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Re: MSG Data Licence

Robert Moore
 

'Welsh' have arrived too.
Robert


Quoting Douglas Deans <douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk>:

My licence for MSG Data arrived safely this morning so hopefully the other
'Scottish' ones should be arriving soon.

Douglas.



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Re: Becoming a Licensed User

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Timestep" <Information@T...> wrote:
[]
Good news indeed, and even better is that Eumetsat have offered
Timestep 20 licences in January.


Eumetsat have offered ALL manufacturers 20 licences, however I will
not be dealing in the Tellique software and eToken hardware.

Why will I not be offering this service?

Because I don't believe I can support my customers as well as I
would wish to (or even as required to under UK law) having seen all
the various issues raised on this group and elsewhere.

Cheers,
David
--
Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.net
Email: davidtaylor@writeme.com


MSG Data Licence

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

My licence for MSG Data arrived safely this morning so hopefully the other
'Scottish' ones should be arriving soon.

Douglas.


Re: Becoming a Licensed User

Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Becoming a Licensed User


--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Sally Wannop" <wannop@e...> wrote:
Dear All

I would like to confirm a few points concerning the licensing
process which has been a recent topic of discussion within the group:


Many thanks for the clarifications, Sally. I would guess that many
UK users will want to take advantage of the credit card facility
that you will be offering, so many thanks for that as well.

The excellent support form Eumetsat for the large number of trial
users has been very much appreciated.

Merry Christmas,
David

Could not agree more. Help and support from Eumetsat has been outstanding.

Season's greetings.

Douglas.


Re: Becoming a Licensed User

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@Time-step.com
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

Good news indeed, and even better is that Eumetsat have offered Timestep 20
licences in January. This could mean a UK phone call and next day delivery
?

Regards

Dave


Re: Becoming a Licensed User

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Sally Wannop" <wannop@e...> wrote:
Dear All

I would like to confirm a few points concerning the licensing
process which has been a recent topic of discussion within the group:


Many thanks for the clarifications, Sally. I would guess that many
UK users will want to take advantage of the credit card facility
that you will be offering, so many thanks for that as well.

The excellent support form Eumetsat for the large number of trial
users has been very much appreciated.

Merry Christmas,
David


Becoming a Licensed User

Sally Wannop <wannop@...>
 

Dear All

I would like to confirm a few points concerning the licensing process which has been a recent topic of discussion within the group:

1. As Trial users you are now beginning to receive your licences from your National Meteorological Service (NMS), for most of you this is the UK Met Office. Each NMS will provide clear instructions on what you should do but, the essence of it is, sign the licence and return one copy to them. As you know, we plan to introduce a credit card payment scheme in early 2004 and by mid-January we should have a few more details available on this. If you wish to wait for the credit card scheme before you pay for your EKU, please indicate this to us when we contact you.

2. The text of the licence makes reference to encryption hardware and software (EUMETCast Key Unit and EUMETCast Client Software) which are required to receive the licensed services. However, as trial users you will have already purchased the client software and therefore you will only require the addition of an EKU (cost EUR 40).

3. The NMS will inform EUMETSAT when you have returned your signed licence to them. We will then get in contact with you to confirm your requirements for the EKU. You will be invoiced accordingly and, once payment is received, the EKU will be dispatched to you.

4. EKUs are dispatched with the necessary installation software. Updated versions of the client software already include the EKU software on the same CD-ROM. If you were issued with an earlier version, e.g. by T-Systems, we will provide a free update with your EKU.

5. When you receive your EKU you will be given a new 'user_name' and 'user_key', these will only work in conjunction with your EKU. We will ask you to confirm that you can receive all services for which you have been licensed to receive before removing your earlier 'user_name'/'user_key' from the system.

I hope I have covered all the points you need to know.

Merry Christmas to you all from EUMETSAT.

Sally Wannop
User Support Manager
EUMETSAT User Service


Re: can I receve it

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "iaedwards" <ianedwards@e...> wrote:
I am receving the APT from noaa sats I would like to receve the
MSG-1 from hot bird 6 my question is my computer is only a AMD 1gig
with 128 Mb ram will this be up to the job with the PCI card from
time step If so what soft ware is needed I know i have to register
with emusat my dish is a 1.2meter with a universal LNB

thanks ian
Ian, your PC would (probably) suffice for receiving the segment
files if you install a DVB card, but if you do other tasks at the
same time you will most likely see some segment loss. The memory at
128MB is probably too little to do much if any processing of the
files.

Whilst you could start with this system, I would recommend using
your present box as a Receiver PC, and getting a new system box with
a 2GHz processor and at least 512MB of memory to act as a Processing
PC (and you can do all your general tasks on it as well). No need
for a new keyboard mouse or monitor - just get a KVM switch.

Alternatively, increase the memory on your present system to at
least 512MB to use it as your Processing PC, and ideally see if you
can pick up another system box with 500MHz/256MB to use as your
Receiver PC.

Software:

- SkyStar DVB card drivers (V4.2.2) - with the card

- Tellique software (from Eumetsat) to decode the data stream

- MSG Data Manager (from me) to assemble the segments and manage the
data

- Optionally, MSG Animator for real-time animations

- Optionaly, GeoSatSignal for false-colour, remapped animations

You can find out about the last three items at my Web site:

http://www.satsignal.net


So aim for a two-PC system, but start with one. Increase the memory
for the processing PC to at least 512MB.

Cheers,
David


can I receve it

iaedwards
 

I am receving the APT from noaa sats I would like to receve the MSG-
1 from hot bird 6 my question is my computer is only a AMD 1gig with
128 Mb ram will this be up to the job with the PCI card from time
step If so what soft ware is needed I know i have to register with
emusat my dish is a 1.2meter with a universal LNB

thanks ian


Re: APT - many years left

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 19-12-03 09:50:46 GMT Standard Time,
lawrence@astronomer.plus.com writes:

Hello Nick

I am not sure where you got your information from but it is hardly
accurate. NOAA a.p.t. is set to continue for perhaps a decade, barring
a series of unexpected events. More NOAA wxsat are scheduled for launch
and, assuming that they don't drop any more, should see us well into the
next decade. Cut your teeth on a.p.t. if you wish, though currently,
setting up an MSG-1 system could be cheaper.

best wishes and welcome

Lawrence Harris
Lawrence,

How could you?

Yes, APT from NOAA's will be with us till at least 2010 - all you need is a
RIG RX2,
a sound card and WXSAT.
Can't get much cheaper than that!

However, NOAA N and NOAA N' (if they manage to repair it) will transmit APT
on
either 137.9125 MHz or 137.10 MHz.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: [rig-l] A nice surprise.

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 22-12-03 16:52:28 GMT Standard Time,
satellite@meteosat.co.uk writes:

David, just to let you and others know I have mailed my acceptance off
today and have asked Colin if he would be so kind as to clarify the
position with regards to users who have already purchased the Tellique
sofware.

The letter indicated that on his passing on our details to EUMETSAT they
would issue us with the decryption dongle for 40 EUR and the software
for 60 EUR. What I am not clear on is whether the software specifically
relates to the dongle or to the Tellique package - which many of us
already have. I would hope that EUMETSAT have a record of our previous
purchase, but as in my case this went directly to Tellique I'm not sure,
although they did issue me with the free upgrade.

Cheers,

James
All,

The Met. Office letter from Colin said - and I quote (in part):

"What I will do:

* Inform EUMETSAT that your signed license has been returned to me and ask
them
to issue the decryption hardware and software to you."

"What EUMETSAT will do:

* send you one decryption key unit (e-token) at a cost of 40 EUR.
* send you one receiving software package at a cost of 60 EUR.
* send you a EUMETCast username and password.
* send you an invoice for 100 EUR.

Note - if you took part in the MSG trial you may already have received some
of the
above and paid in part or full."

Confusing - I don't think so - not if you read the 'note'.

I said in earlier e-mail's and those who have read the latest EUMETSAT
operations
News Bulletin Issue 10 that those who have been taking part in the trials
will just
require the e-Token and software.

Entry to the MSG trial is no longer possible I understand - since it is just
about at
an end.

All registrations for access to MSG-1 [Meteosat-8] EUMETCast now will be
applying
for the operational service and will require the TELLICAST (reception)
software and,
in time for the March full data encryption, the e-Token and associated
software.

In which case you will be sent an invoice for 100 EUR.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: A nice surprise.

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 22-12-03 09:29:44 GMT Standard Time,
douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk writes:

What happens when you get it ?
Presumably you sign a second copy and send it back to them as confirmation.
Do you then apply to Eumetsat for the e-dongle and if so do they need
evidence of your licence ?

Regards
Douglas.
Hello Douglas,

There is a covering letter with the two copies of License explaining the
drill.
Yes, you sign one copy and send it back to the Met. Office and retain the
other copy.

The Met. Office will then contact EUMETSAT to inform them they have received
your signed license and ask them to issue the eToken and software.

Regards,
John.


Re: [rig-l] RE: [rig-l] RE: [rig-l] Re: GOES 10 Wefax Images

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 21-12-03 15:00:05 GMT Standard Time, unkebe@bellsouth.net
writes:

Over Joy:
I believe that I may be within range of this Satellite ( Atlantic
Bird 1 at 12.5ΒΊW ). I'm located at 26.7 N / 80.1 W. How can I be sure?
If I can receive this Satellite, I may buy the wife a new diamond this
year (Meaning what I spend on her - I spend on myself too). Barry
Barry,

C-band EUMETCast (MSG-1 data) is carried by Atlantic Bird-3 at 5 deg. W.
In the (eastern) States you will need around a 2.4 - 3.8 m dish.

There is a calculator on the EUMETSAT website for visibility of their
satellites - go to

http://www.eumetsat.de/cgi-bin/tools/antennaPointing

where you will find Atlantic Bird-3.

I hope this is of use.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: Eumetsat CD

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

Thanks David,

Yes I have the current CD with the 3.00 Alladin software - I have
also downloaded the 3.51 update, but not having the hardware I won't
update until this arrives and is activated - or it is shown to be
beneficial!
James,

You remind me of one other point about the eToken. Back in the
early days of the Tellique software, the Smart Card driver service
would found to have a memory leak when the Tellique software was
run. The recommended solution was to disable that service. The
service _is_ required for the eToken to work correctly, so you will
need to set the service startup to Smart Card: automatic.

I have no details about running the Smart Card service on Windows 9X
as it doesn't support services.

Cheers,
David


Re: Eumetsat CD

James Brown
 

James, the CD current Eumetsat CD contains:

- an updated Tellique client V2.3.1, with an install program.

- the eToken runtime environment V3.00

You can get the eToken RTE directly from Aladdin. Arne van Belle
pointed this out to me. I guess you can get the earlier versions as
well.

-- Version RTE 3.50 (11 aug 2003) is available for download from
Aladdin. You need to register first, download size about 3.8 Mb
(read releasenotes included)

http://www.ealaddin.com/support/list.asp?selectProduct=et&pd=eToken%
20for%20PKI%20solutions&vr=3

(I've turned off the wrap, but the above URL should be on one line.)

To be 100% conformant with the Eumetsat CD, you should use V3.00
eToken RTE, which is what Arne uses. As it happens (see earlier
thread for problem history), I am using V3.51, which seems to be OK
as well.

Cheers,
David
Thanks David,

Yes I have the current CD with the 3.00 Alladin software - I have also downloaded the 3.51 update, but not having the hardware I won't update until this arrives and is activated - or it is shown to be beneficial!

Thanks for the new Geosatsignal incidentally - will give it a going over tonight hopefully.

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown


Eumetsat CD

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

The letter indicated that on his passing on our details to
EUMETSAT they would issue us with the decryption dongle for 40 EUR
and the software for 60 EUR. What I am not clear on is whether the
software specifically relates to the dongle or to the Tellique
package - which many of us already have. I would hope that EUMETSAT
have a record of our previous purchase, but as in my case this went
directly to Tellique I'm not sure, although they did issue me with
the free upgrade.
James, the CD current Eumetsat CD contains:

- an updated Tellique client V2.3.1, with an install program.

- the eToken runtime environment V3.00

You can get the eToken RTE directly from Aladdin. Arne van Belle
pointed this out to me. I guess you can get the earlier versions as
well.

-- Version RTE 3.50 (11 aug 2003) is available for download from
Aladdin. You need to register first, download size about 3.8 Mb
(read releasenotes included)

http://www.ealaddin.com/support/list.asp?selectProduct=et&pd=eToken%
20for%20PKI%20solutions&vr=3

(I've turned off the wrap, but the above URL should be on one line.)

To be 100% conformant with the Eumetsat CD, you should use V3.00
eToken RTE, which is what Arne uses. As it happens (see earlier
thread for problem history), I am using V3.51, which seems to be OK
as well.

Cheers,
David


Re: HRV Channel 12

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

The strange anomaly is in fact present on all the 14.30 images and
can be seen between approx. 16Β° - 20Β° S latitude. A small blip in
the SEVIRI or probably software.

Yes, same here, Scanner or scan position sensor. Is this the
region that was hammered by the mini-scans the other day?


The FSD data is not coming in timeously at the moment.
"timeously" - Scottish? Meaning on-time (I am told).

One wonders if eventually channel 3 may need a bandwidth tweak.
I think you are correct - perticularly when all the other goodies
are added like 30-minute Met-5 and Met-7 data next year. Changing
the bandwidth would not have been possible if direct dissemination
from MSG-1 were in use, so again many thanks to the SSPA designer!

Cheers,
David


Re: [rig-l] A nice surprise.

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

40Euros if you already have the Tellique software.

Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: James Brown
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: [rig-l] A nice surprise.


In message <4f.388cde1f.2d180bbd@aol.com>, johnrigsec@aol.com writes
>All,
>
>I hope that MSG users in the UK had the same surprise as me this morning when
>picking up the morning post?
>There amongst the Christmas cards was my Met. Office License Agreement for
>the
>use of MSG Data.
>
>I hope that you all received yours - or will do so in a couple of days.
>
>What an end to the year?
>
>Regards,
>John Tellick.
>

Yes myself as well.
Does this mean you'll be getting an MSG system now John? ;-))

To answer Douglas's question:

We need to return a signed copy to the Met office and they will inform
EUMETSAT and then they in turn will issue the decryption hardware and
software at the cost of 100 EUR inclusive.

Payment is to be by a cheque drawn in EUR to EUMETSAT, and then they
will activate the e-token.

Cheers,
James
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Re: [rig-l] A nice surprise.

James Brown
 

In message <bs6j5g+i4r8@eGroups.com>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
Does this mean you'll be getting an MSG system now John? ;-))
Must be the one person who _should_ have one!

To answer Douglas's question:

We need to return a signed copy to the Met office and they will
inform EUMETSAT and then they in turn will issue the decryption
hardware and software at the cost of 100 EUR inclusive.

This confuses me - the cost, as I understaood it, was 60 Euros for
the Tellique software and 40 Euros for the eToken and it's runtime
environment. You may want to check just what you get for the 100
Euros - perhaps it includes the Tellique software you already have.
David, just to let you and others know I have mailed my acceptance off today and have asked Colin if he would be so kind as to clarify the position with regards to users who have already purchased the Tellique sofware.

The letter indicated that on his passing on our details to EUMETSAT they would issue us with the decryption dongle for 40 EUR and the software for 60 EUR. What I am not clear on is whether the software specifically relates to the dongle or to the Tellique package - which many of us already have. I would hope that EUMETSAT have a record of our previous purchase, but as in my case this went directly to Tellique I'm not sure, although they did issue me with the free upgrade.

Cheers,

James
--
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Re: HRV Channel 12

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Ian S Deans" <ian@i...> wrote:
Did anyone else see a strange anomaly on HRIT channel 12 at 14.30.
over Africa or was this just part of my on going problem with
segment loss.

What do you mean, Ian. What pixel location or lat and
lon? "Africa" covers a fair number of pixels!

The only thing I can see is that the switch from lower window to
upper window seems a little less "clean" than usual. However, the
1415 and 1445 images look similar.

Segment loss would cause a break of 464 lines in the image. If you
have the Clear images box checked, that 464 lines should show as a
black area, with precisely horizontal edges, and exactly 464 lines
high.

I mention this in detail because sometimes there are gaps in the
Foreign Satellite Data which do _not_ have exactly horizontal edges,
and these gaps are caused by gaps in the unrectified source data.
The gap in the source has edges in the plane of the scan, but the
scan plane may not be parallel to the equator because of the
inclination of the orbit. When the rectified image is viewed, the
scan gaps are no longer horizontal. I expect you already knew this,
but others may not.

Cheers,
David