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Re: Australia's Colourful American Locomotives - a proposed new LRRSA book.

John Dennis
 

The Adelaide steam motor is mentioned in Bruce Macdonald's book: Baldwin 4343 of 1878. As Richard says, described as "painted canary yellow". 

John

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 23:40, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:
Hello Richard,

It will include the Sydney Baldwin steam tram motors, and the Bendigo and Belmont Shire (Brisbane) steam tram motors. 

It does not include the Adelaide one because that was unknown to the author (and to me). Do you have any more information about it?

Regards,
Frank


On 31 Oct 2019, at 10:26 pm, rthorne475 via Groups.Io <rthorne475@...> wrote:

Will it include the Baldwin built Sydney steam trams and the single Adelaide one?  The latter was painted canary yellow.

Richard Horne

On Thursday, 31 October 2019, 10:14:17 GMT, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:


Hello all,
The LRRSA is proposing to publish a book titled "Australia's Colourful American Locomotives" by David Fletcher. The book is sub-titled "Their art and architecture 1870-1920". The book describes how architecture influenced the design and liveries of American locomotives in the nineteenth century, and includes about seventy detailed scale drawings showing the liveries of the locomotives, as delivered to Australia, in full colour.
All known types of American locomotive delivered new to Australia from 1870 to 1920 are included, except Shay and Climax geared locomotives.
The book will be in landscape format, with about 160 A3 size pages (420 x 297 mm). As this will be an expensive project the LRRSA is seeking expressions of interest from those likely to purchase a copy. The pre-publication price will probably be about $95, and the print run may be limited to the number of expressions of interest received.
You can register your interest by going to the LRRSA website: www.lrrsa.org.au
You can see a preview video about the book here: https://youtu.be/uU2dpTfhVMc

Frank Stamford (LRRSA Publications Officer)

 

 

Re: Australia's Colourful American Locomotives - a proposed new LRRSA book.

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Richard,

It will include the Sydney Baldwin steam tram motors, and the Bendigo and Belmont Shire (Brisbane) steam tram motors. 

It does not include the Adelaide one because that was unknown to the author (and to me). Do you have any more information about it?

Regards,
Frank


On 31 Oct 2019, at 10:26 pm, rthorne475 via Groups.Io <rthorne475@...> wrote:

Will it include the Baldwin built Sydney steam trams and the single Adelaide one?  The latter was painted canary yellow.

Richard Horne

On Thursday, 31 October 2019, 10:14:17 GMT, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:


Hello all,
The LRRSA is proposing to publish a book titled "Australia's Colourful American Locomotives" by David Fletcher. The book is sub-titled "Their art and architecture 1870-1920". The book describes how architecture influenced the design and liveries of American locomotives in the nineteenth century, and includes about seventy detailed scale drawings showing the liveries of the locomotives, as delivered to Australia, in full colour.
All known types of American locomotive delivered new to Australia from 1870 to 1920 are included, except Shay and Climax geared locomotives.
The book will be in landscape format, with about 160 A3 size pages (420 x 297 mm). As this will be an expensive project the LRRSA is seeking expressions of interest from those likely to purchase a copy. The pre-publication price will probably be about $95, and the print run may be limited to the number of expressions of interest received.
You can register your interest by going to the LRRSA website: www.lrrsa.org.au
You can see a preview video about the book here: https://youtu.be/uU2dpTfhVMc

Frank Stamford (LRRSA Publications Officer)

 

 

Re: Australia's Colourful American Locomotives - a proposed new LRRSA book.

rthorne475
 

Will it include the Baldwin built Sydney steam trams and the single Adelaide one?  The latter was painted canary yellow.

Richard Horne

On Thursday, 31 October 2019, 10:14:17 GMT, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:


Hello all,
The LRRSA is proposing to publish a book titled "Australia's Colourful American Locomotives" by David Fletcher. The book is sub-titled "Their art and architecture 1870-1920". The book describes how architecture influenced the design and liveries of American locomotives in the nineteenth century, and includes about seventy detailed scale drawings showing the liveries of the locomotives, as delivered to Australia, in full colour.
All known types of American locomotive delivered new to Australia from 1870 to 1920 are included, except Shay and Climax geared locomotives.
The book will be in landscape format, with about 160 A3 size pages (420 x 297 mm). As this will be an expensive project the LRRSA is seeking expressions of interest from those likely to purchase a copy. The pre-publication price will probably be about $95, and the print run may be limited to the number of expressions of interest received.
You can register your interest by going to the LRRSA website: www.lrrsa.org.au
You can see a preview video about the book here: https://youtu.be/uU2dpTfhVMc

Frank Stamford (LRRSA Publications Officer)

 

 

Australia's Colourful American Locomotives - a proposed new LRRSA book.

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,
The LRRSA is proposing to publish a book titled "Australia's Colourful American Locomotives" by David Fletcher. The book is sub-titled "Their art and architecture 1870-1920". The book describes how architecture influenced the design and liveries of American locomotives in the nineteenth century, and includes about seventy detailed scale drawings showing the liveries of the locomotives, as delivered to Australia, in full colour.
All known types of American locomotive delivered new to Australia from 1870 to 1920 are included, except Shay and Climax geared locomotives.
The book will be in landscape format, with about 160 A3 size pages (420 x 297 mm). As this will be an expensive project the LRRSA is seeking expressions of interest from those likely to purchase a copy. The pre-publication price will probably be about $95, and the print run may be limited to the number of expressions of interest received.
You can register your interest by going to the LRRSA website: www.lrrsa.org.au
You can see a preview video about the book here: https://youtu.be/uU2dpTfhVMc

Frank Stamford (LRRSA Publications Officer)

 

LIGHT RAILWAY RESEARCH SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA INC. South East Queensland Group CABARLAH and HAMPTON TRAMWAYS outing

Mark Linnett
 

A field outing to visit the Cabarlah and Hampton tramways has been planned for November 16 2019.

 

The Munro Tramway Historical Group has been doing a lot of field work locating Munro’s tramway formation and liaising with the Toowoomba Regional Council for the display of Shay locomotive SN906 and erection of information boards on sections of the formation.

 

They have located the end of the tramway at Bunkers Hill. The tramway was known to end in the area but the actual physical location was probably known only to a few elderly locals. Quite a few tramway artefacts are scattered about the area.

 

Before constructing the Hampton tramway, Munro’s had constructed a short tramway at Cabarlah.

This tramway seems to be little known and somewhat forgotten. An article in Light Railways No.264 gives an account its discovery.

 

The outing will first visit the Cabarlah tramway. There will be a walk of a few hundred meters from the bus to the start of the tramway then a short bush walk along the formation.

 

After lunch, we stop at a few locations on the Hampton tramway to see the work done to display the locomotive and the erection of historical information display boards. It will be possible to see some of the formation but no major walk is involved. The final destination is the end of the tramway but this is adjacent

to the main road so only a short walk is necessary.

Arrangements can be made to pick up at Redbank if that is more convenient.

Times are approximate and return by 5.00pm is not guaranteed.

 

There is a store at Hampton where snacks and drinks can be purchased but you may prefer to bring your own. A cooler will be on the bus to keep things cold.

 

BOOKING :

 

Price:              $35 (will be collected on the day and does not include morning tea or lunch).

 

Departure will be from the Budget depot, 650 Beaudesert Rd., Rocklea (Cnr. Lillian Av. On left hand side about 400m south of  Nyanda rail overpass) at 7.30 am.

Arrangements can be made to pick up at Redbank if that is more suitable.

 

Bookings:       Email : Owen  Betts at osbee1@... (ph [07] 3275 2629)

                        Please book as soon as possible to ensure numbers are viable.

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

John Dennis
 

Just a quick heads-up. The pre-publication offer for Rails to Rubicon expires tomorrow. Any orders placed from November 1st will be at the regular retail price.

Order from the online shop: https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales 


On Fri., 18 Oct. 2019, 4:36 pm Frank Stamford, <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

"Rails to Rubicon: A history of the Rubicon Forest" (second edition) by Peter Evans, has just arrived from the printer. I can now confirm that the reproduction of the photographs is greatly improved - and the quality of the paper is better (the book weighs 12% more than the first edition although it has the same number of pages).

The pre-publication price of $39.60 ($29.70 for LRRSA members) is available until 31 October; after which the price will be $49.50 ($37.10 to LRRSA members).

More information can be found on a previous post on this page, and orders can be placed on the LRRSA Online Shop:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon…

 
 

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Re: LRRSA on groups.io

David Halfpenny
 


On 24 Oct 2019, at 23:49, Roderick Smith via Groups.Io <rnveditor@...> wrote:

Aha,
I am a member and got the message.
Yahoo is self destructing: no new content from 28.10, and no archiving of old content from December.
Hence, the switch to io is vital to preserve accumulated knowledge.

io makes transition seamless, but at a price: AUD220 for a premium account (10 GB) for one year, then the possibility of dropping to free (1 GB).

I am having to bite the bullet with my pub group.

Roderick, you can evade the transfer price by creating a free Basic group and doing the work yourself.

Personal Groupware Offline by Wilson Logan will archive your pub group (as best it can with Yahoo outages) to buy you time.
A Free Trial is enough to grab the messages photos and files.

David 1/2d


Google is not matching io: it has no transfer offer (free or paid).  Or at least, I can't find any information on such an offer within the google website.  It is just as arrogant as farcebook and yahell anyhow.
The one yahell group which went to google runs a private archive anyhow.

I still can't judge which is better for users.

Roderick



Re: LRRSA on groups.io

Frank Stamford
 


David,

I cannot. Yahoo will not let me log in!

They want me to verify my mobile phone number. They send me a verification code to my mobile phone, but when I try to log in with it they say it is invalid.

They are crazy.

Regards,
Frank


On 25/10/2019 11:03 am, David Halfpenny via Groups.Io wrote:
Frank,

Maybe it’s time change the Home Page and Posting Status of the old Yahoo Group?

At the moment all 9 800 messages are still visible, but by mid-December they’ll be gone.

David 1/2d

On 24 Oct 2019, at 23:18, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

Hello all,

This message is from LRRSA@groups.io the group which was set up about 18 months ago to replace LRRSA@...

Some members of the old yahoogroup are claiming this group does not exist!

Well it does, and the old yahoogroup is dead as far as the LRRSA is concerned.

Regards,
Frank


Re: LRRSA on groups.io

David Halfpenny
 

Frank,

Maybe it’s time change the Home Page and Posting Status of the old Yahoo Group?

At the moment all 9 800 messages are still visible, but by mid-December they’ll be gone.

David 1/2d

On 24 Oct 2019, at 23:18, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

Hello all,

This message is from LRRSA@groups.io the group which was set up about 18 months ago to replace LRRSA@...

Some members of the old yahoogroup are claiming this group does not exist!

Well it does, and the old yahoogroup is dead as far as the LRRSA is concerned.

Regards,
Frank

Re: LRRSA on groups.io

Roderick Smith
 

Aha,
I am a member and got the message.
Yahoo is self destructing: no new content from 28.10, and no archiving of old content from December.
Hence, the switch to io is vital to preserve accumulated knowledge.

io makes transition seamless, but at a price: AUD220 for a premium account (10 GB) for one year, then the possibility of dropping to free (1 GB).

I am having to bite the bullet with my pub group.

Google is not matching io: it has no transfer offer (free or paid).  Or at least, I can't find any information on such an offer within the google website.  It is just as arrogant as farcebook and yahell anyhow.
The one yahell group which went to google runs a private archive anyhow.

I still can't judge which is better for users.

Roderick


LRRSA on groups.io

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

This message is from LRRSA@groups.io the group which was set up about 18 months ago to replace LRRSA@...

Some members of the old yahoogroup are claiming this group does not exist!

Well it does, and the old yahoogroup is dead as far as the LRRSA is concerned.

Regards,
Frank

Re: LRRSA NSW Division tour - WOOLWICH DOCK

rthorne475
 

Old photos show that two standard gauge steam railway cranes operated here, running the length of each side of the dock.  Does anyone have details?

Richard Horne

On Sunday, 20 October 2019, 11:09:23 BST, Phil Rickard <starry44@...> wrote:


Please see attached flier for what will no doubt be another interesting day tour for anyone in the Sydney area, conducted by this year's John Monash Medal winner, Dave Jeehan.

Phil Rickard

LRRSA NSW Division tour - WOOLWICH DOCK

Phil Rickard
 

Please see attached flier for what will no doubt be another interesting day tour for anyone in the Sydney area, conducted by this year's John Monash Medal winner, Dave Jeehan.

Phil Rickard

Re: Rails to Rubicon book - second edition pre-publication offer

Frank Stamford
 

"Rails to Rubicon: A history of the Rubicon Forest" (second edition) by Peter Evans, has just arrived from the printer. I can now confirm that the reproduction of the photographs is greatly improved - and the quality of the paper is better (the book weighs 12% more than the first edition although it has the same number of pages).

The pre-publication price of $39.60 ($29.70 for LRRSA members) is available until 31 October; after which the price will be $49.50 ($37.10 to LRRSA members).

More information can be found on a previous post on this page, and orders can be placed on the LRRSA Online Shop:https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Rails-to-Rubicon…

 
 

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

John Browning
 

Search your computer and see if you can find a folder named kerrs_qld_history_database
If you can find it, then that is where you should find the extracted files.
John

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

David in Avenel
 

Well it downloaded fine for me and I extracted it to .... somewhere but not obvious.   Now according to the instructions I need to install DBSearch (supplied) which I did and then the insts to explore the data base are given but try as I might I could not find anything.  In the past I re call that the NSW Track & Signal Diagrams used this search engine and at that time I found it to be treble dutch and confusing, consequently DVD of diagrams chucked in drawer and forgotten.

What a thoroughly confusing situation.

--

cheers and best wishes,
David in Avenel.au
[Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.]



Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

David Halfpenny
 

Greg,

40 years ago I put a million pounds worth of Computer Aided Design into the Traction & Rolling Stock Division of the British Railways Board.
I scarcely need say that I’d now struggle to find similar kit dead in a museum, let alone up and running to read those old drawings.

Anticipating your email even back then, I insisted that the CAD drawings were Microfilmed and Archived on 35mm IBM silver-based ‘aperture cards’, in exactly the same way as Inked drawings were.
I then set about cataloguing them all on a massive database.

These days, when I pop into my old office to buy prints of Works Drawings, the CAD computer room has long been stripped-out. But the lads at screens still have the Aperture Cards and, as they still have the Database, they can find and scan those drawings onto PDFs and paper plots.
The digital nature of the ‘model’ has been lost, but at least Something has Survived, and luckily no worse than that from the previous reign of Tracing Linen and India Ink.

That isn’t a complete answer - it only works for computer-created Drawings, but not for the kind of digital data that goes direct to Manufacturing without a Paper Print.
Frankly, many aspects of the second half of the 20thC have been archived in far less detail than the second half of the 19thC. Once the colour snaps have faded, even family holidays will be less documented.

David 1/2d
 
On 12 Oct 2019, at 00:28, Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...> wrote:

G’day all

These comments do raise the question to me of how will researchers of the future deal with records from the current era where many records are kept electronically.

I know I’ve never been that rigorous in how I store my digital images compared to my slides. It strikes me that every time a program is upgraded or current technology changes things get lost. Who can read a floppy disc now and I had to get an external DVD reader for my work computer.

I remember a comment about oral histories of engineers being recorded and someone asked are we archiving a machine to be able access the recording when technology changes.  

At least I can read 100 year old printed books - only problem is when they are in a language I don’t understand! Maybe the modern equivalent is incompatible software languages! 🙄

One at least hopes that Government Archives at least have some rigour in record keeping and commit to keeping the data available and compatible with the future technology.

Regards

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

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From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io <rjt_46@...>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:20:02 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] John Kerr's QLD notes
 
G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

Greg Stephenson
 

G’day all

These comments do raise the question to me of how will researchers of the future deal with records from the current era where many records are kept electronically.

I know I’ve never been that rigorous in how I store my digital images compared to my slides. It strikes me that every time a program is upgraded or current technology changes things get lost. Who can read a floppy disc now and I had to get an external DVD reader for my work computer.

I remember a comment about oral histories of engineers being recorded and someone asked are we archiving a machine to be able access the recording when technology changes.  

At least I can read 100 year old printed books - only problem is when they are in a language I don’t understand! Maybe the modern equivalent is incompatible software languages! 🙄

One at least hopes that Government Archives at least have some rigour in record keeping and commit to keeping the data available and compatible with the future technology.

Regards

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

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From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io <rjt_46@...>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:20:02 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] John Kerr's QLD notes
 
G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

Re: John Kerr's QLD notes

Chris Stratton
 

You still need a valid copy of Windows to install with VirtualBox

Regards,
CS



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G'day Lynn,

 I run a virtual machine using VirtualBox for these situations, to run any flavour of windoze necessary for the job.

If you are running an esoteric system, install Linux Mint in an old box or laptop to achieve the same ends.  All at zero cost... :)

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

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