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Re: Setup help please

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
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I have lost the plot here, but if you moved the card the Tellique software
will have changed the .ini files without telling you. You need to check the
IP there, reset it, then write protect the file.

Dave


Missing cycles

Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
 

02/10/03

Missing data between 0015z-0230z. No segment loss during period 0245z-0915z.

Using a Sky Minidish no loss of signal in moderate to heavy rain (4.7mm/hr) but a reduction in signal quality down to 50% from 60% and a lowering of SNr 9 to 7.5.

Peter


Re: Setup help please

paul@...
 

David,

(you did check the IP addresses, didn't you?).
Yes I did, using ipconfig from a dos window. Ipconfig returned three sets of addresses, the DVB card with correct ip address, my network card with correct address, and another one with all details 0 (ip address 0-0-0-0 etc).

I am assuming that the third one is part of the leftover config from when I had the card in a different slot. Does this sound like a reasonable assumption? Unless I can think of a more creative solution today, I am planning to format the drive and start from scratch with Win98 again tomorrow. Hopefully that'll fix it!

Ho hum,

paul


Re: Setup help please

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Dave,

Thanks for the reply.

I do think though that the issue about TV ceasing after the installation of
the Tellique software is an interesting one. If as you say the early
Tellique software appeared designed to do this one would assume that
everyone who had installed this software would have the problem having
presumably used the TV to set-up the dish. However there are people who are
using the original Tellique software that don't have the TV problem which
does suggest that OS or set-up may play a part.
With modern computers. OS and the complexities of the various set-ups people
have, trying to get to the root of any problem is probably near impossible.
All part of the fun of the hobby !!

Regards

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Martin" <Dave.Martin@manx.net>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:06 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Setup help please



Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!) - the
issues a number of early adopters saw re (lack of) TV viewing weren't OS
related.
On a PC which had the Technisat DVB installed and functioning OK for TV
(as some us did whilst waiting for Tellique), as soon as the early Tellique
TQRECV was installed, TV ceased - because the data software installation
script appeared designed to make a clean start and deliberately and
explicity deleted the DVB TV facilities so it was a pure data only receiver.


Re: Setup help please

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Martin" <Dave.Martin@m...> wrote:

Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!)
Well, it _is_ an MSG-1 thread as far as I can tell. Here's why!

Eumetsat has projects (e.g. for Africa) where end-users will not
have the support of large suppliers, and may have to do the
installation work themselves. Therefore anything we (as self-
installers) have to contribute may help Eumetsat or others develop a
package which is easier to install.

Examples: should the TV side be removed? It's great as first check
on operation but one can imagine some operators who may prefer
football to MSG-1 data! A checklist for moving a card might be
another useful aid we could contribute (you did check the IP
addresses, didn't you?).

Cheers,
David


Re: Setup help please

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Add/Remove programs often leaves references to hardware/software in the registry. The sure way is to use Regedit to search and remove any references ( some won't be removable but don't matter) to the relevant material sometimes using the vendors name as well as the device name. People start getting out the garlic and silver bullets when you mention registry editing but I've never broken one yet. You can back the registry up first if you wish.

Regards, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: paul@telco.demon.co.uk
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Setup help please


Hello Ian and Group,

I started of with the DVB card in my office PC running XP. That was where I found that the Tellique software prevents TV reception. Hence my interest in your ability to receive both.

My present headaches with Win98 are because I have extended to a two PC setup using a second PC in my workshop to receive. The receive PC has to run 98 as I have other essential software which will definately not run on XP. (I don't plan to use the other software while receiving!). Otherwise I would jump to install XP on both - I agree with Dave Martin's view of XP/W2k over 9x.

The grief I suffered yesterday was prompted by extra missing segments on my system. I was looking at Tuesday's discussion of missing segments and comparing my MDM missing segments report to those posted. Mine always has two or more missing segments. That was why I decided to move the card from slot 1 to slot 0. It REALLY didn't work in slot 0 and I am still trying to get reception working again. Apparently using 'Add/Remove programs' to remove the Technisat and Tellique software and 'Device Manager' to remove the card from the hardware config still leaves references to the card in the operating system somewhere. Convincing it that it only has one card and that it is back in slot 1 has been a hard job. Strangely, the Technisat software doesn't mind and I get a nice green satellite Icon on my taskbar. It's the Tellique software that can't connect to it and the T icon remains red.

I thought computers were supposed to make life easier?

Paul



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Re: Setup help please

paul@...
 

Hello Ian and Group,

I started of with the DVB card in my office PC running XP. That was where I found that the Tellique software prevents TV reception. Hence my interest in your ability to receive both.

My present headaches with Win98 are because I have extended to a two PC setup using a second PC in my workshop to receive. The receive PC has to run 98 as I have other essential software which will definately not run on XP. (I don't plan to use the other software while receiving!). Otherwise I would jump to install XP on both - I agree with Dave Martin's view of XP/W2k over 9x.

The grief I suffered yesterday was prompted by extra missing segments on my system. I was looking at Tuesday's discussion of missing segments and comparing my MDM missing segments report to those posted. Mine always has two or more missing segments. That was why I decided to move the card from slot 1 to slot 0. It REALLY didn't work in slot 0 and I am still trying to get reception working again. Apparently using 'Add/Remove programs' to remove the Technisat and Tellique software and 'Device Manager' to remove the card from the hardware config still leaves references to the card in the operating system somewhere. Convincing it that it only has one card and that it is back in slot 1 has been a hard job. Strangely, the Technisat software doesn't mind and I get a nice green satellite Icon on my taskbar. It's the Tellique software that can't connect to it and the T icon remains red.

I thought computers were supposed to make life easier?

Paul


Re: Setup help please

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!) - the issues a number of early adopters saw re (lack of) TV viewing weren't OS related.
On a PC which had the Technisat DVB installed and functioning OK for TV (as some us did whilst waiting for Tellique), as soon as the early Tellique TQRECV was installed, TV ceased - because the data software installation script appeared designed to make a clean start and deliberately and explicity deleted the DVB TV facilities so it was a pure data only receiver.
(and XP? - well IMHO agree most things are better than 9x and definitley better than Win ME but NT4 or W2k still far more stable and reliable than XP for many things - and I have upgraded a number of XP machines to W2k !)
Dave M

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian S Deans
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Setup help please


Hi Paul,

I am using the new DVB card and the software is 4.2.2b The Tellique software
number is the same as you have but it clearly has changes as mentioned in my
mail to Roger and Dave.

I know that there has been some discussions in the past about the use of
Windows 98/ME etc although some people are clearly using these operating
systems with some success, but it is just possible that your problem of not
receiving TV might be connected to your operating system.

.
.
.

I suspect if you update to XP you would get TV. Its a nice operating
system -- very user friendly.

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Re: Double & Triple postings

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Outlook 2003? - Not that I can find. But then it's a beta version.
Roger

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|-----Original Message-----
|From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk]
|Sent: 01 October 2003 19:28
|To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
|
|> Yes - it was me. I am running Outlook 2003 (beta) using rules to
|sort email. Somehow, two rules for the MSG-1 group got
|created instead of just one, so I guess two messages was the
|result. Isn't Microsoft wonderful?
|
|Roger,
|
|Doesn't that have the option to "Stop processing further
|message rules?"
|
|David
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Re: Setup help please

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Hi Paul,

I am using the new DVB card and the software is 4.2.2b The Tellique software
number is the same as you have but it clearly has changes as mentioned in my
mail to Roger and Dave.

I know that there has been some discussions in the past about the use of
Windows 98/ME etc although some people are clearly using these operating
systems with some success, but it is just possible that your problem of not
receiving TV might be connected to your operating system.

Having said that it is clear that some people have had a variety of
different problems setting up and others like me ( and Douglas a while
back ) have sailed through the set-up without the slightest problem. I am
only using one computer which is nearly three years old ( Athlon 1200, 768mb
ram ) and MSG is working like a dream. Ok I have to apply a bit of common
sense but I am using it for day to day things as before.

Basically I think that in general the hardware and software work fine ( you
will of course get the odd faulty card ) but when you think about the
complexity of the different computer set-ups that people must have it is
perhaps understandable why problems arise.

I suspect if you update to XP you would get TV. Its a nice operating
system -- very user friendly.

Best Wishes

Ian


Re: Setup help please

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Could you let us know what versions of software you are using?

My system definitely will not receive TV once the Tellique
software is installed. I have DVB version 4.2.2 and Tellique version
2.3.0a.

As I recall it, the original Tellique installation removed the TV
stuff.

Incidentally, in trying to reduce the unusually high number of
missing segments on my system....

Paul, always check with the group here before assuming that missing
segments are your fault. During these trials, they may not be.
From a quick check here, there were missing segments up to about
cycle 1230 (UTC), although I've ahd no confirmation from Eumetsat of
this.

Oh, and moving the card is a sure way of loosing an afternoon in
subsequent re-configuration....something else that should be in the
FAQ!

Cheers,
David


Re: Double & Triple postings

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Yes - it was me. I am running Outlook 2003 (beta) using rules to
sort email. Somehow, two rules for the MSG-1 group got created
instead of just one, so I guess two messages was the result. Isn't
Microsoft wonderful?

Roger,

Doesn't that have the option to "Stop processing further message
rules?"

David


Re: Setup help please

Paul Telco <paul@...>
 

Ian,

Could you let us know what versions of software you are using?

My system definitely will not receive TV once the Tellique software is
installed. I have DVB version 4.2.2 and Tellique version 2.3.0a.

Incidentally, in trying to reduce the unusually high number of missing
segments on my system, I moved the DVB card from PCI slot 1 to slot 0 as
described in the recent thread in this group. Big mistake. I reinstalled the
Tellicast software with no problem but the Tellique software would not even
install itself. I got 'Invalid page fault in module crtdll.dll' message and
installaion aborted. I reinstalled Windows (98 admittedly but it was working
reasonably well before) checked for duplicate and missing drivers elsewhere
but no
good. I'm just reverting to the original arrangement with the card in slot 1
and it all installs ok.

Paul


Re: Double & Triple postings

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Yes - it was me. I am running Outlook 2003 (beta) using rules to sort
email. Somehow, two rules for the MSG-1 group got created instead of just
one, so I guess two messages was the result. Isn't Microsoft wonderful?
Roger

|

|-----Original Message-----
|From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk]
|Sent: 01 October 2003 09:12
|To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
|
|--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Mawhinney" <roger@m...> wrote:
|> It it me? I always get postings to this group twice - now its
|even coming through in triplicate.
|
|Yes, just you!
|
|> How do I stop this?
|> Roger
|
|By only subscribing once? Check if the multiple posts are sent to
|multiple addresses, and tell me which addresses you would therefore
|like removed.
|
|Cheers,
|David
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Re: Setup help please

Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Dave and Roger,

As you will appreciate it is difficult for me to make exact comparisons
between the older DVB card and the original Tellique software as I have
never used them, but things I had expected to need to do to get up and
running were not required more especially with the DVB card.

If you are using the new version of the DVB card it would appear that all
the necessary settings for the data channel for MSG are now pre programmed
including the PID's although it was necessary for me to enter one ( cannot
remember if it was 301 or 501 ) but until you have the Tellique software
this cannot be properly checked as its installation will alter some
settings. Once the Tellique software is installed all I required to do was
to go into Setup4PC/Data Services click apply and the icon in the taskbar
changed to green to show signal ok internet via broadband.

The Tellique software is the same version as before, but again there are
some changes. Putting in username/password is now part of loading the
software whereas before I think you had to change an ini. file after loading
was completed. Also under the older software you had to click on a desktop
icon to start up with the icon then appearing in your taskbar. Now as soon
as your computer is switched on start up does that for you and data starts
to flow immediately.

One point worth mentioning. One or two mails have suggested that once the
Tellique software is loaded it stops access to the TV channels should you
want them. That is not the case. Clearly you cannot take in MSG data and
watch TV channels, but if you stop MSG data simply click on TV4PC and TV
will be available. This applies to old and new cards.

I hope I have been of some help, but I am still very new to all this myself.
However it seems that installation is now more automated than it was for
those that were in at the beginning.

Regards

Ian


Re: Setup help please

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Ian will get back to you (and the others) later but I do know it
is still
2.3.0a.
Thanks, I know a later version is being beta tested right now.

Still a lot of odd missing segments this morning.
I reported that to Eumetsat today, but no acknowledgement as yet.
It is conforting to know that it's not just me, though.

Thanks, Douglas. David


Re: Setup help please

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Setup help please


I have just recently got started with MSG and I am using the new
version of the Technisat card and what appears to be updated
Tellique software. Everything was literally automatic with me. I
have to rush out at the moment, but I will explain further in
another mail. Meantime I suggest you leave the data settings on the
card well alone.

Ian,

I think the problem comes when people don't wait for the proper
software and get a mixture of TV and Data reception modules.

BTW: what version does the Tellique software show on the HTML
shell? Mine says 2.3.0a.

Cheers,
David
Ian will get back to you (and the others) later but I do know it is still
2.3.0a. It is certainly much more automated than mine was but I'll leave
him to explain that.
Still a lot of odd missing segments this morning.

Regards
Douglas.


Re: Double & Triple postings

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

I had some double postings yesterday, seems ok now

Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: Timestep
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Double & Triple postings



From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@Time-step.com
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

I got this too, my own post came through twice, I looked at the Yahoo page
but they were only posted once.

Dave


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Re: Setup help please

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I have just recently got started with MSG and I am using the new
version of the Technisat card and what appears to be updated
Tellique software. Everything was literally automatic with me. I
have to rush out at the moment, but I will explain further in
another mail. Meantime I suggest you leave the data settings on the
card well alone.

Ian,

I think the problem comes when people don't wait for the proper
software and get a mixture of TV and Data reception modules.

BTW: what version does the Tellique software show on the HTML
shell? Mine says 2.3.0a.

Cheers,
David