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Re: Title Photo.
Perhaps it is easy to lose sight of what the lrrsa Yahoo discussion
group is primarily - a gathering place for those who already know they are interested in "Light Railways" as defined by lrrsa. A key outcome of this is to have a valuable on-line presence that can attract new members and new readers of the magazine, a role shared with the lrrsa web site. It is interesting to wonder how many casual visitors arrive at the group page. My guess would be that the vast majority of casual visitors to the group pages are those who have found their way there through a search - and so once again know exactly why they have come there and what they are interested in. In any case, the lrrsa group front page is very clear in stating what people might find within. My suggestion to Brad is that the Fiji bullock-hauled cane train on portable track is an excellent front page picture for a little while, but that generally speaking the front page should be of an Australian scene and should be changed periodically to take in the breadth of the society's interests, just as Frank does with the lrrsa web page. It is good if the web page and group site complement each other, not duplicate each other, and I think this has been achieved well. As an experienced moderator of groups, Brad will probably have quite a reasonable idea of the type and level of interest most represented by those who visit discussion group pages such as ours. Sugar cane may have its own more specialised groups, but I would wager that a significant proportion of our newer members became interested in lrrsa through sugar cane. As the cane industry is by far the dominant user of "light railways" in Australia today, I'd suggest we need to maintain a close eye on this industry. I imagine that the reference to the "worthy leaders" of the Society is to the elected individuals who have statutory responsibilities for its strategic direction and management. I am not and never have been one such. However, my observation is that they have been very successful so far in making it a very successful organisation. My understanding is that the "worthy leaders" do believe that it will soon be time for another stocktake, as happens with every successful organisation, and I understand that they will be consulting members and stakeholders in a variety of ways. Out there in the big bad world, discussion groups can tend to be taken over by the "wrecker", the "wind up merchant", the loud and the opinionated. It has been shown that most people who belong to a group say very little, if anything, while antagonistic attitudes, rudeness, and general shouting is a very effective way of driving away members of the "silent majority" (for that is who they are). That is why we control access to the group and have active moderators. Thankfully, this guiding presence is nearly always invisible, as it ideally should be - which is a tribute to the good sense, good humour and positive attitudes seen in just about every post. Our focus has been, and continues to be, the generous sharing of information and the respectful sharing of ideas. Long may it continue. John Browning co-moderator
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Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the LRRSA group. File : /Powellite_drawing version 0.pdf Uploaded by : fstamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> Description : Powellite side elevation drawing You can access this file at the URL: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Powellite_drawing%20version%200.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/au/yahoo7/groups/original/ownmod/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, fstamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com>
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
BLI BLI wrote:
I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways.Indeed, but is it the sort of "light railway" which most members or prospective members of LRRSA are really sufficiently interested in to ensure the future of the society? A discussion once started (IIRC) on this group on how to ensure the future of LRRSA, but it seemed to stop very rapidly before it actually went anywhere. I doubt that bullocks hauling sugar in Fiji would be a sufficiently attractive motivation for future members, even if the scene is interesting/picturesque/appealing in a more general sense. My instinct says that the major body of relevant interest is in Australian loco-hauled narrow-gauge lines with an industrial or forestry flavour, and that even Queensland (let alone Fiji) sugar lines are regarded by many as a rather separate area of interest. But my "instinct" - and that of others, even the society's worthy leaders - could be totally false. We need facts, not instinct. Perhaps LRRSA should again run some sort of poll to establish what current members' priorities actually are, but of course even that would say little or nothing about what is necessary to maintain future involvement.
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Frank Stamford
Hello Brad,
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Well I don't think you should rush to change it, it is too interesting and worth leaving there for a while. It has also generated some interesting discussion and harmless controversy, and that's a good thing, this Yahoo Group has been too quiet of late. You cannot please everybody with this sort of thing, and as the founder and moderator of the group you have the privilege of making the choice. Regards, Frank
At 11:21 AM 14/02/2009, you wrote:
Howdee,
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Re: Marysville devastation
Bill Russell
G'day Mike and All,
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I disagree with your suggestion for restoration. I think cosmetic restoration (if such is possible) should be done at Marysville to preserve the town's ownership of the relic. YVTR appears to have no spare space in their workshop. (I was there on Tuesday.) Apart from that they have enough to do with what they had planned apart from the fire damage to their track. Regards, Bill Russell.
On 13 Feb 2009 at 0:15, wordsmith_mike wrote:
--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "john browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:display in
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Re: Marysville devastation
Bill Russell
G'day Peter and All,
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I think the photographs and documents were lost. I saw the same ABC segment as Brian. I understand that it will/should take some time to contact the appropriate people on Marysville.
On 14 Feb 2009 at 7:18, Peter Evans wrote:
I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
neville conder
Hey Brad
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Don't you dare change the photo on the title page as it is the true essence of what a LIGHT railway is. Fiji sugar industry has a strong tire through CSR etc so it is quite and this still happening today in Fiji where it finished fifty years ago in Australia. Personally some people should take there blinkers off. Sorry about that. Neville
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From: BLI BLI To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Howdee, I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways. To me, this shot could not easily be bettered for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this. It is interesting to hear comments about the subject used. One would be hard pressed finding a recent back issue without OS content (look at the current cover) in it and, as I have had people tell me in the past, the Fiji sugar industry has long been tied into Australia in one way or another. However if it be a big hassle I shall set about changing it ASAP. Regards Brad ** Who really should stick to his Philippine efforts :-) ** Railways & Industrial Heritage Society Phils Inc (Australian Chapter) ** Preserving The Rich Railway History Of The Philippines. We are urgently needing your help! PHOTOS - STORIES - HISTORICAL ITEMS - MEMBERSHIP ****** http://anz.rihspi.org ****** --- On Fri, 2/13/09, David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 5:43 AM ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -- From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@ bom.gov.au> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au> Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] > Brad, > > Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too > agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. But it is making us sit up and think! "That's a railway? !" And indeed it is. The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy battlefield and turnip railways. Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam locomotives. David 1/2d Share videos while chatting with your friends on messenger. Now you can with the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://ph.messenger.yahoo.com
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
Howdee,
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I suppose it really comes down to a persons personal definition of Light Railways. To me, this shot could not easily be bettered for describing a light railway. Railways don't come much lighter than this. It is interesting to hear comments about the subject used. One would be hard pressed finding a recent back issue without OS content (look at the current cover) in it and, as I have had people tell me in the past, the Fiji sugar industry has long been tied into Australia in one way or another. However if it be a big hassle I shall set about changing it ASAP. Regards Brad ** Who really should stick to his Philippine efforts :-) ** Railways & Industrial Heritage Society Phils Inc (Australian Chapter) ** Preserving The Rich Railway History Of The Philippines. We are urgently needing your help! PHOTOS - STORIES - HISTORICAL ITEMS - MEMBERSHIP ****** http://anz.rihspi.org ******
--- On Fri, 2/13/09, David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 5:43 AM ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -- From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@ bom.gov.au> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au> Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Brad, Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. But it is making us sit up and think! "That's a railway? !" And indeed it is. The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy battlefield and turnip railways. Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam locomotives. David 1/2d Share videos while chatting with your friends on messenger. Now you can with the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://ph.messenger.yahoo.com
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Re: Marysville devastation
Michael J
News this morning was that Marysville residents are
being allowed to tour the town on buses today, they will not be allowed off the bus. In other words there is nothing happening in the town yet towards recovery, the police are still working there. So as yet there is no "great urgency" to do anything. But if you know anybody, an offer to help when they are ready, will always be appreciated I'm sure. Michael
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Re: Marysville devastation
Frank Stamford
Hello Brian,
I am sorry, but on this occasion I cannot agree with you. Peter is much closer to this, I have worked with him for over twenty years on the LRRSA Council, and I would completely trust his judgement on knowing the appropriate time to take any action on this. The human needs of the survivors of the Marysville devastation must take priority now. The total loss of life in Marysville is not yet known, but it is expected to be very high. Regards, Frank --- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Brian Millar" <rallim56@...> wrote: be a good option as it is human nature to remove all things that remindthem of something so heart rending and devastating, if I have my factsright the President and his wife of the Marysville Historical Society were on acould from the museum, but I think in the end there car was destroyed, I'msure if you were to contact them ASAP. it may give them and others in thecommunity a little hope, a bit like a little light at the end of the tunnel,to know that out of devastation and ruin, comes re-building.come in investigatingand for some of the rawness of the event to subside before named.further. I will then report back to the group. use ofIf transmissionthe me byin error please delete it immediately from your system and inform Railways andreturn email and destroy the original message members ofthe LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au andthe LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors --------------------------------------------------------------------------------opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA 02/12/09 18:46:00
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Re: Marysville devastation
Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
Peter,
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While no one wants to seem rude or not caring, sitting back may not be a good option as it is human nature to remove all things that remind them of something so heart rending and devastating, if I have my facts right the President and his wife of the Marysville Historical Society were on a program on the ABC the other night and they did grab as much as they could from the museum, but I think in the end there car was destroyed, I'm sure if you were to contact them ASAP. it may give them and others in the community a little hope, a bit like a little light at the end of the tunnel, to know that out of devastation and ruin, comes re-building. Cheers Brian Millar Qld. Aust.
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From: "Peter Evans" <peter@peterevans.com.au> To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00
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Title Photograph.
I agree with Mr. Hunslet. There must be a large number of relevant photographs taken in Australia.
Dick Holland
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Re: Title Photo.
Hunslet
My only adverse comment would be that the web page is LRRSA with the A standing for Australia, not for an overseas operation.
The photograph certainly has some human interest, but I am sure a somewhat similar "local" photograph could be used. I know I have one! Hunslet.
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Re: Marysville devastation
Peter Evans
I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before investigating further. I will then report back to the group. The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of photographs and documents and I hope that has survived. Cheers, PeterE. Peter Evans Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services 0407 537 837 www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.au P please consider the environment before printing. This electronic mail contains information that is privileged and confidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me by return email and destroy the original message
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Re: Title Photo.
Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
Brad,
You're welcome to use any of the photos in my album:- <http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/223264034/pic/list> Cheers Brian Millar Qld. Aust.
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
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From: "Rod Hutchinson" <r.hutchinson@bom.gov.au> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:41 AM To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Brad,But it is making us sit up and think! "That's a railway? !" And indeed it is. The Germans still use the term Feldbahn - Field Railway, derived from muddy battlefield and turnip railways. Think Decauville too - portable track panels and horses, later tiny steam locomotives. David 1/2d
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Re: Title Photo.
alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au <alcogoodwin@...>
It be Fiji (covered nearly every issue of LR). Regards Brad (on mobile-so short)
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Re: Title Photo.
Frank Stamford
Hello Brad,
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Personally I like the picture very much, and I think it encapsulates the concept of a "light railway" beautifully. But it doesn't look like Australia to me, probably Java I think - so in the long term it is probably not the best photo for the header, but I think you should leave it there for a while so people have a chance to appreciate it. In the long term a current era photo of Queensland sugar cane operations might be the best option. Regards, Frank
At 10:15 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
I agree with Rod. It may be a most picturesque photo of a light railway, but its connection with the bulk of the LRRSA's activities seems pretty remote? However my assessment relates not to the format of the photo but to the motive power itself, which seems not to have received much attention by the LRRSA, nor to have been very common in the normal geographical range thereof.
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Rod Hutchinson wrote:
Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
Brad,
Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. This probably because the motive power is in the front of the image (is at the crossing point of Rule of Thirds), and the rails are almost covered by the sugarcane. Comments above are a reflection my first impression as I opened the Home Page. Regards Rod Hutchinson Subject: [LRRSA] Title Photo. Hi all, Been testing out a new OPTUS wireless thingamy and going through all the various Yahoogroups. Not sure how many people go to the front page of our group with any regularity, however the photo and name on there was a little old and awful looking, certainly not something that would attract huge amounts of interest. Anyway I have spent some time and updated the look of the main title photo. Hopefully it meets the approval of the powers that be. http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/ Best wishes Brad
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