From: Dave Cawley
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Any Users Receiving Atlantic Bird 3? <<<

John Din and I are going to try this in the next 2 weeks with the cheap
Technisat receiver.

Regards

Dave

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, Paul Telco <paul@t...> wrote:

David,

I took the LRIT PID out to reduce hard drive usage on my receive

PC. That explains why FSD also stopped.

Many Thanks,

Paul

OK, that makes sense.

Presumably, what you were trying to achieve was to get the FSD, but
not the unwanted LRIT data from MSG-1? There doesn't seem to be a
way of achieving that with the present Data Channel organisation,
does there? If there were more sub-division of the data channels,
then you could do that....

But, I did think that the MSG Data Manager would delete the LRIT
data from the Receiver PC even if you didn't process it, so I don't
quite understand what you were trying to do in the first place.

Cheers,
David

David,

I took the LRIT PID out to reduce hard drive usage on my receive PC. That explains why FSD also stopped.

Many Thanks,

Paul

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "M5WJF" <m5wjf.qthr@b...> wrote:

indeed what the settings should be, obviously I've got something
configured incorrectly, anyone able to offer me a solution?

73 de Wayne M5WJF

Hi All,

Configured Interface as 192.168.0.5 and Tellique now works
correctly...how does this work...anyone?

Now to re-configure MDM on the XP Pro machine...I know it's the
middle of the night, but...

73 de Wayne M5WJF

Hi All,

Oh am I having problems here!

I have swapped over to a two PC system, having XP Pro on one machine
and 98SE on another. The intention being to collect raw data using
Tellique/98SE and process this using MDM/XP Pro over a 100Mbit
Network.

Having discovered that Norton Firewall on the XP Pro machine wanted
fixed Intranet IP's and the 98SE machine configured as a trusted
site before allowing a viable Network to exist, I've now run into
problems with the Tellique Software running on the 98SE machine.

It requires an IP of 192.168.238.238 by default for the Interface,
which appears to be the wrong address.

Having tried 192.168.0.2 (98SE PC) I've now got an error report
of 'Receive buffer size for socket could not be adapted to requested
value (1000000 > 65280). This could cause reception problems. Check
system limits!'

Ahem, all well and good if I knew where to look for these limits or
indeed what the settings should be, obviously I've got something
configured incorrectly, anyone able to offer me a solution?

73 de Wayne M5WJF

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "jeffreypkelly" <jkelly@b...> wrote:

After reading the RIG article and living on the US east coast, I am
interested in setting up a MSG system. Is anyone receiving this

way

yet? I could use a little help on this type of receiver and card.

thanks,

Jeff Kelly

Jeff,

I can't tell you much more than is in the RIG Journal. You saw the
comments on dish size, I expect. You would need to get a username
and password from Eumetsat, so I would suggest applying to be an
(Amateur) End User. John Tellick can probably provide guidance on
filling in the Eumetsat forms.

You will also have seen the comments about needing a C-band RX with
the appropriate IF to suit the DVB card, and that there are two DVB
cards recommended (one for each waveband of DVB satellite). You
could take a look at:

http://www.satsignal.net => Weather Satellites, MSG-1 & ATOVS

for a little more guidance as well.

We'd be delighted to have you on board!

73,
David

After reading the RIG article and living on the US east coast, I am
interested in setting up a MSG system. Is anyone receiving this way
yet? I could use a little help on this type of receiver and card.

thanks,

Jeff Kelly
KT2K
08750

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "John Willis" <john@l...> wrote:

Same here and still no signals. Also an error message referring

to MSG Manager appeared:

"Invalid argument to date encode" and timed at 17:15?

John Willis

.. and what version of the MSG Data Manager? I haven't seen that
problem here. Still getting ADMIN messages, foreign satellites etc.

Cheers,
David

Same here and still no signals. Also an error message referring to MSG Manager appeared:

"Invalid argument to date encode" and timed at 17:15?

John Willis

If you are only getting the first line then I still suspect your PID or
username/password setup is wrong somewhere. The fact that you are

receiving

the announcement channel confirms that all other hardware and software

is

working ok.

Did you resolve the user_key / user_key_crypt issue in your recv.ini

file?

To me it sounds like this is still the problem .

Paul

Actually, for those circumstances, it would be useful if there was an
"open" password, granted just for the lowest level of data access (three
hourly LRIT, plus 15-minute ADMIN messaages or whatever), so that people
were able to confirm their system. The username/password has been known
to be wrong before.....

Cheers,
David

... seems to have stopped at 18:07. Usually, if I post a message
saying that, data resumes shortly afterwards, Fingers crossed!

David

My system has not received any FSD for a few days now. Could

someone tell me the PID for FSD? I can only find data on HRIT, LRIT
and EARS in TD-15.

Many thanks,

Paul

The LRIT PID is the correct one. 301 (decimal).

Silly questions:

- do you have the process FSD boxes checked?

- do you have a pile of unprocessed FSD files in
C:&#92;Tellique&#92;received?

- you don't have different receive folder specified for Data Channel
2 and Data Channel 3 in the recv-channels.ini file?

Cheers,
David

Hello,

My system has not received any FSD for a few days now. Could someone tell me
the PID for FSD? I can only find data on HRIT, LRIT and EARS in TD-15.

Many thanks,

Paul

Fabrice,

I noticed on thing : under SETUP4PC, "Statistics", only 1 "MC"
channel seems to receive data. Mac-Address is 01-00-5E-5F-DE-DF.
On all other channels, there is no data flow.
Do you see the same thing on your computer ?

My computer shows one channel like yours, Mac-Address is 01-00-5E-5F-DE-DF
when receiving the announcement channel only.

When a data channel starts ( a file is being received ) I get another line
below it, Mac-Address is 01-00-5E-5F-DE-15
When a second data channel starts ( two files simultaneously I think ) I get
a third line, Mac-Address is 01-00-5E-5F-DE-17

If you are only getting the first line then I still suspect your PID or
username/password setup is wrong somewhere. The fact that you are receiving
the announcement channel confirms that all other hardware and software is
working ok.

Did you resolve the user_key / user_key_crypt issue in your recv.ini file?
To me it sounds like this is still the problem .

Paul

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, Arne van Belle <a.van.belle@h...>
wrote:

Hello All,

I had a problem while processing HRV segment 17 from cycle 0900.
MDM (version 1.2.2.231) was halting with CPU usage 99%.

Arne,

That segment was faulty, in that the header data was wrong. I have
changed my program to fix that problem. A beta update(V1.2.4.236)
is available from my Web site.

I would have thought that the Tellique software would have not
delivered files incorrectly. However, there is no overall checksum
on the file, so it is impossible to be sure that the file is
intact. Obviously, in the system design architecture, it is assumed
that the transmission is error free at that point.

Cheers,
David

Thanks John - this looks very much like the glossy brochure we were given at
Leicester. I suppose I was hoping for some more technical advice - may be what
I am looking for should come from the meteorologists rather than EUMETSAT.
Best wishes
Robert



Quoting johnrigsec@aol.com:

In a message dated 11-10-03 17:16:41 GMT Daylight Time,
rsmoore@liverpool.ac.uk writes:

A formless blob moves up over the
Irish Sea and the Welsh coast - how do I know if this is cloud or fog?
Actually
I know it's cloud because I can look out of the window - but supposing it
was
in the North Sea?

Robert,

As you know MSG satellites will observe the Earth in 12 spectral channels.
Each channel has the ability to detect/show various features.
If you go to the EUMETSAT website and look for document EUM BR 11 -
Applications of Meteosat Second Generation - a very informative and
interesting
document - page 7 details the various channels that MSG senses in and gives a

description of what the channels 'show.'

Regards,
John Tellick.







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--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Sewards" <alan.sewards@c...>
wrote:

Hi all,
This morning when I checked the wxsat computer I found MDM

stuck at the 0315 cycle.

Alan,

What do you mean by stuck. Do you mean that the program was
hanging, or simply that 0315 was the last available data?

If you have a bad segment, please do forward it. I have tried to
write the MSG Data Manager to be robust against errors, but there
may be some untrapped ones. So far I have seen:

- data longer than the header says (i.e. corrupted header)
- file shorter that it should be (i.e. truncated file)
- (apparently) bad JPEG data

I currently have one bad segment from Arne to check, but it is not
the same time as you just reported.


The tray showed a host of tellique icons which quickly disappeared
leaving no tellique icon, but the green receiver icon was there and
showed OK on signal and quality. I tried to restart tellique but to
no avail. At this point I shut down the computer, waited 15 seconds
and then restarted (having found this to be a good procedure when
having receiver or tellique problems). Tellique then started OK and
the tellique&#92;received directory started filling up with files, so I
started MDM which started processing them and all appeared to be
well. The tellique log file showed that at 0322 it found some
irregularities and so shut down tqrecv and it stayed shut down until
I appeared some two hours later (I have the log if anyone is
interested).

Yes, if you could Zip and e-mail it I would like to see it.

Is this an isolated occurrence which just affected me? Has

anyone else experienced a similar problem? I confess to being
concerned about software for processing real-time data which just
stops working. Seems as though a little work is called for here by T-
Systems.

Best regards - Alan

I had used to think that as well. When the eToken first came out,
things got dramatically worse! However, an upgrade of the eToken
runtime environment seemed to fix that problem (probably...), and
Eumetsat now have a more recent version of the Tellique software
which they are beta testing. I expect they will make that available
to registered users in due course. My present feeling is, though,
that for the best reliability the absolute minimum should be run on
the Receiver PC, and that a single PC system may ultimately be less
reliable than a two-PC setup.

Cheers,
David

In a message dated 13-10-03 11:06:55 GMT Daylight Time,
douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk writes:

just let me add something already
confirmed by Eumestat.
They have stated that the future has still to be considered but that the
current DVB arrangement will continue at least until they have a full
operational set-up with proven, fully working satellites. They have defined
that as MSG-3 operational and MSG-2 in standby.

Douglas,

That has indeed been my understanding for some time now and I, personally,
think that this will be the case.

However I have raised these matters - future dissemination and data policy,
with
EUMETSAT and have been informed that a definite answer cannot yet be given.
The future of EUMETCast is on the agenda for several upcoming delegate body
meetings.

But I have been told MSG-2, 3 and 4 the SSPAs will be modified and the
missions
will be run as planned, this includes L-band dissemination.

We need to remember that EUMETSAT is governed by the EUMETSAT Council
so, dare I say, what EUMETSAT would like to do may not necessarily be agreed
by the members of the EUMETSAT Council.

The next EUMETSAT Council meeting is in November so I hope there will be some
good news to follow.

Regards,
John.

Hi all,
This morning when I checked the wxsat computer I found MDM stuck at the
0315 cycle. The tray showed a host of tellique icons which quickly
disappeared leaving no tellique icon, but the green receiver icon was there
and showed OK on signal and quality. I tried to restart tellique but to no
avail. At this point I shut down the computer, waited 15 seconds and then
restarted (having found this to be a good procedure when having receiver or
tellique problems). Tellique then started OK and the tellique&#92;received
directory started filling up with files, so I started MDM which started
processing them and all appeared to be well. The tellique log file showed
that at 0322 it found some irregularities and so shut down tqrecv and it
stayed shut down until I appeared some two hours later (I have the log if
anyone is interested).
Is this an isolated occurrence which just affected me? Has anyone else
experienced a similar problem? I confess to being concerned about software
for processing real-time data which just stops working. Seems as though a
little work is called for here by T-Systems.

Best regards - Alan

Alan Sewards
email: alan.sewards@computer.org
web site: http://asewards.free.fr

Thanks David for your reply.

Must have been a local problem I guess.
Do have "Wait for segments" on.
I will send the faulty segment and will update to the latest MDM
version.

Greetings,
Arne van Belle