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Re: MSGDatamanager -> Processing older data than today
Ulrich G. Kliegis <Ulrich.Kliegis@...>
On 7 Sep 2003 at 8:33, Maik Dobbermann wrote:
As i view the "logs"-tab in your program is see the followingLooking at your message's posting date and comparing that to my calendar, I see a discrepancy. Maybe my calendar is wrong, but maybe your system date is even more out of range, and maybe that could be a reason for your prob? Regards, U.
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Timestep <Information@...>
From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England e-mail Information@Time-step.com Web site http://www.Time-step.com Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366 Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498 I expect that if you want absolutely everything, and to take anything in the future, two computers "may" be needed. But for us mere mortals, that only need a few areas, and for me UK Visible; it has been proven over and over again you only need one computer. Regards Dave
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Guy Martin <agm@...>
I agree Alan,
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It depends what use you wish to make of the service, just grab a download to see what the weather is up to every few hours or constantly monitor, animate and archive the lot. Regards, Guy
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From: Alan Sewards To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 Guy, You have made my point - we don't *know* how much a second machine is really needed. We have lots of armwaving but few facts. As it makes a big difference when looked at in terms of thousands of users buying and maintaining equipment, it might be a good thing if we got it right ahead of time? (IMHO) Best regards - Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Martin" <agm@tonbridge-school.org> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote: Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015Folks, Many thanks for all the reports. It seems that we all saw the same misisng data (as reported by the MSG Data Manager), which may mean the data was missing or that there was file name the program did not understand. Actually checking through my Tellique logs, I see that I did not actually receive files for that period. I will pass this information to Eumetsat. No more reports required, thanks (unless you want to plough through the Tellique logs to confirm that you did or did not get the file.). Cheers, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
Guy,
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You have made my point - we don't *know* how much a second machine is really needed. We have lots of armwaving but few facts. As it makes a big difference when looked at in terms of thousands of users buying and maintaining equipment, it might be a good thing if we got it right ahead of time? (IMHO) Best regards - Alan
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From: "Guy Martin" <agm@tonbridge-school.org> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 I don't believe the Rx machine needs to be anything special, I use an AbitKT7 with a Duron 800 and its just cruising along consuming minimal resources. However when data arrives it does need to deal with it instantly and not be held up by MDM decompressing or saving, it needs a 'non maskable interrupt' in effect and MDM provides a tick box to do just this. I use a Gigabyte GA7VKML with an Athlon 1200 in the display machine and the processor goes to 100% when MDM is dealing with data and uses about 322/512 Mb of RAM. I really need a faster machine for this application although having said that it does work ok with no dropped segments. A serious spec machine may function well as a single unit and a lower grade machine could receive data and decompress/display alternately. It is always important to turn off services that you don't need and which consume resources as vanilla installs come with everything turned on. Regarding XP, I'm a Win2K man and not yet happy with XP when u! sed outside of MS products.in the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest toone needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one forthe decoding. Because I only had one, I had to make do with it for allthe dissemination trials. In fact, I did a test overnight where I stoppedthe MSG DM and then restarted it at 0500UTC, so it had about 12 hours ofthat is running flat out with the CPU utilization running around 80-100% on athere were no missing segments in either the period of stored data or in datacourse that it has sufficient power. I should note here that I only collectseven of the 12 HRIT channels, all the LRIT and FSD, so I do not have a fullload. I may try an experiment of collecting the full set and see if that makesany difference. My computer is nothing special, 1800 Athlon, with 512 MB.from the two-computer concept and sticking with a single one for MSG, and Ifeel pretty confident that it will work. Anyone else had similar thoughts?Should we do some serious tests to find out if two computers are reallynecessary?
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20? My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment reportsuggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17- One week back seems about right. It is certainly a very handy utility. No I am no longer processing LRIT although it is coming in as the PID also does the FSD data. My processing computer does a lot of other things during the day....internet.... MSG Animator....a lot of GSS 4 work and other bits and pieces so I only process what I need now. My 1024Mb of DDR ram still runs out sometimes ! Thanks Douglas.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment reportsuggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17- 24 were missing for the HRV channel for the 20.15 scan. Thanks, Douglas. I understand you don't take the LRIT? By the way, the missing segments report keeps one week of backlog data. Cheers, David
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
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From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20? --- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...> My 20th images are long gone but the missing segment report suggests that segments 7 and 8 were missing for channels 1-11 and 17-24 were missing for the HRV channel for the 20.15 scan. Hope that helps Regards Douglas.
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Re: Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote: Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015One more thing, could you give your location (general area is enough) when writing, please? To repeat, negative reports are equally important! Thanks, David
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Re: Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Guy Martin <agm@...>
I don't believe the Rx machine needs to be anything special, I use an Abit KT7 with a Duron 800 and its just cruising along consuming minimal resources. However when data arrives it does need to deal with it instantly and not be held up by MDM decompressing or saving, it needs a 'non maskable interrupt' in effect and MDM provides a tick box to do just this. I use a Gigabyte GA7VKML with an Athlon 1200 in the display machine and the processor goes to 100% when MDM is dealing with data and uses about 322/512 Mb of RAM. I really need a faster machine for this application although having said that it does work ok with no dropped segments. A serious spec machine may function well as a single unit and a lower grade machine could receive data and decompress/display alternately. It is always important to turn off services that you don't need and which consume resources as vanilla installs come with everything turned on. Regarding XP, I'm a Win2K man and not yet happy with XP when used outside of MS products.
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Cheers, Guy
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From: Alan Sewards To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: [MSG-1] Equipment for receiving MSG-1 While John is busy collating the inputs from those who have participated in the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest to question some of the basic assumptions. The main one of these is that one needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one for the decoding. Because I only had one, I had to make do with it for all functions, and in doing so I expected I would lose some of the data. However, as time has gone on, I have begun to realise that any data that might have been lost due to possible overload of the single computer is insignificant compared with data lost from other sources associated with the dissemination trials. In fact, I did a test overnight where I stopped the MSG DM and then restarted it at 0500UTC, so it had about 12 hours of captured data to process, which is does in what I call 'catch-up' mode, that is running flat out with the CPU utilization running around 80-100% on a continuing basis. It took about two hours to process all the stored data and, as far as I could tell by a visual inspection of the thumbnails, there were no missing segments in either the period of stored data or in data captured during the catch-up processing. This leads me to suspect that a single computer is all that is needed for MSG reception, provided of course that it has sufficient power. I should note here that I only collect seven of the 12 HRIT channels, all the LRIT and FSD, so I do not have a full load. I may try an experiment of collecting the full set and see if that makes any difference. My computer is nothing special, 1800 Athlon, with 512 MB. Because I have had great difficulty in getting two computers running Windows XP to network properly, I am seriously considering departing from the two-computer concept and sticking with a single one for MSG, and I feel pretty confident that it will work. Anyone else had similar thoughts? Should we do some serious tests to find out if two computers are really necessary? Best regards - Alan Alan Sewards email: alan.sewards@computer.org web site: http://asewards.free.fr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Did you get missing segments on 2003 September 20?
Did you get any missing segments on 2003 September 20 for the 2015
cycle? It seems that some people did and some did not, so I would be interested in knowing what the patter was. If you are running the current MSG Data Manager (i.e. V1.2.0 or higher), could you please take a moment to activate the Tools, Missing segments report... menu. From the Choose a day, select September 20. In the Missing segments list, do you have any missing segments listed for scan/cycle 2015? Please don't report any other missing segments. I am interested in both positive and negative reports, i.e. please report whether you got any missing segments for that cycle or not. Let's not clutter the list - send reports to davidtaylor@writeme.com - and I will summarise the results. (If you don't have a Missing segments report menu item, time to upgrade now!). Many thanks, David
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Equipment for receiving MSG-1
Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
While John is busy collating the inputs from those who have participated in
the MSG-1 dissemination trials, I thought it might be of interest to question some of the basic assumptions. The main one of these is that one needs to have two computers, one for the reception function and one for the decoding. Because I only had one, I had to make do with it for all functions, and in doing so I expected I would lose some of the data. However, as time has gone on, I have begun to realise that any data that might have been lost due to possible overload of the single computer is insignificant compared with data lost from other sources associated with the dissemination trials. In fact, I did a test overnight where I stopped the MSG DM and then restarted it at 0500UTC, so it had about 12 hours of captured data to process, which is does in what I call 'catch-up' mode, that is running flat out with the CPU utilization running around 80-100% on a continuing basis. It took about two hours to process all the stored data and, as far as I could tell by a visual inspection of the thumbnails, there were no missing segments in either the period of stored data or in data captured during the catch-up processing. This leads me to suspect that a single computer is all that is needed for MSG reception, provided of course that it has sufficient power. I should note here that I only collect seven of the 12 HRIT channels, all the LRIT and FSD, so I do not have a full load. I may try an experiment of collecting the full set and see if that makes any difference. My computer is nothing special, 1800 Athlon, with 512 MB. Because I have had great difficulty in getting two computers running Windows XP to network properly, I am seriously considering departing from the two-computer concept and sticking with a single one for MSG, and I feel pretty confident that it will work. Anyone else had similar thoughts? Should we do some serious tests to find out if two computers are really necessary? Best regards - Alan Alan Sewards email: alan.sewards@computer.org web site: http://asewards.free.fr
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Re: MSG-1 user equipment survey.
johnrigsec@...
All,
Just to say many thanks to all those who have already responded, specs are flooding in and I'm beginning to wonder what I've let myself in for. No, seriously, we started off with the EUMETSAT recommended system specification which looked a bit daunting for many. But amateurs have shown that very good results can be achieved with lower spec. systems. I hope your feedback will be a useful pointer as to just what can be achieved with lesser spec. systems. However, we are not into full 'operational status' yet. At the moment I'm just filing responses till I have a block of time to read and collate them. I hope you will forgive me at the moment in not responding directly to all who have responded. Regards, John Tellick.
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Re: delete first image in animation
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Many thanks David, that fixed it.
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Cheers, Guy
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From: David Taylor To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: [MSG-1] Re: delete first image in animation > I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's only half a frame. Guy, delete the bad JPEG and the cached bitmap in \images\temp and update the animation. David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MSG-1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: delete first image in animation
I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's onlyhalf a frame. Guy, delete the bad JPEG and the cached bitmap in \images\temp and update the animation. David
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delete first image in animation
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Hi All,
I want to delete the first picture in an animate series, it's only half a frame. I vaguely remember discussion on this but can't find it in my saved e-mails. I thought I would set the time limits to do this but they don't go far enough, also you can't over-type when blue, you must use the drop down box. Any ideas ? Cheers, Guy ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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Re: Peculiar speckles on animator
James Brown <james@...>
In message <004b01c37fae$69127440$0192fea9@Main>, Sam Elsdon <sam.elsdon@ntlworld.com> writes
JamesMany thanks Sam - understood. Won't try updating drivers! Cheers, James -- James Brown
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Re: Peculiar speckles on animator
Sam Elsdon <sam.elsdon@...>
James
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They are a remnant of country borders which vanish when using inverse boundaries. As David explained to me, the coastal outlines and the country outlines are treated separately and the process of exclusive ORing causes the country outlines to disappear. But clearly, a few pixels remain. The coastal boudaries are unaffected. Don't worry, it is not your graphics card. Regards Sam
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From: "James Brown" <james@meteosat.freeserve.co.uk> To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [MSG-1] Peculiar speckles on animator Just noticed today that on the North Atlantic IR animation with borders
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Peculiar speckles on animator
James Brown <james@...>
Just noticed today that on the North Atlantic IR animation with borders set to inverse, a few strange speckles come up in central Europe specially. Just wondering what might be the cause. It doesn't happen with any other settings.
Anyone else care to check and see what they are getting before I investigate graphic drivers and the like!! Cheers, James -- James Brown
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apologies
Guy Martin <agm@...>
Sorry, sent survey to the wrong place
Guy ---------- http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.
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