Balls Head


Iain
 

The articles by Ken McCarthy in Trolley Wire are excellent and are highly recommended. Brian Andrews has quite a bit on Balls Head and Catherine Hill Bay in Coal Railways and Mines Vol 2 as they were both owned by the Wallarah company.

 

My understanding is that Balls Head was originally a specialist facility for bunkering ships and the systems installed were based on similar systems for coal bunkering in the USA. It was only later in its career (when there were less steamships) that it was used as an export loader – possibly as late as the 1960s and 1970s. The pier at Balls Head is in very poor condition.

 

I have undertaken extensive inspections of the CHB pier. The original pier was replaced several time the last being in 1975 after it was damaged in a storm. The new modern structure is fairly solid and built in modern materials and connected the large concrete coal bunker directly to the shiploader. The recent fires destroyed the remains of the wooden structure connection to the modern pier which I thought dated to the 1880s although the fabric would have been more recent due to maintenance.

 

It should be noted – more as a point of interest, that the distinction between piers and jetties according to the The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea  is that piers are constructed on piles – hence what we have been calling jetties are in fact piers. An interesting point for pedants.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

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Eddie Oliver
 

On 27/02/2016 10:56, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It should be noted � more as a point of interest, that the distinction between piers and jetties according to the The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea �is that piers are constructed on piles � hence what we have been calling jetties are in fact piers. An interesting point for pedants.

So what are jetties constructed on?

A quick google search using "pier jetty difference" appears to give multiple interpretations.



Eddie Oliver
 


On 27/02/2016 10:56, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It should be noted – more as a point of interest, that the distinction between piers and jetties according to the The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea  is that piers are constructed on piles – hence what we have been calling jetties are in fact piers. An interesting point for pedants

The Oxford Companion may say that, but the Oxford Dictionary gives one meaning of jetty as 'small pier'...  Perhaps the Companion and the Dictionary employ different pedants.

jetty Line breaks: jetty
Pronunciation: /ˈdʒɛti/ 

Definition of jetty in English:

noun (plural jetties)

1A landing stage or small pier at which boats can dock or be moored:Ben jumped ashore and tied the rowboat up to the small wooden jetty
1.1A bridge or staircase used by passengers boarding an aircraft:aircraft will not be connected to passenger jetties during maintenance
1.2A breakwater constructed to protect or defend a harbour, stretch of coast, or riverbank:engineers constructed jetties in the river to control erosion


John Browning
 

Pier / Jetty

 

The distinction given is that found in UK English

 

The usage is quite different in Australian English.

 

John


Noel Reed
 

Hi Eddie,

 

How do we describe a difference between Manly (ferry) Wharf  and the earlier Amusement Pier alongside where people could look into coin operated machines and wind a handle to find out  “What the Butler saw”.  In Britain, there were many very long Amusement Piers. Some of them have even had electric light railways to save patrons a long walk.

 

To further cloud the subject, many of Sydney’s harbour-side ferry wharfs including some which were served by electric light railways are floating pontoons.  Some places where ships are moored are ‘Landing Stages’

 

The original bridge across Hobart’s Derwent River was built on twelve floating pontoons.

 

In Liverpool UK the destination of most of the former tram routes was ’Pier Head’

 

Noel Reed. (Pedant)---Traveller on Route 6A in Liverpool’s ‘Last Tram’ parade which like the last trams in Sydney in 1961 was held on an afternoon in 1957.

By 1957, the once-great Liverpool tramway system had been reduced to just two routes, the 6A to Bowring Park and the 40 to Page Moss Avenue. These routes finally closed in September. All was in a run-down and dilapidated condition, sad to see. Here is a 'Baby Grand' 4-wheel tram on the Bowring Park route.

 

 

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On 27/02/2016 10:56, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] wrote:

It should be noted – more as a point of interest, that the distinction between piers and jetties according to the The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea  is that piers are constructed on piles – hence what we have been calling jetties are in fact piers. An interesting point for pedants


The Oxford Companion may say that, but the Oxford Dictionary gives one meaning of jetty as 'small pier'...  Perhaps the Companion and the Dictionary employ different pedants.

Definition of jetty in English:

noun (plural jetties)

1A landing stage or small pier at which boats can dock or be moored:Ben jumped ashore and tied the rowboat up to the small wooden jetty

MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES

1.1A bridge or staircase used by passengers boarding an aircraft:aircraft will not be connected to passenger jetties during maintenance

MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES

1.2A breakwater constructed to protect or defend a harbour, stretch of coast, or riverbank:engineers constructed jetties in the river to control erosion


Posted by: Eddie Oliver



Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...>
 


It appears our peers are peering at the pier on top of the pier.  No wonder people get confused with English.
 
I always think about a jetty heading out at right angles to the shore and a wharf being parallel to the shore with a pier used for more gentlemanly pursuits like promanading or amusement arcades.
 
The use of the terms jetty, wharf and pier seem to be pretty interchangable with newspaper writers so searching all terms is recommended in resources like Trove.
 
Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia


Eddie Oliver
 

On 28/02/2016 21:41, Greg Stephenson greg.stephenson@... [LRRSA] wrote:

I always think about a jetty heading out at right angles to the shore

which is consistent with the word being derived from the same base as the French word jeter, which means to throw - so the jetty throws away from the shore.

 
The use of the terms jetty, wharf and pier seem to be pretty interchangable with newspaper writers so searching all terms is recommended in resources like Trove.


indeed. I disagree with the message that started this thread, which asserted a 'pedantic' difference (implying non-overlap) between pier and jetty. I suggest that in fact they at least overlap even if they are not completely interchangeable. Something can simultaneously be a pier and a jetty.


Eddie Oliver
 


John Dennis
 

I guess that's American English. I have never heard of any Australian breakwater called either a pier or a jetty.

John

On 28 February 2016 at 22:32, Eddie Oliver eoliver@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


Eddie Oliver
 

On 28/02/2016 22:35, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] wrote:
I guess that's American English. I have never heard of any Australian breakwater called either a pier or a jetty.

I'm not so sure. I think it was quite common when I was young for 'jetty' to be used for rock constructions that jutted out into water and had flat tops that could be walked on. [The word 'jut' may come from the same root as well.] They were arguably mini-breakwaters, so that perhaps there is another line of enquiry as to how big such a structure has to be in order to be called a breakwater.

http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/explore/bays-rivers-and-ports/port-phillip/things-to-do/piers-and-jetties
provides an interesting array of objects variously known as piers and jetties, and breakwaters are also mentioned - perhaps someone could analyse the differences (if any) between those piers and jetties.

I hope that the good residents of Long Jetty on the central coast of NSW are not going to be compelled to change the name to Long Pier.