Dookie to KatamatiteTramway


bll_hnks
 

A lot of information is coming out of the woodwork about the Kerang to
Koondrook tramway.

There was another similar shire tramway.

I'm currently reviewing the book Visions of the Victorian Railways by
Gerald Dee. It talks about VR loco No 12 of 1859 being sold to the
Yarrawonga Shire in 1890 for use on the Dookie to Katamatite Tramway and
bought back by the VR in 1893 becoming No 528.

Can anyone enlighten us further about this shire tramway operation?



Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Phil Rickard
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:53 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Koondrook Tramway



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Alf Atkin" <pollux1au@h...> wrote:

Couple more questions:

1. What method of safeworking was used?

2. Was there any intermediate sidings? I know that there were at
least three wayside stations.

3. Did the tramway have its own sidings at Kerang or did it use the
VR sidings?

Alf
I have found a copy of both the 1948 and 1971 Bulletin articles,
together with one from Newsrail Aug 1983. In addition to Frank's
detailed response of the 22nd the following may be of interest:

1. The only signal was a VR Home signal protecting Kerang yard. (The
"one engine in steam" being the norm.)

2. In 1948 or thereabouts, Koondrook Stock Yards had a dead-end,
converted to a loop, at some stage. Gannawarra "seems" to have had a
siding but it had gone, Hinkson's had a loop siding, as did Yeoburn.
On the outskirts of Kerang four private sidings had connections to the
tramway, all being recent additions. It is not stated which
industries they served.

3. At Kerang, the shire trains used the VR yard and station. They had
no yard of their own. Koondrook was the tramway headquarters and any
examination of the line needs to be looked at with Koondrook as the
focus. Traffic came from up and down the river, from over the River
via Barham and was shipped out on the tramway. Kerang was just the
exchange point with the VR.

Re ex VR No.34; ex G&M "Titania" -
Readers may wish to view
http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/railways/image.aspx?ID=878
for a picture of No.34 at the Kerang Waterworks tower in Wellington St
Kerang. The brick water tower (which is still standing) is situated
over one km from the railway, on the west side of town. The Koondrook
tram went to the east of Kerang.
The Bulletin No.132 of Oct 1948 says the loco was used at the
waterworks, presumably for pumping. Can anyone venture how it was
transported from Kerang station, a mile away, to the water tower, and
how long was it used there. Was it only used at the waterworks
following the arrival of "Federal" in 1895? Comments invited.

An interesting article on the Koondrook-Barham bridge may be found on
the John Monash web site at
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aholgate/jm/nonrcbrs/koondrook_maj.html
The role of the tram to carry the materials is covered as Monash was
concerned that it might not be up to the task, and correspondence with
Rattray, the Shire's tramway manager resulted.

The role of the bridge in channeling trade towards Barham and
Koondrook and hence over the tramway is briefly examined.

Koondrook yard. Bulletin 132 has a sketch of the interesting track
layout at Koondrook. Does anyone have a copy of Weston Langford's
sketch that would be in his station diagram book pub by ARHS Vic a few
years back? I'd like to compare the two. (Does anyone have a VR
station diagram of Koondrook - just hoping . . )

cheers Phil


Frank Stamford
 

The Dookie - Katamatite Tramway was built by the Yarrawonga Shire and
opened about the same time as the Koondrook tramway - circa 1889.
However, unlike the Koondrook tramway, it did not remain in Shire
ownership for very long, and was taken over by the VR in December
1892. Hence it did not have time to become eccentric and therefore
very interesting, unlike the Koondrook tramway.

Ex VR loco No.12 was the only loco the Shire owned. It was built as a
2-2-2, but rebuilt by the VR as a 2-4-0 before it came to the
Katamatite tramway.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@r...> wrote:

A lot of information is coming out of the woodwork about the Kerang to
Koondrook tramway.

There was another similar shire tramway.

I'm currently reviewing the book Visions of the Victorian Railways by
Gerald Dee. It talks about VR loco No 12 of 1859 being sold to the
Yarrawonga Shire in 1890 for use on the Dookie to Katamatite Tramway and
bought back by the VR in 1893 becoming No 528.

Can anyone enlighten us further about this shire tramway operation?



Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Phil Rickard
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:53 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Koondrook Tramway



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Alf Atkin" <pollux1au@h...> wrote:

Couple more questions:

1. What method of safeworking was used?

2. Was there any intermediate sidings? I know that there were at
least three wayside stations.

3. Did the tramway have its own sidings at Kerang or did it use the
VR sidings?

Alf
I have found a copy of both the 1948 and 1971 Bulletin articles,
together with one from Newsrail Aug 1983. In addition to Frank's
detailed response of the 22nd the following may be of interest:

1. The only signal was a VR Home signal protecting Kerang yard. (The
"one engine in steam" being the norm.)

2. In 1948 or thereabouts, Koondrook Stock Yards had a dead-end,
converted to a loop, at some stage. Gannawarra "seems" to have had a
siding but it had gone, Hinkson's had a loop siding, as did Yeoburn.
On the outskirts of Kerang four private sidings had connections to the
tramway, all being recent additions. It is not stated which
industries they served.

3. At Kerang, the shire trains used the VR yard and station. They had
no yard of their own. Koondrook was the tramway headquarters and any
examination of the line needs to be looked at with Koondrook as the
focus. Traffic came from up and down the river, from over the River
via Barham and was shipped out on the tramway. Kerang was just the
exchange point with the VR.

Re ex VR No.34; ex G&M "Titania" -
Readers may wish to view
http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/railways/image.aspx?ID=878
for a picture of No.34 at the Kerang Waterworks tower in Wellington St
Kerang. The brick water tower (which is still standing) is situated
over one km from the railway, on the west side of town. The Koondrook
tram went to the east of Kerang.
The Bulletin No.132 of Oct 1948 says the loco was used at the
waterworks, presumably for pumping. Can anyone venture how it was
transported from Kerang station, a mile away, to the water tower, and
how long was it used there. Was it only used at the waterworks
following the arrival of "Federal" in 1895? Comments invited.

An interesting article on the Koondrook-Barham bridge may be found on
the John Monash web site at
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aholgate/jm/nonrcbrs/koondrook_maj.html
The role of the tram to carry the materials is covered as Monash was
concerned that it might not be up to the task, and correspondence with
Rattray, the Shire's tramway manager resulted.

The role of the bridge in channeling trade towards Barham and
Koondrook and hence over the tramway is briefly examined.

Koondrook yard. Bulletin 132 has a sketch of the interesting track
layout at Koondrook. Does anyone have a copy of Weston Langford's
sketch that would be in his station diagram book pub by ARHS Vic a few
years back? I'd like to compare the two. (Does anyone have a VR
station diagram of Koondrook - just hoping . . )

cheers Phil







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bll_hnks
 

Thanks for the info.

Those dates loosely tie in with the bought and sold dates for the loco.

A colleague of mine was saying that the buildings on this line were
different to other VR buildings of the time.

Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 4:53 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Dookie to KatamatiteTramway



The Dookie - Katamatite Tramway was built by the Yarrawonga Shire and
opened about the same time as the Koondrook tramway - circa 1889.
However, unlike the Koondrook tramway, it did not remain in Shire
ownership for very long, and was taken over by the VR in December
1892. Hence it did not have time to become eccentric and therefore
very interesting, unlike the Koondrook tramway.

Ex VR loco No.12 was the only loco the Shire owned. It was built as a
2-2-2, but rebuilt by the VR as a 2-4-0 before it came to the
Katamatite tramway.

Regards,

Frank



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@r...> wrote:

A lot of information is coming out of the woodwork about the Kerang to
Koondrook tramway.

There was another similar shire tramway.

I'm currently reviewing the book Visions of the Victorian Railways by
Gerald Dee. It talks about VR loco No 12 of 1859 being sold to the
Yarrawonga Shire in 1890 for use on the Dookie to Katamatite Tramway
and
bought back by the VR in 1893 becoming No 528.

Can anyone enlighten us further about this shire tramway operation?



Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Phil Rickard
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:53 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Koondrook Tramway



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Alf Atkin" <pollux1au@h...> wrote:

Couple more questions:

1. What method of safeworking was used?

2. Was there any intermediate sidings? I know that there were at
least three wayside stations.

3. Did the tramway have its own sidings at Kerang or did it use the
VR sidings?

Alf
I have found a copy of both the 1948 and 1971 Bulletin articles,
together with one from Newsrail Aug 1983. In addition to Frank's
detailed response of the 22nd the following may be of interest:

1. The only signal was a VR Home signal protecting Kerang yard. (The
"one engine in steam" being the norm.)

2. In 1948 or thereabouts, Koondrook Stock Yards had a dead-end,
converted to a loop, at some stage. Gannawarra "seems" to have had a
siding but it had gone, Hinkson's had a loop siding, as did Yeoburn.
On the outskirts of Kerang four private sidings had connections to the
tramway, all being recent additions. It is not stated which
industries they served.

3. At Kerang, the shire trains used the VR yard and station. They had
no yard of their own. Koondrook was the tramway headquarters and any
examination of the line needs to be looked at with Koondrook as the
focus. Traffic came from up and down the river, from over the River
via Barham and was shipped out on the tramway. Kerang was just the
exchange point with the VR.

Re ex VR No.34; ex G&M "Titania" -
Readers may wish to view
http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/railways/image.aspx?ID=878
for a picture of No.34 at the Kerang Waterworks tower in Wellington St
Kerang. The brick water tower (which is still standing) is situated
over one km from the railway, on the west side of town. The Koondrook
tram went to the east of Kerang.
The Bulletin No.132 of Oct 1948 says the loco was used at the
waterworks, presumably for pumping. Can anyone venture how it was
transported from Kerang station, a mile away, to the water tower, and
how long was it used there. Was it only used at the waterworks
following the arrival of "Federal" in 1895? Comments invited.

An interesting article on the Koondrook-Barham bridge may be found on
the John Monash web site at
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aholgate/jm/nonrcbrs/koondrook_maj.html
The role of the tram to carry the materials is covered as Monash was
concerned that it might not be up to the task, and correspondence with
Rattray, the Shire's tramway manager resulted.

The role of the bridge in channeling trade towards Barham and
Koondrook and hence over the tramway is briefly examined.

Koondrook yard. Bulletin 132 has a sketch of the interesting track
layout at Koondrook. Does anyone have a copy of Weston Langford's
sketch that would be in his station diagram book pub by ARHS Vic a few
years back? I'd like to compare the two. (Does anyone have a VR
station diagram of Koondrook - just hoping . . )

cheers Phil









bll_hnks
 

Not Hobbits, but Bunyips maybe!

________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Brian Rumary
Sent: Friday, 27 October 2006 9:07 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Dookie to KatamatiteTramway



All this talk of The Shire makes me wonder if these tramways were
operated by Hobbits!

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


B.Rumary
 

All this talk of The Shire makes me wonder if these tramways were
operated by Hobbits!

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk