a webpage / forum posting where
everybody of us poste his hardware for receiving and processing?
So beginners have it a litlle bit more easy to check out and see
whats able..
Also, every can get ideas from the others...

With greatings

Florian

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Partition and Harddrive question

derfwmann
 

Hello everybody

Sorry for a question again..

I think about all your answer in the past hours and got follow question for an Single-computer configuration:

- Its better a two harddrive configuration?

or
- its better to have to partition for tunning or better one?

I just waiting for my registration and so I stilt befor my first installation.
Of course I will try to do all from the start in the best way..

How works the receiving?

Somebody of you write that the receiving harddrive was killed after a time.
If I understand all, the Telli-Software saves under C:&#92;programmes&#92;xxx&#92;received&#92; or like this..
Thats so the root hardrive..
Is there anywhere a way to setup that the telli-Software should save under D: and then the MSG datamanage catch it there and move then to e.g. C:&#92;processing?

Or how - if it use two HDD - is the best way of config to have a second HDD which had the hardest load (receiving OR processing - which more harder load?
and which can crash later without kill the complete system..
(I think about a way that there is a main HDD with the system and one HDD which "works" mostly and can crash and replace easily)

And whats anyway better at a one HDD configuration one big partition or two ?
Or three? One System, one receiving and the third for processing?

Questions over questions...have you got a tip?

Thanks!

Cheers Florian


Re: Thanks to all

geojohnt@...
 

Der-Feuerwehrmann wrote:
[]
What do you ALL think about a webpage / forum posting where everybody
of us poste his hardware for receiving and processing?
So beginners have it a litlle bit more easy to check out and see
whats able..
Also, every can get ideas from the others...

With greatings

Florian
Florian,

In the early days of EUMETCast being operational (there was nearly a year
trial period) I undertook a survey of what people were using for EUMETCast
reception with the hope of publishing a list. But the systems were so varied -
some single computer, some two computer set-ups then Arne came along with
RamDisk and the list just got longer and longer so I never got around to sorting
out the information.

Since then computer specifications have doubled and prices fallen so it
would be interesting to know what people are using now and you have sparked a new
discussion.

I wonder if I might just comment on several recent e-mail's?
I have a single computer system with an Athlon 64 3,500+ CPU, 1 GB RAM and
250 GB SATA HD with XP Home SP2.
I download all 12 HRIT channel, all FSD channels, RSS, ATOVS and all the
MPEF and SAF channels (but only store for 2 days - depending on events).
I quite often run 24/7 and also run (the infamous) AOL Internet access for
emails and accessing EUMETSAT and ESA, etc. websites at the same time
downloading pages without any segment loss.

I also animate HRV and an IR channel at times but last Autumn I had 4
animation's on the go as well as the above for a period of a week 24/7 and the HD
began to chunter constantly and sounded 'in distress' and odd missing segments
appeared so I ditched several animation's and rebooted and the HD was much
happier.

Arthur said >My advce install some (free!) HD temperature software.<
Could you please post a link Arthur - and does it give a 'good' indication
of HD temperature?

Can anyone suggest what sort of power do modern computers consume?

Of course with extended area NOAA AVHRR and MetOp data coming on stream this
year our computers are going to work ever harder with the extra data.
Are we going to have to begin to think about a two computer system?

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: Thanks to all

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Der-Feuerwehrmann wrote:
[]
What do you ALL think about a webpage / forum posting where everybody
of us poste his hardware for receiving and processing? So beginners have it a litlle bit more easy to check out and see
whats able.. Also, every can get ideas from the others...
With greatings
Florian
Folks,

I can add any information you feel is helpful to the existing Web page:

http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/software/msg_dm_pc.htm

Thanks for all the input to Florian.

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.net
Email: davidtaylor@writeme.com


Thanks to all

derfwmann
 

Hello to all
Big thanks to Mike, Markus, Arne, Steve, Alan and Robert

Sounds all very interessting..

That with the problem that normal cosumer HDD are not build for 24/7 run have I heard anytime too.

Now after your postings its clear to keep the eumetcast receiving and processing away from all other computer stuff.
Special to not risk other data and also lost data..

My plans after 3 days checkout of hardware and after your help here is so a standalone computer just only for eumetcast.
But how Alan had also think we pay here 18 Cent for 1 kilowatt hour power..:-(
I ask a friend with powermeter and he had many computers for check the power of their computers and it seems to be no normal that a computer needs 120-150 watts without monitor.
Its so nearly 200-300 EUR a year for power just for one computer here in germany..
Much money..

Now I try a perhabs new way, and hope its works...its follow:

Shuttle Barebone with Heatpipe (silent) and small with Alucase (colder) and it supports the Turion (not all boards do it!)

AMD Turion 1.8 Ghz - the mobile version of the Athlon64
- its needs 25 Watt instead 70 Watt at a Athlon and 90-100 Watt P4..
Take a look to
http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/cpu_tabelle.php?cputabelle=Desktop
and at benchmark as fast as an Athlon 2600/2800 and so faster then a 2800 sempron
I read about other people which have running systems with totaly 60 Watt (and so 90 EUR power only a year)
I got them really cheap now at ebay...and thats was the sign to do that.,,normaly they a little bit more expensive then a normal cpu, but I have had luck at ebay.

- samsung 250 Gb S-ata Harddrive. 3 years waranty, silent, less power and cold, 8 Mb cache, was get cheap here, too.
- 1 GB Ram MDT ram, also cheap to get..

I hope thats enough..and I will write here more after the first weeks then..

PERHABS:
What do you ALL think about a webpage / forum posting where everybody of us poste his hardware for receiving and processing?
So beginners have it a litlle bit more easy to check out and see whats able..
Also, every can get ideas from the others...

With greatings

Florian


Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

arthur <arthur.tenkaten@...>
 

HD failure is seldom a problem here. We run our systems almost without
restarting. HD life is very much limited once they heat over 55 degrees
centigrade. Had a few problems with the early Maxtor 200Gb disks (3 disks
within two weeks). Adding a extra cooling ribs to the disk and opening the
case in front of the disk helped. My advce install some (free!) HD
temperature software. It seemes by the way that a continuous running PC has
longer lifetime then one that cooles down and is restarted every day or so.
What is of interest to some may be how to bring down power consumption. For
instance if you consider the cost of a Pentium III at 1 GHz. versus a
pentium IV at 2200GHz a year of continuous operation differs about 100E. in
energy bills in favor of the PIII.

bye for now,

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MSG-1@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Robert Moore
Sent: 23 February 2006 11:36
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?


While I've had some problems, none have been attributable to
hardware. My
reception PC has run from the start of of MSG-1 trials and as
far as I can
remember has only been switched off once (save by a power cut
or two) for a
month in 2004 when I was in India. Pentium 4 2GHz, 512MB RAM,
80GB HDD -
which has only been above a quarter full when my
data-processing PC failed
to restart after a power cut - then the HDD filled but was easily
recovered. This PC runs under Windows XP Professional and is
used solely
for Meteosat-8 reception (save that it has an internet connection and
software which checks the clock).
Processing PC is much higher spec Pentium 4 3GHz, 2GB RAM 200GB HDD,
Windows XP Professional. Very heavily used for David's
software, radio data
processing, number-crunching, photographic work,
word-processing, email,
internet etc etc and regularly runs two sound cards simultaneously.
Purchased when MSG-1 was launched, only one month off again.
No problems.
But given its age and being aware of possible end-of-life
problems I am now
running automated backups of working files on this machine to
another PC -
because if this one fails I would really be in trouble as my
serious work
would be lost (Yes, sometimes hard to remember -- but
Meteosat-8 is really
only a hobby!).
So looks like two CPUs are running like new - should we be
more concerned
with hard drives? The hard drive on my weather station machine
self-destroyed and the supplier said that HDDs for the
general consumer
market could not be expected to run 24/7 and that one needed a better
quality HDD for that kind of use. I don't know if this chimes in with
anyone else's experience.

Robert



--On 23 February 2006 11:54 +0100 Alan Sewards
<asewards@free.fr> wrote:

I run my Eumetcast reception system on an Athlon 2400 PC
and it has been
running from the beginning of the service trials. OS is Win
XP Home, 1
GB RAM. 2 HDD, one as the C: drive and a D: drive for the
MSG data. I
lost the D: drive after about a year, I believe largely
due to the fact
that I tried to run MSG Animator on the machine as well as Tellicast
reception and MSG Data Manager - it was just too much for
the disk, even
though the disk that failed was not the C: drive. Since then I run
Animator on another machine networked to the reception PC.
The system
runs 24/7 and is not rebooted except when XP Security updates so
dictate. I have to add that electricity costs in France
where I live are
very reasonable and leaving computers on is not costly from the
electricity consumed viewpoint. This does not seem to apply
to Germany
from what I have read.

Best regards - Alan

Steve Blackmore wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:42 -0000, you wrote:


I have been running the same PC (an old MSI 6209
barebone) from the
early start of EUMETCast on May 2003. It runs W2K 24x7
and generally
is only rebooted at power loss or "dust-off" maintenance.
Similar story here, mine has 1Gb of memory and hasn't been rebooted
since the dongles were issued. Runs 24/7 flawlessly. CPU
fan is getting
a bit noisy so might just be due for an overhaul sometime soon.

Does more harm and causes more stress turning PC's on and
off than just
leaving them running.

Steve Blackmore
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Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

Robert Moore
 

While I've had some problems, none have been attributable to hardware. My reception PC has run from the start of of MSG-1 trials and as far as I can remember has only been switched off once (save by a power cut or two) for a month in 2004 when I was in India. Pentium 4 2GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD - which has only been above a quarter full when my data-processing PC failed to restart after a power cut - then the HDD filled but was easily recovered. This PC runs under Windows XP Professional and is used solely for Meteosat-8 reception (save that it has an internet connection and software which checks the clock).
Processing PC is much higher spec Pentium 4 3GHz, 2GB RAM 200GB HDD, Windows XP Professional. Very heavily used for David's software, radio data processing, number-crunching, photographic work, word-processing, email, internet etc etc and regularly runs two sound cards simultaneously. Purchased when MSG-1 was launched, only one month off again. No problems.
But given its age and being aware of possible end-of-life problems I am now running automated backups of working files on this machine to another PC - because if this one fails I would really be in trouble as my serious work would be lost (Yes, sometimes hard to remember -- but Meteosat-8 is really only a hobby!).
So looks like two CPUs are running like new - should we be more concerned with hard drives? The hard drive on my weather station machine self-destroyed and the supplier said that HDDs for the general consumer market could not be expected to run 24/7 and that one needed a better quality HDD for that kind of use. I don't know if this chimes in with anyone else's experience.

Robert



--On 23 February 2006 11:54 +0100 Alan Sewards <asewards@free.fr> wrote:

I run my Eumetcast reception system on an Athlon 2400 PC and it has been
running from the beginning of the service trials. OS is Win XP Home, 1
GB RAM. 2 HDD, one as the C: drive and a D: drive for the MSG data. I
lost the D: drive after about a year, I believe largely due to the fact
that I tried to run MSG Animator on the machine as well as Tellicast
reception and MSG Data Manager - it was just too much for the disk, even
though the disk that failed was not the C: drive. Since then I run
Animator on another machine networked to the reception PC. The system
runs 24/7 and is not rebooted except when XP Security updates so
dictate. I have to add that electricity costs in France where I live are
very reasonable and leaving computers on is not costly from the
electricity consumed viewpoint. This does not seem to apply to Germany
from what I have read.

Best regards - Alan

Steve Blackmore wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:42 -0000, you wrote:


I have been running the same PC (an old MSI 6209 barebone) from the
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is only rebooted at power loss or "dust-off" maintenance.
Similar story here, mine has 1Gb of memory and hasn't been rebooted
since the dongles were issued. Runs 24/7 flawlessly. CPU fan is getting
a bit noisy so might just be due for an overhaul sometime soon.

Does more harm and causes more stress turning PC's on and off than just
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Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

Alan Sewards <asewards@...>
 

I run my Eumetcast reception system on an Athlon 2400 PC and it has been
running from the beginning of the service trials. OS is Win XP Home, 1
GB RAM. 2 HDD, one as the C: drive and a D: drive for the MSG data. I
lost the D: drive after about a year, I believe largely due to the fact
that I tried to run MSG Animator on the machine as well as Tellicast
reception and MSG Data Manager - it was just too much for the disk, even
though the disk that failed was not the C: drive. Since then I run
Animator on another machine networked to the reception PC. The system
runs 24/7 and is not rebooted except when XP Security updates so
dictate. I have to add that electricity costs in France where I live are
very reasonable and leaving computers on is not costly from the
electricity consumed viewpoint. This does not seem to apply to Germany
from what I have read.

Best regards - Alan

Steve Blackmore wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:42 -0000, you wrote:


I have been running the same PC (an old MSI 6209 barebone) from the
early start of EUMETCast on May 2003. It runs W2K 24x7 and generally
is only rebooted at power loss or "dust-off" maintenance.
Similar story here, mine has 1Gb of memory and hasn't been rebooted
since the dongles were issued. Runs 24/7 flawlessly. CPU fan is getting
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Does more harm and causes more stress turning PC's on and off than just
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Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

Steve Blackmore <steve@...>
 

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:42 -0000, you wrote:


I have been running the same PC (an old MSI 6209 barebone) from the
early start of EUMETCast on May 2003. It runs W2K 24x7 and generally
is only rebooted at power loss or "dust-off" maintenance.
Similar story here, mine has 1Gb of memory and hasn't been rebooted
since the dongles were issued. Runs 24/7 flawlessly. CPU fan is getting
a bit noisy so might just be due for an overhaul sometime soon.

Does more harm and causes more stress turning PC's on and off than just
leaving them running.

Steve Blackmore
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Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

a_van_belle
 

Hello Florian,

Thanks to Goetz, Markus and Mike

I have been running the same PC (an old MSI 6209 barebone) from the
early start of EUMETCast on May 2003. It runs W2K 24x7 and generally
is only rebooted at power loss or "dust-off" maintenance.
EUMETCast and MDM do run very stable and never caused my system to
hang. But with limited RAM I need to restart MDM about once a month to
prevent it running out of system resources.

Had to replace the old 40GB disk, a case fan and a CPU fan over the years.
After an update from Celeron 800 and 256Mb to 1 Ghz Pentium and 512 Mb
I also decode using Datamanager.
Using a Ramdisk will ease the load on the disk but animating on the
same PC will increase the load again.
Very important is a good case layout that keeps your disk and CPU
running cool.
As I use an older version Skystar (v2.3), this needs some cooling too.

You will have to experiment with other programs to see if the system
can handle the load. For example launching Internet Explorer can cause
missing segments on my configuration, if I need to monitor Tellicast I
access it from my second PC.
Make sure the mainboard can hold enough RAM (1GB) as mine is up to the
max at 512 Mb !

With the large amount of data coming in (9 GB per day) you will have
to move decoded data from the receive PC (or have MDM delete it) as a
fully fragmented disk will slow things down.

If your weather station is connected to the internet you will need a
firewall and up to date virus scanner, does need a bit of additional
performance.


--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Der-Feuerwehrmann"
<der-feuerwehrmann@...> wrote:

Hello everybody
Hello Götz

Thanks for the help..

Follow small questions:

- I read all time that there is much traffic and heavy load to the
harddrives.
Questions to all: Is there a shorter hard drive live noticed?
I mean that harddrives dies ealier? How long?
Whats manufactor of HDD would be life longer?
Is it better to install a second harddrive in the computer for the
receiving traffic load instead running all at the main drive?
(I think about harddrive crashes, or is there no shorter HDD lifetime?)

- is there a main different between using a AMD Sempron or Athlon or
must be this a Celeron or Pentium 4 with the same e.g. 2,8 Ghz?
Or is it anyway? A sempron does save more power.. (for one computer
configuration)

- last and main important question to the receiving or receiving and
processing computer way: Is there a way to use this computer - if its
fast enough - also for running the own weather station and other all
time functions?
Background: I use this time a Athlon 900 with W2K and 768 MB maximum
ram for running my weather station 24 hours a day, also receiving fax
and also for the telefon answering machine. Load is this tme 30-50% CPU.
I think this machine will not be powered enough now for running only
receiving eumetcast too. Or what do you think?
So I have now two plans and didn't now which is better:
- setting up a just only Eumetcast computer for receiving and
proessing and buy a cheap older Athlon sockel board with sempron oder
Athlon 2400 with 1 Gb ram and 250 Gb S-ata Samsung HDD, and keep the
weather-station running at the athlon 900. Bad is the double energy
power needed and costs money for running two computers.
OR: The new computer will also do the services which run under the
Athlon 900 above this time..or is that not usefull?
Most important: Whats your knowledge about system hangs and freezes?
The Athlon 900 runs very fine..100 days with reboot.
I'm a little bit frighten that the eumetcast receiving is not stable
and the computer hangs. And I have since 1997 no weather data
recording lost and so freezes and I would be unhappy if the
combination recording the own weather data and eumetcast doens't fit.
So: How stable is the eumetcast receiving?

Thanks for the help and sorry for so much questions..

As soon as I learn more and become in the next months knowledge
about all, I will give it back if other beginners ask here, and help
them of course.

P.S. Thanks Götz for the german newsgroup, but I think here are more
people?
Is there other - perhabs german - websites about MSG? Thanks

PS: Don't wonder about my german nickname as mailadress..I used it
as protection of spam in forums and mailinglists. Feuerwehrmann means
Firefighter (yes, I'm it).

With friendly greatings

Florian



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Re: Hardware lifetime? CPU? Whats your opinion?

Mike Jupp
 

Just to show hardware can be reliable.

My system is based on a ASRock Skt A board with a Athlon XP2800
processor with 512kb of ram, HDD is an Excelstor 80GB running WIN2K PRO.
This system has run nonstop since August 2004 with no hardware changes.
There have been the odd software glitches but mainly due to lack of
memory as I run MSG data manager, MSG animator and my Davis weather
station as well. I take about 6 of the main msg channels plus FSD this
keeps a reasonable amount of ram free.

Cheers....Mike


Tellicast for Linux PPC

mkempfde
 

A very cost and energy efficient system for the reception of Eumetcast
could be build with the availability of the Tellicast and eku software
for Linux PPC. There are quite a few DVB-S settop boxes now available
with Linux as operating system. They also offer an USB and Ethernet
interface and would be perfect for the reception of Eumetcast. Some of
them can be outfitted with a hard disk. Otherwise the data could be
directly stored on a network attached device like an Linksys NSLU2. I'm
pretty sure that a 250Mhz PPC has enough processing power for the
reception and storage of the data.

Markus Kempf