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Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015
cycle? It seems that some people did and some did not, so I would be interested in knowing what the patter was. If you are running the current MSG Data Manager (i.e. V1.2.0 or higher), could you please take a moment to activate the Tools, Missing segments report... menu. From the Choose a day, select September 20. In the Missing segments list, do you have any missing segments listed for scan/cycle 2015? Please don't report any other missing segments. I am interested in both positive and negative reports, i.e. please report whether you got any missing segments for that cycle or not. Let's not clutter the list - send reports to davidtaylor@writeme.com - and I will summarise the results. (If you don't have a Missing segments report menu item, time to upgrade now!). Many thanks, David
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Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
While John is busy collating the inputs from those who have participated in
the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest to question some of the basic assumptions. The main one of these is that one needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one for the decoding. Because I only had one, I had to make do with it for all functions, and in doing so I expected I would lose some of the data. However, as time has gone on, I have begun to realise that any data that might have been lost due to possible overload of the single computer is insignificant compared with data lost from other sources associated with the dissemination trials. In fact, I did a test overnight where I stopped the MSG DM and then restarted it at 0500UTC, so it had about 12 hours of captured data to process, which is does in what I call 'catch-up' mode, that is running flat out with the CPU utilization running around 80-100% on a continuing basis. It took about two hours to process all the stored data and, as far as I could tell by a visual inspection of the thumbnails, there were no missing segments in either the period of stored data or in data captured during the catch-up processing. This leads me to suspect that a single computer is all that is needed for MSG reception, provided of course that it has sufficient power. I should note here that I only collect seven of the 12 HRIT channels, all the LRIT and FSD, so I do not have a full load. I may try an experiment of collecting the full set and see if that makes any difference. My computer is nothing special, 1800 Athlon, with 512 MB. Because I have had great difficulty in getting two computers running Windows XP to network properly, I am seriously considering departing from the two-computer concept and sticking with a single one for MSG, and I feel pretty confident that it will work. Anyone else had similar thoughts? Should we do some serious tests to find out if two computers are really necessary? Best regards - Alan Alan Sewards email: alan.sewards@computer.org web site: http://asewards.free.fr
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Re: MSG-1 user equipment survey.
johnrigsec@...
All,
Just to say many thanks to all those who have already responded, specs are flooding in and I'm beginning to wonder what I've let myself in for. No, seriously, we started off with the EUMETSAT recommended system specification which looked a bit daunting for many. But amateurs have shown that very good results can be achieved with lower spec. systems. I hope your feedback will be a useful pointer as to just what can be achieved with lesser spec. systems. However, we are not into full 'operational status' yet. At the moment I'm just filing responses till I have a block of time to read and collate them. I hope you will forgive me at the moment in not responding directly to all who have responded. Regards, John Tellick.
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Re: delete first image in animation
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Many thanks David, that fixed it.
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Cheers, Guy
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From: David Taylor To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: delete first image in animation > I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's only half a frame. Guy, delete the bad JPEG and the cached bitmap in \images\temp and update the animation. David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: delete first image in animation
I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's onlyhalf a frame. Guy, delete the bad JPEG and the cached bitmap in \images\temp and update the animation. David
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delete first image in animation
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Hi All,
I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's only half a frame. I vaguely remember discussion on this but can't find it in my saved e-mails. I thought I would set the time limits to do this but they don't go far enough, also you can't over-type when blue, you must use the drop down box. Any ideas ? Cheers, Guy ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: Peculiar speckles on animator
James Brown <james@...>
In message <004b01c37fae$69127440$0192fea9@Main>, Sam Elsdon <sam.elsdon@ntlworld.com> writes
JamesMany thanks Sam - understood. Won't try updating drivers! Cheers, James -- James Brown
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Re: Peculiar speckles on animator
Sam Elsdon <sam.elsdon@...>
James
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They are a remnant of country borders which vanish when using inverse boundaries. As David explained to me, the coastal outlines and the country outlines are treated separately and the process of exclusive ORing causes the country outlines to disappear. But clearly, a few pixels remain. The coastal boudaries are unaffected. Don't worry, it is not your graphics card. Regards Sam
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From: "James Brown" <james@meteosat.freeserve.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Peculiar speckles on animator Just noticed today that on the North Atlantic IR animation with borders
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Peculiar speckles on animator
James Brown <james@...>
Just noticed today that on the North Atlantic IR animation with borders set to inverse, a few strange speckles come up in central Europe specially. Just wondering what might be the cause. It doesn't happen with any other settings.
Anyone else care to check and see what they are getting before I investigate graphic drivers and the like!! Cheers, James -- James Brown
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apologies
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Sorry, sent survey to the wrong place
Guy ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: MSG users equipment survey.
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Hello John,
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Attached is a brief spec for my receive system and comments. Regards, Guy
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From: johnrigsec@aol.com To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com ; rig-l@yahoogroups.com. ; WXSAT-L@huey.met.fsu.edu Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: [MSG-1] MSG users equipment survey. All, We are just over halfway in the planned trial period for MSG dissemination via EUMETCast over Hot Bird 6. The C-Band trial period of EUMETCast is about to begin, though I suspect this might be shorter owing to the experiences gained during the Ku-Band trials. At the same time of course MSG-1 itself is undergoing commissioning as is the MSG Ground Segment for this new all digital satellite. Owing to the problem with one of MSG-1's SSPA's and the doubt over the viability of the remaining SSPA's EUMETSAT have had to adopt a brand new (for weather satellites - and a pointer to the future(?)) mode of dissemination - DVB. Quite a few of you are taking part in the EUMETCast trials and I know EUMETSAT are very grateful for the technical feedback you are providing. A good example - if I may say so - where amateurs can be of assistance to the professionals. Coming up are a couple of new services added to the data stream which I believe we will not have access to and of course encryption will gradually be tested from around the end of September. Reading rig-l and MSG-1 newsgroups and talking to several users at last weekends de Kunstmaan meeting in Holland [which was brilliant] it appears users are 'using' computers of 'all shapes and sizes.' I believe it would therefore be interesting and useful to get some feedback as to what you are using to receive Ku-Band EUMETCast. Such as: Dish size. [LNB's are all pretty much the same these days so not important.] Card/USB Box - make and version. Computer - CPU, Intel/Athlon - speed. RAM. HD capacity. Graphics card - on board memory. Two computer set up and its make-up? And, very briefly, a list of any problems encountered. Oh, and are you a RIG member? If you would be good enough to spare a bit of time to forward this information to me please send it direct to me - johnrigsec@aol.com and not post it to and clog up the newsgroups, I would be very grateful. I will generate a document listing, I suspect, the diverse specs. of equipment in use. Regards, John Tellick. RIG secretary. ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Martin" <agm@t...> wrote:
I didn't think that 'End Users' or whatever group we are in (there was lots of discussion) had access to MDD, only proffessional users ? You are right - but some people did get the files, and therefore might like to view the contents. Cheers, David
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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program
Guy Martin <agm@...>
I didn't think that 'End Users' or whatever group we are in ( there was lots of discussion) had access to MDD, only proffessional users ?
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Cheers, Guy
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From: David Taylor To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program > David, What are GTS files? As I already said, ones with MDD messages! World met data in text and graphical format for national Met Office consumption. Sorry, but I can't quickly find a good Internet reference for you. Check in your Tellique log files for the string GTS to see if you are getting the data. Cheers, David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program
David, What are GTS files?As I already said, ones with MDD messages! World met data in text and graphical format for national Met Office consumption. Sorry, but I can't quickly find a good Internet reference for you. Check in your Tellique log files for the string GTS to see if you are getting the data. Cheers, David
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Re: MDD Reader - new experimental program
Mohsin Meghji
David, What are GTS files?
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From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 19 September 2003 10:06 To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MSG-1] MDD Reader - new experimental program For those of you who are getting the GTS files from MSG-1, there is a new experimental program to read either a single GTS file or an entire folder full and extract the multiple MDD messages contained therein. You can download the program from the Download section of the MSG Data Manager page: http://www.satsignal.net => Satellite Tools, MSG Data Manager If you are not receiving GTS files there is no point in looking at this software. If you _are_ getting GTS files, I do have an update to the MSG Data Manager which will move these files from the Receiver PC to the Processing PC. Cheers, David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050836 01:HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3050 9&media=atkins> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>; .
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Re: PCI card overheating question
Thomas Findlay <tom@...>
Hello Paul, David ...
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I noticed your exchange and would like to add something that could be relevant and would also apply to the previous exchanges on system unreliability. In the past, I have suffered from introducing excess static charges within PCs through the use of non-grounded (not specifically designed for PC type) fans. When it happened first time I was pretty puzzled as the fault turned out to be a zapped DIMM in what had been for a very long time previous to that, a rock-steady system. I'm just cautioning on the potential over-use of unconventional cooling methods, which in combination with other bad habits that we sometimes adopt like leaving the covers off, can work against us in unexpected ways. Regards ... Tom. ****************************************************************** Thomas Findlay - GM4DOZ 37 Adamton Road North, Prestwick, Scotland, KA9 2HY Tel: +44 1292 671807 Fax: +44 1292 677840 ******************************************************************
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From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 19 September 2003 11:04 To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MSG-1] Re: PCI card overheating question At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it allstarted working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3 days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about the same time. overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure. Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by Eumetsat earlier? because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice this pattern of events? Paul, As it is to do with receiving MSG-1 data, it's not off-topic. I had a lot of missing segments from about 0600 UTC on Sep 14 (Sun) to about 1200 on Sep 16 (Tue) which I can't really explain by signal strength or computer issues, which only leaves the dissemination. No computer crashes, though. I, too, have the original software. I am just left with a nagging doubt, as few other people seem to have had exactly the same high-loss period as myself. Cheers, David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083601:HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?c ode=30529&media=atkins> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1754016/rand=237567459> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>; .
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Re: PCI card overheating question
At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it allstarted working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3 days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about the same time. overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure. Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by Eumetsat earlier? because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice this pattern of events? Paul, As it is to do with receiving MSG-1 data, it's not off-topic. I had a lot of missing segments from about 0600 UTC on Sep 14 (Sun) to about 1200 on Sep 16 (Tue) which I can't really explain by signal strength or computer issues, which only leaves the dissemination. No computer crashes, though. I, too, have the original software. I am just left with a nagging doubt, as few other people seem to have had exactly the same high-loss period as myself. Cheers, David
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PCI card overheating question
Paul Telco <paul@...>
Hello all,
Last week my MSG receiver PC died. I assumed that it was due to the Technisat PCI card overheating and switched off. On Sunday morning I fitted an extra five fans to the PC, two directly alongside the PCI card and three to draw cold air through the front of the case. The PC was still crashing so I reinstalled Win 98 (I don't want to run XP on this machine and It had worked faultlessly before last week). Still Crashes. At about 14:00 I restarted the computer and software and it all started working. On reading the MSG-1 newsgroup I found lots of other people were having the same problem (32 related messages in 3 days) and It seems to me that we all got our systems back at about the same time. So the question I have is this: were the problems all related to overheating? It had been hot before without such a lot of failure. Or were the problems to do with the server upgrades announced by Eumetsat earlier? My system is now working with almost complete reliability. Maybe because it has much improved ventilation. Is anyone still having overheating problems which started last week? Did anyone else notice this pattern of events? I have not installed any updates to software . Apologies if this is too far fetched or off topic, Paul
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MDD Reader - new experimental program
For those of you who are getting the GTS files from MSG-1, there is
a new experimental program to read either a single GTS file or an entire folder full and extract the multiple MDD messages contained therein. You can download the program from the Download section of the MSG Data Manager page: http://www.satsignal.net => Satellite Tools, MSG Data Manager If you are not receiving GTS files there is no point in looking at this software. If you _are_ getting GTS files, I do have an update to the MSG Data Manager which will move these files from the Receiver PC to the Processing PC. Cheers, David
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Re: MSG data outage
Data flow restored around 06:00 UTC.
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