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Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

Nicola <scsebnic@...>
 

Hi Nigel,
I got reception of MSG-1 working on my laptop since september '03 without any difficulty:

Laptop IBM A31, Intel Pentium 4 Mobile CPU 1.8Ghz, 524K Ram, Hd 10Gb + 30Gb, Microsoft Windows 2000 5.00 Sp3;
Sky2 USB card and drivers;
88cm dish patio mounted;
Tellicast from Eumetsat;
David Taylor MSG Data Manager excellent software.

Regards
Nicola

----- Original Message -----
From: Nigel Heasman
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] MSG-1 on a laptop?


Hi all,
Has anyone got reception of MSG-1 working on a laptop and, if so,
what hardware are they using?
regards
nigel heasman



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Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@...
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

I have no reported problems. And I wouldn't mind betting that the old
driver will work ? A plug again, but the USB version is 50 pounds below
retail for RIG members.

Regards

Dave


Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Nigel Heasman" <nigel_heasman@y...>
wrote:
I believe "Yes", with the USB adaptor. I don't know if Eumetsat
officially support this route, though.
David
---------------------------------------------
The USB version is fine. And I know it's a plug, but you did ask,
it's on my website.
Dave
---------------------------------------------
Many thanks, both
regards
Nigel
Yes, I looked back through my e-mail and it's Wim van Gaalen who has
the laptop system running. I think he needed a particular driver
version.

Thanks, Dave, for the pointer to your Web site as a source of the
USB kit. Have you seen any issues with driver V4.2.8 (which I think
comes with the USB kit) compared to V4.2.2? V4.2.8 has certainly
caused some people problems (including me) when applied to the DVB
card. My eToken seemed much less reliable, stopping working for no
apparent reason. Could not explain that.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

Nigel Heasman <nigel_heasman@...>
 

I believe "Yes", with the USB adaptor. I don't know if Eumetsat
officially support this route, though.
David
---------------------------------------------
The USB version is fine. And I know it's a plug, but you did ask,
it's on my website.
Dave
---------------------------------------------
Many thanks, both
regards
Nigel


Re: Meteosat-5 IODC errors

Robert Moore
 

David, my Meteosat-5 images are pretty messed up too (sorry for the technical
jargon)

Robert



Quoting David Taylor <david-taylor@...>:

Folks,

I am seeing three lots of errors on Meteosat-5 (Indian Ocean)
segments. These have been reported informally to Eumetsat but are
still outstanding. These problems are:

1 - Prolog sometimes coming after the first data segment. The
prolog carries the thermal calibration information.

2 - Last segment arrives before other segments, causing a temporary
save of an incomplete image.

3 - Visible channel segments 2 or 3 are sometimes missing, for
example from yesterday's report:

Missing segments report, 2003 Dec 13
Cycle: 0300 met5-vis seg 2
Cycle: 1200 met5-vis seg 3
Cycle: 1500 met5-vis seg 2 3

As long as the calibration is stable, (1) is not a problem.
(2) is an incovenience as it can take up to three hours for the MSG
Data Manager to recover from the problem and save the complete image
(when the next scan arrives). (3) is a new problem that I have only
noticed in the last couple of days. I am seeing it on two PCs, so I
am guessing that it is systematic rather than chance, but it would
be useful to have confirmation from other people as well.

Cheers,
David



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MSG EUMETCast encryption test day.

johnrigsec@...
 

All,

The December prolonged test day for encryption of MSG data via EUMETCast was
cancelled owing to too few users possessing the key for tests to be useful
and to
problems identified by EUMETSAT with encryption and the use of Linux
software.

A prolonged encryption test day is scheduled for February 3rd 2004.
By then most users should have their key.

Regards,
John Tellick.


UK MSG licensing arrangements.

johnrigsec@...
 

All,

I had a long chat with the UK Met. Offices MSG Licensing Agent on Friday, who
I
have been liaising with regularly this year and I now have - 'hot off the
press' a copy
of the:

License Agreement for the use of MSG data for educational use/a research
project without charge.

It was only drafted the end of last week and contains 6 pages.

Article 2.2

"Educational use" * means any use of MSG data by a school, university,
scientific
institute, (private or institutional), solely for educational purposes,
without transmission or redistribution of these data to any further third party, or
use of them to generate a Value Added Service.

* For the purposes of the direct reception of MSG data, personal use by
private individuals shall be treated under the definition of <<Educational Use >>.
In such cases the same conditions apply as for educational users.

Which says, formally, what I reported in an earlier e-mail.

Article 9. Ownership and Intellectual Property Rights.

This deals with 'uses' of the data within our category.

I think I need to define formally with the Licensing Agent what we can do -
or more importantly - cannot do, with the data, regarding such matters as
publication in a
'journal', on private websites etc.

There are about 100 UK licenses pending and the Met. Office hope to begin
dealing with them this week.
I'm not sure if UK registered users will get their license before Christmas
though.

You will be required to sign a copy of the agreement and return it to the
Met. Office
who will then notify EUMETSAT and you will then be able to apply for and
purchase the eToken decryption unit and software.

The license will run for three years and you will then be required to sign a
further
agreement for another three year period.

Some Member States Met. Offices will charge a handling fee for processing
licenses -
but not the UK Met. Office.

This December's prolonged test day of MSG data encryption was cancelled owing
to very few users having a decryption key to test and problems that EUMETSAT
have encountered with encryption and Linux systems.

The new encryption test day is scheduled for February 3rd 2004 when all users
should
have their keys.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: Meteosat-5 IODC errors

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "John Thexton" <john@j...> wrote:
David
Just the same here.

John
John,

Many thanks for that confirmation. Let's hope Eumetsat sort this
out, as the IODC images are of quite excellent quality.

Cheers,
David


Re: MSG data access.

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 13-12-03 14:59:59 GMT Standard Time,
david-taylor@... writes:

John,

Could I add my personal thanks to those you have already received
for the work you have done in this respect?

I know that dealing with such organisations is not easy, as they
have defined ways of working, and you have to fit in with those ways
or you make no progress at all. Things can seem to move very
slowly, and it does not help to try and force things along. Many
within the organisations genuinely do their best, but this is not
always visible to outsiders.

I have said before that I think your patience and political skills
in dealing with these issues are unmatched, and I am delighted that
the amateur community has been able to benefit from your talents!

Many thanks,
David
David,

Thank you very much - praise indeed.

OK, enough gloating.
We need to remember that EUMETSAT are governed by the EUMETSAT Council -
which
is made up of the Met. Offices of the Member States.
For that reason one needed to 'pursued' several parties rather than EUMETSAT
itself and to this end many of my agency contacts have played a role.

This takes time - which I have, patience - which I have, I don't know about
'political
skill', there are some who would strongly disagree with that notion.
But it always appeared to me that 'banging the table' or making demands was
not the
right way to go about it and would have got me nowhere.

Yes, it has taken time - a long time - but we got there in the end and if you
look at the MSG data data 'price list' you will see just what a privileged
position we are in.

And, there is even more good news to come.

Regards,
John Tellick.


Re: LICENSE REQUIRED

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., <barryday@t...> wrote:
Good morning David, A while ago we spoke of a 1 month license for
MSG Manager and GEOSATSIGNAL , I have not got the data flowing and
getting pics of which Iam looking at them useing ACDC and PAINT SHOP
PRO.
Would you be so good as to grant me a license to try out your
progs.
Many thanks
Barry G3WIS QTHR
Barry,

I have arranged for you to receive trial licences for the MSG Data
Manager, GeoSatSignal and the MSG Animator.

I would prefer if future requests like this were made directly to me
in an e-mail rather than on these lists.

Cheers,
David
--
Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.net
Email: davidtaylor@...


Re: newbie setting up for MSG

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Your system thoughts have made things clearer.

Regards,
John.
John,

I'm glad that helped. I suggest we publish those thoughts for
people just starting - someone will be in touch asking for your
permission.

Cheers,
David


LICENSE REQUIRED

barryday@...
 

Good morning David, A while ago we spoke of a 1 month license for MSG
Manager and GEOSATSIGNAL , I have not got the data flowing and getting pics
of which Iam looking at them useing ACDC and PAINT SHOP PRO.
Would you be so good as to grant me a license to try out your progs.
Many thanks
Barry G3WIS QTHR

barryday@...


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Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
e-mail Information@...
Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

The USB version is fine. And I know it's a plug, but you did ask, it's on
my website.

Dave


Re: MSG-1 on a laptop?

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Nigel Heasman" <nigel_heasman@y...>
wrote:
Hi all,
Has anyone got reception of MSG-1 working on a laptop and, if so,
what hardware are they using?
regards
nigel heasman
I believe "Yes", with the USB adaptor. I don't know if Eumetsat
officially support this route, though.

David


MSG-1 on a laptop?

Nigel Heasman <nigel_heasman@...>
 

Hi all,
Has anyone got reception of MSG-1 working on a laptop and, if so,
what hardware are they using?
regards
nigel heasman


Re: newbie setting up for MSG

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 12-12-03 11:37:43 GMT Standard Time,
douglas@... writes:

Yes I could not agree more. My own 'main' computer has just failed
(probably motherboard) and I am now using a single lesser spec.computer.
It can deal with everything but not simultaneously without virtually
grinding to a halt.
It is the small but accumulative things that matter. Hard drive no longer
7200, memory not DDR, memory only 512MB not 1024Mb, processor now 1200 not
2000...all take a toll.
Strangely segment loss does not seem to be an issue, although I do not take
everything and until my 'main' computer is repaired I am taking it easy...
no HRV animations in GSS 4 etc.!
Does still surprise me what is possible with a bit of careful use, so for
those holding back have a go and still enjoy the hobby with a little
computer management.

Regards
Douglas.
Douglas,

Thanks for yet more useful comments regarding computer specs for MSG.
Especially your last sentence - that should encourage some to 'put a toe in.'

Perhaps some have been put off with the initial considered requirements for a
system.
'Horses for courses?'
Or, is that oversimplifying the situation?

Regards,
John.


Re: Meteosat-5 IODC errors

John Thexton <john@...>
 

David
Just the same here.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:58 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Meteosat-5 IODC errors


Folks,

I am seeing three lots of errors on Meteosat-5 (Indian Ocean)
segments. These have been reported informally to Eumetsat but are
still outstanding. These problems are:

1 - Prolog sometimes coming after the first data segment. The
prolog carries the thermal calibration information.

2 - Last segment arrives before other segments, causing a temporary
save of an incomplete image.

3 - Visible channel segments 2 or 3 are sometimes missing, for
example from yesterday's report:

Missing segments report, 2003 Dec 13
Cycle: 0300 met5-vis seg 2
Cycle: 1200 met5-vis seg 3
Cycle: 1500 met5-vis seg 2 3

As long as the calibration is stable, (1) is not a problem.
(2) is an incovenience as it can take up to three hours for the MSG
Data Manager to recover from the problem and save the complete image
(when the next scan arrives). (3) is a new problem that I have only
noticed in the last couple of days. I am seeing it on two PCs, so I
am guessing that it is systematic rather than chance, but it would
be useful to have confirmation from other people as well.

Cheers,
David


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Meteosat-5 IODC errors

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Folks,

I am seeing three lots of errors on Meteosat-5 (Indian Ocean)
segments. These have been reported informally to Eumetsat but are
still outstanding. These problems are:

1 - Prolog sometimes coming after the first data segment. The
prolog carries the thermal calibration information.

2 - Last segment arrives before other segments, causing a temporary
save of an incomplete image.

3 - Visible channel segments 2 or 3 are sometimes missing, for
example from yesterday's report:

Missing segments report, 2003 Dec 13
Cycle: 0300 met5-vis seg 2
Cycle: 1200 met5-vis seg 3
Cycle: 1500 met5-vis seg 2 3

As long as the calibration is stable, (1) is not a problem.
(2) is an incovenience as it can take up to three hours for the MSG
Data Manager to recover from the problem and save the complete image
(when the next scan arrives). (3) is a new problem that I have only
noticed in the last couple of days. I am seeing it on two PCs, so I
am guessing that it is systematic rather than chance, but it would
be useful to have confirmation from other people as well.

Cheers,
David


Re: newbie setting up for MSG

johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 11-12-03 15:03:42 GMT Standard Time,
rsmoore@... writes:

Agree. Our collective experience seems to be that the two-PC approach is
best by
far, but one will work OK, though the lower spec the less can be done with
other memory-hungry programs without interfering with MSG-1 data.
Once anyone gets hooked I guess they will be saving hard for that second PC
(or,
I suppose, giving up all other activities on the one PC!).
Robert
Robert,

Thanks for your comments also.

Regards,
John.


Re: newbie setting up for MSG

johnrigsec@...
 

David,

Thanks very much for your suggestions to my questions 'what do I need to do
what?'

It just seemed to me that there are many variations as to what is being used
currently for reception of MSG EUMETCast data.
Some are running 'high spec - do it all' systems some are fairly basic and as
you
and Arne have shown recently you can, given limitations, run a fairly
basically
specified system and get 'satisfactory' results.

It seemed to me to be useful to try to define a specification for a
'preferred' system.
I thought my survey would have given some pointers but I think it threw up so
many
variations that one couldn't see the wood for the trees.

Your system thoughts have made things clearer.

Regards,
John.