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Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Frank Stamford
 

"Rails to Rubicon: A history of the Rubicon Forest" (second edition) by Peter Evans, has just arrived from the printer. I can now confirm that the reproduction of the photographs is greatly improved - and the quality of the paper is better (the book weighs 12% more than the first edition although it has the same number of pages).

The pre-publication price of $39.60 ($29.70 for LRRSA members) is available until 31 October; after which the price will be $49.50 ($37.10 to LRRSA members).

More information can be found on a previous post on this page, and orders can be placed on the LRRSA Online Shop:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon…

 
 

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

John Browning
 

Search your computer and see if you can find a folder named kerrs_qld_history_database
If you can find it, then that is where you should find the extracted files.
John

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

David in Avenel
 

Well it downloaded fine for me and I extracted it to .... somewhere but not obvious.   Now according to the instructions I need to install DBSearch (supplied) which I did and then the insts to explore the data base are given but try as I might I could not find anything.  In the past I re call that the NSW Track & Signal Diagrams used this search engine and at that time I found it to be treble dutch and confusing, consequently DVD of diagrams chucked in drawer and forgotten.

What a thoroughly confusing situation.

--

cheers and best wishes,
David in Avenel.au
[Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.]



Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

David Halfpenny
 

Greg,

40 years ago I put a million pounds worth of Computer Aided Design into the Traction & Rolling Stock Division of the British Railways Board.
I scarcely need say that I’d now struggle to find similar kit dead in a museum, let alone up and running to read those old drawings.

Anticipating your email even back then, I insisted that the CAD drawings were Microfilmed and Archived on 35mm IBM silver-based ‘aperture cards’, in exactly the same way as Inked drawings were.
I then set about cataloguing them all on a massive database.

These days, when I pop into my old office to buy prints of Works Drawings, the CAD computer room has long been stripped-out. But the lads at screens still have the Aperture Cards and, as they still have the Database, they can find and scan those drawings onto PDFs and paper plots.
The digital nature of the ‘model’ has been lost, but at least Something has Survived, and luckily no worse than that from the previous reign of Tracing Linen and India Ink.

That isn’t a complete answer - it only works for computer-created Drawings, but not for the kind of digital data that goes direct to Manufacturing without a Paper Print.
Frankly, many aspects of the second half of the 20thC have been archived in far less detail than the second half of the 19thC. Once the colour snaps have faded, even family holidays will be less documented.

David 1/2d
 
On 12 Oct 2019, at 00:28, Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...> wrote:

G’day all

These comments do raise the question to me of how will researchers of the future deal with records from the current era where many records are kept electronically.

I know I’ve never been that rigorous in how I store my digital images compared to my slides. It strikes me that every time a program is upgraded or current technology changes things get lost. Who can read a floppy disc now and I had to get an external DVD reader for my work computer.

I remember a comment about oral histories of engineers being recorded and someone asked are we archiving a machine to be able access the recording when technology changes.  

At least I can read 100 year old printed books - only problem is when they are in a language I don’t understand! Maybe the modern equivalent is incompatible software languages! 🙄

One at least hopes that Government Archives at least have some rigour in record keeping and commit to keeping the data available and compatible with the future technology.

Regards

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

Get Outlook for iOS

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io <rjt_46@...>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:20:02 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] John Kerr's QLD notes
 
G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

Greg Stephenson
 

G’day all

These comments do raise the question to me of how will researchers of the future deal with records from the current era where many records are kept electronically.

I know I’ve never been that rigorous in how I store my digital images compared to my slides. It strikes me that every time a program is upgraded or current technology changes things get lost. Who can read a floppy disc now and I had to get an external DVD reader for my work computer.

I remember a comment about oral histories of engineers being recorded and someone asked are we archiving a machine to be able access the recording when technology changes.  

At least I can read 100 year old printed books - only problem is when they are in a language I don’t understand! Maybe the modern equivalent is incompatible software languages! 🙄

One at least hopes that Government Archives at least have some rigour in record keeping and commit to keeping the data available and compatible with the future technology.

Regards

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

Get Outlook for iOS


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io <rjt_46@...>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:20:02 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] John Kerr's QLD notes
 
G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

Chris Stratton
 

You still need a valid copy of Windows to install with VirtualBox

Regards,
CS



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G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

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Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

Bob Thornton
 

G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

David Halfpenny
 

Bum!

I’ve downloaded it anyway, and will see if I can find a discarded laptop in my kids’ sty.

Another Warning: While the compressed file is only 254Mb, it unzips to a total of 1.21Gb.

David 1/2d

On 10 Oct 2019, at 02:07, A C Lynn Zelmer <lynn@...> wrote:

Unfortunately the data is only accessible using a Windows-based computer.
   :-(
Ciao, Lynn

On 9/10/19 9:38 am, Petan wrote:

Warning; following is around 254MB file size so huge, so download when you have cheaper internet rates. John Kerr’s database of QLD rail transport, including industrial tramways, up to his 2003 death, is on the public internet through Fryer Library at The University of Queensland. The other online version at the State Library QLD is only up to about the 1970s. This has been on that public site for a few months now.

https://researchdata.ands.org.au/john-douglas-kerr-history-database/1326079?source=suggested_datasets

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 
 


-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

Unfortunately the data is only accessible using a Windows-based computer.
   :-(
Ciao, Lynn

On 9/10/19 9:38 am, Petan wrote:

Warning; following is around 254MB file size so huge, so download when you have cheaper internet rates. John Kerr’s database of QLD rail transport, including industrial tramways, up to his 2003 death, is on the public internet through Fryer Library at The University of Queensland. The other online version at the State Library QLD is only up to about the 1970s. This has been on that public site for a few months now.

https://researchdata.ands.org.au/john-douglas-kerr-history-database/1326079?source=suggested_datasets

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

 


-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA

John Kerr's QLD notes

Petan
 

Warning; following is around 254MB file size so huge, so download when you have cheaper internet rates. John Kerr’s database of QLD rail transport, including industrial tramways, up to his 2003 death, is on the public internet through Fryer Library at The University of Queensland. The other online version at the State Library QLD is only up to about the 1970s. This has been on that public site for a few months now.

https://researchdata.ands.org.au/john-douglas-kerr-history-database/1326079?source=suggested_datasets

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

 

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Grant Maloney
 

Hi
all good and ordered. thanks again
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:31 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 

Hello Grant,

You probably came into the Online Shop without seeing the front page, which has a paragraph on member's discounts:


When you place your first order you will be charged the normal price. We will then give you a credit on your credit card to allow the discount. All subsequent orders will be automatically priced with the LRRSA members’ discounts applied. 


So you will get the discount, as a credit on your credit card account. And for any future orders you place you will automatically get the discount. The problem is the online shop does not know that you are a member at the time of your first order, we have to tell it you are a member!

Regards,
Frank


On 3/10/2019 9:07 am, Grant Maloney wrote:
Hi John,
I think I have worked it out.
I am just wondering how I get the member price for the item?
It is sitting in my cart at the non member price.
I think the pre release amount should be $29.70 for members.
Any guidance would be appreciated and thanks for your help .

Regards 
Grant

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:59 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Grant,

I have sent you an email from the lrrsa.sales account - at the second attempt. Please let me know if you haven't received it.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:41, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
Thanks,
how do we do it?


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant



Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Frank Stamford
 


Hello Grant,

You probably came into the Online Shop without seeing the front page, which has a paragraph on member's discounts:


When you place your first order you will be charged the normal price. We will then give you a credit on your credit card to allow the discount. All subsequent orders will be automatically priced with the LRRSA members’ discounts applied. 


So you will get the discount, as a credit on your credit card account. And for any future orders you place you will automatically get the discount. The problem is the online shop does not know that you are a member at the time of your first order, we have to tell it you are a member!

Regards,
Frank


On 3/10/2019 9:07 am, Grant Maloney wrote:
Hi John,
I think I have worked it out.
I am just wondering how I get the member price for the item?
It is sitting in my cart at the non member price.
I think the pre release amount should be $29.70 for members.
Any guidance would be appreciated and thanks for your help .

Regards 
Grant

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:59 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Grant,

I have sent you an email from the lrrsa.sales account - at the second attempt. Please let me know if you haven't received it.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:41, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
Thanks,
how do we do it?


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant



Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Grant Maloney
 

Hi John,
I think I have worked it out.
I am just wondering how I get the member price for the item?
It is sitting in my cart at the non member price.
I think the pre release amount should be $29.70 for members.
Any guidance would be appreciated and thanks for your help .

Regards 
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:59 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Grant,

I have sent you an email from the lrrsa.sales account - at the second attempt. Please let me know if you haven't received it.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:41, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
Thanks,
how do we do it?


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:12 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Pre-publication orders for the second edition of the book "Rails to Rubicon" by Peter Evans, are now being taken. The pre-publication price is $39.60 ($29.70 to LRRSA members). This special price will apply until 31 October this year.

After that the normal price will be $49.50; ($37.13 to LRRSA members).

The book has 200 pages, a hard cover, and over 240 illustrations. It is a comprehensive history of the 2 ft, 3 ft and 3 ft 4-1/2 inch gauge tramways of Victoria's Rubicon Forest, and the connecting tramway to Alexandra.
The book is expected to be available by the end of November.

Orders may be placed here:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon
 

Here are a few sample pages.
Please feel free to share this with others!

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

John Dennis
 

Grant,

I have sent you an email from the lrrsa.sales account - at the second attempt. Please let me know if you haven't received it.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:41, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
Thanks,
how do we do it?


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:12 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Pre-publication orders for the second edition of the book "Rails to Rubicon" by Peter Evans, are now being taken. The pre-publication price is $39.60 ($29.70 to LRRSA members). This special price will apply until 31 October this year.

After that the normal price will be $49.50; ($37.13 to LRRSA members).

The book has 200 pages, a hard cover, and over 240 illustrations. It is a comprehensive history of the 2 ft, 3 ft and 3 ft 4-1/2 inch gauge tramways of Victoria's Rubicon Forest, and the connecting tramway to Alexandra.
The book is expected to be available by the end of November.

Orders may be placed here:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon
 

Here are a few sample pages.
Please feel free to share this with others!

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Grant Maloney
 

Thanks,
how do we do it?


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of John Dennis <jdennis412@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:12 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Pre-publication orders for the second edition of the book "Rails to Rubicon" by Peter Evans, are now being taken. The pre-publication price is $39.60 ($29.70 to LRRSA members). This special price will apply until 31 October this year.

After that the normal price will be $49.50; ($37.13 to LRRSA members).

The book has 200 pages, a hard cover, and over 240 illustrations. It is a comprehensive history of the 2 ft, 3 ft and 3 ft 4-1/2 inch gauge tramways of Victoria's Rubicon Forest, and the connecting tramway to Alexandra.
The book is expected to be available by the end of November.

Orders may be placed here:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon
 

Here are a few sample pages.
Please feel free to share this with others!

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

John Dennis
 

I will help Grant offline.

John

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:19, Grant Maloney <Oldcamera12@...> wrote:
hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:12 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Pre-publication orders for the second edition of the book "Rails to Rubicon" by Peter Evans, are now being taken. The pre-publication price is $39.60 ($29.70 to LRRSA members). This special price will apply until 31 October this year.

After that the normal price will be $49.50; ($37.13 to LRRSA members).

The book has 200 pages, a hard cover, and over 240 illustrations. It is a comprehensive history of the 2 ft, 3 ft and 3 ft 4-1/2 inch gauge tramways of Victoria's Rubicon Forest, and the connecting tramway to Alexandra.
The book is expected to be available by the end of November.

Orders may be placed here:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon
 

Here are a few sample pages.
Please feel free to share this with others!

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Grant Maloney
 

hi,
am attempting to buy this item.
have registered but no go.
I am member,
How do I buy the product?
It seems I am not authorised??
Thanks for your help
Grant


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:12 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: [LRRSA] Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer
 
Pre-publication orders for the second edition of the book "Rails to Rubicon" by Peter Evans, are now being taken. The pre-publication price is $39.60 ($29.70 to LRRSA members). This special price will apply until 31 October this year.

After that the normal price will be $49.50; ($37.13 to LRRSA members).

The book has 200 pages, a hard cover, and over 240 illustrations. It is a comprehensive history of the 2 ft, 3 ft and 3 ft 4-1/2 inch gauge tramways of Victoria's Rubicon Forest, and the connecting tramway to Alexandra.
The book is expected to be available by the end of November.

Orders may be placed here:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon
 

Here are a few sample pages.
Please feel free to share this with others!

Rails to Rubicon - differences between first and second edition

Frank Stamford
 

This message is in response to queries about the differences between the first (1994) and second (2019) edition of this book.
If you have a first edition then the decision to invest in the second edition really depends on how much value you put on the illustrations. The text of the original edition was extremely well researched and has stood the test of time. There are hardly any changes to the original text. However the new edition takes advantage of advances in printing technology and computer software to recover information hidden in old photographs. Judging by what I have seen in the printer's proofs the photographs will be much improved. The maps also now have the waterways in blue, and the locomotive and rolling stock drawings show the original colours of the equipment. The graphs are also now in colour. There are also a few extra photographs, and a few of the (relatively recent) original photographs have been replaced with colour versions. The overall quality of the book will be similar to other recent LRRSA books, like "Engaging the Giants", and "The McIvor Timber & Firewood Company".

Re: Light Railways 269

David Halfpenny
 

Frank,

I’d much rather have a printed copy - indeed I used to get them - but the Postage persuaded me otherwise . . . 
[It’s amazing what I can buy airmail from China for less than the price of a British stamp!]

While I’m writing, Frank, what are the changes in the second edition of Rails to Rubicon, please?

David 1/2d




On 2 Oct 2019, at 00:15, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:


David did not have to rely on a miserably slow 1000 km/h aeroplane to get his copy. He is a pdf subscriber.

At this time I am not sure that any of the printed issues will have arrived.

Regards,
Frank

On 2/10/2019 9:10 am, Hunslet wrote:
Unless David’s is posted earlier, it is strange how the magazine can reach the UK from Melbourne, yet I am still waiting for it in Junee – slightly closer!
Peter Neve OAM
 
From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of David Halfpenny via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:25 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light Railways 269
 
Thank, John - got it now.
 
Cracking good read, as ever :-)
 
David



Re: Light Railways 269

Frank Stamford
 


David did not have to rely on a miserably slow 1000 km/h aeroplane to get his copy. He is a pdf subscriber.

At this time I am not sure that any of the printed issues will have arrived.

Regards,
Frank

On 2/10/2019 9:10 am, Hunslet wrote:

Unless David’s is posted earlier, it is strange how the magazine can reach the UK from Melbourne, yet I am still waiting for it in Junee – slightly closer!

Peter Neve OAM

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of David Halfpenny via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:25 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light Railways 269

 

Thank, John - got it now.

 

Cracking good read, as ever :-)

 

David