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Re: Poverty Point bridge (Walhalla)

Frank Stamford
 

It is good to see this bridge has been redecked.

You can find some information about it in Light Railways No.28 page 20,
No.29 page 7, and very good photographs of it (before it was redecked)
in LR No.33 page 25. In a later issue of LR, which I cannot locate in a
hurry (possibly around No.55), there is a phograph of a helicopter
delivering redecking materials.

In 1969 there were rumours the bridge was going to be blown up by the
army as an exercise. I don't know whether the rumours were well founded,
but the LRRSA took action to bring the bridge's historical significance
to attention to prevent such a thing happening.

Regards,

Frank

On 23/12/2010 10:58 AM, rnveditor wrote:

Thanks Rod,
I won't need them personally, but they could be placed in an album in
the group's photos section (you have to get there via the Yahoo website).

When I was fairly new to VLRRS, people talked of the bridge in hushed
tones: nobody was sure that it existed. It was erected in the factory
yard (South Melbourne?), then each part was numbered and the whole lot
was taken in by packhorse from Toongabbie: the bridge predated VR's
Walhalla line. One senior rembered seeing the painted numbers on the
pieces in his early exploration (1930s or 40s).

I found it in 1971, by bushbashing down from the road and landing at
just the right spot.
A second attempt a few years later was less successful: I landed to
far downstream. My group waded up the river and reached the bridge.

When it became part of the alpine trail, the approach trails were
cleared on each side.

On a weekend of exploration based on staying at Rawson, LRRSA walked
in from the VR and road Thomson bridges: up Mormontown Track, then
along the former tramline to the bridge.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...> wrote:
...I may have some photos if you would like...


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

At Easter 1968 I was in the bush with a different group, and missed the Powelltown exploration hike.
The Whistlestop day was Sat.25.5.68; I was in NSW and missed it.

That now jumps to Sat.1.3.69.
My photos show this as four visits in one day:
Bus to Geelong, and start with Cheetham (included a ride)
Belmont Common: possibly for lunch
Back to Laverton for Cheetham
Finish the day at Altona explosives sidings

There will be a lot of photographs to scan, and I have jumped to one out of sequence to get started, and kept it at full size.

Far left: Keith Kings, ?, ? (possibly our host), Les Poole
Front of trolley: David Hennel, Andrew Hennell, John Withers
Rear of trolley: Possibly Barry Stewart bending over, but I can't recall him being a VLLRS person, usually ARE.
Behind the trolley: Steve Martin beside Frank Stamford
Far right: Ralph Cleary with a camera

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Poverty Point bridge (Walhalla)

Roderick Smith
 

Thanks Rod,
I won't need them personally, but they could be placed in an album in the group's photos section (you have to get there via the Yahoo website).

When I was fairly new to VLRRS, people talked of the bridge in hushed tones: nobody was sure that it existed. It was erected in the factory yard (South Melbourne?), then each part was numbered and the whole lot was taken in by packhorse from Toongabbie: the bridge predated VR's Walhalla line. One senior rembered seeing the painted numbers on the pieces in his early exploration (1930s or 40s).

I found it in 1971, by bushbashing down from the road and landing at just the right spot.
A second attempt a few years later was less successful: I landed to far downstream. My group waded up the river and reached the bridge.

When it became part of the alpine trail, the approach trails were cleared on each side.

On a weekend of exploration based on staying at Rawson, LRRSA walked in from the VR and road Thomson bridges: up Mormontown Track, then along the former tramline to the bridge.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...> wrote:
...I may have some photos if you would like...


Re: Poverty Point bridge (Walhalla) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

I have crossed the poverty point bridge during the late 90'a or early 00's, I may have some photos if you would like.

Very interesting piece of history.

Regards
Rod Hutchinson




AFAIK, the bridge had lost some/all of the timber decking.
On my 1970 and 74 hikes, before it was part of the hiking trail, I located the bridge, but didn't cross on the girders.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

From Wed.22.12.10 Melbourne 'Herald Sun'

Bridge to a golden era reopens
The Walhalla tramway bridge has reopened after the repair of damage caused by the Black Saturday bushfires. Also known as the Old Steel or Poverty Point Bridge, the 50m span, 15m above the Thomson River, was built 110 years ago for the tramway supplying timber to Walhalla during the gold mining era These days it is surrounded by Baw Baw National Park, and serves to remind bushwalkers hiking the 650km Australian Alps Walking track from Walhalla to Canberra, of Gippsland's rich goldmining history.


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have added the last four of the Ballarat tram tour.
photo 37 shows two of the ARE quartet.
photos 38, 39 & 40 included John Withers (rear view at the cab; two views leaning out of the door).
He not only attended VLRRS/LRRSA tours, he used his Landrover in the early days of Ballarat Tramway Preservation Society (now Ballarat Tramway Museum) to retrieve components, including dragging rails.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Poverty Point bridge (Walhalla)

Roderick Smith
 

AFAIK, the bridge had lost some/all of the timber decking.
On my 1970 and 74 hikes, before it was part of the hiking trail, I located the bridge, but didn't cross on the girders.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

From Wed.22.12.10 Melbourne 'Herald Sun'

Bridge to a golden era reopens
The Walhalla tramway bridge has reopened after the repair of damage caused by the Black Saturday bushfires. Also known as the Old Steel or Poverty Point Bridge, the 50m span, 15m above the Thomson River, was built 110 years ago for the tramway supplying timber to Walhalla during the gold mining era These days it is surrounded by Baw Baw National Park, and serves to remind bushwalkers hiking the 650km Australian Alps Walking track from Walhalla to Canberra, of Gippsland's rich goldmining history.


Theft of Railway Safe-working Instruments from Railway Museum

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

The Australian Railway Historical Society Victorian Division has asked that the message below be given the widest possible publicity.

I hope they are successful in retrieving these instruments and the other items.

Frank.

--------------------------------------------------------------

AUSTRALIAN RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY
VICTORIAN DIVISON INC. A0033223H
ABN 65 533 143 834
IMPORTANT NOTICE
TO ALL WITH AN INTEREST IN RAILWAY HISTORY

At some time in the latter part of the week ending 18 December the was a burglary at the ARHS Vic Div Inc Railway Museum in North Williamstown

Entry was forced into the signal box and the following items were stolen
Two Block Instruments
Two Lamps
Two Staff Exchange Boxes
One Staff Instrument Bell

From the manner in which these objects were selected and removed, it is evident that the thieves were aware of the significance and value of the objects. As they are both bulky and heavy, it is unlikely that they can be transmitted to buyers by post
The Police were notified on Saturday 18th

The Council of ARHS Vic Div Inc is determined to take all steps possible to recover the missing items and to assist the police in dealing with those responsible.

To make this possible, we are seeking your assistance to discover any information related to the theft and/or the stolen objects.

It is probable that the objects may be offered for sale we would encourage you to:
Circulate this message to all members of your organisation/business and associates, as soon as possible.
Circulate this message on any electronic net works you belong to.
Be alert to any one offering the objects for sale
Be alert for any one who has suddenly added such items to their collection
Maintain a watch on EBay and any other means of electronic sale.

Whilst we do not want your to expose yourselves to any risk, or to alert the thieves that we are on the lookout, we would certainly encourage you to discretely try to discover the identity of the people responsible and pass it advise us.
A telephone number, email address may be all we need for the police to identify the culprits.
Please advise us and/or the police if you have any suspicions or specific information.

Over the next few days this message will be sent to VicTrack, ARHS Divisions in other states, Signal Record Society, ARE, All Stall holders at the Great Railway Swap Meet, ATR, ATHRA, Railway Museums, Tourist Railways, Model and Miniature Railway groups, Auction Houses dealing in Railway ephemera, Mainline steam operators, Australia Customs.
Contact Us Direct
Phone: Ian Jenkin 03 98224940, or mobile 0420 554 288.
Email jenkin4@aardvark.net.au

Ian Jenkin, Vice President ARHS Vic Div Inc On behalf of ARHS Vic Div Council


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

Today's episode: three photos aboard Ballarat 37.
Given the sequencing, they must have been of the VLRRS portion, but the only VLRRS passenger whom I can recogise is John Prideaux (photo 35, standing, with tie). IIRC, John was treasurer at the time. I wasn't treasurer until later.
The quartet seated in the centre saloon were ARE types: Wayne Mills, Greg Dixon and Chris Dack; the obscured one just has to be Peter Clayton.
Perhaps the cooperation extended not only to sharing trams, but sharing passengers because ARE had too many bookings?

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Light railways in Port Macquarie area

bll_hnks
 

Chris,
At Harrington there is the harbour break-wall which utilized a tramway to bring down stone quarried at Crowdy Head. From memory the tramway formation is now a walking track. At the northern end where the stone was quarried you used to be able see remnants of the tramway and the quarrying. I haven't been there for many years. I didn't get to have a close look at the break-wall end.
The beach at Crowdy Head is delightful and you can walk on the headland itself.
Regards,
Bill Hanks

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Chris Stratton
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2010 2:50 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Light railways in Port Macquarie area



I'll be staying in Port Macquarie with the family next month and was
wondering if there are any light railway remains in the area worth looking
at. They would need to be easy to get to and not too far away. Bulahdelah
and Mayers Point would be too far away, but the Kendall area would be OK.

Regards,

Chris


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have made a start with the Sun.3.3.68 Ballarat tram tour.
This was described in Autumn 68 LR 23.
The first stage used four-wheel tram 21; the second stage used bogie tram 37.

From my tour file:
* Sun.3.3.68: VT. B85-ABU43-BL13(Pioneer)-BL12(Enterprise)-BV8-BV7-BV6-BV19-AV32-BV3-BV18-BV1-BC15 Melbourne - North Geelong - Ballarat - Melbourne. This was the first use of BL12 in VT since restoration. An R was planned; the B was used because of fire danger. There was a tram convoy for all passengers from the station to the gardens & return. (Apr.68 DD p32 item).
* Sun.3.3.68: ARE (58) Ballarat tram tour of the complete system. 37 & 21. There were 34 passengers; travel to and from Ballarat was on VT.
A forward run via North Geelong hints at about an 11.30 arrival in Ballarat.
I didn't mention the LRRSA tour. Clearly, VLRRS and ARE exchanged trams mid afternoon. What isn't clear: did the two travel in convoy all day, or did they go different ways, and met at a rendezvous later?

The first two photos don't contain many recognisable people, but possibly Ian Stanley is included. The third shows John Prideaux on the footpath. I suspect that it is in the second half, and VLRRS 37 is blocked from view by ARE's 21, being crossed.

I continued west on my motorcycle to photograph the declining days of steam in the Nhill area. I still had a week left before university resumed.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Light railways in Port Macquarie area

Chris Stratton
 

Thanks Bob, I'll look up those articles.

Regards,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au]
On Behalf Of Bob McKillop
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2010 8:46 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light railways in Port Macquarie area

Chris Stratton wote on 19 December:
I'll be staying in Port Macquarie with the family next month and was
wondering if there are any light railway remains in the area worth looking
at.
They would need to be easy to get to and not too far away. Bulahdelah and
Mayers Point would be too far away, but the Kendall area would be OK.

It would seem that there are some relics in the Kendall area - see LR 131
pp
11-20; LR 133 pp 21-23; LR 145, p 28; LR 150 p 36; and LR 159 p 28. You
will also
have the opportunity to ride on the recently re-opened Timbertown
Heritage Railway at Wauchope (re-launched on 15 December).
Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research editor, Light Railways


Re: Light railways in Port Macquarie area

BM
 

Chris Stratton wote on 19 December:
I'll be staying in Port Macquarie with the family next month and was
wondering if there are any light railway remains in the area worth looking
at. They would need to be easy to get to and not too far away. Bulahdelah
and Mayers Point would be too far away, but the Kendall area would be OK.

It would seem that there are some relics in the Kendall area - see LR 131 pp 11-20; LR 133 pp 21-23; LR 145, p 28; LR 150 p 36; and LR 159 p 28. You will also have the opportunity to ride on the recently re-opened Timbertown Heritage Railway at Wauchope (re-launched on 15 December).
Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research editor, Light Railways


Light railways in Port Macquarie area

Chris Stratton
 

I'll be staying in Port Macquarie with the family next month and was
wondering if there are any light railway remains in the area worth looking
at. They would need to be easy to get to and not too far away. Bulahdelah
and Mayers Point would be too far away, but the Kendall area would be OK.



Regards,

Chris


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have now scanned the last three people photos from the 'Bump in a bus' day, and placed them in my Roderick Smith album in the group's photos section. I can't identify the people. Clothing can be a clue, but the tones and similar nature of clothing being worn are not helping.
I am not going back to the Rubicon day to scan any more, as I didn't take many, and they are not people photos. As at midyear, I had only one camera, and it had expensive colour slides in it. By the end of the year, I had bought a second camera, and usually ran one with colour, and one with b&w.

I may have some of the 3.3.68 Ballarat tour. That was a Vintage Train to Ballarat, and there were LRRSA and ARE charters, and probably ones by VT itself to take passengers to the gardens. For the first time, fire-danger bans resulted in the train being diesel hauled instead of steam hauled. I was there on my motorcycle, and was continuing further west.

I missed the hike (Easter?), and I believe that I missed the Whistlestop inspection: I went privately, on a different occasion.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I am having an after-lunch coffee, so I have uploaded the next few while I am sipping.

I scanned one more of Rubicon, but have cropped rather than shrunk, in a vain effort to identify the participants. The front left could be Ian Stanley.

13 at Powelltown; I can't guess the photographer in view.
14 at Powelltown; I can't guess the foreground member; but John Withers's moustache is distinctive in the medium distance.
15a at Powellton, looking for recently-tipped bogies and other items which had been intact only a few months earlier when Frank had visited.
Eight participants: John Prideaux, Trevor Penn?, ?, John Withers, ?, ?, ? (obscured at rear), ?

The changeover from electric to diesel was to be 30.6.93 last to 1.7.94 first, but electric operation lingered through July and into August.
Electric still in use as at 19.8.
Diesel in use by Sun.5.9.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Rod and others,

Very interesting pictures.

Sa_03, the one showing the people walking along the tramway formation
is, I think, at Black Sands, but I am not sure if it is on the west side
of Black Sands Road with the people walking towards the station site, or
on the east side with the people walking in the Powelltown direction.

Sa_05 is definitely at Black Sands, east of Black Sands Road, it shows
the remains of a gravel screening plant which was near the tramway.

Sa_08a with the bus on the far left and the group of people examining
the sacred site is at Three Bridges, looking towards Yarra Junction. The
formation of the tramway (ie the sacred site) is on the right.

Regards,

Frank

On 18/12/2010 6:56 AM, rnveditor wrote:

I have added three more from the 'Bump in a bus' day, Sat.2.12.67 .

05: I am not sure what the structure is. Before I scanned, I thought
that the man was John Buckland, but I never did meet John until the
Lal Lal ironworks tour. I suspect that this photo shows a second
Lionel (not Lionel Rickard).

08a, 12 people: ?, ?, Phil Rickard, Graham or Trevor Bentley?,
possibly Peter Fraser (but I didn't think that he came on VLRRS
tours), Lionel Rickard, Richard Dempster, Trevor Penn, David Hennell?,
John Prideaux, Frank Stamford, Jeff Gardner?.

09 at Powelltown, eight people, none identifiable.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


2ft wagon on Ebay

Damien Tinker
 

Hello everyone,
This might be of interest to some of you. I found it on ebay while looking
at other things.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI
dll?ViewItem&item=300505909301&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:to
:en

I'd be keen to buy it but my wife is still getting used to having a W class
tram in our driveway.
Cheers,
Damien


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have added three more from the 'Bump in a bus' day, Sat.2.12.67 .

05: I am not sure what the structure is. Before I scanned, I thought that the man was John Buckland, but I never did meet John until the Lal Lal ironworks tour. I suspect that this photo shows a second Lionel (not Lionel Rickard).

08a, 12 people: ?, ?, Phil Rickard, Graham or Trevor Bentley?, possibly Peter Fraser (but I didn't think that he came on VLRRS tours), Lionel Rickard, Richard Dempster, Trevor Penn, David Hennell?, John Prideaux, Frank Stamford, Jeff Gardner?.

09 at Powelltown, eight people, none identifiable.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have added two more of the 'Bump in a bus' day, which was Sat.2.12.67 (removing another uncertainty from the master list). They are in my Roderick Smith album in the group's photos section.

Photo 02 shows the bus: driver, John Withers, Graham Harding and Frank Stamford.
Photo 03 shows the group hiking on what could be part of the Powelltown tram formation.
Rear right could be Lindsay Rickard, ahead could be John Gardner, ahead could be Frank Stamford. Rear left and way ahead I can't guess.

The location is before Powelltown, but after a place where we inspected a yard with logs. That location could have been Yarra Junction.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

I have just uploaded Revision 2 of the LRRSA Fifty Years of Activities list. It can be found in the Files section in "Frank's folder".

It now has details of a lot more LRRSA Tours, and I must thank Peter Evans for the details of these. His filing system is obviously much better organised than mine. This has answered all the outstanding queries on when particular trips were run, although the exact dates of some are not known. However it would seem likely there are still some missing - for instance, there are none listed for 1996, and none listed for Victoria in 1997. And I still think there are some missing for NSW, Qld and SA.

Also added are all the books published by the LRRSA (excluding special issues of "Light Railways").

What is missing are details of some of the book launches. If anyone can help with that information it would be appreciated.

Incidentally, the names of some of the tours are intriguing!

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "rnveditor" <rodsmith@...> wrote:

I have made a start on scanning a selection of photos taken during LRRSA activities.

Today's isn't LRRSA, but has strong links.
They cover part of the ceremony of PBR's reopening day from Menzies Creek to Emerald.
The two groups have always had close links; many members are dual; many things dear to our hearts are preserved and operated there; it was/is the base for LRRSA's TACL-restoration project.
Through the 1960s, PBR nurtured railway enthusiasm in a wave of baby-boomer teenagers: they went on to be active in that venture, and many others.
On this occasion, I was in year 11 and headed off for the day independently. I made many new friends, and met Frank for the first time. We had a mutual friend, Jeff Gardner (in my scout troup, and contemporary with Frank at Camberwell High, and hence part of the founding movement of VLRRS). I guess that Frank must have been first-year university at the time. We chatted on many topics of interest, and I must have joined soon after, and picked up what available back issues existed. I was particularly interested in the Port Melbourne gasworks tramway, as I had seen its tracks frequently when growing up in South Melbourne.

Undoubtedly many other future members were present on that day, and some may even be in the background in my two posted photos.

I intend to concentrate on photos which show members in action: a tree beside a crumbling formation looks much the same whenever it is photographed: put in a few members with camers, tape measures and clipboards (or gps units and laptops), and we link the location to the progress of 50 years of VLRRS/LRRSA activity.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

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