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Re: Hvs

Ferdinand Valk
 

Hi Thomas,

 

The Sentinel data on HVS-2 is indeed used for more specialized applications. Much of the data can also be had via the Internet and thus the effort and expense the required to receive and decode is most likely not in proportion to its use for many of the amateur users.

 

Modis data comes from the Aqua and Terra satellites. If you are interested in these, you should also have a look at the VIIRS data from Suomi NPP and NOAA20, which is the follow-up of Modis.

 

Ferdinand

 

From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Scheelen
Sent: Saturday, 09 November, 2019 21:52
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Hvs

 

Hi Ferdinand, 

 

Thx for the explanation. 

 

I already filled the form, but i was pretty flashed about all the new stuff in there. 

 

The HVS on transpoder2 is still a little mystery, because does anybody of the enthusiastic users working with those data? 

 

First i thought sentinel data offers a eay for much higher resolution and better quality, but i guess those data are only usable for analyzes. I am happy if iam wrong... 😄 

 

Another new (old) thing i discovered is modis-l1 data. No idea why i never looked deeper into this. The images are quite impressive. 

 

But which satellite does transmit modis-l1 data? Hopefully it is not an obsolete feature... 

 

Many questions.... 😄 

 

@David 

 

I thank you for the information about the upgrades. How about the other tools which not in the tool packages? 

 

Kind Regards 

Thomas 

 

Am 8. November 2019 08:13:38 schrieb "Ferdinand Valk" <fvalk@...>:

Hi Thomas,

 

You do not need to request HVS as such but you must make sure you have requested/selected the items in the EO portal such as Third Party Data Services for Goes East and West, Himawari etc. which are delivered via HVS-1 and the Copernicus entries if you are looking for HVS-2.

 

Cheers,

Ferdinand

 

From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Scheelen
Sent: Thursday, 07 November, 2019 22:01
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: [MSG-1] Hvs

 

I wonder if i need to fill a separate registration request for HVS reception.

 

I already have pid 600 + 601 activ, but no hvs data yet.

 

Regards 

Thomas 

 

Re: Strange Fading effects

Thomas Scheelen
 

John, 

unfortunately i had no time yet to install the new dish. The basic service is very stable indeed.Even in heavy cloud conditions with rain the s/n dropped just 0,5 db. 

By the way... is it a good idea to mount the new dish on a diseqc motor? Could imagine that the repeat accuracy is not precise enough. 

Regards 

Am 8. November 2019 16:10:39 schrieb "geojohnt via Groups.Io" <geojohnt@...>:

Hello Thomas,

With a 120 cm dish you 'should' get around 2 dB better SNR with a correctly aligned dish.
Very important for HVS-1 services which have a much lower link margin level than BS.
Rain/snow signal attenuation reduces SNR but BS with its higher link margin level is not as badly effected as HVS-1 if the signal attenuation is high.

Best wishes,
John.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In a message dated 08/11/2019 10:46:32 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

now i got the 5927 and what shall I say? Everything is fine, even with the
85cm dish.
I have 11DB s/n and almost no errors or lost of packets.

I am curious how the 120cm dish will improve the whole thing.

Re: Hvs

Thomas Scheelen
 

Hi Ferdinand, 

Thx for the explanation. 

I already filled the form, but i was pretty flashed about all the new stuff in there. 

The HVS on transpoder2 is still a little mystery, because does anybody of the enthusiastic users working with those data? 

First i thought sentinel data offers a eay for much higher resolution and better quality, but i guess those data are only usable for analyzes. I am happy if iam wrong... 😄 

Another new (old) thing i discovered is modis-l1 data. No idea why i never looked deeper into this. The images are quite impressive. 

But which satellite does transmit modis-l1 data? Hopefully it is not an obsolete feature... 

Many questions.... 😄 

@David 

I thank you for the information about the upgrades. How about the other tools which not in the tool packages? 

Kind Regards 
Thomas 

Am 8. November 2019 08:13:38 schrieb "Ferdinand Valk" <fvalk@...>:

Hi Thomas,

 

You do not need to request HVS as such but you must make sure you have requested/selected the items in the EO portal such as Third Party Data Services for Goes East and West, Himawari etc. which are delivered via HVS-1 and the Copernicus entries if you are looking for HVS-2.

 

Cheers,

Ferdinand

 

From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Scheelen
Sent: Thursday, 07 November, 2019 22:01
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: [MSG-1] Hvs

 

I wonder if i need to fill a separate registration request for HVS reception.

 

I already have pid 600 + 601 activ, but no hvs data yet.

 

Regards 

Thomas 


Re: Strange Fading effects

geojohnt@...
 

Hello Thomas,

With a 120 cm dish you 'should' get around 2 dB better SNR with a correctly aligned dish.
Very important for HVS-1 services which have a much lower link margin level than BS.
Rain/snow signal attenuation reduces SNR but BS with its higher link margin level is not as badly effected as HVS-1 if the signal attenuation is high.

Best wishes,
John.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In a message dated 08/11/2019 10:46:32 GMT Standard Time, gm8arv@... writes:

now i got the 5927 and what shall I say? Everything is fine, even with the
85cm dish.
I have 11DB s/n and almost no errors or lost of packets.

I am curious how the 120cm dish will improve the whole thing.

Re: Strange Fading effects

David J Taylor
 

Hi,

now i got the 5927 and what shall I say? Everything is fine, even with the 85cm dish.
I have 11DB s/n and almost no errors or lost of packets.

I am curious how the 120cm dish will improve the whole thing.

As iam still confused about the modcodes and hvs service, i use transponder 1 with all codes enabled

@David
I had almost almost all eumetcast related tools registered some time ago.

Do i need some upgrades and how much will those upgrades cost?

Kind Regards
Thomas
================================

Thomas,

That's excellent news about the receiver.

Yes, your software is over 6 years old, and there have been updates - quite a few of them - to cover many of the new services from EUMETSAT. There are upgrades available:

MSG Toolset Plus upgrade:
https://order.shareit.com/product?vendorid=200278389&productid=300877399

HRPT Toolset Plus upgrade:
https://order.shareit.com/product?vendorid=200278389&productid=300878427

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software for you
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: Hvs

Ferdinand Valk
 

Hi Thomas,

 

You do not need to request HVS as such but you must make sure you have requested/selected the items in the EO portal such as Third Party Data Services for Goes East and West, Himawari etc. which are delivered via HVS-1 and the Copernicus entries if you are looking for HVS-2.

 

Cheers,

Ferdinand

 

From: MSG-1@groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Scheelen
Sent: Thursday, 07 November, 2019 22:01
To: MSG-1@groups.io
Subject: [MSG-1] Hvs

 

I wonder if i need to fill a separate registration request for HVS reception.

 

I already have pid 600 + 601 activ, but no hvs data yet.

 

Regards 

Thomas 

Hvs

Thomas Scheelen
 

I wonder if i need to fill a separate registration request for HVS reception.

I already have pid 600 + 601 activ, but no hvs data yet.

Regards 
Thomas 

Re: Strange Fading effects

Thomas Scheelen
 

Hi, 

now i got the 5927 and what shall I say? Everything is fine, even with the 85cm dish. 
I have 11DB s/n and almost no errors or lost of packets. 

I am curious how the 120cm dish will improve the whole thing. 

As iam still confused about the modcodes and hvs service, i use transponder 1 with all codes enabled

@David 
I had almost almost all eumetcast related tools registered some time ago. 

Do i need some upgrades and how much will those upgrades cost?

Kind Regards 
Thomas 



Am 4. November 2019 09:39:41 schrieb "Thomas Scheelen" <privat@...>:

Good morning, 

first off all i wanna thank you for all the great informations and assistance. You brought me a lot further. 

As recommended by David I ordered an used 5927 which i found for a reasonable price. 
Additional i purchased a new dish with a diameter of 125cm. Hope my Neighbor does not think E.T. has landed.. :-) 

I expect a lot better performance in reception, but also new challenges. 

With the present equipment no improvements seems achievable. 

Greetings 
Thomas 



Am 1. November 2019 15:37:59 schrieb "Ernst Lobsiger" <ernst.lobsiger@...>:

David and Thomas,

The EUMETSAT Setup Guide is for Windows 7 (not XP)

<Cite>
3.6 Running SS2XPFIX
SS2XPFIX is a small console utility created by CrazyCat which is setting one bit in BDA demodulator register.
</Cite>

IIRC this did the trick to enable the use of the STV0903BAC demodulator to receive at least
the BASIC MODCOD of the Transport Stream (TS) without really being fully VCM capable.
Not sure something like that was integrated in later BDADataEx versions (I doubt it).

Cheers,
Ernst


Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Douglas Deans
 

On 06/11/2019 17:24, geojohnt via Groups.Io wrote:
Douglas,
Wait till EUMETSAT are forced to use the E21B backup satellite.
Up there in Scotland, you will be at least 2 dB down on what you are now.

Regards,
John.
==================================================================

It would be a lot more than 2db John as 21° E is a non starter for me at this location.

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

geojohnt@...
 

Douglas,

Wait till EUMETSAT are forced to use the E21B backup satellite.
Up there in Scotland, you will be at least 2 dB down on what you are now.


Regards,
John.



In a message dated 06/11/2019 17:01:32 GMT Standard Time, dsdeans@... writes:

On 06/11/2019 16:07, geojohnt via Groups.Io wrote:

> Hello Stephen,
>
> Thanks for that.
> This confirms my now reduced SNR from the higher level this morning.
>
> Best wishes,
> John.
>
> +++++++++++++++++
>
> In a message dated 06/11/2019 15:32:21 GMT Standard Time,
> stefanomina=yahoo.com@groups.io writes:
>
>    And so true! the back-up connection provides a greater sensitivity
>    than the standard up link.
>    Here in Italy the snr at 15.15 utc and returned promptly as
>    described in UNS Eumetsat, at the previous levels of -0.5db less
>
>    Stephen.


===========================================================================

Will be interesting to see how they can blame Eutelsat for this.
I know 0.5 dB (I am nearer 0.8dB up here) is small but when you are on
the periphery of the signal it makes a huge difference.

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Douglas Deans
 

On 06/11/2019 16:07, geojohnt via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Stephen,
Thanks for that.
This confirms my now reduced SNR from the higher level this morning.
Best wishes,
John.
+++++++++++++++++
In a message dated 06/11/2019 15:32:21 GMT Standard Time, stefanomina=yahoo.com@groups.io writes:
And so true! the back-up connection provides a greater sensitivity
than the standard up link.
Here in Italy the snr at 15.15 utc and returned promptly as
described in UNS Eumetsat, at the previous levels of -0.5db less
Stephen.
===========================================================================

Will be interesting to see how they can blame Eutelsat for this.
I know 0.5 dB (I am nearer 0.8dB up here) is small but when you are on the periphery of the signal it makes a huge difference.

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

geojohnt@...
 

Jan,

You have a real problem with your system.

With a 110 cm dish in your location you should be seeing an SNR of at least 13 + dB.

Regards,
John.

++++++++++++++++++


In a message dated 06/11/2019 12:40:55 GMT Standard Time, cornishman68@... writes:

My signal has been degrading for the last few months

used to get 12.4 DB's on TP1 . Now it's down to 11.2 DB on good days

I am using  110cm Dish

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

geojohnt@...
 

Hello Stephen,

Thanks for that.
This confirms my now reduced SNR from the higher level this morning.

Best wishes,
John.

+++++++++++++++++

In a message dated 06/11/2019 15:32:21 GMT Standard Time, stefanomina@... writes:

And so true! the back-up connection provides a greater sensitivity than the standard up link.
Here in Italy the snr at 15.15 utc and returned promptly as described in UNS Eumetsat, at the previous levels of -0.5db less

Stephen.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

geojohnt@...
 

David and Douglas,

It seems I spoke too soon!
My SNR is now back to normal at 15:50 having just come in.
13.1 dB from the steady high of 13.5/6 dB earlier.

It's become cloudy here now but not rain clouds at the moment.

I reported our increases to Ops and they opened a call.
However, KP is away till the 12th so we probably won't get a reply till then.

Regards,
John

+++++++++++++++++


In a message dated 06/11/2019 13:50:42 GMT Standard Time, dsdeans@... writes:

>
> This must be from the two planned outages the notified.  I guess it's
> from prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.
>
> "EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno
> 5292 in UNS"
>
>   https://uns.eumetsat.int/
>
> Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:
>
>   https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users
>
> (I think you do, Douglas).
>
> Cheers,
> David
======================================================================

I remember seeing the warning of the 2 short outages but did not link it
to the large rise in signal this morning.
This poor signal issue is even more ridiculous if the back up link gives
nearly a dB extra in signal on TP1. However lets wait and see before
drawing conclusions. If it does perhaps the prime and back-up should be
swapped !

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Stefano Mina
 

And so true! the back-up connection provides a greater sensitivity than the standard up link.
Here in Italy the snr at 15.15 utc and returned promptly as described in UNS Eumetsat, at the previous levels of -0.5db less

Stephen.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: MSG-1@groups.io <MSG-1@groups.io> Per conto di Douglas Deans via Groups.Io
Inviato: mercoledì 6 novembre 2019 14:51
A: MSG-1@groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [MSG-1] TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

On 06/11/2019 10:44, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to
0.8 dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal
here has been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune
the dish which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.

Regards,
Douglas.
=============================

This must be from the two planned outages the notified. I guess it's
from prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.

"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption,
anno
5292 in UNS"

https://uns.eumetsat.int/

Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:

https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users

(I think you do, Douglas).

Cheers,
David
======================================================================

I remember seeing the warning of the 2 short outages but did not link it to the large rise in signal this morning.
This poor signal issue is even more ridiculous if the back up link gives nearly a dB extra in signal on TP1. However lets wait and see before drawing conclusions. If it does perhaps the prime and back-up should be swapped !

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: eToken failed to work

Hartmut Schulla
 

Yes!
I use the latest versions, distributed via Eutelsat OTA, of eToken (Safenet) und Tellicast.
Regards
Hartmut

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MSG-1@groups.io [mailto:MSG-1@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Heiko Schellhorn
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2019 13:01
An: MSG-1@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] eToken failed to work

Hi


Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.
Did you update your Tellicast-Software ?
If you use Linux and when the Tellicast client software (version 2.14.5)
is used in combination with the Safenet drivers this may help you.

https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/News/DAT_4451027.html

Best wishes

Heiko
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dipl. Inf. Heiko Schellhorn

University of Bremen Room: NW1-U 2065
Inst. of Environmental Physics Phone: +49(0)421 218 62091
P.O. Box 33 04 40 Fax: +49(0)421 218 62070
D-28334 Bremen Mail: mailto:schell@...
Germany www:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/~schell
http://www.sciamachy.de
http://www.esa-ghg-cci.org

Wer die Wahrheit nicht weiß, der ist bloß ein Dummkopf. Aber wer
sie weiß und sie eine Lüge nennt, der ist ein Verbrecher.
( Berthold Brecht )

Re: eToken failed to work

Heiko Schellhorn
 

Hi


Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.
Did you update your Tellicast-Software ?
If you use Linux and when the Tellicast client software (version 2.14.5) is used in combination with the Safenet drivers this may help you.

https://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/News/DAT_4451027.html

Best wishes

Heiko
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dipl. Inf. Heiko Schellhorn

University of Bremen Room: NW1-U 2065
Inst. of Environmental Physics Phone: +49(0)421 218 62091
P.O. Box 33 04 40 Fax: +49(0)421 218 62070
D-28334 Bremen Mail: mailto:schell@...
Germany www:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/~schell
http://www.sciamachy.de
http://www.esa-ghg-cci.org

Wer die Wahrheit nicht weiß, der ist bloß ein Dummkopf. Aber wer
sie weiß und sie eine Lüge nennt, der ist ein Verbrecher.
( Berthold Brecht )

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Douglas Deans
 

On 06/11/2019 10:44, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8
dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has
been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish
which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.
Regards,
Douglas.
=============================
This must be from the two planned outages the notified.  I guess it's from prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.
"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno 5292 in UNS"
 https://uns.eumetsat.int/
Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:
 https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users
(I think you do, Douglas).
Cheers,
David
======================================================================

I remember seeing the warning of the 2 short outages but did not link it to the large rise in signal this morning.
This poor signal issue is even more ridiculous if the back up link gives nearly a dB extra in signal on TP1. However lets wait and see before drawing conclusions. If it does perhaps the prime and back-up should be swapped !

Regards,
Douglas.

Re: TP 1 SNR this morning - 09:00 + UTC.

Cornish Man
 

Hi

My signal has been degrading for the last few months

used to get 12.4 DB's on TP1 . Now it's down to 11.2 DB on good days

I am using  110cm Dish

Jan

On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 10:44:34 GMT, David J Taylor via Groups.Io <gm8arv@...> wrote:


Yes John I have also seen a good rise in both TP1 and TP2 signal this
morning. Needs to hold for a bit longer to verify exact results (and
during stable weather) but my rise at the moment seems nearer 0.7 to 0.8
dB SNR up here in Scotland. Frankly not before time. The signal here has
been awful for a long time despite my efforts to fine tune the dish
which is at an easy head height. Fingers crossed.

Regards,
Douglas.
=============================

This must be from the two planned outages the notified.  I guess it's  from
prime to backup uplink, and then back again later.

"EUMETCast ground segment maintenance today, risk of interruption, anno 5292
in UNS"

  https://uns.eumetsat.int/

Folks not already following EUMETSAT Users on Twitter are missing out:

  https://twitter.com/eumetsat_users

(I think you do, Douglas).

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - Quality software for you
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv




Re: eToken failed to work

Cornish Man
 

Hi

Had the same thing happened to my eToken,  tried different USB ports with the same results. 
Reinstalled Windows and all the drivers and nothing
I couldn't find out what was wrong with it.

Luckily had a spare etoken to use 



On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 11:50:48 GMT, Thorsten Miglus <thorsten.miglus@...> wrote:


Hi Hartmut,

this is an issue with the USB port. I observed it from time to time. But after installig the newest etoken drive it happend only one time during several months.

Cheers,
Thorsten

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM, Hartmut Schulla wrote:

Hi!

Today in the night etoken stopped to work. This never happened before.

I restarted the service and the monitor without success.

Only a reboot the machine solved the problem:

 

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:eToken transaction timed out.

ERR:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:Critical dongle error (EToken transaction timed out). Restarting child.

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.034:tc-cast-client shutting down... [1876]

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359947002c61d0 ended/interrupted: 1 file missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a4e002c629b ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.035:File transmission 1c359a74002c62bd ended/interrupted: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from announcement channel `TSL-HVS-1', address 224.223.223.223:4711 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.039:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-4', address 224.223.223.12:5013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-2', address 224.223.223.3:7015 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Disconnect from data channel `E1H-TPG-1', address 224.223.223.3:7013 completed (shutdown)

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:Missed parts of file `goes15.2019.310.000017_geo.nc.bz2' id 5dc2155a002c61c7 from channel `E1H-TPG-4'

MSG:2019-11-06 00:40:12.040:File transmission 1c359a5a002c6291 ended: filelist missing/incomplete

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Sending signal to kill old child [1876].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Starting new child...

MSG:2019-11-06 00:41:00.624:Started new child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:No reaction from child: Initiating child restart

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Sending signal to kill old child [7364].

MSG:2019-11-06 00:42:00.626:Starting new child...

 

Very strange!

Regards

Hartmut