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Some oddities from the Window-10 1903 upgrade

David J Taylor
 

I found some oddities from the Window-10 1903 upgrade, a couple of which might affect you. EUMETCast reception runs correctly on BS, HVS-1 and HVS-2, with Ayecka SR1 and a couple of TBS devices.

https://www.satsignal.eu/software/Win-10-notes.html#1903

Cheers,
David
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RSS not remapped

Ferdinand Valk
 

I have noticed that with the changeover this morning from MSG3 to MSG2 the
RSS data is not remapped to the correct longitude. This highly disrupts all
services running on RSS.
This has been notified to Ops meanwhile.

Ferdinand

Re: RSS not remapped

R. Alblas
 

Should be OK since 11:05.
MSG2_RSS was mapped to 0 instead of 9,5 east.
Rob.

On 05/27/2019 12:48 PM, Ferdinand Valk wrote:
I have noticed that with the changeover this morning from MSG3 to MSG2 the
RSS data is not remapped to the correct longitude. This highly disrupts all
services running on RSS.
This has been notified to Ops meanwhile.

Ferdinand



Formally - Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

geojohnt@...
 

Roland,

Yes, there is definitely something wrong with your system.

Gibertini dishes are widely accepted as having 'the best' RF performance.
And as others have said your SNR - and, I would also say, Power - should be much higher.

You are further into 'the centre' of Eutesat-10's max power contour than me and, with a 1 m dish, I get 13.6 dB SNR on BS with a Power reading of -24 dBm on the SR1 Controller.
I'm using a quad Inverto Black Ultra (HGLN) LNB.

Having said that I agree with Ian, BS SNR has been 'down' for some time.

You mention an Inverto RF LNB???
I'm not sure what model that is.

I agree with David's list of 'try this' to improve your reception.
But your SNR (and Power) is way down on what it should be with a 1.25 m Gibertini dish.

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 29/05/2019 14:57:55 GMT Standard Time, fly.fechter@... writes:

Despite my Gibertini 1.25m dish and Inverto RF LNB the maximum signal strength I get is abt. 10.8 DB at 41 db power.

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

geojohnt@...
 

Hello Cornish man,

I think you too have a problem.

You, like me, are inside Eutelsat-10's max central power contour - though a bit further west.
With a 1.1 m dish you should be getting far more (better) SNR than you are.

You don't say what LNB you are using.
You seem to have identified a possible dish shading problem though.

And, you mention the dish is connected to a rotator.
Is this correctly set up and aligned?
Azimuth and/or elevation could be a bit off?

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 30/05/2019 05:25:37 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:

I am getting 12.3db on 11262.500 Mhz and 11.8 on 11387 Mhz with a 110cm dish
The dis is almost 2m from the ground, but there is a house in front of the dish that might be causing reception.
I might have to move the dish higher
The dish is connected to a Stab hh120 motor

GOES16/17

Graham Woolf
 

Hi

I have just noticed that there doesn't seem to have been any GOES16/17 data since about 12:30

Is that the same for everybody - I cant see any announcement in the UNS

Regards

Graham

Re: GOES16/17

Douglas Deans
 

On 30/05/2019 18:57, Graham Woolf wrote:
Hi
I have just noticed that there doesn't seem to have been any GOES16/17 data since about 12:30
Is that the same for everybody - I cant see any announcement in the UNS
Regards
Graham
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Yes it is the same here Graham.
The following information from NOAA :-

Topic:GOES-R Data Outage on ESPDS/PDA

Date/Time Issued: May 30, 2019 1748Z

Product(s) or Data Impacted: All GOES-16 and -17 Products on PDA

Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 30, 2019 1258Z

Date/Time of Expected End:TBD

Length of Outage: TBD

Details/Specifics of Change:PDA has stopped receiving any GOES-R data due to an anomaly which occurred during maintenance. The PDA team is actively working to resolve the issue.

Contact Information for Further Information: ESPC Operations atESPCOperations@... 301-817-3880

Hopefully it will be back up and running soon.

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: GOES16/17

Graham Woolf
 

Hi Douglas

Thanks - I thought it was my system . I dont know why I always think its something Ive done!!

Can you point me to the NOAA site where you saw that announcement - I couldn't see anything on the Eumetsat website

Kind Regards

Graham

Re: GOES16/17

Douglas Deans
 

On 30/05/2019 19:41, Graham Woolf wrote:
Hi Douglas
Thanks - I thought it was my system . I dont know why I always think its something Ive done!!
Can you point me to the NOAA site where you saw that announcement - I couldn't see anything on the Eumetsat website
Kind Regards
Graham
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No problem Graham.
You will find the information here :-

https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Operations/messages.html

Hope that helps.

Best regards,
Douglas.

Re: GOES16/17

Graham Woolf
 

Hi Douglas

Thanks for the link

I notice the data is now coming through again

Kind Regards

Graham

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

Cornish Man
 

Hi 

I am using a Technomate TM-2

I think I aligned it as best as i can.

I Set the motor and dish pointing South and the elevation I adjusted when it was locked on to EUMetSat 10E

I will post a photo tomorrow where the dish is pointing

Wanted to get  120cm dish, but it was too expensive at the time

Jan



On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 10:52, geojohnt via Groups.Io <geojohnt@...> wrote:


Hello Cornish man,

I think you too have a problem.

You, like me, are inside Eutelsat-10's max central power contour - though a bit further west.
With a 1.1 m dish you should be getting far more (better) SNR than you are.

You don't say what LNB you are using.
You seem to have identified a possible dish shading problem though.

And, you mention the dish is connected to a rotator.
Is this correctly set up and aligned?
Azimuth and/or elevation could be a bit off?

Regards,
John.

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In a message dated 30/05/2019 05:25:37 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:

I am getting 12.3db on 11262.500 Mhz and 11.8 on 11387 Mhz with a 110cm dish
The dis is almost 2m from the ground, but there is a house in front of the dish that might be causing reception.
I might have to move the dish higher
The dish is connected to a Stab hh120 motor


EUMETCast Wiki - your help needed!

David J Taylor
 

Folks,

A reminder that we have what should be a most helpful resource in the EUMETCast Wiki:

http://eumetcast.pbworks.com

However, this has been sadly neglected and is now in need of an update to cover all the new developments! Can you help? Perhaps note what needs updating, and let me know? Even edit the topic yourself - it's easy! (You need to be registered as an author to do that).

If the Wiki is improved it should help beginners, and save time answering the same questions over and over again.

Thanks for your help!

David
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Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

geojohnt@...
 

Jan,

Thanks for the further information.

I suspect you may be the only user whose dish is mounted on a motorised dish system.
I've no experience of these systems but presume that when they are accurately aligned they are 'accurately aligned, including skew' for all satellite locations.
But you did say that you aligned the dish on Eutelsat 10E.
Focus and skew?

I get the feeling that our EUMETCast DVB-S2 VCM/ACM format data signal is more demanding that satellite TV reception.

Your LNB looks to be a good spec though the full specification is not yet available:

http://www.technomate.com/products/TM%252d2-Gold.html

But certainly, you should have much better SNR on TP 1.

Regards,
John.


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In a message dated 30/05/2019 23:17:10 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:

I am using a Technomate TM-2

I think I aligned it as best as i can.

I Set the motor and dish pointing South and the elevation I adjusted when it was locked on to EUMetSat 10E

I will post a photo tomorrow where the dish is pointing

Wanted to get  120cm dish, but it was too expensive at the time

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

George Sz
 

Hello,

Hope you don't mind me adding some info.

I've been using a TBS 6903 for reception, initially with a 1m Gibertini dish, using an Inverto RED Extend LNB (pretty generic). According to Eumetsat's published footprint maps, this should have been enough for HVS, at least in clear weather. Unfortunately this is not the case, since I've been getting a lot of lost packets. First I thought this was some software problem.

Then I switched everything to my 1.8m Prodelin dish which gives me enough gain now. I'm getting occasional lost packets because my PC is an "all-in-one", ie. it's running a lot of services on it. The LNB on this dish is an Inverto White Tech flange, single (since both Eumetcast TPs are on the same polarization and band, I use a single coax with a splitter right before the PCIe card).

Regards,
George

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

Ian Deans
 

On 02/06/2019 12:09, geojohnt via Groups.Io wrote:
Jan,
Thanks for the further information.
I suspect you may be the only user whose dish is mounted on a motorised dish system.
I've no experience of these systems but presume that when they are accurately aligned they are 'accurately aligned, including skew' for all satellite locations.
But you did say that you aligned the dish on Eutelsat 10E.
Focus and skew?
I get the feeling that our EUMETCast DVB-S2 VCM/ACM format data signal is more demanding that satellite TV reception.
Your LNB looks to be a good spec though the full specification is not yet available:
http://www.technomate.com/products/TM%252d2-Gold.html
But certainly, you should have much better SNR on TP 1.
Regards,
John.
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I had a motorised dish many years ago used for TV, before the days of EUMETCast. It was installed by a professional ( probably not possible now ) and it takes a lot of aligning to get accurate for all satellites in the Clark belt.
I do remember though that the alignment was done at 0 degrees and if not would not be correct for other satellites.

Regards
Ian.

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

Ernst Lobsiger
 

Hi All

Not sure I found the original post of this thread: As George is talking about a TBS-card chances are that cornishman68 uses such a card to?
If so and if you feed your dish motor via the RF cable with DiSEqC then you certainly have to fit the power cable that came with the TBS-card.

Regards,
Ernst


In a message dated 30/05/2019 05:25:37 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:
 
I am getting 12.3db on 11262.500 Mhz and 11.8 on 11387 Mhz with a 110cm dish
The dis is almost 2m from the ground, but there is a house in front of the dish that might be causing reception.
I might have to move the dish higher
The dish is connected to a Stab hh120 motor

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

Cornish Man
 

Hi
This is the view with my mobile taken on top of the LNB

And the Signal that I am getting


On Sunday, 2 June 2019, 15:03, Ernst Lobsiger <ernst.lobsiger@...> wrote:


Hi All

Not sure I found the original post of this thread: As George is talking about a TBS-card chances are that cornishman68 uses such a card to?
If so and if you feed your dish motor via the RF cable with DiSEqC then you certainly have to fit the power cable that came with the TBS-card.

Regards,
Ernst

In a message dated 30/05/2019 05:25:37 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:
 
I am getting 12.3db on 11262.500 Mhz and 11.8 on 11387 Mhz with a 110cm dish
The dis is almost 2m from the ground, but there is a house in front of the dish that might be causing reception.
I might have to move the dish higher
The dish is connected to a Stab hh120 motor


Help with decoding

Andy Clarke
 

Hi,

I have a TBS-6903 dual port card in a fairly hi spec PC (i7 8086K@5Ghz, 32Gb ram, 2TB SSDs and a 8tb NAS). I have a 1M dish (on a motor) and am getting 98% signal and 78% quality from Eutalsat 10A and have configured TBS-IP to save the IP stream to C:\EUMETCast\received\hvs-1\default (which is actually a symboilc link to my NAS). I have installed MSG Data Manager and I have recieved only about 50Gb of data which had been downloading for about 12 hours however when I select "check" against the Tellicast recieved files location in setup, for either the default location of C:\EUMETCast\received\hvs-1\default or C:\EUMETCast\received it says WARNING no MSG files found. If  I start the scan with the start button and leave for  a few hour again I get no progress.... Am I just not waiting long enough for enough data in the received folder?

An example of the file name of the  2000 files in the folder is:  OR_ABI-L1b-RadF-M6C01_G16_s20191530810453_e20191530820161_c20191530820207-118900_0.nc

Thanks

Andy

 

Re: [SatSignal] LNB for improved reception

Cornish Man
 

HI

I have a TBS 6903 card

I and can use it to grivr the dish motor.

Haven't beed able to turn to other satellites yet




On Sunday, 2 June 2019, 15:35, Cornish Man via Groups.Io <cornishman68@...> wrote:


Hi
This is the view with my mobile taken on top of the LNB

And the Signal that I am getting


On Sunday, 2 June 2019, 15:03, Ernst Lobsiger <ernst.lobsiger@...> wrote:


Hi All

Not sure I found the original post of this thread: As George is talking about a TBS-card chances are that cornishman68 uses such a card to?
If so and if you feed your dish motor via the RF cable with DiSEqC then you certainly have to fit the power cable that came with the TBS-card.

Regards,
Ernst

In a message dated 30/05/2019 05:25:37 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:
 
I am getting 12.3db on 11262.500 Mhz and 11.8 on 11387 Mhz with a 110cm dish
The dis is almost 2m from the ground, but there is a house in front of the dish that might be causing reception.
I might have to move the dish higher
The dish is connected to a Stab hh120 motor




Re: Help with decoding

David J Taylor
 

Hi,

I have a TBS-6903 dual port card in a fairly hi spec PC (i7 8086K@5Ghz, 32Gb ram, 2TB SSDs and a 8tb NAS). I have a 1M dish (on a motor) and am getting 98% signal and 78% quality from Eutalsat 10A and have configured TBS-IP to save the IP stream to C:\EUMETCast\received\hvs-1\default (which is actually a symboilc link to my NAS). I have installed MSG Data Manager and I have recieved only about 50Gb of data which had been downloading for about 12 hours however when I select "check" against the Tellicast recieved files location in setup, for either the default location of C:\EUMETCast\received\hvs-1\default or C:\EUMETCast\received it says WARNING no MSG files found. If I start the scan with the start button and leave for a few hour again I get no progress.... Am I just not waiting long enough for enough data in the received folder?

An example of the file name of the 2000 files in the folder is: OR_ABI-L1b-RadF-M6C01_G16_s20191530810453_e20191530820161_c20191530820207-118900_0.nc

Thanks

Andy
==============================

Andy,

The MSG Data Manager doesn't handle the new format GOES-16 data. The "Check" function is for MSG-4 Basic Service data.

Instead you can use my (free) GOES ABI Manager. Set up two instances (with different executable names) and both GOES-16 and GOES-17 data can be managed:

https://www.satsignal.eu/software/GOES-ABI-Manager.html

The two instances can be in the same directory:

GoesAbiManager-G16.exe
GoesAbiManager-G17.exe
hdf5.dll
hdf5_hl.dll
msvcr120.dll
netcdf.dll
zlib1.dll

Cheers,
David
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