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Re: Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Hi Mike
Looking on the NLA website one of the articles was about the shays for the Wolgan Valley been erected at Everley workshops for Gibson Battle.
Neville

----- Original Message -----
From: The Bickfords
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway



Hi Neville,

Gibson Battle were the agents for the Shay locomotive in Australia.

There was series of articles about the Kiama Tramway by Ken McCarthy in
Trolley Wire, issues 166,167 & 168 in 1976.
It refers to the Gibson Battle petrol electric loco and includes a photo of
the remains in the late 1950's
The loco was originally supplied in 1921 for the construction of Avon dam
and came to Kiama in 1927.

The ARHS Bulletin for October 1989 has an article by John Newland about the
various locos tendered for use at Wyangala Dam.
Included in the large list of locos offered is a Gibson Battle petrol
electric, so they must have supplied a few locos over the years.

cheers,
Mike Bickford

----- Original Message -----
From: "neville conder" <nconder@...>
To: <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway

> Hi all
> Thanks for the information on the Kiama tramway. At the museum it gave a
> timeline of all the locomotives that worked on the tramway to Pikes Hill
> down Terralong Street to the harbour and to the railway yard. I'll have to
> contact the museum to see where the information came from as it was not
> there 5 or 6 years ago when I last went there. I might have to go this
> lunchtime to see what I can find out.
> The steam shovel I suspect it might be in one of the quarries at Bombo.
> Even though Terralong Tracks was an interesting book it was a bit short on
> detail but at least it brought my attention to the tramway. Don Cottee one
> of the authors when he moved from Kiama in the 90's I had to remove wheel
> sets from under his house for the new owner. But I didn't think they came
> from Kiama as the gauge was around 2' 4" so I suspect they came from a
> factory somewhere.
> On another query in the National Library photos there are photos of the
> Nestles factory at Abbortford with a tramway running to wharf on the
> Parramatta River.
> Thats enough for today I better get back to work
> Neville
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Kendrick
> To: LRRSA@...
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
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> Hi Richard, all,
> The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a
> rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there
> is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama.
> The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines
> running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are
> visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2'
> gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would
> likely have been animal or hand worked at that level.
> -Mark
>
> On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote:
> > Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal
> combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on
> a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in
> the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the
> quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards
> from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that
> a (standard gauge) loco was used,
> >
> > Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale
> i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could
> conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair
> 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the
> quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo.
> >
> > Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram
> locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They
> were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old
> State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry
> used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well
> as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023).
> >
> > Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on
> Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor
> knowledge of where or if any company records survive.
> >
> > Richard Horne.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...>
> > Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
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> > there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well
> >
> > known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and
> >
> > wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge
> >
> > was used at Avon Dam?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark K
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> > On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:
> >
> >> Afternoon all
> >> Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
> >> It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time
> they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle,
> petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
> >> I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me.
> Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the
> tramway.
> >> Any information would be appreciated.
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Re: Kiama tramway

The Bickfords <womloc4@...>
 

Hi Neville,

Gibson Battle were the agents for the Shay locomotive in Australia.

There was series of articles about the Kiama Tramway by Ken McCarthy in Trolley Wire, issues 166,167 & 168 in 1976.
It refers to the Gibson Battle petrol electric loco and includes a photo of the remains in the late 1950's
The loco was originally supplied in 1921 for the construction of Avon dam and came to Kiama in 1927.

The ARHS Bulletin for October 1989 has an article by John Newland about the various locos tendered for use at Wyangala Dam.
Included in the large list of locos offered is a Gibson Battle petrol electric, so they must have supplied a few locos over the years.

cheers,
Mike Bickford

----- Original Message -----
From: "neville conder" <nconder@...>
To: <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway


Hi all
Thanks for the information on the Kiama tramway. At the museum it gave a timeline of all the locomotives that worked on the tramway to Pikes Hill down Terralong Street to the harbour and to the railway yard. I'll have to contact the museum to see where the information came from as it was not there 5 or 6 years ago when I last went there. I might have to go this lunchtime to see what I can find out.
The steam shovel I suspect it might be in one of the quarries at Bombo. Even though Terralong Tracks was an interesting book it was a bit short on detail but at least it brought my attention to the tramway. Don Cottee one of the authors when he moved from Kiama in the 90's I had to remove wheel sets from under his house for the new owner. But I didn't think they came from Kiama as the gauge was around 2' 4" so I suspect they came from a factory somewhere.
On another query in the National Library photos there are photos of the Nestles factory at Abbortford with a tramway running to wharf on the Parramatta River.
Thats enough for today I better get back to work
Neville
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway



Hi Richard, all,
The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a
rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there
is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama.
The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines
running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are
visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2'
gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would
likely have been animal or hand worked at that level.
-Mark

On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote:
> Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal
combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,
>
> Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale
i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo.
>
> Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram
locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023).
>
> Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on
Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive.
>
> Richard Horne.
>
> --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...>
> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
> To: LRRSA@...
> Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28
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> Hi,
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> Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed,
>
> there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well
>
> known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and
>
> wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge
>
> was used at Avon Dam?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark K
>
>
>
> On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:
>
>> Afternoon all
>> Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
>> It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time
they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
>> I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me.
Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
>> Any information would be appreciated.
>> Neville
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publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au
>
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of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management"
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Re: Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Hi all
Thanks for the information on the Kiama tramway. At the museum it gave a timeline of all the locomotives that worked on the tramway to Pikes Hill down Terralong Street to the harbour and to the railway yard. I'll have to contact the museum to see where the information came from as it was not there 5 or 6 years ago when I last went there. I might have to go this lunchtime to see what I can find out.
The steam shovel I suspect it might be in one of the quarries at Bombo. Even though Terralong Tracks was an interesting book it was a bit short on detail but at least it brought my attention to the tramway. Don Cottee one of the authors when he moved from Kiama in the 90's I had to remove wheel sets from under his house for the new owner. But I didn't think they came from Kiama as the gauge was around 2' 4" so I suspect they came from a factory somewhere.
On another query in the National Library photos there are photos of the Nestles factory at Abbortford with a tramway running to wharf on the Parramatta River.
Thats enough for today I better get back to work
Neville

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway



Hi Richard, all,
The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a
rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there
is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama.
The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines
running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are
visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2'
gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would
likely have been animal or hand worked at that level.
-Mark

On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote:
> Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,
>
> Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo.
>
> Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023).
>
> Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive.
>
> Richard Horne.
>
> --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...> wrote:
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> From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...>
> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
> To: LRRSA@...
> Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28
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> Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed,
>
> there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well
>
> known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and
>
> wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge
>
> was used at Avon Dam?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark K
>
>
>
> On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:
>
>> Afternoon all
>> Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
>> It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
>> I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
>> Any information would be appreciated.
>> Neville
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Re: Kiama tramway

Mark Trainbrain
 

Hi Richard, all,
The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama. The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2' gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would likely have been animal or hand worked at that level.
-Mark

On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote:
Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,

Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo.

Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023).

Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive.

Richard Horne.

--- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...> wrote:

From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@...>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@...
Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28
















Hi,

Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed,

there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well

known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and

wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge

was used at Avon Dam?

Cheers,

Mark K



On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:

Afternoon all
Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
Any information would be appreciated.
Neville
























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Re: Kiama tramway

rthorne475
 

Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald.  He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked).  It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,

Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama.  Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo.

Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations.  They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo.  The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A.  The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023).

Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive.

Richard Horne.

--- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick <trainbrain@...> wrote:

From: Mark Kendrick <trainbrain@...>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@...
Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28







 









Hi,

Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed,

there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well

known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and

wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge

was used at Avon Dam?

Cheers,

Mark K



On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:

Afternoon all
Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
Any information would be appreciated.
Neville
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Re: Kiama tramway

Mark Trainbrain
 

Hi,
Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed, there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge was used at Avon Dam?
Cheers,
Mark K

On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:
Afternoon all
Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
Any information would be appreciated.
Neville




Re: Kiama tramway

bjr2105
 

Neville,



Gibson Battle were a well known general machinery merchant and I remember their catalogue was a very well used document in the Babcock & Wilcox drawing office where I worked many years ago.



Have you tried searching on the NLA website? There are more than 10,000 entries for Gibson Battle there. Try the following weblink:



http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q= <http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=&exactPhrase=gibson+battle&anyWords=&notWords=&l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&fromdd=&frommm=&fromyyyy=&todd=&tomm=&toyyyy=&l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&sortby> &exactPhrase=gibson+battle&anyWords=&notWords=&l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&fromdd=&frommm=&fromyyyy=&todd=&tomm=&toyyyy=&l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&sortby=



or, if that’s too hard to copy and paste, try the abbreviated version that takes you to exactly the same place:



http://tinyurl.com/35g2fkx



Happy hunting…!



Bruce Rankin



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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway





Thanks Richard for your reply on my query.
I have been searching the web about Gibson Battle to see if they were manufacturers or just suppliers/agents. There is a photo of there factory in Sydney in 1920s and that they were taken over by Tutt Bryant in 1961. Any more information on this company and there products (possibly photos) would be appreciated.
Neville
----- Original Message -----
From: richard horne
To: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway

I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956. I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it. Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

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From: Neville Conder <nconder@... <mailto:nconder%40internode.on.net> >
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@... <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Cc: LocoShed@... <mailto:LocoShed%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16

Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville

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Re: Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Thanks Richard for your reply on my query.
I have been searching the web about Gibson Battle to see if they were manufacturers or just suppliers/agents. There is a photo of there factory in Sydney in 1920s and that they were taken over by Tutt Bryant in 1961. Any more information on this company and there products (possibly photos) would be appreciated.
Neville

----- Original Message -----
From: richard horne
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway



I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956. I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it. Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

--- On Sat, 13/11/10, Neville Conder <nconder@...> wrote:

From: Neville Conder <nconder@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: LocoShed@...
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16



Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville

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Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hunslet
 

I spent most of the day down there, in rather hot and humid conditions.

It was a most popular attraction with the general public, all internal parking having been taken by 1030 hours. A single entrance fee gave unlimited train rides throughout the day, with all three bogie passengers carriages in use.

As well as the Society's operating (2-ft-gauge and miniature) railway and stationary engine display, . there were displays from the NSW Police and State Emergency Services, Rural Fire Service, vintage cars, together with petrol and kerosene engines. The Society now has a separate "Ken McCarthy" shed containing historical displays and an operating narrow gauge model railway. The Railway Band made a special trip down from Sydney and performed frequently throughout the day.

Four 2-ft gauge locomotives were in steam and operating at various times throughout the day, with even the minute 0-4-0 box tank "Burra" running a demonstration train of four wheel skip wagons. Diesel locomotives were conspicuous by their absence, although the Simplex was on stand-by with the fire train.

I understand that this may be the last time that the "Perry" is steamed for a while as some repairs are needed to the smokebox area owing to rusting.

Very few railway "enthusiasts" made it to the site. The Museum had made special arrangements for any attending to be conducted to non-public areas in the bush in order to obtain photographs etc., away from the public - which was greatly appreciated by those who took advantage of this. During the morning, include when "Burra" made its demonstration runs, there were only two photographers; my mid afternoon, this had grown to no more than half a dozen, one of whom had made the journey from Stawell in Victoria.

My congratulations are extended to the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society for an excellent Tongarra Trainfest - the first, so I understand for some five or six years.

Hunslet.


Re: Kiama tramway

rthorne475
 

I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956.  I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it.  Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

--- On Sat, 13/11/10, Neville Conder <nconder@...> wrote:

From: Neville Conder <nconder@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: LocoShed@...
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16







 









Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville



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Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

halfpilotstaff
 

I had to miss it, as I was playing with CityRail trains.... :-(

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On Behalf Of oztrainz
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 10:20 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding
its
"Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in
steam &
in action hauling trains.
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this year, it's my wife's birthday,
my daughter has a rehearsal for her end of year dance concert, and the
Wollongong Hawks are playing.

Regards,
CS


Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Afternoon all
Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
Any information would be appreciated.
Neville


Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Chris Stratton
 

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
On Behalf Of oztrainz
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 10:20 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding
its
"Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in
steam &
in action hauling trains.
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this year, it's my wife's birthday,
my daughter has a rehearsal for her end of year dance concert, and the
Wollongong Hawks are playing.

Regards,
CS


ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

John Garaty
 

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding its "Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in steam & in action hauling trains.

The NSW Railway Band will be performing throughout the day. Police, State Emergency Service and the Rural Fire Service will also have displays on site.

If things go according to plan, some of the key events and approximate timings are:
10:00 - 11:30 - Perry "Tully 6" on passenger service
11:45 - "Burra" on coal skips
12:00 - 13:30 - "Kiama" on Passenger Service
13:45 - 4 in steam runby
14:00 - 15:00 - "Kiama" & "Cairns" on passenger service
15:00 - 16:30 - "Cairns" on passenger service

I will be available at the "Yallah" display layout in the green Museum Display building to escort photographers/enthusiasts "down bush", outside the public areas for photos/video etc of the passing trains.

Cost:
$15 Adult
$10 Child/Concession
$50 Family (2 adults & up to 3 children)

I hope to see you there,
John Garaty
"ILRMS photo guide" for the day


Re: Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

Hi Prof Klyzir,

Thank you for the feedback.

I have had a look at the article and it has some interesting info.

In answer to your question about scale, I suppose that I am working in 1:1 scale, as I am trying to build the route in Microsoft Train Simulator.

If you are interested I have a site where I have done "mainline" routes, but am now attempting a logging tramway.

The site is:

www.coalstonewcastle.com.au

Therefore the more info the better, even if it is a good educated guess.

For example some accurate info about location of loading ramps and sidings would be helpful, etc.

Thanks

Peter

--- In LRRSA@..., "John Dimitrievich" <johnd@...> wrote:

Dear Peter,



Can I suggest you locate a copy of Oct 2005 Australian Model Railway
Magazine,

I think you'll find the feature layout in that issue particularly of
interest...



What scale are you looking to model Longworths in?



Happy Modelling and Researching,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr











Re: Longworth Tramway

John Dimitrievich <johnd@...>
 

Dear Peter,



Can I suggest you locate a copy of Oct 2005 Australian Model Railway
Magazine,

I think you'll find the feature layout in that issue particularly of
interest...



What scale are you looking to model Longworths in?



Happy Modelling and Researching,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr


SMR/RVR- Help With A LRRSA Project

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee everyone,
                         I am working on a project for the LRRSA website and am requiring photographs of each type of steam locomotive used on the South Maitland and Richmond Vale Railways (excepting the 10 class).
 
  Photos can be either in service or since preservation.
  Would prefer previously unpublished ones, but this may be almost impossible with some of the older locos.
 
  And just in case that wasn't enough to ask for.
 
  I am also on the search for the technical details of said locomotive types, although Brian Andrew's book did contain as such for some types.
 
  If anyone can please help, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.
 
Regards
Brad
 
 


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Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

I am currently trying to model the Longworth tramway @ Kendall (NSW) and I am seeking help.

I have read a number of good articles in Light Raiways, (eg no 131, Apr 1991), however I am wondering anybody can supply any additional information to the following questions:

i) What was the standard curve radius? A 3.5 chain curve is referred to, but a deviation was put in place. Other curves radius?
ii) What gradients applied, specific info? One article refers to gradients as steep as 1 in 25.
iii) Any details on passing loops - length and locations? A siding is referred to in one article at Tipperary, was this a loop or a dead end?
iv) Any track plans for mill at Kendall?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks

Peter


Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

I am currently trying to model the Longworth tramway @ Kendall (NSW) and I am seeking help.

I have read a number of good articles in Light Raiways, (eg no 131, Apr 1991), however I am wondering anybody can supply any additional information to the following questions:

i) What was the standard curve radius? A 3.5 chain curve is referred to, but a deviation was put in place. Other curves radius?
ii) What gradients applied, specific info? One article refers to gradients as steep as 1 in 25.
iii) Any details on passing loops - length and locations? A siding is referred to in one article at Tipperary, was this a loop or a dead end?
iv) Any track plans for mill at Kendall?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks

Peter


Re: Mount Strickland and Mount Ritchie logging track - Marysville area

Peter Evans
 

I don't think this track has ever been closed to walkers except after the
fires. It was certainly open prior to the fires - at least it was in October
2003 when I was field-checking the feeder tramlines at the head of the
incline (and another one which junctioned some distance below the top of the
incline).



The tramway incline which forms the route of "Lowering Gear Track" was in
use by Feiglin & Sons from late 1934 until about 1944, when supplies of
timber on top of the range had been exhausted. The mill it fed on the
Acheron Way was burnt down in 1955 and the machinery shifted to Narbethong,
where it continued to operate under a number of owners until burnt down in
the Black Saturday fires of 2009.



The incline was technically interesting, in that it had a single line of
steel rails laid to a gauge of 3-ft for 440 metres, had an average grade of
1 in 4.5, and was operated by a twin-engined internal combustion winch.
There was a small mill and several huts at the top of the incline, and food
for the workers and fuel for the crawler tractors had to be hauled up the
hill. A gearbox and engine compression were the primary method of braking on
the downhill run, with a manual brake for fine speed control where required.
Most of the other inclines in the Marysville area were of the three-railed
"balanced" type which required three rails with a passing loop and the
weight of the lowered logs to haul up the empty trucks with any supplies
needed.



Judah Feiglin and his sons were masters of "bodging" the equipment needed to
keep their enterprise running smoothly, including this lowering gear system.
They would have excelled at "Scrapheap Challenge"!



Cheers,

PeterE.



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