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Re: QR derailments etc 1950s - 1990s

Petan
 

Forgot to add that someone sent these to me some years ago, so obviously I don’t claim authorship.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017 10:12 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] QR derailments etc 1950s - 1990s

 




I offer a very extensive list of 1950s to 1990s list of QR train derailments etc etc in MS Word format. It includes both QR long closed lines thus on topic for LRRSA as well as many events resulting from interactions with QR and sugar mill tramway traffic.  

 

An example follows and I am not sure what the ‘3’ and B53.5984 indicate although obviously some QR code system; 24/7/53  7m Woongarra branch 3 B53.5984 Collision and derailment of PB15 537 and a Qunaba Mill cane train.

 

As far as I am concerned, these railway historical research documents are now available for other researchers.

 

1950s QR derailments etc, 1960s QR derailments etc, 1970s QR derailments etc, 1980s QR derailments etc, 1990s QR derailments etc

All from the one URL https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwVnJrSDIxdnRESWM

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley                                        

 

 

 





QR derailments etc 1950s - 1990s

Petan
 

I offer a very extensive list of 1950s to 1990s list of QR train derailments etc etc in MS Word format. It includes both QR long closed lines thus on topic for LRRSA as well as many events resulting from interactions with QR and sugar mill tramway traffic.  

 

An example follows and I am not sure what the ‘3’ and B53.5984 indicate although obviously some QR code system; 24/7/53  7m Woongarra branch 3 B53.5984 Collision and derailment of PB15 537 and a Qunaba Mill cane train.

 

As far as I am concerned, these railway historical research documents are now available for other researchers.

 

1950s QR derailments etc, 1960s QR derailments etc, 1970s QR derailments etc, 1980s QR derailments etc, 1990s QR derailments etc

All from the one URL https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwVnJrSDIxdnRESWM

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley                                        

 

 


WG: Book indonesian industrial Railway

Stefan
 

Just for your information.



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Hello,

I have that massive large big and fat book also since yesterday. 1000 loco photos and all these datas, that is really an impressive work. It's a must have...

Stefan

Am 12.10.2017 um 08:46 schrieb tks71:

Hi All,

I have just received my copy of Uwe Bergmann's new book "Die Dampflokomotiven der Indonesischen Werkbahnen", which comes with an English translation brochure "The Industrial Steam Locomotives of Indonesia".

At 512 pages it is an impressive attempt at listing all steam, electric and compressed-air locomotives delivered to industrial railways in Indonesia (plus one to Portuguese East Timor), including to the sugar industry, agrobusinesses, oil palm industry, forestry, mining, oil production, salt production, mineral extraction, construction, port railways, military railways and other companies.

The book is dedicated to the memory of Ray Gardiner.

It was published by "BahnWerk-Verlag Peter Lindemann" and I obtained my copy from http://schmalspurverlag.de/ in Germany for the price of EUR 50 + S&H.

Regards, Thomas.
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Fw: Light Railways Photo Request

Bruce McLean
 

 
 

From: Bruce McLean
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:51 PM
To: Richard Warwick
Subject: Light Railways Photo Request
 
Hello Richard,
 
Great to spend some time with you last Monday.  It sounds like you enjoyed your research trip.
 
Frank Stamford put this appeal on Facebook today: 
Anyone out there have any suitable photographs they would like to submit to be considered for publication in the Heritage & Tourist section of the next Light Railways?
 
Here are two photos of the former Sandhurst Town (Bendigo) Ruston locomotive hauling an ex Brisbane tramcar that maybe useful.  Sandhurst Town closed some years ago and is now the site of a Buddhist Temple.  The fate of the locomotive and carriage is not known.
 
The track was 610mm gauge and 1.6km long.  Photos taken by me on 190th May 1983.
 
Regards,
Bruce
 
Bruce McLean
P.O. Box 6056
LANSELL PLAZA VIC 3555

03 5447 9982
0412 012 859
 
 


Light Railways next issue Heritage & Tourist photographs

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,


Anyone out there have any suitable photographs they would like to submit to be considered for publication in the Heritage & Tourist section of the next Light Railways? 


Regards,

Frank



Re: : Re: Tweed

Petan
 

A week or so ago I was looking for the Lismore Tweed Railway working plans and sections (WP&S) to help locate three sugar cane loading spots on the Murwillumbah line as listed in the 1895 Government Gazette by their WP&S mileages.  

 

The good news is the Murwillumbah to Condong sugar mill WP&S was emailed from a very kind benefactor and is now available from my Google drive via the following URL. I also included an extract from the 1918 Local appendix to the WTT to show the line as listed in the WTT is about five miles longer than the WP&S mileages. Murwillumbah shown as 141 and a half miles from Grafton on the WP&S and 146 and a half miles from Grafton on the 1918 WTT.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwLXRFbkxjTTRXbFE/view  

 

Applying that five mile addition to the distances in the gazette gives the first sugar cane loading point at Talofa between Bangalow and St Helena, the second near the quarry siding north of Byron Bay and the last around Stokers Siding and Dunbible. The gazette that noted the distances as shown on the railway working plans is http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881   

 

Of course I am not aware if sugar was ever loaded at the first two locations but have a local book noting sugar loaded onto the government railway at Stokers Siding in the early days. We know Crabbes Creek loaded cane onto the government railway for Condong from 1921.


This is sending attempt number two as Yahoogroups has gobbled up yesterday's email. I did manage to mention the Murwillumbah Condong WP&S on the LRRSA Facebook group yesterday

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Tweed

Petan
 

A week or so ago I was looking for the Lismore Tweed Railway working plans and sections (WP&S) to help locate three sugar cane loading spots on the Murwillumbah line as listed in the 1895 Government Gazette by their WP&S mileages.  

 

The good news is the Murwillumbah to Condong sugar mill WP&S was emailed from a very kind benefactor and is now available from my Google drive via the following URL. I also included an extract from the 1918 Local appendix to the WTT to show the line as listed in the WTT is about five miles longer than the WP&S mileages. Murwillumbah shown as 141 and a half miles from Grafton on the WP&S and 146 and a half miles from Grafton on the 1918 WTT.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwLXRFbkxjTTRXbFE/view  

 

Applying that five mile addition to the distances in the gazette gives the first sugar cane loading point at Talofa between Bangalow and St Helena, the second near the quarry siding north of Byron Bay and the last around Stokers Siding and Dunbible. The gazette that noted the distances as shown on the railway working plans is http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881   

 

Of course I am not aware if sugar was ever loaded at the first two locations but have a local book noting sugar loaded at Stokers Siding in the early days. We know Crabbes Creek loaded cane onto the government railway for Condong in 1921.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: : Metro Tunnels might utilise tunnel locos?

Philip G Graham
 

Some up-dates on possible construction railways (tunnel locomotives)

        Forrestfield-Airport Link - SI/NRW jv (C)

https://thewest.com.au/news/transport/perth-rail-tunnel-to-forrestfield-first-pictures-revealed-ng-b88621983z

Disappointing news. These pictures from a few days ago show that the transport used for taking segment ring sets and grouting materials up to the TBM back-up, is being done by the dreaded pneumatic-tyred "multi purpose vehicle" (MPV) running directly on the raw ring surface. No conrail used.
-----------

         Sydney Metro, City & Southwest line - JH/CPB/Ghella jv (C)

The John Holland/CPB Contractors/Ghella jv have announced the TBM supplier for the Sydney Metro, City & Southwest line, Chatswood~Marrackville. The German manufacturer Herrenknecht will supply the four  DoubleShield TBMs and the fifth which will be a Hybrid MixedShield/Slurry TBM. These will be built in China. Still no firm indication as whether conrail or MPV to be used here (see previous sections to this post).

-PGG-


Re: Tweed

Kevin Sewell
 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course!!!

Thinking the same thing, I looked up Rolfe's bible, but that didn't make sense as 103 from Grafton was only Casino so that couldn't be it. But of course his distances are measured in metric, not miles. I feel like a goose!!!




On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 at 5:04 PM, 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bruce and that was the key I needed!!!

That sent me to my 1918 WTT which used Grafton as zero and gave 103m 78ch Binna Burra which is just west of Bangalow,  114m 25ch Byron Bay Creamery (Grafton end) and 137m 8ch Upper Burringbar. That shows sugar cane was considered west of Bangalow, south of Byron and the Burringbar Stokers Siding regions. I have a Murwillumbah history book describing cane loaded on the NSWGR at Stokers Siding in the early days. The area just north of there, Dunbible, sent cane to Condong by barge.

 

Thanks!!

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017 1:45 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Tweed

 

Hi Peter,

 I can’t really answer your question, however is it possible that these measurements were taken from the existing “rail-head” (South Grafton?) and based on the 1895 proposed route to Murwillumbah?

 Cheers

Bruce

 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]

Sent: 13 October, 2017 12:12 PM

Subject: [LRRSA] Tweed

 

A puzzle for NSW railway mileage enthusiasts if interested; The NSW Government Gazette 18 June 1895 noted sugar cane and timber to be loaded or unloaded at the sidings to be constructed at 103 miles 65 chains, 112 miles 50 chains and 137 miles 15 chains (as shown on the railway working plans) on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881 

The problem is the above is dated 1895 when the Lismore Murwillumbah plus Condong sugar mill extension railway only existed the 60 or so miles between Lismore and Murwillumbah via Byron Bay and Mullumbimby, so no location to match those 103, 112 and 137 mileages. The Lismore Casino section opened 1903 and it was still only 80 miles 54 chains from Murwillumbah. Maybe someone has access to the NSW railway documents described in that Gov Gazette as railway working plans on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line.

Of course, my interest is that mention of a sugar cane siding on the Tweed line.

Cheers

Peter Cokley

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Re: Tweed

Bruce Wood
 

Problem solved!
 
That is great Peter!
 
Best regards
Bruce
 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: 13 October, 2017 5:04 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Tweed
 
 

Thanks Bruce and that was the key I needed!!!

That sent me to my 1918 WTT which used Grafton as zero and gave 103m 78ch Binna Burra which is just west of Bangalow,  114m 25ch Byron Bay Creamery (Grafton end) and 137m 8ch Upper Burringbar. That shows sugar cane was considered west of Bangalow, south of Byron and the Burringbar Stokers Siding regions. I have a Murwillumbah history book describing cane loaded on the NSWGR at Stokers Siding in the early days. The area just north of there, Dunbible, sent cane to Condong by barge.

Thanks!!

Peter Cokley

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017 1:45 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Tweed

Hi Peter,

I can’t really answer your question, however is it possible that these measurements were taken from the existing “rail-head” (South Grafton?) and based on the 1895 proposed route to Murwillumbah?

Cheers

Bruce

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]

Sent: 13 October, 2017 12:12 PM

To: LRRSA@...

Subject: [LRRSA] Tweed

A puzzle for NSW railway mileage enthusiasts if interested; The NSW Government Gazette 18 June 1895 noted sugar cane and timber to be loaded or unloaded at the sidings to be constructed at 103 miles 65 chains, 112 miles 50 chains and 137 miles 15 chains (as shown on the railway working plans) on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881 

The problem is the above is dated 1895 when the Lismore Murwillumbah plus Condong sugar mill extension railway only existed the 60 or so miles between Lismore and Murwillumbah via Byron Bay and Mullumbimby, so no location to match those 103, 112 and 137 mileages. The Lismore Casino section opened 1903 and it was still only 80 miles 54 chains from Murwillumbah. Maybe someone has access to the NSW railway documents described in that Gov Gazette as railway working plans on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line.

Of course, my interest is that mention of a sugar cane siding on the Tweed line.

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Tweed

Petan
 

Thanks Bruce and that was the key I needed!!!

That sent me to my 1918 WTT which used Grafton as zero and gave 103m 78ch Binna Burra which is just west of Bangalow,  114m 25ch Byron Bay Creamery (Grafton end) and 137m 8ch Upper Burringbar. That shows sugar cane was considered west of Bangalow, south of Byron and the Burringbar Stokers Siding regions. I have a Murwillumbah history book describing cane loaded on the NSWGR at Stokers Siding in the early days. The area just north of there, Dunbible, sent cane to Condong by barge.

 

Thanks!!

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017 1:45 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Tweed

 

Hi Peter,

 I can’t really answer your question, however is it possible that these measurements were taken from the existing “rail-head” (South Grafton?) and based on the 1895 proposed route to Murwillumbah?

 Cheers

Bruce

 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]

Sent: 13 October, 2017 12:12 PM

Subject: [LRRSA] Tweed

 

A puzzle for NSW railway mileage enthusiasts if interested; The NSW Government Gazette 18 June 1895 noted sugar cane and timber to be loaded or unloaded at the sidings to be constructed at 103 miles 65 chains, 112 miles 50 chains and 137 miles 15 chains (as shown on the railway working plans) on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881 

The problem is the above is dated 1895 when the Lismore Murwillumbah plus Condong sugar mill extension railway only existed the 60 or so miles between Lismore and Murwillumbah via Byron Bay and Mullumbimby, so no location to match those 103, 112 and 137 mileages. The Lismore Casino section opened 1903 and it was still only 80 miles 54 chains from Murwillumbah. Maybe someone has access to the NSW railway documents described in that Gov Gazette as railway working plans on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line.

Of course, my interest is that mention of a sugar cane siding on the Tweed line.

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Tweed

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Peter,
 
I can’t really answer your question, however is it possible that these measurements were taken from the existing “rail-head” (South Grafton?) and based on the 1895 proposed route to Murwillumbah?
 
Cheers
Bruce
 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: 13 October, 2017 12:12 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Tweed
 
 

A puzzle for NSW railway mileage enthusiasts if interested; The NSW Government Gazette 18 June 1895 noted sugar cane and timber to be loaded or unloaded at the sidings to be constructed at 103 miles 65 chains, 112 miles 50 chains and 137 miles 15 chains (as shown on the railway working plans) on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881 

The problem is the above is dated 1895 when the Lismore Murwillumbah plus Condong sugar mill extension railway only existed the 60 or so miles between Lismore and Murwillumbah via Byron Bay and Mullumbimby, so no location to match those 103, 112 and 137 mileages. The Lismore Casino section opened 1903 and it was still only 80 miles 54 chains from Murwillumbah. Maybe someone has access to the NSW railway documents described in that Gov Gazette as railway working plans on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line.

Of course, my interest is that mention of a sugar cane siding on the Tweed line.

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Tweed

Petan
 

A puzzle for NSW railway mileage enthusiasts if interested; The NSW Government Gazette 18 June 1895 noted sugar cane and timber to be loaded or unloaded at the sidings to be constructed at 103 miles 65 chains, 112 miles 50 chains and 137 miles 15 chains (as shown on the railway working plans) on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article222225881  

 

The problem is the above is dated 1895 when the Lismore Murwillumbah plus Condong sugar mill extension railway only existed the 60 or so miles between Lismore and Murwillumbah via Byron Bay and Mullumbimby, so no location to match those 103, 112 and 137 mileages. The Lismore Casino section opened 1903 and it was still only 80 miles 54 chains from Murwillumbah. Maybe someone has access to the NSW railway documents described in that Gov Gazette as railway working plans on the Lismore-Tweed Railway Line.

 

Of course, my interest is that mention of a sugar cane siding on the Tweed line.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


Re: : Crabbes Creek Cletrac

Petan
 

There is a Cletrac on display at the Tamborine Mountain Heritage Centre in SE QLD with the Cletrac viewable on google street view as it is just inside the fence http://www.tmheritagecentre.com.au/home

While the Crabbes Creek cletrac powered sugar tramway was part of the Condong mill system just south of the NSW state border, it is in the region generally visited by QLD based rail researchers as it is only about two hours south of Brisbane.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley   

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 October 2017 11:46 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Re:: Crabbes Creek Cletrac

It's interesting to hear of Cletracs up in Queensland. In the 1920s and 30s they were the only oversnow vehicles to operate in substantial numbers, mostly to Victorian Railways owned ski hotels such as the Buffalo Chalet and the Feathertop Bungalow. A fan of that sort of thing has an oversnow website, the page for pre-war Australian Cletracs is at

http://australianalpinoversnow.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/cleveland-tractor-company.html


Posted by: sisson.dave@...



 


Re: : Crabbes Creek Cletrac

sisson.dave@...
 

It's interesting to hear of Cletracs up in Queensland. In the 1920s and 30s they were the only oversnow vehicles to operate in substantial numbers, mostly to Victorian Railways owned ski hotels such as the Buffalo Chalet and the Feathertop Bungalow.


A fan of that sort of thing has an oversnow website, the page for pre-war Australian Cletracs is at http://australianalpinoversnow.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/cleveland-tractor-company.html


Re: : Crabbes Creek Cletrac

Petan
 

Thanks Phil,

I’m in contact with a few local folk and might eventually get lucky. The author was 82 when published in 2010 so I’m hoping he is still around.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 12:52 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Re:: Crabbes Creek Cletrac

 



Very interesting Peter.

Great to hear your research is getting results. I'm looking forward to your article (as I'm sure is the Hon Editor).  . . and what a tongue-twister first thing in the morning - try saying Crabbes Creek Cletrac ten times before morning tea !

Here's hoping you can track down the holder of the original photos - with today's scanning techniques etc., even old photos can reveal lots and be fiddled with to produce superior results.

cheers     Phil Rickard



Re: : Crabbes Creek Cletrac

Phil Rickard
 

Very interesting Peter.

Great to hear your research is getting results. I'm looking forward to your article (as I'm sure is the Hon Editor).  . . and what a tongue-twister first thing in the morning - try saying Crabbes Creek Cletrac ten times before morning tea !

Here's hoping you can track down the holder of the original photos - with today's scanning techniques etc., even old photos can reveal lots and be fiddled with to produce superior results.

cheers     Phil Rickard


Crabbes Creek Cletrac

Petan
 

Hi Folks,

 

The topic is the Tweed district’s CSR Condong Mill / Crabbes Creek sugar tramway’s Cletrac / Cleveland Tractor Company loco whose introduction at Crabbes Creek I traced via Trove to 1921 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/191387346

 

The good news is I found a photo of it in a local Tweed library book and thought you folk might be interested. Source is Glimpses at the past : memories of the Tweed Coast and hinterland by David Rae, self-published 2010. The book’s introduction states (quote) always provided that the source is appropriately acknowledged, parts of this book may be reproduced in any genuine endeavour to research and preserve the history of the Tweed district (end quote). I take that to mean serious type research with acknowledgement is permitted thus I also labelled each page with the source. The book’s Trove reference  http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/4809734

 

I offer two Cletrac scans, from different pages of that book, to choose from on my Google Drive download site. Each page is offered in different sizes to suit your interest or download speeds. The first page has two different images of the loco. Perhaps start with the smallest to check if interested.

Smallest version 190KB https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwZ3B0c2t4cWxKRW8/view

3 MB version of same image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdWxBLVBpUDZESDA/view

42 MB version of same image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwNVpCOGNGLXNiUzA/view

 

The second page only has one image of the loco and once again different download sizes. 

Smallest to check if interested 200kb https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwNUtCUjVLbmx2Qms/view

1 MB version of same image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvweVhDX05QYkt0bGM/view

13MB version of same image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwWXNHZWJzajdVSHc/view

27 MB version of same image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwV1pkZmNhZkIxOFk/view

 

My LRRSA magazine article preparation on the Tweed is progressing.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Light Railways 257

B.Rumary
 

My copy of 257 arrived in the UK this morning.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: Light Railways 257

Frank Stamford
 


Hello Chris,

Thank you for that offer. I will pass it on to the LR Editor.

Regards,
Frank


On 30/09/2017 7:43 AM, 'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

Frank,

 

I’m happy to do proofreading, I did a few books for ARHS when Chris Walters was RD editor.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 10:51 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light Railways 257

 





Hello Chris,

On 27/09/2017 5:52 PM, 'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA] wrote:

 

Mine arrived today and I was very disappointed to find my hometown of Wollongong spelt incorrectly three times in the Industrial Railway News section.


Our apologies for causing you this diappointment. It was an unfortunate error, and since everything that appears in Light Railways is read by at least two people we would have hoped that errors like this did not slip through. May be we need more proof readers.

The error arose because the person who prepared the item was more familiar with hearing "Wollongong" spoken, rather than seeing it in writing.

As regards the progress of this issue through the mail system, Australia Post seems to have processed this issue extremely quickly.

Regards,
Frank

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2017 5:40 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Light Railways 257

 





Nobody seems to have posted a report as yet … however my members’ copy of the latest issue was in my post office Box today, Wednesday.   Thanks guys – another most interesting issue, well produced.

Hunslet.

 






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