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Re: Title Photo.

John Browning
 

Perhaps it is easy to lose sight of what the lrrsa Yahoo discussion
group is primarily - a gathering place for those who already know
they are interested in "Light Railways" as defined by lrrsa.

A key outcome of this is to have a valuable on-line presence that can
attract new members and new readers of the magazine, a role shared
with the lrrsa web site.

It is interesting to wonder how many casual visitors arrive at the
group page. My guess would be that the vast majority of casual
visitors to the group pages are those who have found their way there
through a search - and so once again know exactly why they have come
there and what they are interested in.

In any case, the lrrsa group front page is very clear in stating what
people might find within.

My suggestion to Brad is that the Fiji bullock-hauled cane train on
portable track is an excellent front page picture for a little while,
but that generally speaking the front page should be of an Australian
scene and should be changed periodically to take in the breadth of
the society's interests, just as Frank does with the lrrsa web page.
It is good if the web page and group site complement each other, not
duplicate each other, and I think this has been achieved well.

As an experienced moderator of groups, Brad will probably have quite
a reasonable idea of the type and level of interest most represented
by those who visit discussion group pages such as ours. Sugar cane
may have its own more specialised groups, but I would wager that a
significant proportion of our newer members became interested in
lrrsa through sugar cane. As the cane industry is by far the dominant
user of "light railways" in Australia today, I'd suggest we need to
maintain a close eye on this industry.

I imagine that the reference to the "worthy leaders" of the Society
is to the elected individuals who have statutory responsibilities for
its strategic direction and management. I am not and never have been
one such. However, my observation is that they have been very
successful so far in making it a very successful organisation.

My understanding is that the "worthy leaders" do believe that it will
soon be time for another stocktake, as happens with every successful
organisation, and I understand that they will be consulting members
and stakeholders in a variety of ways.

Out there in the big bad world, discussion groups can tend to be
taken over by the "wrecker", the "wind up merchant", the loud and the
opinionated. It has been shown that most people who belong to a group
say very little, if anything, while antagonistic attitudes, rudeness,
and general shouting is a very effective way of driving away members
of the "silent majority" (for that is who they are).

That is why we control access to the group and have active
moderators. Thankfully, this guiding presence is nearly always
invisible, as it ideally should be - which is a tribute to the good
sense, good humour and positive attitudes seen in just about every
post. Our focus has been, and continues to be, the generous sharing
of information and the respectful sharing of ideas. Long may it
continue.

John Browning
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

BLI BLI wrote:

I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways.
To me, this shot could not easily be bettered for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this.
Indeed, but is it the sort of "light railway" which most members or prospective members of LRRSA are really sufficiently interested in to ensure the future of the society?

A discussion once started (IIRC) on this group on how to ensure the future of LRRSA, but it seemed to stop very rapidly before it actually went anywhere.

I doubt that bullocks hauling sugar in Fiji would be a sufficiently attractive motivation for future members, even if the scene is interesting/picturesque/appealing in a more general sense.

My instinct says that the major body of relevant interest is in Australian loco-hauled narrow-gauge lines with an industrial or forestry flavour, and that even Queensland (let alone Fiji) sugar lines are regarded by many as a rather separate area of interest. But my "instinct" - and that of others, even the society's worthy leaders - could be totally false. We need facts, not instinct. Perhaps LRRSA should again run some sort of poll to establish what current members' priorities actually are, but of course even that would say little or nothing about what is necessary to maintain future involvement.


Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brad,

Well I don't think you should rush to change it,
it is too interesting and worth leaving there for a while.

It has also generated some interesting discussion
and harmless controversy, and that's a good
thing, this Yahoo Group has been too quiet of late.

You cannot please everybody with this sort of
thing, and as the founder and moderator of the
group you have the privilege of making the choice.

Regards,

Frank

At 11:21 AM 14/02/2009, you wrote:

Howdee,
            I suppose it really
comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways.
 To me, this shot could not easily be bettered
for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this.

 It is interesting to hear comments about the
subject used. One would be hard pressed finding
a recent back issue without OS content (look at
the current cover) in it and, as I have had
people tell me in the past, the Fiji sugar
industry has long been tied into Australia in one way or another.

 However if it be a big hassle I shall set about changing it ASAP.

Regards
Brad
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 5:43 AM

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From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@ bom.gov.au>

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM

To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au>

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Brad,
Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways.
But it is making us sit up and think!

"That's a railway? !"

And indeed it is.

The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy

battlefield and turnip railways.

Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam

locomotives.

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Re: Marysville devastation

Bill Russell
 

G'day Mike and All,

I disagree with your suggestion for restoration.

I think cosmetic restoration (if such is possible) should be done at Marysville to
preserve the town's ownership of the relic.

YVTR appears to have no spare space in their workshop. (I was there on Tuesday.)
Apart from that they have enough to do with what they had planned apart from the fire
damage to their track.
Regards,
Bill Russell.

On 13 Feb 2009 at 0:15, wordsmith_mike wrote:

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "john browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

I remember that a rare Days 0-6-0PM 3ft gauge loco has been on
display in
Marysville for many years.
If it is recoverable, maybe the Yarra Valley Tourist Railway could in
finding a space for restoration



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Re: Marysville devastation

Bill Russell
 

G'day Peter and All,

I think the photographs and documents were lost. I saw the same ABC segment as
Brian. I understand that it will/should take some time to contact the appropriate people on
Marysville.

On 14 Feb 2009 at 7:18, Peter Evans wrote:

I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before investigating
further. I will then report back to the group.



The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of photographs
and documents and I hope that has survived.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

neville conder
 

Hey Brad
Don't you dare change the photo on the title page as it is the true essence of what a LIGHT railway is. Fiji sugar industry has a strong tire through CSR etc so it is quite and this still happening today in Fiji where it finished fifty years ago in Australia. Personally some people should take there blinkers off.
Sorry about that.
Neville

----- Original Message -----
From: BLI BLI
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


Howdee,
I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways.
To me, this shot could not easily be bettered for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this.

It is interesting to hear comments about the subject used. One would be hard pressed finding a recent back issue without OS content (look at the current cover) in it and, as I have had people tell me in the past, the Fiji sugar industry has long been tied into Australia in one way or another.

However if it be a big hassle I shall set about changing it ASAP.

Regards
Brad
** Who really should stick to his Philippine efforts :-)

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--- On Fri, 2/13/09, David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 5:43 AM

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --

From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@ bom.gov.au>

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM

To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au>

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

> Brad,

>

> Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too

> agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways.

But it is making us sit up and think!

"That's a railway? !"

And indeed it is.

The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy

battlefield and turnip railways.

Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam

locomotives.

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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee,
             I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways.
  To me, this shot could not easily be bettered for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this.

  It is interesting to hear comments about the subject used. One would be hard pressed finding a recent back issue without OS content (look at the current cover) in it and, as I have had people tell me in the past, the Fiji sugar industry has long been tied into Australia in one way or another.

  However if it be a big hassle I shall set about changing it ASAP.

Regards
Brad
** Who really should stick to his Philippine efforts :-)


** Railways & Industrial Heritage Society Phils Inc (Australian Chapter) **

Preserving The Rich Railway History Of The Philippines.

We are urgently needing your help!

PHOTOS - STORIES - HISTORICAL ITEMS - MEMBERSHIP

****** http://anz.rihspi.org ******

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 5:43 AM
















------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --

From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@ bom.gov.au>

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM

To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au>

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Brad,
Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways.


But it is making us sit up and think!



"That's a railway? !"



And indeed it is.



The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy

battlefield and turnip railways.



Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam

locomotives.



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Re: Marysville devastation

Michael J
 

News this morning was that Marysville residents are
being allowed to tour the town on buses today, they
will not be allowed off the bus. In other words there
is nothing happening in the town yet towards
recovery, the police are still working there.

So as yet there is no "great urgency" to do anything.
But if you know anybody, an offer to help when they
are ready, will always be appreciated I'm sure.

Michael


Re: Marysville devastation

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brian,

I am sorry, but on this occasion I cannot agree with you.

Peter is much closer to this, I have worked with him for over twenty
years on the LRRSA Council, and I would completely trust his judgement
on knowing the appropriate time to take any action on this.

The human needs of the survivors of the Marysville devastation must
take priority now. The total loss of life in Marysville is not yet
known, but it is expected to be very high.

Regards,

Frank



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Brian Millar" <rallim56@...> wrote:

Peter,
While no one wants to seem rude or not caring, sitting back may not
be a
good option as it is human nature to remove all things that remind
them of
something so heart rending and devastating, if I have my facts
right the
President and his wife of the Marysville Historical Society were on a
program on the ABC the other night and they did grab as much as they
could
from the museum, but I think in the end there car was destroyed, I'm
sure if
you were to contact them ASAP. it may give them and others in the
community
a little hope, a bit like a little light at the end of the tunnel,
to know
that out of devastation and ruin, comes re-building.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Evans" <peter@...>
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation


I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to
come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before
investigating
further. I will then report back to the group.



The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of
photographs
and documents and I hope that has survived.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Re: Marysville devastation

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

Peter,
While no one wants to seem rude or not caring, sitting back may not be a good option as it is human nature to remove all things that remind them of something so heart rending and devastating, if I have my facts right the President and his wife of the Marysville Historical Society were on a program on the ABC the other night and they did grab as much as they could from the museum, but I think in the end there car was destroyed, I'm sure if you were to contact them ASAP. it may give them and others in the community a little hope, a bit like a little light at the end of the tunnel, to know that out of devastation and ruin, comes re-building.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.

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To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation


I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before investigating
further. I will then report back to the group.



The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of photographs
and documents and I hope that has survived.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Title Photograph.

dickwho1
 

I agree with Mr. Hunslet. There must be a large number of relevant photographs taken in Australia.

Dick Holland


Re: Title Photo.

Hunslet
 

My only adverse comment would be that the web page is LRRSA with the A standing for Australia, not for an overseas operation.

The photograph certainly has some human interest, but I am sure a somewhat similar "local" photograph could be used. I know I have one!

Hunslet.


Re: Marysville devastation

Peter Evans
 

I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before investigating
further. I will then report back to the group.



The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of photographs
and documents and I hope that has survived.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Re: Title Photo.

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

Brad,
You're welcome to use any of the photos in my album:-
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/223264034/pic/list>
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.


Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
 

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@bom.gov.au>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Brad,

Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways.
But it is making us sit up and think!

"That's a railway? !"

And indeed it is.

The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy battlefield and turnip railways.

Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam locomotives.

David 1/2d


Re: Title Photo.

alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au <alcogoodwin@...>
 

It be Fiji (covered nearly every issue of LR). Regards Brad (on mobile-so short)

Frank Stamford wrote:
Hello Brad,
Personally I like the picture very much, and I think it encapsulates
the concept of a "light railway" beautifully.
But it doesn't look like Australia to me, probably Java I think - so
in the long term it is probably not the best photo for the header,
but I think you should leave it there for a while so people have a
chance to appreciate it.
In the long term a current era photo of Queensland sugar cane
operations might be the best option.
Regards,
Frank
At 10:15 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
Been testing out a new OPTUS wireless thingamy and going through all
the various Yahoogroups.
Not sure how many people go to the front page of our group with any
regularity, however the photo and name on there was a little old and
awful looking, certainly not something that would attract huge
amounts of interest.

Anyway I have spent some time and updated the look of the main title
photo. Hopefully it meets the approval of the powers that be.

< http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/LRRSA/ > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/LRRSA/

Best wishes
Brad


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Re: Title Photo.

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brad,

Personally I like the picture very much, and I think it encapsulates the concept of a "light railway" beautifully.

But it doesn't look like Australia to me, probably Java I think - so in the long term it is probably not the best photo for the header, but I think you should leave it there for a while so people have a chance to appreciate it.

In the long term a current era photo of Queensland sugar cane operations might be the best option.

Regards,

Frank

At 10:15 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote:

Hi all,
Been testing out a new OPTUS wireless thingamy and going through all the various Yahoogroups.
Not sure how many people go to the front page of our group with any regularity, however the photo and name on there was a little old and awful looking, certainly not something that would attract huge amounts of interest.

Anyway I have spent some time and updated the look of the main title photo. Hopefully it meets the approval of the powers that be.

<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/>http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/

Best wishes
Brad


Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

I agree with Rod. It may be a most picturesque photo of a light railway, but its connection with the bulk of the LRRSA's activities seems pretty remote? However my assessment relates not to the format of the photo but to the motive power itself, which seems not to have received much attention by the LRRSA, nor to have been very common in the normal geographical range thereof.

Rod Hutchinson wrote:

Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. This
probably because the motive power is in the front of the image (is at
the crossing point of Rule of Thirds), and the rails are almost covered
by the sugarcane.
Comments above are a reflection my first impression as I opened the Home
Page.
Regards
Rod Hutchinson


Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Brad,

Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. This
probably because the motive power is in the front of the image (is at
the crossing point of Rule of Thirds), and the rails are almost covered
by the sugarcane.

Comments above are a reflection my first impression as I opened the Home
Page.

Regards
Rod Hutchinson



Subject: [LRRSA] Title Photo.

Hi all,
Been testing out a new OPTUS wireless thingamy and going through
all the various Yahoogroups.
Not sure how many people go to the front page of our group with any
regularity, however the photo and name on there was a little old and
awful looking, certainly not something that would attract huge amounts
of interest.

Anyway I have spent some time and updated the look of the main title
photo. Hopefully it meets the approval of the powers that be.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/

Best wishes
Brad

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