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Howdy yall

Kyle Harkins
 

This will be interesting to use. Hope others use it too.


Re: Howdy yall

Rob Zienta
 

I think it will produce better discussion without a lot of distraction. Congratulations to the unit for the MTA awards. Marsh, Mark, and I did a lot of unseen work, except by the judges to prepare documentation for the judges. Marsh deserves a lot of credit for herding the "cats".

I looked at the judges comments and they seem to want to have more interaction with unit members; therefore, we need to ensure that all unit members are knowledgeable about the unit and our impression. Overall, I thought our members did a good job of interaction with the public. The judges came by on Saturday afternoon at about 1:30. I had removed my armor because of the heat and the few of us available were trying to get our second breath. Several of us did speak with the judges, but apparently, they wanted more.  They referenced one of our members sitting by the fire and noted that we needed to have someone watching the fire at all times. Even at that we came away with two second awards; the first for us after 6 years. It was obvious we had a great group.

We may need to have a frank discussion about next year and whether we should continue, or put our efforts elsewhere, as in developing our concept of Roman Times. This is another project that we have been developing for some time and we need to come to a decision as to what we wish to do. It has a great deal of possibilities for combat, public events, etc. Located just north of Washington, D.C., it has a lot of potential. The leader of Legio XIX is willing to participate, as well as the Legio X. Marsh, Mark and I have been working on recruiting Celts. I think Roman Times is worth the effort because there are a number of schools in the area that have expressed interest in a field trip type of event and Roman Days, held in D.C., doesn't appear to be making a comeback.

We've got the location, we've got the time, we've got the interest; now, do we have the will!

Best regards,
Gaius Marius Vorenus (Rob Z)


Congratulations/Roman Times Project

Rob Zienta
 

OK, I replied earlier to Kyle's post. I hit "send to all" on the reply, but don't see it posted. Therefore, I'm reposting some of the contents again. You may get the other posting later, but that's OK too!

Congratulations to the unit for the MTA awards, they are well deserved and it took the work of all to make it happen. Particularly, thanks to Marsh for herding the "cats"; also, the work Mark and I did on preparing the documentation submitted to the judges. We put forth a lot of extra work this year to make it happen, mainly because we didn't want to keep getting phone calls in the middle of the night from Marsh! We have been working to win the awards for six years and this was the year we had a group that did it! Thanks to all of you and your work at the event!

We now move into another phase of our unit's evolution. We will need to make some decisions going forward; do we continue to work with MTA, begin to develop additional opportunities and events (i.e. the Scottish festival);  and/or, begin work to develop our own Roman Times project?

Even with the awards, there is no guarantee that we will be invited back to MTA; that is a reality. The Scottish festival is fun, but difficult for those of us that do not live close enough to participate. Roman Times is something WE, as a unit, control. WE decide who participates and what we do. Our attempt has been to pattern this event after Lafe. For those of you unfamiliar with this event, it takes place in the Midwest annually and is totally Roman/Celt combat.

We identified a site approximately 30 miles north of Washington, D.C. and have been working to develop a concept that would provide much of the same experience as does Lafe. Our proposal is that we occasionally open to the public, like MTA. We would building a Roman encampment with a watchtower and stockade walls. This would allow us to camp and live like Romans for the weekend. In addition, we would also recruit Celts, which would provide opportunity for combat. Friday, would be open to school groups; Saturday and Sunday open to the public. We should discuss if we want public battles.

Why public participation? It will take money to develop what we need and a public entrance fee could allow us to get the funds to do this. Also, opening Friday for school groups could be another source of revenue. We have gotten interests from schools in the area to have us present at schools, which indicates an interest for attendance.
If enough income is generated, we may only need to offer Friday as our only public day and not on Saturday and Sunday.

Another option, would be to open to the public Saturday and Sunday at the beginning and after we've established ourselves, begin to limit public access. I don't have an aversion to public battles, I think it would give us an opportunity to show the tactical side of combat and get a lot of public attention with audiences. Again, this is a point of discussion.

I urge members to look at our Roman Times website for more information. I think this project has a number of benefits for the unit:
  •  Proximity to Washington, D.C. - location.
  •  Interest of local schools in attending.
  •  No competition of anything of this kind in the area.
  •  Development under our control - who participates and who doesn't. Legio XIX and X have expressed interest in this project. If we begin, others may wish to join. We are in the process of recruiting Celts.
  •  The length of the event would be worth the travel to the event. Events would be held twice a year - Fall and Spring.

We have the site, we have the manpower, we have the interest, we have the knowledge; do we have the will? I post this open to discussion.

Best regards,

Gaius Marius Vorenus (Rob Z)


Re: Congratulations/Roman Times Project

Marsh Leg IX Gmail
 

That's because daddy had not approved you yet....


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 13:45 Rob Zienta <rzienta30@...> wrote:
OK, I replied earlier to Kyle's post. I hit "send to all" on the reply, but don't see it posted. Therefore, I'm reposting some of the contents again. You may get the other posting later, but that's OK too!

Congratulations to the unit for the MTA awards, they are well deserved and it took the work of all to make it happen. Particularly, thanks to Marsh for herding the "cats"; also, the work Mark and I did on preparing the documentation submitted to the judges. We put forth a lot of extra work this year to make it happen, mainly because we didn't want to keep getting phone calls in the middle of the night from Marsh! We have been working to win the awards for six years and this was the year we had a group that did it! Thanks to all of you and your work at the event!

We now move into another phase of our unit's evolution. We will need to make some decisions going forward; do we continue to work with MTA, begin to develop additional opportunities and events (i.e. the Scottish festival);  and/or, begin work to develop our own Roman Times project?

Even with the awards, there is no guarantee that we will be invited back to MTA; that is a reality. The Scottish festival is fun, but difficult for those of us that do not live close enough to participate. Roman Times is something WE, as a unit, control. WE decide who participates and what we do. Our attempt has been to pattern this event after Lafe. For those of you unfamiliar with this event, it takes place in the Midwest annually and is totally Roman/Celt combat.

We identified a site approximately 30 miles north of Washington, D.C. and have been working to develop a concept that would provide much of the same experience as does Lafe. Our proposal is that we occasionally open to the public, like MTA. We would building a Roman encampment with a watchtower and stockade walls. This would allow us to camp and live like Romans for the weekend. In addition, we would also recruit Celts, which would provide opportunity for combat. Friday, would be open to school groups; Saturday and Sunday open to the public. We should discuss if we want public battles.

Why public participation? It will take money to develop what we need and a public entrance fee could allow us to get the funds to do this. Also, opening Friday for school groups could be another source of revenue. We have gotten interests from schools in the area to have us present at schools, which indicates an interest for attendance.
If enough income is generated, we may only need to offer Friday as our only public day and not on Saturday and Sunday.

Another option, would be to open to the public Saturday and Sunday at the beginning and after we've established ourselves, begin to limit public access. I don't have an aversion to public battles, I think it would give us an opportunity to show the tactical side of combat and get a lot of public attention with audiences. Again, this is a point of discussion.

I urge members to look at our Roman Times website for more information. I think this project has a number of benefits for the unit:
  •  Proximity to Washington, D.C. - location.
  •  Interest of local schools in attending.
  •  No competition of anything of this kind in the area.
  •  Development under our control - who participates and who doesn't. Legio XIX and X have expressed interest in this project. If we begin, others may wish to join. We are in the process of recruiting Celts.
  •  The length of the event would be worth the travel to the event. Events would be held twice a year - Fall and Spring.

We have the site, we have the manpower, we have the interest, we have the knowledge; do we have the will? I post this open to discussion.

Best regards,

Gaius Marius Vorenus (Rob Z)


MTA thoughts?

Marsh Wise
 

So really... What were your impressions of MTA?

Things we did good.

Things we need to work on.

Things that sucked.

Suggestions.


Re: MTA thoughts?

Marsh Wise
 

So, since no one else is going to, I'll start:

Things we did good.
  • Camp, set up was so-so. Still need more practice and clear instruction.
  • Documentation. Happy with. At least a good start. Now in binders.
  • Interaction with public. Pretty good. Did the "talking points" help?
  • Marching was better. Still hard when we don't get together that much.
Things we need to work on.
  • Perhaps rotating schedules to ensure more people in camp.
  • At MTA at least, make SURE we have people assigned to and attending meetings. We got gigged for missing the safety meeting.
  • Marching.
  • Ground cloths in tents.
  • More tents.
  • Civilian tent (I'm trying to put together a deal for a Whelen-Baker tent for the civilians.
Things that sucked.
  • For me, the incident with the reporter who was looking for a fight. Ugh. Thank the Gods that some of you witnessed it.
  • Their "food". Who ate it this time, besides Jim and Josh? Perhaps next time, we could do meals/food all day? Sal, thoughts? Others?
Suggestions.
  • Maybe assign more stuff to people, as in delegating.
  • We need more Vale/Sudis stakes. Like the ones at the earlier Roman group, but about 5x that many. Mike said it would be easy in his shop. Maybe we could have a work party for that?
Now, how about YOUR thoughts?
Marsh


Re: MTA thoughts?

John Niemiec
 

Wow, what the hell was it w/ that reporter?  I hope he was reported to the event organizers?

J.

On 3/23/2019 2:11 PM, Marsh Wise wrote:
So, since no one else is going to, I'll start:

Things we did good.
  • Camp, set up was so-so. Still need more practice and clear instruction.
  • Documentation. Happy with. At least a good start. Now in binders.
  • Interaction with public. Pretty good. Did the "talking points" help?
  • Marching was better. Still hard when we don't get together that much.
Things we need to work on.
  • Perhaps rotating schedules to ensure more people in camp.
  • At MTA at least, make SURE we have people assigned to and attending meetings. We got gigged for missing the safety meeting.
  • Marching.
  • Ground cloths in tents.
  • More tents.
  • Civilian tent (I'm trying to put together a deal for a Whelen-Baker tent for the civilians.
Things that sucked.
  • For me, the incident with the reporter who was looking for a fight. Ugh. Thank the Gods that some of you witnessed it.
  • Their "food". Who ate it this time, besides Jim and Josh? Perhaps next time, we could do meals/food all day? Sal, thoughts? Others?
Suggestions.
  • Maybe assign more stuff to people, as in delegating.
  • We need more Vale/Sudis stakes. Like the ones at the earlier Roman group, but about 5x that many. Mike said it would be easy in his shop. Maybe we could have a work party for that?
Now, how about YOUR thoughts?
Marsh


New books...

D. M. VARIANvS
 

So, amazon sent me a gift cert for selling books and I got two new-to-me ones. Recommended by Marcus:

Roman Body Armour <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1445608030/?tag=reenactornet>

and

The Gladius: The Roman Short Sword <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1472815858/?tag=reenactornet>

Actually, I got them on Kindle. Maybe I will do that form now on, as I have books coming out the ass.

Best, Marsh

-- 
DECIMvS MERCATIvS VARIANvS
a.k.a.: Marsh Wise

Associated with:
-LEGIO IX HISPANA East Coast <<http://www.legioix.org/>
-Unit blog: <http://www.legioix.org/diarium/>

Websitarius:
-The Romans in Britain website: <http://www.romanobritain.org/>
-Legio IX Hispana <http://www.legioix.org>
-RomanTimes <<http://www.romantimes.org>

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Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt.


Re: New books...

John Niemiec
 

Gonna have to check theses books out myself.

J.

On 3/24/2019 12:50 AM, D. M. VARIANvS wrote:

So, amazon sent me a gift cert for selling books and I got two new-to-me ones. Recommended by Marcus:

Roman Body Armour <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1445608030/?tag=reenactornet>

and

The Gladius: The Roman Short Sword <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1472815858/?tag=reenactornet>

Actually, I got them on Kindle. Maybe I will do that form now on, as I have books coming out the ass.

Best, Marsh

-- 
DECIMvS MERCATIvS VARIANvS
a.k.a.: Marsh Wise

Associated with:
-LEGIO IX HISPANA East Coast <<http://www.legioix.org/>
-Unit blog: <http://www.legioix.org/diarium/>

Websitarius:
-The Romans in Britain website: <http://www.romanobritain.org/>
-Legio IX Hispana <http://www.legioix.org>
-RomanTimes <<http://www.romantimes.org>

Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze

Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze

Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt.


Re: New books...

Marsh Leg IX Gmail
 

I'll report on them. They look promising.


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 10:40 John Niemiec via Groups.Io <ostfrontjohn=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Gonna have to check theses books out myself.

J.

On 3/24/2019 12:50 AM, D. M. VARIANvS wrote:

So, amazon sent me a gift cert for selling books and I got two new-to-me ones. Recommended by Marcus:

Roman Body Armour <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1445608030/?tag=reenactornet>

and

The Gladius: The Roman Short Sword <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1472815858/?tag=reenactornet>

Actually, I got them on Kindle. Maybe I will do that form now on, as I have books coming out the ass.

Best, Marsh

-- 
DECIMvS MERCATIvS VARIANvS
a.k.a.: Marsh Wise

Associated with:
-LEGIO IX HISPANA East Coast <<http://www.legioix.org/>
-Unit blog: <http://www.legioix.org/diarium/>

Websitarius:
-The Romans in Britain website: <http://www.romanobritain.org/>
-Legio IX Hispana <http://www.legioix.org>
-RomanTimes <<http://www.romantimes.org>

Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze

Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze

Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt.


Interesting note on Lorica Segmentata type A from corbridge hoard

Marsh Leg IX Gmail
 

This kind of goes along what we see looking st Marcus's real artifacts in his collection.

>>On examination of the finds at Corbridge and Newcastle, most noticeable were the marked differences between them and lorica reconstructions currently in use by re-enactors. Not only were the bronze tie-loops, hinges and buckles so much more delicate, made from thinner metal, than their modern copies, but also all of the plates appeared to have been deliberately shaped and moulded to the body. This is in marked contrast to the flat plates of the reconstructions, which have been based on the published flat pattern/ illustrations.<<


Re: New books...

John Niemiec
 

Please do Marsh.

J.


On 3/24/2019 11:55 AM, Marsh Leg IX Gmail wrote:
I'll report on them. They look promising.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 10:40 John Niemiec via Groups.Io <ostfrontjohn=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Gonna have to check theses books out myself.

J.

On 3/24/2019 12:50 AM, D. M. VARIANvS wrote:

So, amazon sent me a gift cert for selling books and I got two new-to-me ones. Recommended by Marcus:

Roman Body Armour <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1445608030/?tag=reenactornet>

and

The Gladius: The Roman Short Sword <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1472815858/?tag=reenactornet>

Actually, I got them on Kindle. Maybe I will do that form now on, as I have books coming out the ass.

Best, Marsh

-- 
DECIMvS MERCATIvS VARIANvS
a.k.a.: Marsh Wise

Associated with:
-LEGIO IX HISPANA East Coast <<http://www.legioix.org/>
-Unit blog: <http://www.legioix.org/diarium/>

Websitarius:
-The Romans in Britain website: <http://www.romanobritain.org/>
-Legio IX Hispana <http://www.legioix.org>
-RomanTimes <<http://www.romantimes.org>

Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze

Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze

Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt.


Re: New books...

Marsh Wise
 

The Roman Body Armor book is interesting, but dry. Okay, dry subject, but I'd like more illustrations and pix. Most of us would, except Jackson, who wants it on papyrus in Roman handwriting. :-P

The Gladius: The Roman Short Sword is good. Again, not enough art, but better. Had some info I didn't know. Good book and recommended for one's Roman library.

I think both books are worth getting. Next up will be the Roman Helmets by the Travises and also their other book, Roman Shields. And... of course, Mike Bishop's other newer book The Pilum: The Roman Heavy Javelin. All of this stuff was already recommended by Marcus.


Re: MTA thoughts?

Rob Zienta
 

Marsh,

What happened to my posts?


Re: MTA thoughts?

Rob Zienta
 

OK, I combined by MTA posts with Roman Times Posts. I covered a lot of the same stuff you did about MTA, but also encouraged discussion about our Roman Times project. Again, Roman Times is a great plan "B" if we are not invited to return do to the obnoxious reporter you encountered. If they give you a "fair" hearing; no problem; if they don't, then we need an alternative!


Re: MTA thoughts?

Marsh Leg IX Gmail
 

Here? They're emails. I see them and am assuming everyone else does also


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:14 Rob Zienta <rzienta30@...> wrote:
Marsh,

What happened to my posts?


Thank you.

Rodmen Nelson
 

Thank you.
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Wink


Rob's "missing" emails

Marsh Leg IX Gmail
 

They're there. The problem with gmail is that out strings them all together. I'm not a really big puter user. There has to be s way to not do that.

Anyway, you can also go to the griups.io page and have an account and that will allow you to read the messages, access photos and files and... Post from there.
Marsh

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 11:42 Marsh Leg IX Gmail via Groups.Io <dmvlegix=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here? They're emails. I see them and am assuming everyone else does also

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:14 Rob Zienta <rzienta30@...> wrote:
Marsh,

What happened to my posts?


Re: Thank you.

John Niemiec
 

Awesome.

J.


On 3/25/2019 11:45 AM, Rodmen Nelson via Groups.Io wrote:
Thank you.
Wink


Re: MTA thoughts?

Rob Zienta
 

So, word is that our unit will probably not be invited back to MTA. I am thinking there are two issues; 1) We missed a morning safety meeting - in hind sight, probably would have been a good idea to have had someone attend, as it was held at 8 a.m. Saturday and Sunday morning; 2) The reporter's meltdown with Marsh. They did not care to find out the reasons why, or interview any "witnesses", they reached a decision they chose to make. The fact that Marsh is diagnosed as pre-diabetic and goes bonkers when his blood sugar gets low, seems to be irrelevant; plus, the fact that in spite of that, he did not verbally insult the reporter, but, according to witnesses, simply walked away. According to witnesses, it was the reporter who went bonkers and got agitated and angry. We can try and present our case, but knowing this group, they are unlikely to change their decision. Therefore, we need to begin looking at a calendar of events. One of the big questions is private or public?

I'm in favor of public events, especially if they're paid, which benefits the unit. It cost me a little more than a $1,000 to attend MTA, and the unit got little in return. I'd rather attend something that would at least help build a cash flow to the unit, rather than a "free be". I guess it would depend on the event, starting with how we would be treated! I've chosen never to eat the "free meal" at MTA because of the Bar-B-Q "mystery meat", or no discount at their cafeteria. OK, we're told we represent the museum and, in Marsh's case, are subject to verbal assaults by reporters and/or guests, and when there is a problem, we are quickly thrown to the wind. Not what I call fair. We have been going to MTA for 7 years and followed their rules, but the moment we slip; they kiss us goodbye. I don't think I need "friends like that."

We have choices, sit and whine about it, or look for other venues to either participate in similar events, or put of our own together: i.e. Roman Times. This is doable. We have written proposals for public events at schools, museums, etc. We can do this this!

The other option is to begin putting our efforts toward developing our Roman site just north of D.C. We can start with none public events. We have proposals for that too! We can begin training for combat and getting what we need for it. We use the needlefelt weapon system. Mark can do the training and instruct us how to make and use the needlefelt weapons. We can then recruit Celts, train them as well and hold mock combat. I think this will attract new members for both the Celts and the Romans. We can also set up our tents for camping. Eventually, we can invite the public or schools to visit the site, especially after building a watch post camp sites with a tower, with a trench and walls made of sudae.

We have also talked about setting up a non-profit and could even establish a "go fund me" page for those who would not be interested in re-enacting, but would like to support our cause. I'm just brainstorming here and trying to get everyone thinking about how we can have fun, give us meaningful experiences and grow our unit and the hobby.

It would be great to hear from others with ideas and desires about what you would like to see us accomplish. Don't leave to leadership - help us. This is YOUR unit and we want to involve you in the activities that will give everyone the greatest amount of fun. This unit has a great opportunity to accomplish a lot, or like our historical counterparts, fade into history.