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Re: PC requirements - comparison of single and dual systems.

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I'm not saying everyone should use a single computer, but that it is
perfectly acceptable. In the old days we could not animate much WEFAX
with
4Mb RAM, but most people only wanted to animate D2. A lot of people are
put
off the idea of two computers, even I was scared of networking 2 years
ago,
but I honestly think we should encourage newcomers and the not so
technical,
to start with one computer.
Dave,

I think you highlight a market need there for a system integrator!

Cheers,
David


Re: Double & Triple postings

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Mawhinney" <roger@m...> wrote:
It it me? I always get postings to this group twice - now its
even coming through in triplicate.

Yes, just you!

How do I stop this?
Roger
By only subscribing once? Check if the multiple posts are sent to
multiple addresses, and tell me which addresses you would therefore
like removed.

Cheers,
David


Re: Encryption

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Now that we are all happily receiving fantastic pictures and
animating long sequences I suppose the promised encryption trial
will start. Does anyone have details of when this is due to start.
Will we be able to obtain the USB dongle concurrent with this start
date ( and will it overheat !!) or will we have animations with
sections of gobbledegook in them.

Encryption tests were planned to start in September.

The service start date is 2004 Jan 1, and I would expect Eumetsat to
have eTokens available for purchase by then. You will also need
some runtime software but that is free to download from the Aladdin
Web site (and may be Eumetsat will make a copy available from their
Web site?). Without the correct eToken and username/password, you
just don't get the files, so you animations would have gaps rather
than scrambled information.

For what it's worth, two of us are currently testing the eToken
hardware and runtime software with Eumetsat. We both had slightly
false starts, one with a wrong password, and me with a software
compatibility issue (probably now fixed with a more recent release
of the eToken runtime software). There may also be an updated
version of the Tellique software (although I'm still running
V2.3.0a).

My own software should work without change or update.

Cheers,
David


Re: Double & Triple postings

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@Time-step.com
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

I got this too, my own post came through twice, I looked at the Yahoo page
but they were only posted once.

Dave


PC requirements - comparison of single and dual systems.

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@Time-step.com
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

Running HRV animation on the Pentium 2.4 (less than 300 pounds) I get an
average of just 9 disc writes a second which seems OK to me.

I'm not saying everyone should use a single computer, but that it is
perfectly acceptable. In the old days we could not animate much WEFAX with
4Mb RAM, but most people only wanted to animate D2. A lot of people are put
off the idea of two computers, even I was scared of networking 2 years ago,
but I honestly think we should encourage newcomers and the not so technical,
to start with one computer.

Dave


Double & Triple postings

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

It it me? I always get postings to this group twice - now its even coming
through in triplicate. How do I stop this?
Roger


Re: Setup help please

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

Dave
You need to add a Data Service for Eumetsat. You can either install the
Tellique DVB software which will remove the tv4PC viewer and all the
channels or you can add the Data Service manually via Setup4pc and thus
retain your TV channels.

In this latter case run the Technisat setup4pc - Satellite Settings - Data
Services
Provider Name - Add : IP Cast EUMETSAT
Transponder - Add - Transponder: 11096 MHz : H/L
Name: MSG
Proxy IP Address: 0.0.0.0
Proxy Port Number: 0
Check : Initial Locking Transponder
Unicast MAC Filter: Broadband Receiver
PIP List - Add (check Hexadecimal):
0x0064
0x012C
0x012D
0x01F4
- Uncheck: Autoset Multicast PIDs
Uncheck: Proxy Auto-Authentication

Assuming Technisat server4PC is running, right click and select the IP Cast
EUMETSAT service. You must of course have installed the Tellique tqrecv
software and edited the recv.ini file with your logon name and password.
Good luck
Roger


|

|-----Original Message-----
|From: David Sweetland [mailto:d.sweetland@btinternet.com]
|Sent: 30 September 2003 21:42
|To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
|
|Hi all.
|
|My apologies for the cross posting, however I just found this
|list where most of the MSG activity seems to be rather than
|the RIG-L list where I originally posted. I would really
|appreciate advice on the following:
|
|I received the dish and SkyStar card earlier on this year, but
|have had a number of problems getting a signal from Hotbird
Snipped ...


Encryption

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Hi All,

Now that we are all happily receiving fantastic pictures and animating long sequences I suppose the promised encryption trial will start. Does anyone have details of when this is due to start. Will we be able to obtain the USB dongle concurrent with this start date ( and will it overheat !!) or will we have animations with sections of gobbledegook in them.

Regards, Guy

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http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.


Re: Setup help please

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Sweetland" <d.sweetland@b...>
wrote:
....I can receive in excellent quality. When TV4PC is loaded
and running, Setup4PC shows a signal quality of 70%, SNR of 10.8
and a
zero BER, but as soon as I stop viewing a TV station, the signal
strength reduces to 0 and unlocked.

Is this correct?

On Setup4PC I also looked at Statistics and do not have any Active
PID's, unlike the screen shot on David Taylor's site. I do not have
the
Tellique software installed yet, do I need this before seeing any
Active
PID's in Statistics?
Yes this is correct. If you only installed the TV viewer and not the
Tellique CDROM, the wrong data service is set (Sat@once/EOL or T-DSL
all require ASTRA, not HOTBIRD).
So when you stop the viewer the tuner is set to a
frequency/transponder that might be vacant on Hotbird.

Just follow Dave Cawley's advice and read EUM TD15 carefully. Here
you will find how to set the EUMETCAST Data service manually.
But without Tellique you will only get the status screen and
Transponder info "Deutsche TeleKom AG:"
Or wait until you have Tellique installed, this wil set the data
service automatically (and remove the ability to watch TV channels).

I am about to send the forms to Eumetsat, I have the MSG Image Data
Services Registration Form and the ATVOS Retransmission Service User
Registration Form.

The MSG form refers to HRIT and LRIT Direct Reception. What are the
correct service options for the MSG-1 retransmission?
For more info on registration and filling out the forms I suggest you
browse through the RIG-L messages online. You can use search on all
messages when online.

Greetings,
Arne van belle


Re: Setup help please

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@Time-step.com
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

You really need to follow the set-up in TD 15 now. I don't think there is
anything wrong.

Dave


Setup help please

d.sweetland@btinternet.com
 

Hi all.

My apologies for the cross posting, however I just found this list where
most of the MSG activity seems to be rather than the RIG-L list where I
originally posted. I would really appreciate advice on the following:

I received the dish and SkyStar card earlier on this year, but have had
a number of problems getting a signal from Hotbird due to a large number
of trees due south of me. After a couple of days last week climbing all
over the house, moving the dish around the garden, I have finally found
one location where I can get a signal. The dish is now mounted with a
narrow view of Hotbird between the house and a large oak tree. Just hope
the neighbours do not complain as the top 2 feet is above the fence.

The dish is aligned to give the strongest signal on a satellite finder.

I installed the card and software following the instructions on David
Taylor's excellent web site. I ran Setup4PC on the status screen, the
Signal Quality indicator kept on alternating between 0% Out of Lock and
70% Locked. I then spent the next hour checking cabling etc. and out of
frustration opened TV4PC, immediately receiving the Sailing Channel.

I scanned all the transponders and now have some 90 TV and radio
stations which I can receive in excellent quality. When TV4PC is loaded
and running, Setup4PC shows a signal quality of 70%, SNR of 10.8 and a
zero BER, but as soon as I stop viewing a TV station, the signal
strength reduces to 0 and unlocked.

Is this correct?

On Setup4PC I also looked at Statistics and do not have any Active
PID's, unlike the screen shot on David Taylor's site. I do not have the
Tellique software installed yet, do I need this before seeing any Active
PID's in Statistics?

I am about to send the forms to Eumetsat, I have the MSG Image Data
Services Registration Form and the ATVOS Retransmission Service User
Registration Form.

The MSG form refers to HRIT and LRIT Direct Reception. What are the
correct service options for the MSG-1 retransmission?

Apologies for still asking basic setup questions.

Thanks,
Dave

M5LMY / G8LMY
Sandhurst Weather:
http://www.btinternet.com/~d.sweetland/met/mainframe.htm


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I agree with your list except for the following:
Cycle 1500
also missing g10wv seg 3, g9ir all and g9wv all

Things seem to have got worse since 1530: 1630, 1645, 1715,
1745 have
the odd missing segment, 1800 and 1830 have many.
Thanks, Alan. I omitted the "all" since it might have been local
midnight (at least for GOES 9). I hope Eumetsat see this note from
us all. They are probably seeing missing segments themselves and
working late to fix whatever it is!

Cheers,
David


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

David,
I agree with your list except for the following:
Cycle 1500
also missing g10wv seg 3, g9ir all and g9wv all

Things seem to have got worse since 1530: 1630, 1645, 1715, 1745 have
the odd missing segment, 1800 and 1830 have many.

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today


Are you saying you were off until 13.45 ?
Yes, in UTC. The Tools, Missing segments report should show the
missing segments correctly, even if you don't take all the channels
(as I recall). If I run it for today (the default is yesterday) I
get the results below. I've remove some FSD which had "all
missing". I wonder if we are all getting the same segments missing?

Cheers,
David

Cycle: 1345
lrit-ch05, seg: 5
lrit-ch09, seg: 5
Cycle: 1400
msg-ch12, seg: 1
Cycle: 1415
msg-ch11, seg: 5
Cycle: 1430
msg-ch12, seg: 22
Cycle: 1445
msg-ch04, seg: 4
msg-ch11, seg: 2
lrit-ch09, seg: 1
Cycle: 1500
g10-ir, seg: 2 3
Cycle: 1515
msg-ch11, seg: 3
Cycle: 1545
msg-ch07, seg: 4





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Re: 'Overheating' SkyStar 2 cards.

John Parkins <john@...>
 

Hello Alan,

The section comes from; technisat_manual_skystar2_english.pdf page 6
on the Technisat SkyStar 2 installation CD. Also in the RAEDME.TXT in
the installation folder is says:

"Problem: My signal indicator drops from 0 % up to 70 % within a few seconds.
Solution: Check the valid function of your receiving equipment. If this is OK
please check if your system is installed in ACPI mode. If yes, try to
use the dvb card in a pci slot named slot number 0 on your motherboard.
If this does not solve the problem, you have to disable ACPI. This makes
a new installation of the operating system necessary."

But if you look at the picture on page 7 of the manual you'll see the
guy installing the card in a slot other than "0". Seems they don't
even read their own manuals.

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:11:16 PM, you wrote:

AS> Hi folks,
AS> Just for the record, my Technisat manual does not contain the passage
AS> quoted by John. It says nothing at all about where to put the card other
AS> than in an empty slot (!). There is no date on my manual which is titled
AS> Installation SkyStar 2 TV PVR.

AS> Best regards - Alan

--
Best regards,
John mailto:kvp@bigfoot.com


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Yes I agree with those
Thanks, Douglas.

but am I misunderstanding about 'off' until 13.45. Do you mean
you were not taking data or are you saying there was no data until
13.45 which is definitely not the case.

There were other data gaps today. I probably phrased things badly,
but 1200, 1215, 1230, 1245, 1300 and 1315 were OK. Working
backwards (!), 1345 was when the missing segments started. 1130 had
some missing segments, 1145 and 1200 had no MSG-1 data. 0000 had no
HRIT MSG-1, and 0015 to 0315 had no LRIT MSG-1.

Cheers,
David


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today


Are you saying you were off until 13.45 ?
Yes, in UTC. The Tools, Missing segments report should show the
missing segments correctly, even if you don't take all the channels
(as I recall). If I run it for today (the default is yesterday) I
get the results below. I've remove some FSD which had "all
missing". I wonder if we are all getting the same segments missing?

Cheers,
David

Cycle: 1345
lrit-ch05, seg: 5
lrit-ch09, seg: 5
Cycle: 1400
msg-ch12, seg: 1
Cycle: 1415
msg-ch11, seg: 5
Cycle: 1430
msg-ch12, seg: 22
Cycle: 1445
msg-ch04, seg: 4
msg-ch11, seg: 2
lrit-ch09, seg: 1
Cycle: 1500
g10-ir, seg: 2 3
Cycle: 1515
msg-ch11, seg: 3
Cycle: 1545
msg-ch07, seg: 4

Yes I agree with those but am I misunderstanding about 'off' until 13.45.
Do you mean you were not taking data or are you saying there was no data
until 13.45 which is definitely not the case.

Douglas.


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

If it's any help, my report agrees with yours except for lrit, as
I have the PID disabled so I'm not receiving it.

Sam, yes that is a help. It suggests a systematic error in the data
being sent. Having mutlple reports with the same missing segments
will help Eumetsat identify such problems.

The last major missing segments problem was, I understand, because
the allocated data channel bandwidth could no longer handle all the
announcement messages with the higher number of files sets being
transmitted. All part of tuning the system during trials, I guess!

Cheers,
David


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

Sam Elsdon <sam.elsdon@...>
 

David

If it's any help, my report agrees with yours except for lrit, as I have the
PID disabled so I'm not receiving it.

Cheers
Sam


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Are you saying you were off until 13.45 ?
Yes, in UTC. The Tools, Missing segments report should show the
missing segments correctly, even if you don't take all the channels
(as I recall). If I run it for today (the default is yesterday) I
get the results below. I've remove some FSD which had "all
missing". I wonder if we are all getting the same segments missing?

Cheers,
David

Cycle: 1345
lrit-ch05, seg: 5
lrit-ch09, seg: 5
Cycle: 1400
msg-ch12, seg: 1
Cycle: 1415
msg-ch11, seg: 5
Cycle: 1430
msg-ch12, seg: 22
Cycle: 1445
msg-ch04, seg: 4
msg-ch11, seg: 2
lrit-ch09, seg: 1
Cycle: 1500
g10-ir, seg: 2 3
Cycle: 1515
msg-ch11, seg: 3
Cycle: 1545
msg-ch07, seg: 4


Re: Missing segments from 13:45 today

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Missing segments from 13:45 today


Don't know if it's just me - but has anyone else seen an increase in
missing segments since 13:45 today when the imaging resumed? I
haven't seen any DCP messages but perhaps I've not been selected.

Cheers,
David
David, I am not sure what you mean by imaging resuming at 13.45.
There was only 2 segments sent with the 11.30 scan, no 11.45 or 12.00 scan
but other than that it seems ok (for the channels I take).
I do agree though there have been more odd segment misses this afternoon
than of recent. By chance they have been with channels I don't take or
areas not on my animation... so it did look better than reality.

Are you saying you were off until 13.45 ?

Regards
Douglas.