Robert:
"TechniSat
DAS Original" and a bunch of 1s and 0s in yellow on an orange background

Alan

Robert Moore wrote:

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Thanks for that David - I'll be looking at it shortly I hope! I am still only getting 6 hourly images so I have decided to do a System Restore to well before I started the upgrade. If I can get everything running on the old basis I can then start again. Can I check one thing with list members? When you do Setup4PC what banner do you get across the top of the window - I get a B2C2 logo. I gather not everyone gets this with the upgraded software.
Anyhow - here goes the System Restore!

Robert

01352 714456

Folks,

Following suggestions from one of our group members, EUMETSAT have kindly agreed to allow the publication of this EUMETCast Troubleshooting Guide:

http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/wxsat/atovs/EUMETCast-trouble-shooting-guide.html

I have added the document to our group's Links section. Many thanks to EUMETSAT for allowing reproduction of this information, which has both general sections, and Windows and Linux specific sections.

Cheers,
David
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nigel heasman wrote:
[]

Hi David,
I won't be able to get to the Symposium (for obvious
reasons!) but hope it goes well for you and all the
other speakers.
Will your (and maybe other?) presentations be
available, later, on CD for those who cannot make it?
regards
Nigel

Good point, Nigel. I'm copying your request to Francis Bell who has handled these requests in the past. I suggest you keep an eye open for a response on the GEO-subscribers Yahoo group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GEO-Subscribers/

Cheers,
David
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--- David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
Folks,

Just a reminder that there is still time to register
for the GEO Symposium. Please see this Web page for
details:

http://www.geo-web.org.uk/symposium05.html

There is a comprehensive program of speakers and
activities, including speakers from EUMETSAT, USA and
the Netherlands, and I will be making an
announcement of an important update to one of my
programs. I do hope to find time to chat with as many
people as possible, as the day looks quite
packed!

See you in Leicester!

Cheers,
David
---------------------------------------------------
Hi David,
I won't be able to get to the Symposium (for obvious
reasons!) but hope it goes well for you and all the
other speakers.
Will your (and maybe other?) presentations be
available, later, on CD for those who cannot make it?
regards
Nigel

Folks,

Just a reminder that there is still time to register for the GEO Symposium. Please see this Web page for details:

http://www.geo-web.org.uk/symposium05.html

There is a comprehensive program of speakers and activities, including speakers from EUMETSAT, USA and the Netherlands, and I will be making an announcement of an important update to one of my programs. I do hope to find time to chat with as many people as possible, as the day looks quite packed!

See you in Leicester!

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.net
Email: davidtaylor@writeme.com

David painter wrote:

Folks,
Seems that EUMETSAT may want a standby generator!

Would have thought that they had a working "maintained supply" for
this sort of operation,
most satellite services and cabins I have seen have batteries AND a
generator for just such occurrances!

Q) If they lose the mains supply on the ground is that data lost
"forever"?!

:-(
David P

David,

I suspect that they /do/ have a standby generator, but that it will be for essential kit only. Judging by the number of servers I've seen in that building, a standby generator would have the be "rather large" if it was to power the whole building!

David
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Eumetsat have announced that the full RSS service (� hourly at the moment)
will re-commence at 18.00 UTC.

Regards
Douglas.

Thanks David! Found it!
Regards,
Jimmy.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Folks,
Seems that EUMETSAT may want a standby generator!

Would have thought that they had a working "maintained supply" for this sort of operation,
most satellite services and cabins I have seen have batteries AND a generator for just such occurrances!

Q) If they lose the mains supply on the ground is that data lost "forever"?!

:-(
David P

As from 16:15z HRIT and LRIT back in service. RSS since 14:00 but not yet at
10 min intervals.

It seems we are almost there.



Thanks Eumetsat for the great effort.



Ferdinand Valk

I don't believe that the satellite control station did not have a full
UPS - the spacecraft is far too valuable to leave to its own devices in
case of a power failure. All my experience was that each satellite had
not only a control and telemetry station to itself but full backup of
the station and the power, usually elsewhere. I suspect in this case the
station used for data processing and distribution did not have full UPS
backup, but I'll bet the spacecraft did!
Regards - Alan


David J Taylor wrote:

Douglas Deans wrote:
[]

Yes the RSS seems to be ½ hourly at the moment. (I have the 15.00 as
well now). It looks like the service they give when they are doing
full scans with Meteosat 6 ie you don't see the variable position
black top ! Geographic outlines are slowly getting back to the
correct position.

Agreed.

Must be quite a job getting all those services (including satellite
control) back up after a total power failure.

Regards
Douglas.

Yes, indeed. The processing for Met-8 relies on predicting what the
errors will be as a complete scan is not available for matching until
/after/ the segments have been disseminated.

We were wondering what the satellites did if they got no control signal
for a period. Continue as they are? Shut down for safety? A guess is
that Met-8 is more complex to recover than Met-5, 6 or 7, but I must
admit
that once we say the LRIT data I thought that would be things soon
back to
normal. Not yet, at least.

I don't envy them the task at all. After the Christmas break, we often
saw systems that failed to boot, particularly with older hard disks which
needed a "gentle tap". That after a controlled shutdown as well. With
network stuff, booting order can be important as well. I hope they had a
generator for keeping the critical stuff going.

I expect there will be lessons to be learned. My thanks go out to
EUMETSAT for restoring as much as they have so far.

Cheers,
David
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Douglas Deans wrote:
[]

Yes the RSS seems to be � hourly at the moment. (I have the 15.00 as
well now). It looks like the service they give when they are doing
full scans with Meteosat 6 ie you don't see the variable position
black top ! Geographic outlines are slowly getting back to the
correct position.

Agreed.

Must be quite a job getting all those services (including satellite
control) back up after a total power failure.

Regards
Douglas.

Yes, indeed. The processing for Met-8 relies on predicting what the errors will be as a complete scan is not available for matching until /after/ the segments have been disseminated.

We were wondering what the satellites did if they got no control signal for a period. Continue as they are? Shut down for safety? A guess is that Met-8 is more complex to recover than Met-5, 6 or 7, but I must admit that once we say the LRIT data I thought that would be things soon back to normal. Not yet, at least.

I don't envy them the task at all. After the Christmas break, we often saw systems that failed to boot, particularly with older hard disks which needed a "gentle tap". That after a controlled shutdown as well. With network stuff, booting order can be important as well. I hope they had a generator for keeping the critical stuff going.

I expect there will be lessons to be learned. My thanks go out to EUMETSAT for restoring as much as they have so far.

Cheers,
David
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Fortunately then the system is not confused as my observations largely
follows the status you describe. It must have been a very thorny issue for
Eumetsat if the effect exceeds the 12 hour mark by now.



Cheers,

Ferdinand



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David J Taylor



* Same here, Ferdinand. There was a burst of LRIT for one scan, one
VIS006
segment 2 for the 1400 scan, and then nothing. The LRIT scan looked OK to
me, at least at a first glance. For RSS data, I have just a 14:00 and a
14:30 UTC.

Cheers,
David

Ferdinand Valk wrote:

It seems that the ftp is online again, but in spite of the 14:00
target, I only received (HRIT) a small section of channel one and
silence after. Is that seen elsewhere too or is my system confused?

Ferdinand at 15:10 UTC

Same here, Ferdinand. There was a burst of LRIT for one scan, one VIS006 segment 2 for the 1400 scan, and then nothing. The LRIT scan looked OK to me, at least at a first glance. For RSS data, I have just a 14:00 and a 14:30 UTC.

Cheers,
David
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It seems that the ftp is online again, but in spite of the 14:00 target, I
only received (HRIT) a small section of channel one and silence after. Is
that seen elsewhere too or is my system confused?

Ferdinand at 15:10 UTC

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David J Taylor
Sent: Monday, 18 April, 2005 13:39
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] FSD



Ferdinand Valk wrote:

Coming back slowly. FSD indeed OK, but as of 13:30z still no HRIT.

Ferdinand

The odd HRIT and LRIT prolog file, and even five segment 1 LRIT files for
the 13:15 UTC cycle, but no data. Nothing from the Rapid Scanning Service
(Meteosat-6) as yet, either.

Cheers,
David
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Peter,

Many thanks for advising why there have been no MAP or LML products since early 16th April.
I am trying to keep up with all that is going on today while in the middle of painting a ceiling --- life is fun !!!!

Regards

Ian.

Back at 14:00 according to Eumetsat

Cheers, Guy

IT Systems
Tonbridge School

Ferdinand Valk wrote:

Coming back slowly. FSD indeed OK, but as of 13:30z still no HRIT.

Ferdinand

The odd HRIT and LRIT prolog file, and even five segment 1 LRIT files for the 13:15 UTC cycle, but no data. Nothing from the Rapid Scanning Service (Meteosat-6) as yet, either.

Cheers,
David
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