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Online interactive 3D maps

John Cleverdon
 

Hello all,
A couple of online interactive 3D maps that I've come across in the past month or two, via professional email lists. They are intended for bushfire analysis but have other uses as well. A good Net connection is recommended.

A 3D interactive map with aerial photography - admittedly a few years old - overlaid (https://emsina.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer3d/index.html?id=e84e9bae3a8d48a282576df6d75cb00c). To rotate or change the angle of this map, use the 'Navigate' button (the bottom of the buttons at top left).  The street network isn't up-to-date either.

A similar map at: https://nasa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer3d/index.html?id=21d4a14aa44e46f4ab4f3dcbfbbe5045
It's main aim relates to the recent large bushfires in NSW.
However, turn off the maps on the 'Layer List' (third button from right, top right of map) and you have a useful online interactive 3D map of Australia (a bit like the 'Memory Map' software).
With the 'Basemap Gallery' (fourth button from right, top right of map) you can choose what type of map you want as the base, draped over the digital terrain model.
To rotate the map or change the angle, use the ‘Navigate’ button; the bottom of the 5 buttons at the top-left of the map.

Regards,
John
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John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria, Australia
John's web page: https://johncleverdon.neocities.org/
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-cleverdon/a/a81/2b

Re: Database(s)

alarchaeologist
 

Thanks Bob and David.  Would be interested in seeing what a web database looks like.  Have only previous seen web versions of Excel sheets.

alister

Re: Database(s)

David Halfpenny
 

Bob,

I’m pleased you specifically intend that, because the word ‘database’ means different things to different people :-)

David 1/2d

On 11 Feb 2020, at 09:11, Bob Backway <bob_backway@...> wrote:

Yep, this is a good example of what can be done. However (and not criticising your excellent effort) I hope to have it as a web based tool rather than a file.

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Re: Database(s)

Bob Backway
 

Yep, this is a good example of what can be done. However (and not criticising your excellent effort) I hope to have it as a web based tool rather than a file.

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Re: Database(s)

alarchaeologist
 

Thanks for your comments, Bob.  Your database of people with areas of interest sounds great.  I, for one, am specializing in tracking down railways of all kinds in the Ipswich area; with particular emphasis on tracing where lines used to run and mapping them via GIS

With respect to a database of lines I put together one for Queensland a few years ago; again for all types of railways.  This is less accurate and up-to-date the further you are away from the south-east corner of Qld.  I have attached a sample of the greater Ipswich region plus original notes.  If the database can be any use to the LRRSA please let me know.

Alister Cameron  Thagoona Qld.

Database(s)

Bob Backway
 

RE: Research Register - Editorial (LR269) and Letters (LR271)

Databases are very powerful tools used in management and research, look at what Genealogists have done with them! I'm surprised that the LRRSA has not utilised them already. I would like to make the following comments:

1.The database(s) should be owned by the Society thus they can only be on the Society's web site. Facebook and Groups.io use of any data is beyond the control of the Society.

2. Furthermore it should be located in a "members only" section of the web site to be entered via member number and password only.This adds a group privacy element and also gives members privileges that may encourage new members.

3. I would prefer the register to be a "Register of Interest" rather than a "Register of Research" then internally in the database the "degree of interest" can be listed. For example I have interests in many diverse areas of our "hobby" and may not have the time to conduct formal research. However if I see that a member is heavily involved with a topic that I may have a snippet of information or perhaps an old/recent image I can contact that member. Similarly that member can contact me if I'm listed as "Interested" in that topic.

4. It would be good to set it up so a member can add/edit their own interests, thus reducing overheads and improving relevance.

5. Some time ago I suggested another type of database via the Yahoo Group and had little response. I believe the society would also benefit from a "Light Railway" database. Fields obviously would include gauge/industry but most importantly the GPS location. In this way the data can be used with Google Earth or in my case the navigation software that I have in my truck to show me points of interest as I travel around the country.

6. I have had considerable experience with databases but that was 20 years ago. I can however offer advice and I have a son who is in the modern day database industry whom I could prevail on for advice. Perhaps a "database committee" should be formed?


Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Melaleuca Station, Chinderah NSW

Petan
 

Chasing the eventual fate of the two Melbourne suburban carriages ex Melaleuca Station, Chinderah, Tweed River NSW. My interest is more on the 610mm gauge Melaleuca Station tourist tramway but I want to tie up the fate of the 1600 mm carriages, for completeness for my LR articles, as it is within my Tweed tramway research area.

 

Railpage reported in 2007 Yarra Valley Railway took possession of Tait 1364M in March 2007 following the closure of Melaleuca Station, a short lived steam hauled tourist tramway. These days it is the Melaleuca Station Memorial Gardens and Crematorium https://melaleucastation.com.au/

 

Melaleuca Station had two similar Melbourne suburban electric carriages, so does anyone know where the second ex Melbourne suburban carriage ended up after the sale of Melaleuca Station? These Melbourne 1600mm gauge carriages were used as café type stationary vehicles. The actual train was 610mm gauge using ex Marian Sugar Mill 0-6-2T Perry Serial No.298 Works Job No.2601.51.1 hauling two bogie carriages. Regular reports appear in LR regarding the Perry’s restoration at Bennett Brook Railway, Whiteman Park Western Australia.

 

Not sure where the 610mm gauge bogie carriages ended up, so grateful for any help there.

 

I have tracked the Perry’s history via Light Railway News of No.100 June 1994, quoting David Mewes May/94 and Tony Germanotta May/94, which notes Tony Germanotta has disposed of Perry 0-6-2T 2601.1.51 of 1951 and two bogie carriages to Melaleuca Station, with delivery in January 1994. http://lrrsa.org.au/Lrn100.htm  

 

Also http://www.mackayhistory.org/research/sugar_cane_trains/063_steam_1951_Perry.html

 

I have the site history via https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-277565938/from-tourist-attraction-to-a-crematorium

 

The site is just south of where the 2002 opened Pacific Motorway M1 leaves the Tweed Valley Way, the old Pacific Highway. There is a motorway service centre (fuel /food etc) on the northbound side of the motorway just to the north of the Melaleuca Station crematorium. The track layout is visible on Google Earth’s 2003 historical imagery, with large loops north and south of the main building, linked by lines to the east of the main building. It measures as 1.2 km using Google Earth’s distance measuring tool.

 

Thanks

Peter Cokley

(Gold Coast)

www.petan.net

 

Light Railways 271 is in the mail

John Dennis
 

A larger than normal team of workers completed the packing of Light Railways 271 into envelopes last night in double quick time, so as a reward supper, complete with four excellent cheeses, was on the table earlier than normal. The envelopes have been entrusted into Australia Posts's hands, and are on their way to members mailboxes. The two feature articles are another instalment from Ian McNeil's Dorrigo Plateau research, and an article from Mark Langdon describing the interesting history of the Woomera spur.

If you are not a member, check out your local newsagent or it will be available to order online from lrrsa.org.au later today.

  

John Dennis
LRRSA

Re-scheduled S-E Queensland Group tour to CABARLAH and HAMPTON Tramways - 7 March 2020

Phil Rickard
 

Happy New Year to all group members,

Please find attached a brochure with details for the re-scheduled S-E Queensland Group tour to CABARLAH and HAMPTON tramways.
Originally programmed for last November, it was interrupted by bushfires and is now scheduled for Saturday 7 March.

cheers    Phil

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Bob Backway
 

Thanks for the link Phil. None of the equipment in the library images matches what I saw/photographed on the island. The volcano has had a few goes at destroying remains and the sulphurous air has rusted even the largest cast wheels/gears!

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Re: groups.io Group and Facebook Group (was White Island Volcano New Zealand)

David Halfpenny
 


On 18 Dec 2019, at 01:00, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

This message is in response to Bob's comment: "It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!” 

Bob is right, but sadly that ship has sailed.
At least FB Groups have a basic Search.

Which means Frank’s measured response is necessarily where we’re at.

Both the Facebook Group and the groups.io group are best suited for casual discussion, seeking information, and showing interesting pictures. "Light Railways" magazine is the best place for serious articles, but the Facebook and groups.io group can often assist in the development of such articles. The way groups.io and Facebook Groups work are very different, and cross posting is best left to the individual contributors if they think it is worth while.


David 1/2d

Re: groups.io Group and Facebook Group (was White Island Volcano New Zealand)

Frank Stamford
 

This message is in response to Bob's comment: "It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!" 

Both the Facebook Group and the groups.io group are best suited for casual discussion, seeking information, and showing interesting pictures. "Light Railways" magazine is the best place for serious articles, but the Facebook and groups.io group can often assist in the development of such articles. The way groups.io and Facebook Groups work are very different, and cross posting is best left to the individual contributors if they think it is worth while.
The groups,io group was established 13 years ago and now has 355 members. It is now pretty quiet. On the other hand, the Light Railways of Australia Facebook Group was established only two years ago and now has 1451 members. It has been of great value to the LRRSA in gaining new members of the Society, and making its activities more well known.

 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Phil Rickard
 

If you go to https://natlib.govt.nz/collections#  and in the search box put  "Sulphur mines and mining" [include the inverted commas!]
you'll find a couple of online pics with side-tipping trucks, one being filled and one being pushed into the works.
Also the descriptions of several others not online and the magic words  railway lines.

cheers  Phil Rickard

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Bob Backway
 


Just been through the many images I took in 2013. Some have rail lying around. There's an image of rail used to edge a contemporary walkway along what was once a loading ramp. A very rusty length of what may be Barlow rail and a axle - diff set of about 3' guage with hard rubber tyres on about 2' diameter solid wheels. However no remaining track in situ - not unexpected in view of the volcanic activity that closed the mine!

It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Hunslet
 

Photo attachment worked.

Hunslet

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Stratton
Sent: Monday, 16 December 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I visited White Island in 2013 and have photos of the building and machinery remains, I don't recall any tramway remains but didn't know there had been tramways so wasn't looking for them.

Regards,
Chris



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There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard

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Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Tony Coen
 

 
There is a little bit of movie film.
 
    Cheers, Tony Coen.
 

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand
 
A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

John Browning
 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John