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YELLOW-T and NODATA on SR1 control panel

bmario1@...
 

Hi to all, sorry in advance for poor english.
I've re-poweron my msg system afther some month and now I've a Yellow -t on tellicast client.
I've change nothing in my setup, the antenna disk is centered (good signal but no data stream using sr1 controllor) and SR1 seem to be ok.
Firewall on sr1 lan is disabled (w7/64)
Some month ago all work's fine....and no nothing work.
Have I lost some change from eumetcast distribution?

Mario


Re: Msg animator

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Thank you for your kind reply.
Still no updates made - kindly tell me the EXACT Location of the correct
Image data path
and
the correct Output Animation path
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
===============================

Roland,

Image data path:

The directory tree where you images are stored. So if your images are here:
D:\MSG\Images\HRIT\2017\07\19
the path would be:
D:\MSG\Images\

Output Animation path:

D:\MSG\Images\Animations\

Cheers,
David
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Re: GOES-E data - changes later this year

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Hello Alan,
[]
I am using my TBS 6903 so cannot measure link margin.

Regards,
Douglas.
==================================

Douglas,

Yes, you can. For the HVS, link margin = Es/No - 9.3 dB. You can get this from the excellent BDADataEx software. Just notes:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/dvb-s2/sr1-mrtg.html#bda-snr

=================================================
#---------------------------------------------------------------
# BDADataEx receiver link-margin => SNR -9.3 dB
#---------------------------------------------------------------

Target[lund-bdadataex-lm]: `signalex.exe snr 1` - 93
MaxBytes[lund-bdadataex-lm]: 100
YTics[lund-bdadataex-lm]: 5
YTicsFactor[lund-bdadataex-lm]: 0.1
Factor[lund-bdadataex-lm]: 0.1
Unscaled[lund-bdadataex-lm]: ymwd
Options[lund-bdadataex-lm]: gauge, nopercent, growright, unknaszero, noi, nolegend
ShortLegend[lund-bdadataex-lm]: dB
YLegend[lund-bdadataex-lm]: Link margin: dB
LegendO[lund-bdadataex-lm]: High volume service 1:
Legend1[lund-bdadataex-lm]: Calculated HVS link margin
PNGTitle[lund-bdadataex-lm]: Calculated!
Title[lund-bdadataex-lm]: 10E 11263H HVS-1 calculated link margin
PageTop[lund-bdadataex-lm]: <H1>10E 11263H - Calculated Link Margin (Edinburgh)</H1>

=================================================

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Re: Msg animator

Thorsten Miglus
 

Hello,
I currently run on Windows 7 prof. 64bit the MSG Data Manager v. 3161246 together with the
Msg animator v. 3.1.4.
Despite repeated de- & re-installation of both the animator does not carry out any updates.
Could you please tell me what to do ?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
===================================


Roland,


the reason may be a corrupted image file. I observed this after a power cut. That leaves some incomplete image files on my HDD.


When reading a corrupted image file MSG Animator stops updating any animation.


The solution is to find the corrupted file and remove it. Then restart MSG Animator.


Cheers,
Thorsten


Re: Msg animator

Roland Fechter
 

Thank you for your kind reply.
Still no updates made - kindly tell me the EXACT Location of the correct
Image data path
and
the correct Output Animation path
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland


Holiday

Robert Baleja
 

Dear David
My station will be offline until 01.08.2017.
Robert
Callsign SP7RB
QTH JO91QS67RM
www.rbalejameteo.pl
Wysล‚ane z iPhone'a


Re: GOES-E data - changes later this year

Douglas Deans
 

------ Original Message ------
From: "Alan Sewards alan@asewards.net [MSG-1]" <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 20/07/2017 10:56:12
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] GOES-E data - changes later this year

Hi folks,

I'm disappointed that EUMETCAST are not putting the new GOES-E data
on the Basic Service. I realise that all the data cannot be put on the
BS but I would have though that a cut-down version of the GOES-E imagery
could be continued.

I have to say that I do not understand EUMETSAT's policy with the
BS and two HVS services at all. It is basic satellite communications
doctrine to make the satellite have a sufficient EIRP that it can be
received by a large proportion of the potential users with relatively
inexpensive antennas - in that way the large number of users do not get
stuck with a large bill, and the number of potential receivers is
increased, at the cost of making the satellite end more expensive. I'm
sure that many potential users of the data now being confined to an HVS
service will be excluded because of the low EIRP of the HVS channels. As
an example - I upgraded my system to a 125cm dish a few months ago and
was getting a BS SNR of 12 dB. With the recent changes, this is now a
little below 10 dB - OK for BS (but with lower rain margin) but quite
inadequate for HVS, so I have renounced any idea of receiving HVS
services and will depend on the BS - hence my concerns about losing
GOES-E.

Best regards - Alan S

=================================================================

Hello Alan,
Not sure of your exact location but your signal levels seem particularly
low.
I am in Perthshire, Scotland which is quite peripheral to the satellite
and with a 1.0 metre dish (in good weather) I have an SNR on Transponder
1 of between 12 and 12.5.
HVS 2 is lower (about 0.7 db SNR) but still quite useable. I find with
T2 using CCM (and not VCM) it seems more tolerant of lower SNR readings.
Just an observation.
I admit setting up a 125 cm dish will not be easy.

I am using my TBS 6903 so cannot measure link margin.

Regards,
Douglas.


Re: GOES-E data - changes later this year

Alan Sewards
 

Hi folks,

I'm disappointed that EUMETCAST are not putting the new GOES-E data
on the Basic Service. I realise that all the data cannot be put on the
BS but I would have though that a cut-down version of the GOES-E imagery
could be continued.

I have to say that I do not understand EUMETSAT's policy with the
BS and two HVS services at all. It is basic satellite communications
doctrine to make the satellite have a sufficient EIRP that it can be
received by a large proportion of the potential users with relatively
inexpensive antennas - in that way the large number of users do not get
stuck with a large bill, and the number of potential receivers is
increased, at the cost of making the satellite end more expensive. I'm
sure that many potential users of the data now being confined to an HVS
service will be excluded because of the low EIRP of the HVS channels. As
an example - I upgraded my system to a 125cm dish a few months ago and
was getting a BS SNR of 12 dB. With the recent changes, this is now a
little below 10 dB - OK for BS (but with lower rain margin) but quite
inadequate for HVS, so I have renounced any idea of receiving HVS
services and will depend on the BS - hence my concerns about losing GOES-E.

Best regards - Alan S


On 17-Jul-17 10:22 AM, 'David J Taylor' gm8arv@yahoo.co.uk [MSG-1] wrote:

Folks,

Some advance notice about changes to GOES-E data later this year.

In the November timeframe the new GOES-16 satellite will provide the
GOES-E
data, and the present GOES-E data from EUMETSAT on the Basic Service
will be
discontinued at some point thereafter. The new GOES-E data will be on the
new HVS-2 service on the second transponder. See:

1
https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/Data/DataDelivery/EUMETCast/ReceptionStationSetup/index.html
2
https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/TechnicalBulletins/EUMETCast/DAT_3340783.html

The latter document gives the outline, but currently has out-dated
frequency
and MODCOD details, which are however correct in the first document under
the EUMETCast Europe heading.

So if the GOES-E data is important to you, prepare to update your
system to
handle the HVS-2 service on the second transponder. See the details in
the
second document. There are quite a few folk on the group here already
receiving test data on the HVS-2 service who can help by providing
practical
details.

Cheers,
David
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--
Alan Sewards
--
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web site: http://asewards.free.fr


Re: Msg animator

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Hello,
I currently run on Windows 7 prof. 64bit the MSG Data Manager v. 3161246 together with the
Msg animator v. 3.1.4.
Despite repeated de- & re-installation of both the animator does not carry out any updates.
Could you please tell me what to do ?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
===================================

Roland,

If the two programs are installed on the same PC the updates should be automatic.

If the automatic updates don't work, simply use the Setup of each animation to select a suitable update rate. It's in the Setup, Animation, Updates drop-down list. Normally select "(none)", but in your case try "5 min" or whatever.

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
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Re: A second receiver

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Very grateful to you and Ernst for your comments, much appreciated.
Has there been a write up as to how to implement the single cable setup?

If it's on your pages David, please ignore the request as I shall do a search presently.

Cheers,
James
============================

James:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/dvb-s2/T1-T2.html#single-cable

Also note that the older TBS5925 is more versatile than the newer TBS5927 as the 5925 has a DC-isolated "Loop out" connector which you can use the pass the signal onto another device such as the Ayecka SR1. The TBS will control the LNB frequency band and polarisation.

Cheers,
David
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Figure 8 (Was: Variations in the Eumetcast signal)

Ernst Lobsiger
 

John,


I had a closer look at the diurnal changes of signal quality
with respect to the figure 8 movement of Eutelsat 10A. As a
first approximation we can expect variations in elevation of
+/- i (inclination) which is +/- 0.062 ยฐ in my latest keps.


I installed good old command line tool predict on one ob my
GNU/Linux boxes and found a figure 8 of +/- 0.07ยฐ in azimuth
and +/- 0.08ยฐ in elevation as seen from here in Switzerland.


Our dishes used have half power beamwidths of 1.0 to 1.5ยฐ.
So it's very unlikely that diurnal variations can be caused
by the figure 8 movement. And as usual I forgot that this
discussion is not new. Alan Sewards pointed that out in
message 20659 with more discussions following on that list.

Cheers,
Ernst


---In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, <geojohnt@...> wrote :

In a message dated 16/07/2017 19:35:25 GMT Summer Time,
MSG-1@yahoogroups.com mailto:MSG-1@yahoogroups.com writes:

If the orbital plane of a geostationary sat is not 100% identical with
the equator plane of the earth we see the sat moving in a small figure 8 once
per day. You should point your antenna to the center intersection of this 8. If your
elevation is too high or too low (and you have a big dish) you will see diurnal
variations of signal strength and SNR.

Hello Ernst,

Genau - aber .......

I have tried two official agencies to obtain the inclination data for
EUTELSAT-10A to find out the equator crossing point, but failed.

I have checked, with updated keps on WXtrack EUTELSAT-10A's movements.
The satellite is over the equator between 04:29 to 04:57 UTC.
And between 16:30 to 16:58.

Now, I cannot guarantee those times are correct, they are purely from
'watching the inclination on WXtrack.

Regards,
John.


Msg animator

Roland Fechter
 

Hello,
I currently run on Windows 7 prof. 64bit the MSG Data Manager v. 3161246 together with the
Msg animator v. 3.1.4.
Despite repeated de- & re-installation of both the animator does not carry out any updates.
Could you please tell me what to do ?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland


Re: A second receiver

James Brown
 

On 19 Jul 2017, at 16:48, 'David J Taylor' gm8arv@yahoo.co.uk [MSG-1] <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello folks,

Just thinking ahead, if I decide to go the T2 route I would need a
second receiver and am debating USB vs PCI express. Big advantage for me
currently with just USB.

Would something like the TBS5925 or it's new companion the 5927 with
it's USB2 interface cover foreseeable data rates I wonder on T2?

I know David was waiting for proper data on T2 to test was it the
TBS6903? to see if T1 BAS +HVS +T2HVS was possible. Not sure David if
with the GOES16 test data you have been able to try that?

Many thanks to all who have in preceding messages given pointers to
current working systems.

Cheers
James
===============================

James,

Let's put it this way: the data rates on HVS-1 and HVS-2 are the same, so if
it works with HVS-1 it should also work with HVS-2. In theory, one USB 2.0
high-speed should be able to handle twice the data rate of one TBS5925/27,
but I don't know anyone who has tested that. There could be motherboard
issues with two fast USB streams competing for the same access, particularly
if the lower buffer count for HVS-2 is required. The PCIe route would
provide you with two extra receivers, leaving you present box as an
emergency spare. I think it may also be a lower-cost option than the single
receiver TBS5927.

During the test period we were seeing some 250 GB/day on HVS-2. I'm running
HVS-1 and HVS-2 on a two-tuner, single cable TBS6903, but I've not tested BS
on that arrangement as that's known to work. Arne now has a dual tuner
TBS6983 (older card) with HVS-1 & BS on one tuner, and HVS-2 on the other.
His MRTG data is here:

http://home.hccnet.nl/a.van.belle/MRTG/index.html

Doubtless more reports as tests proceed.

Cheers,
David
--
Very grateful to you and Ernst for your comments, much appreciated.
Has there been a write up as to how to implement the single cable setup?

If it's on your pages David, please ignore the request as I shall do a search presently.

Cheers,
James


Re: A second receiver

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Hello folks,

Just thinking ahead, if I decide to go the T2 route I would need a
second receiver and am debating USB vs PCI express. Big advantage for me
currently with just USB.

Would something like the TBS5925 or it's new companion the 5927 with
it's USB2 interface cover foreseeable data rates I wonder on T2?

I know David was waiting for proper data on T2 to test was it the
TBS6903? to see if T1 BAS +HVS +T2HVS was possible. Not sure David if
with the GOES16 test data you have been able to try that?

Many thanks to all who have in preceding messages given pointers to
current working systems.

Cheers
James
===============================

James,

Let's put it this way: the data rates on HVS-1 and HVS-2 are the same, so if it works with HVS-1 it should also work with HVS-2. In theory, one USB 2.0 high-speed should be able to handle twice the data rate of one TBS5925/27, but I don't know anyone who has tested that. There could be motherboard issues with two fast USB streams competing for the same access, particularly if the lower buffer count for HVS-2 is required. The PCIe route would provide you with two extra receivers, leaving you present box as an emergency spare. I think it may also be a lower-cost option than the single receiver TBS5927.

During the test period we were seeing some 250 GB/day on HVS-2. I'm running HVS-1 and HVS-2 on a two-tuner, single cable TBS6903, but I've not tested BS on that arrangement as that's known to work. Arne now has a dual tuner TBS6983 (older card) with HVS-1 & BS on one tuner, and HVS-2 on the other. His MRTG data is here:

http://home.hccnet.nl/a.van.belle/MRTG/index.html

Doubtless more reports as tests proceed.

Cheers,
David
--
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


Re: A second receiver

Ernst Lobsiger
 

James,


Currently available USB boxes ask for 1 box per transponder. The older TBS-5925 lets you setup a one cable solution with a single LNB as demonstrated by Christian Peters under GNU/Linux (no loop out on TBS-5927!):


http://gimli.hcpeters.de:81/pics/Setup-TC-big.png http://gimli.hcpeters.de:81/pics/Setup-TC-big.png


I have several TBS-6908 and TBS-6903 that all take BAS + HVS-1 + HVS-2 under GNU/Linux. Whether this is possible with both transponders T1+T2 sending at highest data rates is still under debate. David has a working system T1+T2 with a TBS-6903 under Windows and Arne has demonstrated reception of T1+T1 (two times BAS + HVS-1) with an older TBS-6983 using a RAM disk and my MVMSG script some time back. Many users have complained about the TBS driver quality though. There is a beta with reduced DMA buffers under test.




Cheers,
Ernst



---In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, <satellite@...> wrote :

Hello folks,

Just thinking ahead, if I decide to go the T2 route I would need a
second receiver and am debating USB vs PCI express. Big advantage for me
currently with just USB.

Would something like the TBS5925 or it's new companion the 5927 with
it's USB2 interface cover foreseeable data rates I wonder on T2?

I know David was waiting for proper data on T2 to test was it the
TBS6903? to see if T1 BAS +HVS +T2HVS was possible. Not sure David if
with the GOES16 test data you have been able to try that?

Many thanks to all who have in preceding messages given pointers to
current working systems.

Cheers
James


A second receiver

James Brown
 

Hello folks,

Just thinking ahead, if I decide to go the T2 route I would need a second receiver and am debating USB vs PCI express. Big advantage for me currently with just USB.

Would something like the TBS5925 or it's new companion the 5927 with it's USB2 interface cover foreseeable data rates I wonder on T2?

I know David was waiting for proper data on T2 to test was it the TBS6903? to see if T1 BAS +HVS +T2HVS was possible. Not sure David if with the GOES16 test data you have been able to try that?

Many thanks to all who have in preceding messages given pointers to current working systems.

Cheers
James


Re: Msg animator Fire monitoring

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Hello,
Let me thank you all first for answering my previous queries.
I am now engaged in fire tracking. The excellent Msg animator includes a fire monitoring channel.
I set as observation area Western Europe - yet, no trace of fires yet to see !
Does this require any additional settings somewhere in the MSG Manager menu ?
Kindly advise.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
==========================

I hope you saw the EUMeTrain Weather Briefing today, the fires were shown in a couple of Meteosat-10 wavebands and some Terra fire hotspots. There may be a replay available in due course.

http://www.eumetrain.org/briefings.html

Cheers,
David
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Re: Msg animator Fire monitoring

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Hello,
Let me thank you all first for answering my previous queries.
I am now engaged in fire tracking. The excellent Msg animator includes a fire monitoring channel.
I set as observation area Western Europe - yet, no trace of fires yet to see !
Does this require any additional settings somewhere in the MSG Manager menu ?
Kindly advise.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland
========================

Roland,

The MSG Animator uses the MPEF FIRG (GRIB) data for fires.

I'm seeing fires in Eastern Europe, be sure to set coverage to include Crete to the east.

Palette none, video processing none.

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


Msg animator Fire monitoring

Roland Fechter
 

Hello,
Let me thank you all first for answering my previous queries.
I am now engaged in fire tracking. The excellent Msg animator includes a fire monitoring channel.
I set as observation area Western Europe - yet, no trace of fires yet to see !
Does this require any additional settings somewhere in the MSG Manager menu ?
Kindly advise.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Roland


Re: valid background for MSG Fire Tracker

David J Taylor GM8ARV ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ
 

Hello,
just a short question:
where can I get a "valid Background" for my Fire Tracker ?
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Roland
=================================

Roland,

You can make one yourself. It's a 3712 x 3712 PNG image to the same projection as Meteosat-10, black=include this region, white=ignore this region. No-burn areas might include lakes and seas, for example.

Cheers,
David
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