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Re: Skystar S2 windows 7

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Dear all,

I'm new on this group.
I am trying to receive MSG1 and MSG2 data with the Eumetcast system.

The system work normally (the satellite signal is ok, the tellicast icon is white and pink), and I receive data normally till a certain time (sometimes short (2 minutes), sometimes longer (2 hours, one day,etc.)).

After this point, the number of missed packets before FEC increase (2000, 5000, etc.) as the FEC recovered packets (20, 100, etc.) but the number of FEC recovered packets is far below the number of missed packets. And then at one point the system stop working. There is no more data channels available. The satellite signal is still ok and so is the tellicast icon, but no more data is acquired. I have to shut down and restart the computer to have new data.

I mailed the OPS and they told me my DVB card is not the one recommended as it is Skystar S2 and not Skystar 2 TV PCI.

Has anyone had the same problem as I have ? I should specify that I'm on windows 7.

I should specifie that I am near an airport, that sometimes people may pass in front of the satellite dish, and that a crane is far enough, but in the axe of the satellite dish for some time, and that all of it might disrupt the signal.

Best regards

Caroline
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Caroline,

You will find some recommendations on my Web site, but the first two suggestions are:

1 - make sure you have split down the received data into different channels with different directories, by removing the wildcard [*] entry, for example:

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 2]
target_directory=received\Data Channel 2

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 3]
target_directory=received\Data Channel 3

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 5]
target_directory=received\RSS

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 6]
target_directory=received\RSS


Only have entries for the data you need to receive - start small and build upwards. Keep a separate entry for the MSG-1 Rapid-Scan (RSS) data.


2 - put the EUMETCast temporary files on a RAMdisk, as described here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

This requires installing RAMdisk software, and editing the recv.ini file, and restarting TelliCast.


I can't comment on the card being correct or not - so I hope someone else can help.

Cheers,
David
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SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Skystar S2 windows 7

deforeitcaroline
 

Dear all,

I'm new on this group.
I am trying to receive MSG1 and MSG2 data with the Eumetcast system.

The system work normally (the satellite signal is ok, the tellicast icon is white and pink), and I receive data normally till a certain time (sometimes short (2 minutes), sometimes longer (2 hours, one day,etc.)).

After this point, the number of missed packets before FEC increase (2000, 5000, etc.) as the FEC recovered packets (20, 100, etc.) but the number of FEC recovered packets is far below the number of missed packets. And then at one point the system stop working. There is no more data channels available. The satellite signal is still ok and so is the tellicast icon, but no more data is acquired. I have to shut down and restart the computer to have new data.

I mailed the OPS and they told me my DVB card is not the one recommended as it is Skystar S2 and not Skystar 2 TV PCI.

Has anyone had the same problem as I have ? I should specify that I'm on windows 7.

I should specifie that I am near an airport, that sometimes people may pass in front of the satellite dish, and that a crane is far enough, but in the axe of the satellite dish for some time, and that all of it might disrupt the signal.

Best regards

Caroline


Re: New Station

James Brown
 

If I may just add a couple of extra words of encouragement -

It really is quite an amazing opportunity that many of us who are 'remote sensing amateurs' are offered courtesy of Eumetsat. The plethora of data on offer is the envy of countries even like the US. It is perhaps that very comprehensiveness that can appear at first daunting. New data streams seem to come online every couple of months, and so many of them are freely available once you have a licence from Eumetsat.

David gave me the advice some while ago which I have never regretted following - in terms of a processing computer - get the best you can afford at the time - in terms of greatest CPU and RAM capability. It was good advice - thankfully I build computers from scratch so sourcing the best prices, but for quality items was not a problem. I am glad I followed that advice, because it allows me to take the majority of data streams without losing packets because of a hiatus in the CPU or disk cycles. His new advice to you here is sound.

Once you have an appropriate sized dish - the fun and games is with the dish pointing - personally I couldn't manage without a satellite meter. But if the dish installation is from new, then do a visual check with a compass before buying or installing - if the line of sight is clear then great, but if you have trees or other obstructions, then you might need a re-think.

That's the mechanics over - the rest is largely software issues. Apart from some free progs, remember David's programmes come with a 30 day trial period which is plenty long enough to check on reception. I am also glad of his constant updates to cope with file re-names, new data, etc. Bear in mind he has some deals for multiple purchases - I personally think his toolsets are very good value for money - but it depends on your pocket and preferences.

It is perfectly possible to start 'lite' with just MSG-2 a couple of PID's in the satellite set-up and then slowly work your way up - but perhaps you have an area of special interest or research - SST's, precipitation, volcanic aerosols, to name but a few. It's all there, but a lot of reading and a steep learning curve if you want to max out on the data!!

My experience goes back to the 1980's when I was receiving polar orbiter satellites using a home-built fax machine, but I can assure you that there are plenty here who have plunged in much more recently - lots of hand-holders here if you need us.

Have a great time,

James


In message <9713F1CC6D2045E4A9EDE8070312E2F7@Alta>, David J Taylor <gm8arv@...> writes

I'm about to start up a new station any help with what hardware and setup to
have. I would be most greatful.
Require more info on PC config.Hard drive, Ram drive, memory, OS
Thanks for your time
Pete
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Pete,

You may find these pages helpful:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/atovs/index.html

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/index.htm

If you can use XP, that might be the simplest choice. 3 GB of memory.

With Windows-7, I would go for the 64-bit version with 4-8 GB of memory.
Use a 90+ GB SSD for the system disk, and a 2 TB HD for the EUMETCast data.
A RAM disk of 300-500 MB for EUMETCast temporary files substantially reduces
the data losses.

My ideal solution might be a 2-PC configuration, with the receiver PC
running XP/32/1GB or Win-7/32/2GB, with the processing PC being Win-7/64/8GB
as above.

Do ask if you have any questions.

Cheers,
David
--
James Brown


Re: New Station

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I'm about to start up a new station any help with what hardware and setup to have. I would be most greatful.
Require more info on PC config.Hard drive, Ram drive, memory, OS
Thanks for your time
Pete
===============================

Pete,

You may find these pages helpful:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/atovs/index.html

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/index.htm

If you can use XP, that might be the simplest choice. 3 GB of memory.

With Windows-7, I would go for the 64-bit version with 4-8 GB of memory. Use a 90+ GB SSD for the system disk, and a 2 TB HD for the EUMETCast data. A RAM disk of 300-500 MB for EUMETCast temporary files substantially reduces the data losses.

My ideal solution might be a 2-PC configuration, with the receiver PC running XP/32/1GB or Win-7/32/2GB, with the processing PC being Win-7/64/8GB as above.

Do ask if you have any questions.

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Re: New Station

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Peter,

you'll find everything you need in the first, second, and nth step, on Davids
pages: http://www.satsignal.net/

Very structured, very informative.

Cheers,
U.



An: MSG-1@...
Von: "peterg7lja2003" <petergibson7@...>
Datum: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:41:44 -0000
Betreff: [MSG-1] New Station
Antwort an: MSG-1@...

I'm about to start up a new station any help with what hardware and
setup to have. I would be most greatful.
Require more info on PC config.Hard drive, Ram drive, memory, OS
Thanks for your time
Pete



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New Station

peterg7lja2003
 

I'm about to start up a new station any help with what hardware and setup to have. I would be most greatful.
Require more info on PC config.Hard drive, Ram drive, memory, OS
Thanks for your time
Pete


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

David,
apart from the rusty, but absolutely trusty freeware mail program Pegasus
Mail that I've been using for more than 15 years now - and never lost a
single mail - Thunderbird looks good too. I never used one of those windows
things like blindlook etc.... No idea about import options, though.

Windows - from the people who brought you Edlin! Count on their
experience! (yes, edlin was wonderful!)

An: <MSG-1@...>
Von: "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...>
Datum: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:30:01 +0100
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)
Antwort an: MSG-1@...

I've
already moved from WLM to Thunderbird for Usenet message for
similar
reasons


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrich G. Kliegis
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:46 AM
[]
P.S.: David, would it be possible for you to re-activate the "quotation marker"
in your mail client? In a pure text-based mail reader, differentiating between
your and others' texts was easier some time ago. If I may say so...
=====================================


Sorry, Ulrich, but that facility was removed when Microsoft updated Windows Live Mail (WLM) from 2009 to 2011. Very annoying. I try to use a separator to mark where the original message ends, and my reply begins. You should always find my reply at the end of messages, since I don't use the backwards and confusing top-posting reply.

Perhaps if I could find a mail client with would import my existing messages and their directory structure I would consider moving. I've already moved from WLM to Thunderbird for Usenet message for similar reasons

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

An: <MSG-1@...>
Von: "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...>
Datum: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:38:18 +0100
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)
Antwort an: MSG-1@...

But there have also been some
weather-related outages at the uplink station a week or two back.
So it
may be worth checking what others a are reporting if it's just the
occasional packet which is missing. There are some graphs here:


http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_eumetcast-europe-packets.ph
p
David, Daniel,

clicking on the single graphs in that page reveals some more data - and
looking at the last entry, the yearly statistics, and comparing them shows a
common increase of missed packets since the beginning of this soaked
summer. Surprising, but then, there were days when not much air was left in
the water.

http://www.kn-online.de/Lokales/Fotostrecken-Lokales/Unwetter-in-
Kiel/%28from%29/1302654/%28mode%29/full/%28offset%29/1

Let's say, it's all about the weather...

Windows are supposed to protect you against the non-amicabilities of the
weather, windows 7 seems to be odd-designed in that view. I stick to XP for
the time being. Despite some lost segments - which I even was not really
aware of.

Cheers,
U.


P.S.: David, would it be possible for you to re-activate the "quotation marker"
in your mail client? In a pure text-based mail reader, differentiating between
your and others' texts was easier some time ago. If I may say so...


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

daniarnedo
 

Thanks David, Ian and Alan for sharing your experience.

I'll try some more changes to the OS, my looses are very important, up to 25% some RC with just Channel2 and no processing at all. However, I will finally install WinXP and see which problems of drivers arise...

Best Regards.

--- In MSG-1@..., "Daniel" <daniarnedo@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to set up my new EUMETCast reception PC under Windows 7 and I am having a lot of missing segments. Statistics of Tellicast 2.4.4a show lot of "missed packets before FEC". With the same antenna I am using a second and very old PC with Win XP working without any looses. Both, have 0 value for BER at Setup4pc GUI.

I have tested with other Skystar2 Card but I get the same result. I have disabled all windows services recomended by Eumetsat. Search indexing seemd to be the trick, but there is something more.

I have tuned the system to best performance, and just receiving Channel 2. Ramdisk for tem file...

I see some of you have the eumetcast pc working under WIN7, did you find something that really makes the difference to have the system working without looses. I'm thinking about going back to WinXP for this new pc also.....

Any comment highly appreciated.

Dan.


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

Ian Deans
 

I can only concur with Alan that I too used a Windows 7 64-bit computer with a Dexatek Box ( same as DVBWorld Box ) for both receiving and processing with literally zero losses outwith those at the Eumesat end and severe weather.

The biggest challenge was getting the Dexatek / DVBWorld box to work with Windows 7 64-bit as there is no driver support for these boxes since 2010 and the latest 6 drivers ( 2009/2010) will not work. However I am now running Windows 8 64-bit and unfortunately the Dexatek Box will not work with that operating system ( not surprisingly ) so I am testing my 8 year old SkyStar card and a new Technisat HD USB box. I will report the results in due course and I would expect that Technisat will have Windows 8 drivers available near to the Windows 8 launch due in a few months.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Banks
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:01 AM
To: MSG-1@...
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

Just another thought.
Have you turned off system restore and reduced your pagefile size? I
gather that this can be rather large even if one has a lot of RAM. Mine
is 12Gb (close to minimum recommended on my system) on system disc only.
I use another disc for Tellicast and data. This seems contrary to 32 bit
systems where more seems to be better.
I have a Win 7 64 bit system and DVB World USB box with nearly lossless
reception of MET 9, Met 7, FSB, Metop AVHRR and Modis. I also process
using two instances of MSG DM, Animator and Modis L1 on the same PC.
Even weekly intense defragging causes no losses.
Lossless Win7 Rx is possible - honest! The occasional heavy downpour or
pidgeon on the LNB arm notwithstanding.
Alan


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

Alan Banks <alan@...>
 

Just another thought.
Have you turned off system restore and reduced your pagefile size? I gather that this can be rather large even if one has a lot of RAM. Mine is 12Gb (close to minimum recommended on my system) on system disc only. I use another disc for Tellicast and data. This seems contrary to 32 bit systems where more seems to be better.
I have a Win 7 64 bit system and DVB World USB box with nearly lossless reception of MET 9, Met 7, FSB, Metop AVHRR and Modis. I also process using two instances of MSG DM, Animator and Modis L1 on the same PC. Even weekly intense defragging causes no losses.
Lossless Win7 Rx is possible - honest! The occasional heavy downpour or pidgeon on the LNB arm notwithstanding.
Alan

On 11/07/2012 16:05, Daniel wrote:
Hi,

I am trying to set up my new EUMETCast reception PC under Windows 7 and I am having a lot of missing segments.


Re: Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Hi,

I am trying to set up my new EUMETCast reception PC under Windows 7 and I am having a lot of missing segments. Statistics of Tellicast 2.4.4a show lot of "missed packets before FEC". With the same antenna I am using a second and very old PC with Win XP working without any looses. Both, have 0 value for BER at Setup4pc GUI.

I have tested with other Skystar2 Card but I get the same result. I have disabled all windows services recomended by Eumetsat. Search indexing seemd to be the trick, but there is something more.

I have tuned the system to best performance, and just receiving Channel 2. Ramdisk for tem file...

I see some of you have the eumetcast pc working under WIN7, did you find something that really makes the difference to have the system working without looses. I'm thinking about going back to WinXP for this new pc also.....

Any comment highly appreciated.

Dan.
=============================================


Dan,

The single-core Windows XP receive-only PC (with an old 1.9 GHz Pentium 4) is essentially lossless. It has a SkyStar 2.6D PCI card, and a 100 Mb/s network interface. For 24 x 7 operation, having a two-PC system means that you can take your processing PC down for those all-important Windows Updates without losing any data.

I have three Windows-7 systems which are both receiving and processing, and perhaps I have been unlucky but none are completely lossless even after trying to trim as many services etc. as I could:

- PC Alta which is a recent quad-core PC is almost completely lossless, even though it has a 1 Gb/s network interface. It's using the DVB World USB-connected receiver. Some network-intense operations (1 GB downloads and large transfers between PCs) can produce missed packets which are not recovered. However, this PC is becoming my main interactive PC, so I would expect more losses to come.

- PC Stamsund has a hyper-threaded processor and SkyStar 2.6D PCI card, receiving and processing Meteosat-8 and Meteosat-9 data. I needed to turn down the network speed from 1 Gb/s to 100 Mb/s to achieve near-lossless operation, and even now if I burn a DVD or do some other disk-intensive operations I can lose data.

- PC Hydra is a very old Compaq with a single-core AMD processor, trying to receive the full EUMETCast stream (including all the Metop data) with the exception of Rapid-Scan. It's overloaded, and no longer typical of what might be in use today.

So if you can run XP without loss, I would ask, "Why change?".

Do also note that recently there have been a few missed packets seen across Europe - I'm talking about 2 missed and two recovered yesterday, for example, not very large numbers. But there have also been some weather-related outages at the uplink station a week or two back. So it may be worth checking what others a are reporting if it's just the occasional packet which is missing. There are some graphs here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_eumetcast-europe-packets.php

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Lot of missing segments (Windows 7)

daniarnedo
 

Hi,

I am trying to set up my new EUMETCast reception PC under Windows 7 and I am having a lot of missing segments. Statistics of Tellicast 2.4.4a show lot of "missed packets before FEC". With the same antenna I am using a second and very old PC with Win XP working without any looses. Both, have 0 value for BER at Setup4pc GUI.

I have tested with other Skystar2 Card but I get the same result. I have disabled all windows services recomended by Eumetsat. Search indexing seemd to be the trick, but there is something more.

I have tuned the system to best performance, and just receiving Channel 2. Ramdisk for tem file...

I see some of you have the eumetcast pc working under WIN7, did you find something that really makes the difference to have the system working without looses. I'm thinking about going back to WinXP for this new pc also.....

Any comment highly appreciated.

Dan.


New LNB (just checking)

ldjhandm <lawrence@...>
 

It seems that my LNB may have failed; I have located a new one via Ebay and it says it has a 40mm fitting. My actual LNB width is just less than this. Is this likely to be of consequence? The rest of the spec seems fine. My current LNB is several years old.

Lawrence Harris


Re: Telicast lost in taskbar

Neil <neilthackrey@...>
 

Thanks to all for the feedback... the baby seems to have settled down with a workaround. The t-recv.exe still won't behave on boot up and give the magic 'T' symbol in the task bar. Once booted I run Metop manager then run t-recv.exe from the start/programs and it works. I will investigate further sometime. Life is to short not having Metop Manager & MSG Manager running. :-)

atb Neil

--- In MSG-1@..., "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...> wrote:

That's the problem David... tc-recv.exe runs at first on boot up then
something stops it. When I monitor the processes window and click on the
tc-rcv.exe either in explorer or the programs drop down menu I can see the
listing change whislt the program is trying to start then stopping
immediately. I can't connect to the server IP of course in IE. Something
seems to be disabling the software for some reason which is rather
frustrating.

atb Neil
=======================================================


So you might like to take a look in the recv.log file in the same directory
as tc-recv.exe. That may tell you what the error is. Likely there's a
mistake from editing the configuration files - perhaps a disk letter change,
no RAM disk, whatever?

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Re: Telicast lost in taskbar

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

That's the problem David... tc-recv.exe runs at first on boot up then something stops it. When I monitor the processes window and click on the tc-rcv.exe either in explorer or the programs drop down menu I can see the listing change whislt the program is trying to start then stopping immediately. I can't connect to the server IP of course in IE. Something seems to be disabling the software for some reason which is rather frustrating.

atb Neil
=======================================================


So you might like to take a look in the recv.log file in the same directory as tc-recv.exe. That may tell you what the error is. Likely there's a mistake from editing the configuration files - perhaps a disk letter change, no RAM disk, whatever?

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Re: Telicast lost in taskbar

Neil <neilthackrey@...>
 

That's the problem David... tc-recv.exe runs at first on boot up then something stops it. When I monitor the processes window and click on the tc-rcv.exe either in explorer or the programs drop down menu I can see the listing change whislt the program is trying to start then stopping immediately. I can't connect to the server IP of course in IE. Something seems to be disabling the software for some reason which is rather frustrating.

atb Neil

--- In MSG-1@..., "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...> wrote:

When windows XP boots up I see the Telicast 'T' sign in white in the taskbar
momentarily then it disappears. I then try and load the software by START,
Programs, T.Systems, Business-TVIP which doesn't work either. Even trying
clicking on the tc-recv.exe in explorer has the same result.
I have uninstalled the program and completed a fresh install with my
username and password then edited my recv.ini file for the ram drive then
replaced the recv.channels.ini with my backup with the same result. I have
done a ctrl,alt, del and cannot see the program under Processes either.
I have turned the firewall off also.
The CD software is Eumetcast Client software Version 5.2 with TLS000492 hand
written in indelible ink on the face of the disk.
Any thoughts appreciated

Many thanks Neil ea7vpg/gm0vpg
===============================================================


This sometimes happens, Neil. Icons which should be in the taskbar don't
show. If Task Manager shows a process, well actually two processes, named
tc-recv.exe then TelliCast is running. You can check the status using it's
own built-in Web server:

http://127.0.0.1:2517/

73,
David GM8ARV
--
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...


Re: Telicast lost in taskbar

Alan Banks <alan@...>
 

I meant to reply to Neil's query, not David's answer!
Ooops
Alan

On 10/07/2012 08:18, Neil wrote:


Re: Telicast lost in taskbar

Alan Banks <alan@...>
 

On 10/07/2012 09:04, David J Taylor wrote:
When windows XP boots up I see the Telicast 'T' sign in white in the taskbar
momentarily then it disappears. I then try and load the software by START,
Programs, T.Systems, Business-TVIP which doesn't work either. Even trying
clicking on the tc-recv.exe in explorer has the same result.
I have uninstalled the program and completed a fresh install with my
username and password then edited my recv.ini file for the ram drive then
replaced the recv.channels.ini with my backup with the same result. I have
done a ctrl,alt, del and cannot see the program under Processes either.
I have turned the firewall off also.
The CD software is Eumetcast Client software Version 5.2 with TLS000492 hand
written in indelible ink on the face of the disk.
Any thoughts appreciated

Many thanks Neil ea7vpg/gm0vpg
===============================================================


This sometimes happens, Neil. Icons which should be in the taskbar don't
show. If Task Manager shows a process, well actually two processes, named
tc-recv.exe then TelliCast is running. You can check the status using it's
own built-in Web server:

http://127.0.0.1:2517/

73,
David GM8ARV
Hi David,
I seem to remember that this a bug in XP where PnP (Plug and Play) messes with the taskbar.
Try
To uninstall the UPnP user interface
Open Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel.
Click Add/Remove Windows Components.
In the Components list, select the Networking Services check box, and then click Details.
Make sure the UPnP User Interface check box is deselected.
Alan