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Wodonga - Cudgewa Railway

lockeddrive <lockeddrive@...>
 

Many thanks to all respondents for the info. received.

Cheers

Claus


Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...

rthorne475
 

But don't the early 3'6"g. locos in Norway have more in common with those in South Australia that in Queensland?  Norway's Beyer, Peacock 2-4-0Ts with sloping cylinders dated from1873 and the SAR's W class 2-6-0s of 1877 were clearly a BP development of that design.  I imagine that the SAR V class 0-4-4Ts of 1876 were derived from the Norwegian 0-4-4Ts of 1875, both being built by BP.  Both systems used centre couplings, whereas QGR used buffers and screw link couplings.  I seem to recall that either John Knowles or Bill Callaghan had an interest in this, but I'm sure that you are well aware of it, too.

Richard

--- On Sun, 2/1/11, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:

From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Norwegian Museum Railways ...
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 20:47







 









Hello Brian,



Thanks for your comment.



I do not know of any books in any language covering the subject as a

whole. There are a several good histories of individual lines in

Norwegian (the Røros line in particular), and a very good (but long

out-of-print) history of the locomotives in Norwegian, but nothing

covering the subject as a whole.



At this stage I think I have most of the necessary source material, and

an outline structure of chapter headings. When I have more to show for

it I will be seeking a publisher in the UK but if necessary I will self

publish. I expect most of the market for such a book would be in Europe,

not in the southern hemisphere, though early Queensland developments

will be partly covered in the book.



Regards,



Frank



On 3/01/2011 4:14 AM, Brian Rumary wrote:

Frank Stamford wrote:
Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in
gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work.
That should be worth waiting for; I don't know of _any_ books on the
subject in English. Don't forget to let us know the details when it
finally comes out.
Brian Rumary, England
www.rumary.co.uk


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Re: 50 years of LRRSA

Roderick Smith
 

I have added the last of the Sat.1.3.69 photos taken at Belmont Common. Most of the younger people must have been BCR associates, not our own.
33a: ?, Ralph Cleary, ?, ?, ?
33b: no recognition
35: no recognition
36: Closest is Laurie Savage; distant may be Andrew & David Hennell.
37: driver John Scott
38: left to right from cab: ?, possibly Michael Menzies, Laurie Savage, ?, possibly David & Andrew Hennell.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods

Petan
 

John Browning's address & contact details are on the bottom of his emails.



Cheers

Peter C

QLD



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hart
Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2011 9:22 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods

Brian,
John doesn't live in Rockhampton these days but I'll let him enlighten you
as to his whereabouts,
Chris Hart

On 1 January 2011 22:20, Brian Rumary <brian@rumary.co.uk> wrote:


Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brian,

Thanks for your comment.

I do not know of any books in any language covering the subject as a
whole. There are a several good histories of individual lines in
Norwegian (the Røros line in particular), and a very good (but long
out-of-print) history of the locomotives in Norwegian, but nothing
covering the subject as a whole.

At this stage I think I have most of the necessary source material, and
an outline structure of chapter headings. When I have more to show for
it I will be seeking a publisher in the UK but if necessary I will self
publish. I expect most of the market for such a book would be in Europe,
not in the southern hemisphere, though early Queensland developments
will be partly covered in the book.

Regards,

Frank



On 3/01/2011 4:14 AM, Brian Rumary wrote:

Frank Stamford wrote:

Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in
gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work.
That should be worth waiting for; I don't know of _any_ books on the
subject in English. Don't forget to let us know the details when it
finally comes out.

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...

B.Rumary
 

Frank Stamford wrote:

Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in
gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work.
That should be worth waiting for; I don't know of _any_ books on the
subject in English. Don't forget to let us know the details when it
finally comes out.

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: 50 years of LRRSA

Roderick Smith
 

I am back from a boating week, so the series resumes at the correct progress date.
On Sat.1.3.69, from Cheetham Geelong the group moved to Belmont Common Railway. This was a preservation group based on the surviving equipment from the Fyansford - Batesford 1067 mm gauge line, built to haul limestone for cement making, but by then superseded by a conveyor belt.
Today BCR survives as Bellarine Peninsula Railway, on the regauged Drysdale - Queenscliff former VR line; the Fyansford cement factory has been closed and demolished.

In today's four photos, I can recognise only Ralph Cleary (busy filming on the wagon). I suspect that all of the younger people were either general public, sharing the operating session with our VRLRRs/LRRSA group, or were associates of BCR.

The driver was John Scott. He was pushing the dead Vulcan, using the Hudswell Clark, past a photoline; he misjudged the braking needed.

On a later occasion he gave me my first lesson in handling steam power. The most important lesson to learn is keeping up the water level in the boiler (ahead of proper lubrication, ahead of maintaining sufficient steam for the train to move). I still recall these lessons when aboard paddlesteamers, although these normally use feedwater pumps rather than injectors.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

Depends on what you mean by narrow gauge, Brian, when thinking of Rockhampton...

QR's 3' 6" gauge main yards and engine facilities are all under water at Rocky with enough water over the track that rail services to the south have apparently been cut. All the motive power has been moved to the Yaamba area to the north where it is comparatively dry.

The Purrey steam tram is out of service at the moment for its annual inspection/maintenance but the museum should only be affected by the flooding if it exceeds the 1918 flood levels. Maps from that flood show the water as just reaching the museum precinct.

The city is now essentially surrounded with no road, rail or air connections to the outside world, and is likely to remain so for the next couple of weeks as the floods aren't expected to peak until mid-week (Wednesday 5 Jan 2011). The sugar cane areas are a fair way north and south of the city and have their own problems... I understand that the Bundaberg Rum distillery is surrounded with water, implying that the sugar mill is also wet, but the local news only talks about the distillery.

Best wishes to all for the new year,
Lynn

The following was just posted on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo
list. Does anyone know what the situation in Queensland is regarding
narrow gauge railway matters?

Brian Rumary, England

===================================================

to: Industrial Railway Society
<IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com>
from: Bigrabbits <bigrabbits@yahoo.co.uk>
date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:33:36 +0000 (GMT)
subject: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
reply-to: IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com



Large areas of Queensland are currently flooded to unprecedented
levels.

This no doubt affects the sugar cane lines and railway preservation
sites there.

Bundaberg was listed on the news and they are arranging to evacuate
parts of Rockhampton.

Rockhampton will be known to many as the home of the Purrey Steam tram
but it is also the home of Lancashire ex-pat, IRS member and member of
this Group, John Browning.

John, we sincerely hope you are not affected by the floods and send our
Best Wishes for the New Year.

Graham, Terry and family.






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Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history

Roderick Smith
 

There were efforts to convert part to a tourist line: too much railway to maintain, too much money needed, too remote. Various rollingstock items were stored at Huon, deteriorating steadily. Some have been moved to other projects. Bridge girders were relocated to other projects.
A lot of the former line is now a rail trail, which provides most of the benefits, but at a fraction of the cost.
In September, a local committee commissioned a set of history panels of the line, erected at the site of Cudgewa station.
If you are walking or cycling the line, there are two pubs at Tallangatta, one at Koetong, one at Cudgewa, and then two in Corrying (the major regional centre which the line never reached).

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

...it would potentially have made a great tourist line...Claus


Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods

Christopher Hart
 

Brian,
I live in the Herbert district in North Queensland where the trackage is
flood damaged on a fairly regular basis, including now. Each time, It all
gets repaired and come the crushing season, it's business as usual for the
cane trains.

John doesn't live in Rockhampton these days but I'll let him enlighten you
as to his whereabouts,
Chris Hart

On 1 January 2011 22:20, Brian Rumary <brian@rumary.co.uk> wrote:



The following was just posted on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo
list. Does anyone know what the situation in Queensland is regarding
narrow gauge railway matters?

Brian Rumary, England

===================================================

to: Industrial Railway Society
<IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com<IndustrialRailwaySociety%40yahoogroups.com>
from: Bigrabbits <bigrabbits@yahoo.co.uk <bigrabbits%40yahoo.co.uk>>
date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:33:36 +0000 (GMT)
subject: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
reply-to: IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com<IndustrialRailwaySociety%40yahoogroups.com>

Large areas of Queensland are currently flooded to unprecedented
levels.

This no doubt affects the sugar cane lines and railway preservation
sites there.

Bundaberg was listed on the news and they are arranging to evacuate
parts of Rockhampton.

Rockhampton will be known to many as the home of the Purrey Steam tram
but it is also the home of Lancashire ex-pat, IRS member and member of
this Group, John Browning.

John, we sincerely hope you are not affected by the floods and send our
Best Wishes for the New Year.

Graham, Terry and family.


FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods

B.Rumary
 

The following was just posted on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo
list. Does anyone know what the situation in Queensland is regarding
narrow gauge railway matters?

Brian Rumary, England

===================================================

to: Industrial Railway Society
<IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com>
from: Bigrabbits <bigrabbits@yahoo.co.uk>
date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:33:36 +0000 (GMT)
subject: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
reply-to: IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com



Large areas of Queensland are currently flooded to unprecedented
levels.

This no doubt affects the sugar cane lines and railway preservation
sites there.

Bundaberg was listed on the news and they are arranging to evacuate
parts of Rockhampton.

Rockhampton will be known to many as the home of the Purrey Steam tram
but it is also the home of Lancashire ex-pat, IRS member and member of
this Group, John Browning.

John, we sincerely hope you are not affected by the floods and send our
Best Wishes for the New Year.

Graham, Terry and family.


Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...

Frank Stamford
 

Hello John,

Thanks for the feedback.

With regard to the Oslo-Trondheim page, I am afraid the map is not a
mistake. It is the Oslo-Bergen map recycled with the names of Trondheim
and Dombås added. As I wanted to wind that project up before the year
ended I needed to take a short cut, though I am not very happy with it.

For the same reason there is no route map of the Old Voss Railway or the
Krøderen railway, though the Old Voss Railway, especially, needs one.
Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in
gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work. As a spin-off of
that process I should be able to provide better maps on the website.

Any feedback on the need for corrections on the website is greatly
welcomed, and providing making the corrections is not too time consuming
I will happily do it.

By the way, I think the strange weight driven device in the waiting room
of Ilseng station at the Hamar Railway Museum is probably a clock, with
the clock-face on the other side of the wall in the station-master's office.

Regards,

Frank

On 1/01/2011 6:55 PM, John Dennis wrote:

Excellent work Frank,

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

One minor correction. The Oslo-Trondheim page, with the views from the
moving train, has the Oslo-Bergen map.

John

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:42:48 -0000, "Frank"
<frank.stamford@bigpond.com <mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

Over the past week I have escaped from LRRSA matters and have been
processing the photographs I took in Norway in July-August.
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au <mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Excellent work Frank,

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

One minor correction. The Oslo-Trondheim page, with the views from the
moving train, has the Oslo-Bergen map.

John

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:42:48 -0000, "Frank"
<frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:

Hello all,

Over the past week I have escaped from LRRSA matters and have been processing the photographs I took in Norway in July-August.
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history

halfpilotstaff
 

Hi Claus,

The one I have is part of a series called Country Branch Lines Victoria, published by Train Hobby Publications.

This one is subtitled "The Wodonga to Cudgewa Branch Line" - A Photographic Profile 1950s - 1979 Part 4. My guess is the "parts" refer to other branch lines covered in the series.

The book consists of large landscape format colour photos, with just enough supporting text.

I bought my copy ($39) at the ARHS bookshop in Sydney Terminal station; I would presume that most bookshops that specialise in railway publications would have it for sale.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "lockeddrive" <lockeddrive@...> wrote:

Happy New Year All.

Travelled the Murray Valley Highway yesterday ( magnificent countryside ) & noticed many old timber trestles still standing ( & some quite tall ones, shades of Colorado ! ) .

Does anyone know of any publications/ photos/ history of this line; shame the rails are gone as it would potentially have made a great tourist line.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Claus


Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

On 1/01/2011 09:47, lockeddrive wrote:
Happy New Year All.

Travelled the Murray Valley Highway yesterday ( magnificent countryside )& noticed many old timber trestles still standing (& some quite tall ones, shades of Colorado ! ) .

Does anyone know of any publications/ photos/ history of this line; shame the rails are gone as it would potentially have made a great tourist line.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Cudgewa, not Corryong. Standard reference is

The branch line : a history of the Wodonga-Tallangatta-Cudgewa railway / by Lloyd Holmes

sometimes appears on ebay, probably available from other sources, it's far from rare


Wodonga to Corryong railway history

lockeddrive <lockeddrive@...>
 

Happy New Year All.

Travelled the Murray Valley Highway yesterday ( magnificent countryside ) & noticed many old timber trestles still standing ( & some quite tall ones, shades of Colorado ! ) .

Does anyone know of any publications/ photos/ history of this line; shame the rails are gone as it would potentially have made a great tourist line.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Claus


Norwegian Museum Railways ...

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

Over the past week I have escaped from LRRSA matters and have been processing the photographs I took in Norway in July-August.

As a result I have just updated my website:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Trip_Menu.html

More specifically, the changes that have been made are:

(1) Norwegian Railway Museum:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Hamar_Railway_Museum.html

What was one page has now been expanded to about six. In many respects I think this might be one of the best set up railway museums in the world, although most of the rolling stock items are difficult to photograph due to confined space.

(2) Old Voss Railway

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Gamle_Vossebanen.html

This is a new page and relates to a standard gauge (former 3ft 6in) museum railway near Bergen.

(3) Krøderen Railway

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Kroderbanen.html

This is Norway's longest museum railway (26 km). I have added a number of new photographs, and replaced some with better ones.

(4) Trondheim Tramway

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Trondheim%20Trams.html

This is a new page and it relates to Trondheim's metre gauge electric tramway which climbs a hill on its own right-of-way, and is more like a narrow-gauge railway than a city tramway.

(5) Oslo - Trondheim

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Oslo_Trondheim.html

This is a new page, and contains shots of scenery taken from a moving train

(6) Oslo - Bergen

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Oslo_Bergen.html

This is an existing page of scenic shots taken from moving trains to which I have added some extra photos, including one of a rotary steam snow plough at Finse, which parked itself outside my window while I was having lunch in the buffet car.

(7) Lysøen

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Lysoen.html

This is the extraordinary house on an island near Bergen which was built by Ole Bull, a world famous nineteenth century violinist. The only remote connection to railways is that Ole Bull's brother was the first architect for Norwegian Railways and was responsible for almost all the railway stations in the 1860s and 1870s, but he certainly was not responsible for this strange over-decorated house!

None of that has any direct relevance to the LRRSA, but Norway may have been responsible for inflicting 3ft 6in gauge upon us.

By the way I have used the term "museum railway" rather than "preserved railway" since there seems to be an over-riding philosophy to operate these lines as they did in the past, with as little interference with the original fabric or operating procedures as possible.

Regards,

Frank


Another Theft

jf11885
 

The Builders Plate from Diesel Locomotive DH5 has gone missing (believed stolen). If anyone sees the plate inscribed with the words "Diesel, Hydraulic, Walkers Ltd Locomotive 587" we would appreciate you contacting John Hoy on +61 3 9757 0700 or email info@pbr.org.au. Your assistance in retrieving this missing Railway artefact would be greatly appreciated.

To see a photo of the missing builders plate, go to Puffing Billy's website: http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/?id=locomotivefleet


Ray Graf

Paul Dove <pd2@...>
 

This message from the Campbelltown Steam and Machinery Museum tonight. Ray will be greatly missed by all in the Light Railway circles.

It is my sad duty to inform you that Ray Graf was found deceased in his home earlier this evening. I will keep you informed of any service for Ray so that you may pay your respects.

A driving force of the raliways for many years, a very passionate light railways enthusiast and photographer, attended every rally since he joined the society, always willing to help friends, he will be sorley missed.

Regards to all,


LRRSA accolades

Iain
 

Bob,



That was me posting on the TICCIH in Oz website. TICCIH is roughly the
industrial heritage equivalent of ICOMOS (we act as ICOMOS's advisor on
industrial heritage matters) so we are focused on trying to preserve
industrial heritage around the world, and particularly in Australia.



I have always thought the LRRSA an excellent example of high quality
archaeological and historical research, an example I can only hope to
emulate in my research. The manual is a really good example of what can be
achieved. Good research is the foundation for preservation, interpretation
and management of industrial sites and landscapes.



Anyone can join in the discussion on TICCIH in OZ and if you feel up to it
join TICCIH international (it's so easy I accidently joined twice!).



Yours



Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants



TICCIH Board member

see the TICCIH in Oz discussion group at

http://groups.google.com.au/group/ticcih-in-oz?hl=en

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