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Re: MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

Timestep <Information@...>
 

From: Dave Cawley
Timestep Dartmouth England
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Web site http://www.Time-step.com
Tel. +44 (0)1803 833366
Fax. +44 (0)1803 839498

Without being rude, pay the 8 quid and be very grateful !

Dave


Sky2PC USB

Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
 

I have just installed Sky2PC USB replacing my original Sky2PC Rev 2.3. This should eliminate the IRQ quandry. The unit from Timestep came with the 4.2.2. driver/software package but I have downloaded and installed V4.2.8.

Set4PC now show Quality at 96-100% and SNR 16.9 compared with 46% and 8.5 with the 4.2.2 software.

Peter


MSG PAYMENT PROBLEM HELP

BARRY DAY <barryday@...>
 

HI ALL, dose anyone know how to pay EUMETSAT with out haveing to pay the
bank �8.00 for a bank draft??
I would like to do it on VISA..
Thanks
Barry
barryday@...


Re: May I not regret saying this....

Lawrence <lawrence@...>
 

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:42:02 -0000, you wrote:

Have a look at the Event Viewer.

Cheers, Guy
Yes, I have been, Guy.

best wishes

Lawrence



----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: May I not regret saying this....


--- In MSG-1@..., Lawrence <lawrence@a...>You could maybe scan for .LOG files timestamped around the time of
the problem, or indeed any files around that time. Might give a
hint as to what is causing the problem!


Re: May I not regret saying this....

Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Have a look at the Event Viewer.

Cheers, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: David Taylor
To: MSG-1@...
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: May I not regret saying this....


--- In MSG-1@..., Lawrence <lawrence@a...>You could maybe scan for .LOG files timestamped around the time of
the problem, or indeed any files around that time. Might give a
hint as to what is causing the problem!

Cheers,
David


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Re: May I not regret saying this....

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

You could maybe scan for .LOG files timestamped around the time
of
the problem, or indeed any files around that time. Might give a
hint as to what is causing the problem!
Yes, but I admit to not understanding the exact meaning of the log
file
messages. Some say things like 'key expired'. I shall look more
closely when I spot a missing segment, though this will probably be
after the event.
Lawrence,

I meant look on your hard disk for any files modified around the
time of the missing segments, not the Tellique log files (although
they are also worth checking). The idea as that if you find a
modified file in &#92;Pogram Files&#92;Nero etc. it might mean that Nero was
doing the regular activity. Just a thought.

David


Re: May I not regret saying this....

Lawrence <lawrence@...>
 

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:11:27 -0000, you wrote:

snip

So far today - no problems!
Good to hear that, Lawrence.

You are right, in that a program does not have to be shown as a
scheduled task to be scheduled! Any of the processes listed in the
Taks Manager processes tab can, at any time, decide that it wants to
do something. An example is the MSG Data Manager, which wakes up
every 20 seconds or so to look for new files. With something that
is on a daily basis, my guesses would include:

- anti-virus software looking for a data file update
My receive computer does not have anti-virus installed because I don't
receive e-mail or web activity on it.

- any Internet program (e.g. Zone Alarm) looking to see if it is the
latest version
Ditto.


- Windows Update
Inhibited - only run manually as necessary.


What surprises me, though, is that any of these activities result in
missing segments. Although perhaps the story is: no update
required, the program goes back to sleep - update required, CPU-
intensive task required. So only on those days when something was
updated does the segment loss occur.

You could maybe scan for .LOG files timestamped around the time of
the problem, or indeed any files around that time. Might give a
hint as to what is causing the problem!
Yes, but I admit to not understanding the exact meaning of the log file
messages. Some say things like 'key expired'. I shall look more
closely when I spot a missing segment, though this will probably be
after the event.

Lawrence


Re: May I not regret saying this....

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., Lawrence <lawrence@a...> wrote:
David - yes, I understand that idea, but again this morning there
were *no* missing segments, so it is not completely consistent. I
cannot see any scheduled tasks listed, though experience tells me
that they can exist with no obvious indication until they happen. I
shall keep investigating, anyway.

So far today - no problems!
Good to hear that, Lawrence.

You are right, in that a program does not have to be shown as a
scheduled task to be scheduled! Any of the processes listed in the
Taks Manager processes tab can, at any time, decide that it wants to
do something. An example is the MSG Data Manager, which wakes up
every 20 seconds or so to look for new files. With something that
is on a daily basis, my guesses would include:

- anti-virus software looking for a data file update

- any Internet program (e.g. Zone Alarm) looking to see if it is the
latest version

- Windows Update

What surprises me, though, is that any of these activities result in
missing segments. Although perhaps the story is: no update
required, the program goes back to sleep - update required, CPU-
intensive task required. So only on those days when something was
updated does the segment loss occur.

You could maybe scan for .LOG files timestamped around the time of
the problem, or indeed any files around that time. Might give a
hint as to what is causing the problem!

Cheers,
David


Re: May I not regret saying this....

Lawrence <lawrence@...>
 

David - yes, I understand that idea, but again this morning there were
*no* missing segments, so it is not completely consistent. I cannot see
any scheduled tasks listed, though experience tells me that they can
exist with no obvious indication until they happen. I shall keep
investigating, anyway.

So far today - no problems!

regards

Lawrence

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:36:20 -0000, you wrote:

--- In MSG-1@..., Lawrence <lawrence@a...> wrote:
So far this morning (and also some of yesterday evening) I have
not seen any holes in my images. There has *always* been a hole in
the 9.45am HRIT image set - but not today.

Long may it continue.

Lawrence
Lawrence, to me having such a time-consistent error points strongly
to a daily scheduled task affecting reception. Perhaps if you can
find out what it was, that might help others...

Cheers,
David


Re: File transmission ended/interrupted (files missing)

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Peter Benney" <tugboat@g...> wrote:
After 30 hours of perfect reception I have 2 missing segments
reported this morning.
Cycle: 0600
msg-ch02, seg: 5
msg-ch03, seg: 5
Those segments were OK here.

It would seem that files can be reported missing incomplete but
later received. An example is shown here.

This is with data channel 3 - LRIT. I am advised that files of a
higher priority can interrupt the transmission of files at a lower
priority on this channel. MSG-1 SEVIRI data has priority over other
data, so if SEVIRI (MSG-1 imager) data becomes available, the other
data can be interrupted, held in a disk cache, and be resumed
later. You should not normally see this on data channel 2.

Cheers,
David


File transmission ended/interrupted (files missing)

Peter Benney <tugboat@...>
 

After 30 hours of perfect reception I have 2 missing segments reported this morning.
Cycle: 0600
msg-ch02, seg: 5
msg-ch03, seg: 5
Log....
MSG:2003-11-14 06:08:44.375:
File transmission 3fb47158001b5d77 ended/interrupted: 2 files missing/incomplete

MSG:2003-11-14 06:08:44.375:
Missed parts of file `H-000-MSG1__-MSG1________-IR_016___-000005___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb47158001b5d70 from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 2'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:08:44.375:
Missed parts of file `H-000-MSG1__-MSG1________-VIS008___-000005___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb47158001b5d71 from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 2'

It would seem that files can be reported missing incomplete but later received. An example is shown here.
Log...
MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
File transmission 3fb4753d001b6102 ended/interrupted: 6 files missing/incomplete

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000001___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b60fc from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000002___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b60fd from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000003___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b60fe from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000004___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b60ff from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:
Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000005___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b6100 from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

MSG:2003-11-14 06:25:48.062:Missed file `L-000-MSG1__-GOES9_______-00_7_140E-000006___-200311140600-C_' id 3fb4753d001b6101 from channel `EUMETSAT Data Channel 3'

The files will be received one at a time, the next missing file report being as above but minus the first segment until the whole sequence is correctly received.

Rx PC
AMD AthlonXP 2400+
M/B: Elite L7VTM VIA KT400
Bios: Award
1024 MB DDR RAM - PC2100

Skystar 2 Rev 2.3 Driver V4.2.2. Tellique 2.3.1
IRQ 18 shared with on board ethernet.
Triax 88cm dish, Quality 70%. SNR 10.8. BER Zero. No uncorrected blocks
Wx: Fine, Wind: Sly <12mph

Peter


Re: May I not regret saying this....

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., Lawrence <lawrence@a...> wrote:
So far this morning (and also some of yesterday evening) I have
not seen any holes in my images. There has *always* been a hole in
the 9.45am HRIT image set - but not today.

Long may it continue.

Lawrence
Lawrence, to me having such a time-consistent error points strongly
to a daily scheduled task affecting reception. Perhaps if you can
find out what it was, that might help others...

Cheers,
David


Re: driver for technisat skystar2 dvb card

a_van_belle
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "David J Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote:
Hi, how can i figure out, which skystar card version i am using?
regards, max
Physical examination.

(The older 2.3 card has a chip with a finned heatsink near the
tuner, on
which would could fry eggs!).
And the Transponder status screen does only show BER + value on the
older 2.3 card. (below SNR, above Uncorrected Blocks)
On the old card the F-connector is placed near the top of the
cardslot, on the 2.6B revision it's almost at the bottom (mainbord
side).

Arne van Belle


Re: Telique log files (was: Re: Missing Segments)

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David
It might be a worthwhile experiment to see how your DVB card would run
in
your main system.
That is almost exactly what I now have. I found that heavey image
processing operations in Paint Shop Pro or making large panoramas (minutes
of CPU) could easily get you missing segments.

I have a very heavily loaded single PC system and have no
lost segments over the past few days. Could it be that users with 2 PCs
are
using a reasonably old (low performance)PC as the receiver? If
performance
is essentially disk bound, then even simple things like hard disk
buffers
and faster I/O buses which have improved dramatically over the past year
or
so will make a huge difference, possibly to the point where a heavily
loaded
single "modern" PC can out perform the reception only duties of a less
capable PC.
It's what I had hoped, but whereas the data rate off a CD is not
dissimilar to the data rate of the HRIT channel, handling the DVB data
stream is a lot more critical. As I said before, it is not clear to me
just where this criticality lies.

Cheers,
David


Re: driver for technisat skystar2 dvb card

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "maxrpunkt" <reuterm@...>
To: <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: driver for technisat skystar2 dvb card


Hi, how can i figure out, which skystar card version i am using?
regards, max
Physical examination.

(The older 2.3 card has a chip with a finned heatsink near the tuner, on
which would could fry eggs!).

David


Re: Telique log files (was: Re: Missing Segments)

Roger Mawhinney <roger@...>
 

David
It might be a worthwhile experiment to see how your DVB card would run in
your main system. I have a very heavily loaded single PC system and have no
lost segments over the past few days. Could it be that users with 2 PCs are
using a reasonably old (low performance)PC as the receiver? If performance
is essentially disk bound, then even simple things like hard disk buffers
and faster I/O buses which have improved dramatically over the past year or
so will make a huge difference, possibly to the point where a heavily loaded
single "modern" PC can out perform the reception only duties of a less
capable PC.

Have any 2 PC users tried a direct comparison with single high performance
PC configuration?
Roger

|

|-----Original Message-----
|From: David Taylor [mailto:david-taylor@...]
|Sent: 13 November 2003 16:49
|To: MSG-1@...
|
|--- In MSG-1@..., "Peter Benney" <tugboat@g...> wrote:
|[]
|> I had bad segment loss today on the 0200, 0215, 0230 cycles and
|the 0245 cycle was reported missing.
|>
|> The Tellique log shows a mass of "missed messages" and several
|error messages...
|>
|> "Failed to open data channel 'Eumetsat Data Channel 2', address
|224.223.222.21:2511
|> (wrong interface address 192.168.238.238?)"
|>
|> I note the B2C2 interface share IRQ18 with my NIC. I think if I
|move the NIC to another PCI slot it may well get another IRQ.
|
|I don't know. On my 1GHz Pentium III system (ASUS CLUSL2-C
|motherboard), today I removed the DVB card (i.e. uninstalled it in
|software) and moved it to a different slot.
|
|On re-installing it all the IRQs are about the same and still
|shared - IRQ 9 is (ISA) ACPI compliant system, (PCI) DVB card, sound
|card, video card and network card. I wonder if I ought to
|have "Plug-and-play OS" enabled in the BIOS?
|
|On the 2.8GHz Pentium 4 system with its ASUS P4P800 motherboard, the
|IRQs are (PCI) 5 Hauppauge audio driver, 11 USB controller, 16 video
|card, 17 sound card, 18 disk, 19 USB, 20 IEEE 1394, 21 DVB card and
|Hauppauge video driver, 22 network and added-in SCSI card. Where do
|these IRQs above 15 comre from? [And no, I am not recommended that
|anyone use a DVB card on such a fully loaded system - mine is just
|an experiment).
|
|Cheers,
|David
|
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Re: Security update?

Alan Sewards <alan.sewards@...>
 

John,
I downloaded and installed this update today (after setting a System
Restore point!) and had no problems with the restart.

Best regards - Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Parkins" <kvp@...>
To: "MSG-1 Mailing List" <MSG-1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: [MSG-1] Security update?


Hello All,

I installed the latest Microsoft security update (KB824145) to my
processing
computer this morning and it got stuck in a re-booting loop once it
had fired itself up. I got it going in safe mode and restored back to
yesterday and now it seems fine. Anyone else had a problem with this
update?




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Re: Reports from a least affected user

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

I don't suppose it would help but has anyone affected by the
problems (Windows XP) tried adding to the boot file, the very last
line, /pcilock - according to Microsoft knowledge base this can
help with PCI IRQ conflicts.

[boot loader]
timeout=2
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)&#92;WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)&#92;WINNT="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /pcilock
^^^^^^^^
Didn't know about that one, James. As I read it though, this means
that you have to sort out the IRQs yourself first, and then Windows
doesn't touch the result.

Talking of interrupts - the 188 byte packets come down at a 27.5MS/s
rate. What is the resulting bit rate? 100Mb/s? One bit every
10ns? So a 188 byte packet lasts 2us? There's no way a PC could
handle 500K interrupts a second! So what is the packet size and
interrupt rate? How many packets fit into the on-card buffer?

Cheers,
David


Re: lost/delayed segments

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

- is there a possibility to figure out where the segments are lost
(without waiting for some eumetsat messages) ?

I would love to see a real-time Web page with this information - how
about it Eumetsat?

- was there a change in the dissimination in the past 3 days?
Not that I know of.

- if there are some segments delayed, how long it makes sense to
wait for them. my image processor is adjusted, to wait at maximum 2
hours for delayed segments. segments ariving more then 2 hours after
the first segment are ignored. may this 2 hour threshold cause the
lost segments?

When data is updated every 15 minutes, how much use is two-hour old
data? The bandwidth of the system is not even twice that required
for a real-time data stream, so more than one full cycle of catch-up
is unlikely, I think.

By the way, please be a little patient with the moderators - to
avoid spam new member's posts are moderated and could take a few
hours to appear.

Cheers,
David


Telique log files (was: Re: Missing Segments)

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "Peter Benney" <tugboat@g...> wrote:
[]
I had bad segment loss today on the 0200, 0215, 0230 cycles and
the 0245 cycle was reported missing.

The Tellique log shows a mass of "missed messages" and several
error messages...

"Failed to open data channel 'Eumetsat Data Channel 2', address
224.223.222.21:2511
(wrong interface address 192.168.238.238?)"

I note the B2C2 interface share IRQ18 with my NIC. I think if I
move the NIC to another PCI slot it may well get another IRQ.

I don't know. On my 1GHz Pentium III system (ASUS CLUSL2-C
motherboard), today I removed the DVB card (i.e. uninstalled it in
software) and moved it to a different slot.

On re-installing it all the IRQs are about the same and still
shared - IRQ 9 is (ISA) ACPI compliant system, (PCI) DVB card, sound
card, video card and network card. I wonder if I ought to
have "Plug-and-play OS" enabled in the BIOS?

On the 2.8GHz Pentium 4 system with its ASUS P4P800 motherboard, the
IRQs are (PCI) 5 Hauppauge audio driver, 11 USB controller, 16 video
card, 17 sound card, 18 disk, 19 USB, 20 IEEE 1394, 21 DVB card and
Hauppauge video driver, 22 network and added-in SCSI card. Where do
these IRQs above 15 comre from? [And no, I am not recommended that
anyone use a DVB card on such a fully loaded system - mine is just
an experiment).

Cheers,
David