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Re: Railway Jeep

The Bickfords <womloc4@...>
 

John D,

ARHS Bulletin for November 2000 has a large article about the North Borneo Railway under Australian Army operations, including the 'jeepomotives'.
No mention of the other 'jeepomotive' in Australia though.

LR 189, June 2006 has the article about the 'jeepomotives' used on the North Borneo Railway.
In the footnotes at the end there is a reference to the USAAF converting a jeep to use as a 'shunter' in QLD.
It also refers to the AWM neg numbers noted by John Peterson below.

Google searching for 'jeep train' or 'jeep locomotive' reveals a few other rail mounted jeeps around the world at that time.
Including use by the Allied forces in Burma (not Australians though)

cheers,
Mike Bickford
Berowra & Nalya Tramway
Sydney, Australia
www.ritginc.org

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From: "Peterson, John J" <peterson.john.j@...>
To: <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep


Hello John and others

The negative numbers at the Australian War Memorial site are:

015477; 015478, 015479

The caption says that they were adapted by the American air force engineers and shows it with US forces people. The photo shows the jeep with a trailer all with the cast wheels which there is a detail shot of the wheel in one photo. The track looks 3'6".

Hope this helps.

Cheers
John P

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From: LRRSA@... on behalf of John Dennis
Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 5:58 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Hi JohnP,

I've tried a number of combinations of search terms, and although I
can find images of the Borneo jeeps, I can't find anything from
Queensland. Can you suggest any search items, or better yet, supply
some image references?

Thanks,
JohnD

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:55:05 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@... <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> > wrote:

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P
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and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
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WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html





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Re: Railway Jeep

John Peterson
 

I have a scan from a book that has the drawings used to make the hubs for the railway wheels in borneo. The basis was a WW2 Japanese truck hub. With models of jeeps in various scales you should be able to kitbash a model exactly as the phototype did!!!!

Cheers
John P

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Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 7:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Thanks John,

My problem was that I searching for railway, not railroad...

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:42:42 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@... <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> > wrote:

Hello John and others

The negative numbers at the Australian War Memorial site are:

015477; 015478, 015479

The caption says that they were adapted by the American air force engineers and shows it with US forces people. The photo shows the jeep with a trailer all with the cast wheels which there is a detail shot of the wheel in one photo. The track looks 3'6".

Hope this helps.

Cheers
John P

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Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 5:58 PM
To: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Hi JohnP,

I've tried a number of combinations of search terms, and although I
can find images of the Borneo jeeps, I can't find anything from
Queensland. Can you suggest any search items, or better yet, supply
some image references?

Thanks,
JohnD

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:55:05 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@... <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> > wrote:

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
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WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html





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Re: Railway Jeep

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Thanks John,

My problem was that I searching for railway, not railroad...

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:42:42 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@...> wrote:

Hello John and others

The negative numbers at the Australian War Memorial site are:

015477; 015478, 015479

The caption says that they were adapted by the American air force engineers and shows it with US forces people. The photo shows the jeep with a trailer all with the cast wheels which there is a detail shot of the wheel in one photo. The track looks 3'6".

Hope this helps.

Cheers
John P

________________________________

From: LRRSA@... on behalf of John Dennis
Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 5:58 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Hi JohnP,

I've tried a number of combinations of search terms, and although I
can find images of the Borneo jeeps, I can't find anything from
Queensland. Can you suggest any search items, or better yet, supply
some image references?

Thanks,
JohnD

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:55:05 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@... <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> > wrote:

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@...
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Railway Jeep

John Peterson
 

Hello John and others

The negative numbers at the Australian War Memorial site are:

015477; 015478, 015479

The caption says that they were adapted by the American air force engineers and shows it with US forces people. The photo shows the jeep with a trailer all with the cast wheels which there is a detail shot of the wheel in one photo. The track looks 3'6".

Hope this helps.

Cheers
John P

________________________________

From: LRRSA@... on behalf of John Dennis
Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 5:58 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Hi JohnP,

I've tried a number of combinations of search terms, and although I
can find images of the Borneo jeeps, I can't find anything from
Queensland. Can you suggest any search items, or better yet, supply
some image references?

Thanks,
JohnD

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:55:05 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@... <mailto:peterson.john.j%40EDUMAIL.VIC.GOV.AU> > wrote:

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@... <mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html





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Re: Railway Jeep

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Hi JohnP,

I've tried a number of combinations of search terms, and although I
can find images of the Borneo jeeps, I can't find anything from
Queensland. Can you suggest any search items, or better yet, supply
some image references?

Thanks,
JohnD

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:55:05 +1000, "Peterson, John J"
<peterson.john.j@...> wrote:

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P
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and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
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Vintage Army munitions rail carts

John Peterson
 

I own a ex army wagon similar to this. The gauge of this is also slightly narrower than 2'; probably 600mm. Did the army have 2 gauges in use 2' and 600mm?? If so why? If these are ex munitions wagons then perhaps it might be to prevent 'non-sparkproof' 2' stock running in dangerous area?? Just a wild guess. Seems weird to having such similar gauges running.


Cheers
John P



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Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 12:01 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Vintage Army munitions rail carts x 4 available - eBay Other Railroadiana, Railroadiana, Transportation, Collectables. (end time 02-Aug-10 18:42:21 AEST)




http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-Army-munitions-rail-carts-x-4-available-/110565058685?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Transportation_Collectables&hash=item19be30e87d

evidently from the Ropes Creek narrow gauge ?????





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Re: Railway Jeep

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

G'day Mike,

Searching for "jeep" in Magindex only throws up the LR articles on
Borneo - of course it's highly possible that it could still be in an
old Bulletin, but the word was not included in the index entry.

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:50:50 +0800, "womloc4@..."
<womloc4@...> wrote:

Hi John D,

I am sure I have seen an article and photo about the use of a converted Jeep as a shunter in VIC or NSW.
Might have been in an ARHS bulletin - there was an article about the use of Jeeps in North Borneo (now Sabah) after WW11 and it may have been part of that.
Used at a military supply base to shunt mainline wagons I recall.

cheers,
Mike Bickford

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Re: Railway Jeep

John Peterson
 

There are a few photos of a converted jeep used in Qld by the US army in the AWM collection. It has cast wheels ie ones specially made for it unlike the Borneo ones which used converted Japanese truck hubs. The Qld one was photoed earlier than the Borneo conversions so unclear if they were the inspiration or just parallel thinking.

There are lots of photos on the AWM website.

Cheers
John P

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Sent: Tue 27/07/2010 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep




Thanks Neville,

I probably wasn't clear in my post. I am aware of the Borneo jeeps,
but was wondering whether they were used anywhere here in Australia.

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:50:15 +1000, "neville conder"
<nconder@... <mailto:nconder%40internode.on.net> > wrote:

Hi John
They were used by Australian forces in Borneo in WW2. There is a converted Jeep in the war museum in Canberra.
Neville
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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep



Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html





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Re: Railway Jeep

womloc4@iinet.net.au <womloc4@...>
 

Hi John D,

I am sure I have seen an article and photo about the use of a converted Jeep as a shunter in VIC or NSW.
Might have been in an ARHS bulletin - there was an article about the use of Jeeps in North Borneo (now Sabah) after WW11 and it may have been part of that.
Used at a military supply base to shunt mainline wagons I recall.

cheers,
Mike Bickford



On Tue Jul 27 12:02 , John Dennis <jdennis@...> sent:

Thanks Neville,

I probably wasn't clear in my post. I am aware of the Borneo jeeps,
but was wondering whether they were used anywhere here in Australia.

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:50:15 +1000, "neville conder"
nconder@...> wrote:

Hi John
They were used by Australian forces in Borneo in WW2. There is a converted Jeep in the war museum in Canberra.
Neville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dennis
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep



Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm
==========================================================
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html



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Re: Railway Jeep

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Thanks Neville,

I probably wasn't clear in my post. I am aware of the Borneo jeeps,
but was wondering whether they were used anywhere here in Australia.

John

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:50:15 +1000, "neville conder"
<nconder@...> wrote:

Hi John
They were used by Australian forces in Borneo in WW2. There is a converted Jeep in the war museum in Canberra.
Neville
----- Original Message -----
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To: LRRSA@...
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Subject: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep



Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@...
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
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Vintage Army munitions rail carts x 4 available - eBay Other Railroadiana, Railroadiana, Transportation, Collectables. (end time 02-Aug-10 18:42:21 AEST)

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 


Re: Railway Jeep

neville conder
 

Hi John
They were used by Australian forces in Borneo in WW2. There is a converted Jeep in the war museum in Canberra.
Neville

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Subject: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep



Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm

John
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
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Re: Railway Jeep

David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
 

John,

The North Borneo Railway had them, and is popular enough to have its own Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/North-Borneo-Railway/106035326103581

Whether North Borneo counts as Oz depends on your point of view. Geographically, maybe not, but socially, very possibly since the Jeeps were converted and operated by Australian soldiers.

David 1/2d

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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:34 AM
To: <LRRSA@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Railway Jeep

Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm

John
==========================================================
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Railway Jeep

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Hi All,

This modelling web site offers a "Railway Jeep" for sale, with the
words "This conversion was popular in France, Burma and Australia".
Does anybody know how popular it actually was here in Oz? What
railways or tramways used a jeep?

http://henk.fox3000.com/fbminis.htm

John
==========================================================
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
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Re: Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

John M.
 

By chance, I came across the book to which Scott refers. It is:
"Maria Island: A Tasmanian Eden"; Weidenhofer, Margaret; Darlington Press, Melbourne 1977; ISBN 0 9596789 0 5. I had a look on Addall and see that there is a number of copies on the second-hand market, some quite inexpensive.

John

--- In LRRSA@..., "Scott Clennett" <scottclennett@...> wrote:

Hello Michael
I guess Frank has answered your query about the book. I still have your
contact details from (it must be) about four or five years ago, and was
meaning to contact you when the book is out. But I suppose you will find
out about it anyway from the LRRSA group.
Re. Maria Island, I only have a bit about its tramway which, of course,
was associated with the cement works there. There were two distinct
periods when cement was manufactured on the Island, the first in the
late 1800s, and the second closing (from memory) in 1922. There was a
book about the Island written by Margaret Wiedenhoffer (?spelling) which
covers these periods, but it is up at our East Coast house, and we are
staying in Hobart due to my wife's ill health. This book also covers
Maria Island's early convict history, initially as an outstation from
Hobart Town in the 1820s (it pre-dated Port Arthur), and later as one of
the notorious probation stations of the late 1830s to c1850. This gets a
bit of a mention in my book. You may have stimulated my interest, and
when my rather hectic life of the moment has settled down, I might take
a closer look at the tramway.
Regards
Scott
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Sent: Sunday, 25 July 2010 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural"
Venture


Scott

Greetings from Sydney. It was great to read your recent article in LRRA.
This begs the question, is there any movement on the publication of your
work on the "Forests in Southern Tasmania".

I might have asked the question before but do you have any information
about the tramway on Maria Island. I realise that it isn't a timber line
but perhaps you might have something in your file.

Kind regards
Michael

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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural"
Venture

To Iain Stuart
I am very interested in this talk, but unfortunately live in Hobart
which makes it a bit hard to attend. As well as being an LRRSA member, I
have long been involved with EA, and often get to the Eng Heritage
lectures here and find them usually very interesting, In fact, I have
given a talk myself there on the electric trams of Hobart. I am also
interested because I have covered the Port Arthur Tramroad in my recent
writings, and although it was not quite as early as the Aust Ag Company
one, the two were certainly the earliest in the Country. If there are
any good hand-outs at the meeting, would it be possible to get copies? I
would very much appreciate any.
Regards
Scott Clennett FIE (Aust) CP Eng
34/482 Sandy Bay Road
Sandy Bay TAS 7005

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Subject: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

For those in the Sydney area

Engineering Heritage Committee Public Lecture

Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Date: Monday, 9 August 2010
Time: 6:00pm start
Venue: Engineers Australia Auditorium, Ground Floor, 8 Thomas
Street, Chatswood.
Speaker: Rod Caldwell, Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee

The venerable Australian Agricultural Company soon had its original 1824
objective of wool production supplemented by a requirement to produce
coal.
This resulted from the NSW government's aim to move the latter industry
to
the private sector.

With an opening date of 1831, the railway connecting the mine to the
Newcastle loading staiths was a structure well up to the standards of
its
European contemporaries. Archaeological evidence - to be described in
the
talk - has shown, for example, that cast iron short rail sections were
used
in much the same way as overseas.

Rod Caldwell, of the Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee, has long
been
an active worker in engineering heritage. He undertook postgraduate
studies
at the Ironbridge Institute, UK, and is well known for his work in
connection with Fort Scratchley.

All are welcome. Admission Free. Refreshments from 5.30pm

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Partner

JCIS Consultants

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PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

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Re: Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Scott Clennett
 

Hello Michael
I guess Frank has answered your query about the book. I still have your
contact details from (it must be) about four or five years ago, and was
meaning to contact you when the book is out. But I suppose you will find
out about it anyway from the LRRSA group.
Re. Maria Island, I only have a bit about its tramway which, of course,
was associated with the cement works there. There were two distinct
periods when cement was manufactured on the Island, the first in the
late 1800s, and the second closing (from memory) in 1922. There was a
book about the Island written by Margaret Wiedenhoffer (?spelling) which
covers these periods, but it is up at our East Coast house, and we are
staying in Hobart due to my wife's ill health. This book also covers
Maria Island's early convict history, initially as an outstation from
Hobart Town in the 1820s (it pre-dated Port Arthur), and later as one of
the notorious probation stations of the late 1830s to c1850. This gets a
bit of a mention in my book. You may have stimulated my interest, and
when my rather hectic life of the moment has settled down, I might take
a closer look at the tramway.
Regards
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On
Behalf Of Michael Newman
Sent: Sunday, 25 July 2010 3:37 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural"
Venture


Scott

Greetings from Sydney. It was great to read your recent article in LRRA.
This begs the question, is there any movement on the publication of your
work on the "Forests in Southern Tasmania".

I might have asked the question before but do you have any information
about the tramway on Maria Island. I realise that it isn't a timber line
but perhaps you might have something in your file.

Kind regards
Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Clennett
To: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural"
Venture

To Iain Stuart
I am very interested in this talk, but unfortunately live in Hobart
which makes it a bit hard to attend. As well as being an LRRSA member, I
have long been involved with EA, and often get to the Eng Heritage
lectures here and find them usually very interesting, In fact, I have
given a talk myself there on the electric trams of Hobart. I am also
interested because I have covered the Port Arthur Tramroad in my recent
writings, and although it was not quite as early as the Aust Ag Company
one, the two were certainly the earliest in the Country. If there are
any good hand-outs at the meeting, would it be possible to get copies? I
would very much appreciate any.
Regards
Scott Clennett FIE (Aust) CP Eng
34/482 Sandy Bay Road
Sandy Bay TAS 7005

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
[mailto:LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ]
On
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Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2010 9:59 AM
To: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Cc: Ticcih-in-oz
Subject: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

For those in the Sydney area

Engineering Heritage Committee Public Lecture

Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Date: Monday, 9 August 2010
Time: 6:00pm start
Venue: Engineers Australia Auditorium, Ground Floor, 8 Thomas
Street, Chatswood.
Speaker: Rod Caldwell, Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee

The venerable Australian Agricultural Company soon had its original 1824
objective of wool production supplemented by a requirement to produce
coal.
This resulted from the NSW government's aim to move the latter industry
to
the private sector.

With an opening date of 1831, the railway connecting the mine to the
Newcastle loading staiths was a structure well up to the standards of
its
European contemporaries. Archaeological evidence - to be described in
the
talk - has shown, for example, that cast iron short rail sections were
used
in much the same way as overseas.

Rod Caldwell, of the Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee, has long
been
an active worker in engineering heritage. He undertook postgraduate
studies
at the Ironbridge Institute, UK, and is well known for his work in
connection with Fort Scratchley.

All are welcome. Admission Free. Refreshments from 5.30pm

Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants

ABN 15 673 291 522

PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

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Re: Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Iain
 

Dear Scott



Thanks for your email and I am a bit flat out so it took me time to find the
information you asked for. The AA Tramway has been discussed in two articles
-



Longworth, J. & Shoebridge, J. 2007, "The Australian Agricultural Company's
First Incline Railway, Newcastle NSW", Light Railways, No. 194, April,



and in



D Campbell, J Brougham and R Caldwell 2009 Uncovering and understanding
Australia's first railway Australian Journal of Multi-disciplinary
Engineering, Vol 7 No 2 Institution of Engineers Australia.



As an engineer and a member of the LRSA I am hoping you can get copies of
both articles. It is certainly interesting research and findings.



With kind regards





Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants



ABN 15 673 291 522



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NSW 2134

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Re: Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Michael,

There is a lot of movement on the publication of Scott's book on timber tramways of the southern forests. I am working on the design with Scott, and it is well advanced. The remaining work to be done is to add a few photographs, refine the layout in places, add the bibliography, do the index and finalize the cover design.

Completing this will be my top priority when I get back from Norway on 12 August.

Regards,

Frank

On 25/07/2010, at 3:37 PM, "Michael Newman" <michaelnewman3@...> wrote:

Scott

Greetings from Sydney. It was great to read your recent article in LRRA. This begs the question, is there any movement on the publication of your work on the "Forests in Southern Tasmania".

I might have asked the question before but do you have any information about the tramway on Maria Island. I realise that it isn't a timber line but perhaps you might have something in your file.

Kind regards
Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Clennett
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

To Iain Stuart
I am very interested in this talk, but unfortunately live in Hobart
which makes it a bit hard to attend. As well as being an LRRSA member, I
have long been involved with EA, and often get to the Eng Heritage
lectures here and find them usually very interesting, In fact, I have
given a talk myself there on the electric trams of Hobart. I am also
interested because I have covered the Port Arthur Tramroad in my recent
writings, and although it was not quite as early as the Aust Ag Company
one, the two were certainly the earliest in the Country. If there are
any good hand-outs at the meeting, would it be possible to get copies? I
would very much appreciate any.
Regards
Scott Clennett FIE (Aust) CP Eng
34/482 Sandy Bay Road
Sandy Bay TAS 7005

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On
Behalf Of Iain Stuart
Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2010 9:59 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: Ticcih-in-oz
Subject: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

For those in the Sydney area

Engineering Heritage Committee Public Lecture

Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Date: Monday, 9 August 2010
Time: 6:00pm start
Venue: Engineers Australia Auditorium, Ground Floor, 8 Thomas
Street, Chatswood.
Speaker: Rod Caldwell, Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee

The venerable Australian Agricultural Company soon had its original 1824
objective of wool production supplemented by a requirement to produce
coal.
This resulted from the NSW government's aim to move the latter industry
to
the private sector.

With an opening date of 1831, the railway connecting the mine to the
Newcastle loading staiths was a structure well up to the standards of
its
European contemporaries. Archaeological evidence - to be described in
the
talk - has shown, for example, that cast iron short rail sections were
used
in much the same way as overseas.

Rod Caldwell, of the Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee, has long
been
an active worker in engineering heritage. He undertook postgraduate
studies
at the Ironbridge Institute, UK, and is well known for his work in
connection with Fort Scratchley.

All are welcome. Admission Free. Refreshments from 5.30pm

Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants

ABN 15 673 291 522

PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

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<mailto:iain%40jcis.net.au>

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Re: Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Michael & Valerie Newman
 

Scott

Greetings from Sydney. It was great to read your recent article in LRRA. This begs the question, is there any movement on the publication of your work on the "Forests in Southern Tasmania".

I might have asked the question before but do you have any information about the tramway on Maria Island. I realise that it isn't a timber line but perhaps you might have something in your file.

Kind regards
Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Clennett
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture



To Iain Stuart
I am very interested in this talk, but unfortunately live in Hobart
which makes it a bit hard to attend. As well as being an LRRSA member, I
have long been involved with EA, and often get to the Eng Heritage
lectures here and find them usually very interesting, In fact, I have
given a talk myself there on the electric trams of Hobart. I am also
interested because I have covered the Port Arthur Tramroad in my recent
writings, and although it was not quite as early as the Aust Ag Company
one, the two were certainly the earliest in the Country. If there are
any good hand-outs at the meeting, would it be possible to get copies? I
would very much appreciate any.
Regards
Scott Clennett FIE (Aust) CP Eng
34/482 Sandy Bay Road
Sandy Bay TAS 7005

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On
Behalf Of Iain Stuart
Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2010 9:59 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: Ticcih-in-oz
Subject: [LRRSA] Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture


For those in the Sydney area

Engineering Heritage Committee Public Lecture

Australia's First Railway: An "Agricultural" Venture

Date: Monday, 9 August 2010
Time: 6:00pm start
Venue: Engineers Australia Auditorium, Ground Floor, 8 Thomas
Street, Chatswood.
Speaker: Rod Caldwell, Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee

The venerable Australian Agricultural Company soon had its original 1824
objective of wool production supplemented by a requirement to produce
coal.
This resulted from the NSW government's aim to move the latter industry
to
the private sector.

With an opening date of 1831, the railway connecting the mine to the
Newcastle loading staiths was a structure well up to the standards of
its
European contemporaries. Archaeological evidence - to be described in
the
talk - has shown, for example, that cast iron short rail sections were
used
in much the same way as overseas.

Rod Caldwell, of the Newcastle Engineering Heritage Committee, has long
been
an active worker in engineering heritage. He undertook postgraduate
studies
at the Ironbridge Institute, UK, and is well known for his work in
connection with Fort Scratchley.

All are welcome. Admission Free. Refreshments from 5.30pm

Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants

ABN 15 673 291 522

PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

<mailto:iain@... <mailto:iain%40jcis.net.au> > iain@...
<mailto:iain%40jcis.net.au>

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Re: Going north ...

chy_gwel_an_meneth <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@..., "Frank" <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

I am heading off north tomorrow on a pilgrimage to sacred sites of 3ft 6in gauge significance. I will be back on 12 August.

As a result there will be delays, possibly up to three weeks, in handling orders placed via the Online Shop.

To clarify Frank's message - It is only the mysteries of cyberspace at the Online Shop that will defeat us during his absence . . . but, please don't be deterred! All orders via the P.O. Box 21, at Surrey Hills, Vic 3127 will be attended, together with orders via fax which will similarly be attended. And, members please note, an up-to-date Sales List will be included with LR214, due at the end of next week.

Which reminds me . . . for any members yet to renew their membership for 2010/11. Would you kindly attend soonest? If you have lost the renewal form - no problem. Just send us the $48 (cheque, Money Order, Credit card details) with a note to that effect and it will be processed. If you are no sure whether you have renewed just e-mail me at: chy_gwel_an_meneth(at)yahoo.com.au with LRRSA in the subject line. Many thanks.

cheers

Phil Rickard, Hon Secretary