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Wodonga - Cudgewa Railway
lockeddrive <lockeddrive@...>
Many thanks to all respondents for the info. received.
Cheers Claus
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Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...
rthorne475
But don't the early 3'6"g. locos in Norway have more in common with those in South Australia that in Queensland? Norway's Beyer, Peacock 2-4-0Ts with sloping cylinders dated from1873 and the SAR's W class 2-6-0s of 1877 were clearly a BP development of that design. I imagine that the SAR V class 0-4-4Ts of 1876 were derived from the Norwegian 0-4-4Ts of 1875, both being built by BP. Both systems used centre couplings, whereas QGR used buffers and screw link couplings. I seem to recall that either John Knowles or Bill Callaghan had an interest in this, but I'm sure that you are well aware of it, too.
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Richard
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From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Norwegian Museum Railways ... To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 20:47 Hello Brian, Thanks for your comment. I do not know of any books in any language covering the subject as a whole. There are a several good histories of individual lines in Norwegian (the Røros line in particular), and a very good (but long out-of-print) history of the locomotives in Norwegian, but nothing covering the subject as a whole. At this stage I think I have most of the necessary source material, and an outline structure of chapter headings. When I have more to show for it I will be seeking a publisher in the UK but if necessary I will self publish. I expect most of the market for such a book would be in Europe, not in the southern hemisphere, though early Queensland developments will be partly covered in the book. Regards, Frank On 3/01/2011 4:14 AM, Brian Rumary wrote: Frank Stamford wrote: Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work. That should be worth waiting for; I don't know of _any_ books on the subject in English. Don't forget to let us know the details when it finally comes out. Brian Rumary, England www.rumary.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: 50 years of LRRSA
I have added the last of the Sat.1.3.69 photos taken at Belmont Common. Most of the younger people must have been BCR associates, not our own.
33a: ?, Ralph Cleary, ?, ?, ? 33b: no recognition 35: no recognition 36: Closest is Laurie Savage; distant may be Andrew & David Hennell. 37: driver John Scott 38: left to right from cab: ?, possibly Michael Menzies, Laurie Savage, ?, possibly David & Andrew Hennell. Regards, Roderick B Smith Rail News Victoria Editor
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Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
Petan
John Browning's address & contact details are on the bottom of his emails.
Cheers Peter C QLD From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Christopher Hart Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2011 9:22 AM To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: Re: [LRRSA] FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods Brian, John doesn't live in Rockhampton these days but I'll let him enlighten you as to his whereabouts, Chris Hart On 1 January 2011 22:20, Brian Rumary <brian@rumary.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...
Frank Stamford
Hello Brian,
Thanks for your comment. I do not know of any books in any language covering the subject as a whole. There are a several good histories of individual lines in Norwegian (the Røros line in particular), and a very good (but long out-of-print) history of the locomotives in Norwegian, but nothing covering the subject as a whole. At this stage I think I have most of the necessary source material, and an outline structure of chapter headings. When I have more to show for it I will be seeking a publisher in the UK but if necessary I will self publish. I expect most of the market for such a book would be in Europe, not in the southern hemisphere, though early Queensland developments will be partly covered in the book. Regards, Frank On 3/01/2011 4:14 AM, Brian Rumary wrote:
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Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...
B.Rumary
Frank Stamford wrote:
Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6inThat should be worth waiting for; I don't know of _any_ books on the subject in English. Don't forget to let us know the details when it finally comes out. Brian Rumary, England www.rumary.co.uk
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Re: 50 years of LRRSA
I am back from a boating week, so the series resumes at the correct progress date.
On Sat.1.3.69, from Cheetham Geelong the group moved to Belmont Common Railway. This was a preservation group based on the surviving equipment from the Fyansford - Batesford 1067 mm gauge line, built to haul limestone for cement making, but by then superseded by a conveyor belt. Today BCR survives as Bellarine Peninsula Railway, on the regauged Drysdale - Queenscliff former VR line; the Fyansford cement factory has been closed and demolished. In today's four photos, I can recognise only Ralph Cleary (busy filming on the wagon). I suspect that all of the younger people were either general public, sharing the operating session with our VRLRRs/LRRSA group, or were associates of BCR. The driver was John Scott. He was pushing the dead Vulcan, using the Hudswell Clark, past a photoline; he misjudged the braking needed. On a later occasion he gave me my first lesson in handling steam power. The most important lesson to learn is keeping up the water level in the boiler (ahead of proper lubrication, ahead of maintaining sufficient steam for the train to move). I still recall these lessons when aboard paddlesteamers, although these normally use feedwater pumps rather than injectors. Regards, Roderick B Smith Rail News Victoria Editor
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Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
A C Lynn Zelmer
Depends on what you mean by narrow gauge, Brian, when thinking of Rockhampton...
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QR's 3' 6" gauge main yards and engine facilities are all under water at Rocky with enough water over the track that rail services to the south have apparently been cut. All the motive power has been moved to the Yaamba area to the north where it is comparatively dry. The Purrey steam tram is out of service at the moment for its annual inspection/maintenance but the museum should only be affected by the flooding if it exceeds the 1918 flood levels. Maps from that flood show the water as just reaching the museum precinct. The city is now essentially surrounded with no road, rail or air connections to the outside world, and is likely to remain so for the next couple of weeks as the floods aren't expected to peak until mid-week (Wednesday 5 Jan 2011). The sugar cane areas are a fair way north and south of the city and have their own problems... I understand that the Bundaberg Rum distillery is surrounded with water, implying that the sugar mill is also wet, but the local news only talks about the distillery. Best wishes to all for the new year, Lynn
The following was just posted on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo
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Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history
There were efforts to convert part to a tourist line: too much railway to maintain, too much money needed, too remote. Various rollingstock items were stored at Huon, deteriorating steadily. Some have been moved to other projects. Bridge girders were relocated to other projects.
A lot of the former line is now a rail trail, which provides most of the benefits, but at a fraction of the cost. In September, a local committee commissioned a set of history panels of the line, erected at the site of Cudgewa station. If you are walking or cycling the line, there are two pubs at Tallangatta, one at Koetong, one at Cudgewa, and then two in Corrying (the major regional centre which the line never reached). Regards, Roderick B Smith Rail News Victoria Editor ...it would potentially have made a great tourist line...Claus
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Re: FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
Christopher Hart
Brian,
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I live in the Herbert district in North Queensland where the trackage is flood damaged on a fairly regular basis, including now. Each time, It all gets repaired and come the crushing season, it's business as usual for the cane trains. John doesn't live in Rockhampton these days but I'll let him enlighten you as to his whereabouts, Chris Hart
On 1 January 2011 22:20, Brian Rumary <brian@rumary.co.uk> wrote:
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FW: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods
B.Rumary
The following was just posted on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo
list. Does anyone know what the situation in Queensland is regarding narrow gauge railway matters? Brian Rumary, England =================================================== to: Industrial Railway Society <IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com> from: Bigrabbits <bigrabbits@yahoo.co.uk> date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:33:36 +0000 (GMT) subject: [IndustrialRailwaySociety] Queensland Floods reply-to: IndustrialRailwaySociety@yahoogroups.com Large areas of Queensland are currently flooded to unprecedented levels. This no doubt affects the sugar cane lines and railway preservation sites there. Bundaberg was listed on the news and they are arranging to evacuate parts of Rockhampton. Rockhampton will be known to many as the home of the Purrey Steam tram but it is also the home of Lancashire ex-pat, IRS member and member of this Group, John Browning. John, we sincerely hope you are not affected by the floods and send our Best Wishes for the New Year. Graham, Terry and family.
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Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...
Frank Stamford
Hello John,
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Thanks for the feedback. With regard to the Oslo-Trondheim page, I am afraid the map is not a mistake. It is the Oslo-Bergen map recycled with the names of Trondheim and Dombås added. As I wanted to wind that project up before the year ended I needed to take a short cut, though I am not very happy with it. For the same reason there is no route map of the Old Voss Railway or the Krøderen railway, though the Old Voss Railway, especially, needs one. Later this year I hope to start writing a book on Norwegian 3ft 6in gauge railways, and that will need a lot of map work. As a spin-off of that process I should be able to provide better maps on the website. Any feedback on the need for corrections on the website is greatly welcomed, and providing making the corrections is not too time consuming I will happily do it. By the way, I think the strange weight driven device in the waiting room of Ilseng station at the Hamar Railway Museum is probably a clock, with the clock-face on the other side of the wall in the station-master's office. Regards, Frank
On 1/01/2011 6:55 PM, John Dennis wrote:
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Re: Norwegian Museum Railways ...
John Dennis <jdennis@...>
Excellent work Frank,
Thanks for taking the time to do this. One minor correction. The Oslo-Trondheim page, with the views from the moving train, has the Oslo-Bergen map. John On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:42:48 -0000, "Frank" <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote: Hello all,========================================================== John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html
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Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history
halfpilotstaff
Hi Claus,
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The one I have is part of a series called Country Branch Lines Victoria, published by Train Hobby Publications. This one is subtitled "The Wodonga to Cudgewa Branch Line" - A Photographic Profile 1950s - 1979 Part 4. My guess is the "parts" refer to other branch lines covered in the series. The book consists of large landscape format colour photos, with just enough supporting text. I bought my copy ($39) at the ARHS bookshop in Sydney Terminal station; I would presume that most bookshops that specialise in railway publications would have it for sale.
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Re: Wodonga to Corryong railway history
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
On 1/01/2011 09:47, lockeddrive wrote:
Happy New Year All.Cudgewa, not Corryong. Standard reference is The branch line : a history of the Wodonga-Tallangatta-Cudgewa railway / by Lloyd Holmes sometimes appears on ebay, probably available from other sources, it's far from rare
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Wodonga to Corryong railway history
lockeddrive <lockeddrive@...>
Happy New Year All.
Travelled the Murray Valley Highway yesterday ( magnificent countryside ) & noticed many old timber trestles still standing ( & some quite tall ones, shades of Colorado ! ) . Does anyone know of any publications/ photos/ history of this line; shame the rails are gone as it would potentially have made a great tourist line. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Claus
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Norwegian Museum Railways ...
Frank Stamford
Hello all,
Over the past week I have escaped from LRRSA matters and have been processing the photographs I took in Norway in July-August. As a result I have just updated my website: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Trip_Menu.html More specifically, the changes that have been made are: (1) Norwegian Railway Museum: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Hamar_Railway_Museum.html What was one page has now been expanded to about six. In many respects I think this might be one of the best set up railway museums in the world, although most of the rolling stock items are difficult to photograph due to confined space. (2) Old Voss Railway http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Gamle_Vossebanen.html This is a new page and relates to a standard gauge (former 3ft 6in) museum railway near Bergen. (3) Krøderen Railway http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Kroderbanen.html This is Norway's longest museum railway (26 km). I have added a number of new photographs, and replaced some with better ones. (4) Trondheim Tramway http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Trondheim%20Trams.html This is a new page and it relates to Trondheim's metre gauge electric tramway which climbs a hill on its own right-of-way, and is more like a narrow-gauge railway than a city tramway. (5) Oslo - Trondheim http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Oslo_Trondheim.html This is a new page, and contains shots of scenery taken from a moving train (6) Oslo - Bergen http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Oslo_Bergen.html This is an existing page of scenic shots taken from moving trains to which I have added some extra photos, including one of a rotary steam snow plough at Finse, which parked itself outside my window while I was having lunch in the buffet car. (7) Lysøen http://members.ozemail.com.au/~telica/Norway_Lysoen.html This is the extraordinary house on an island near Bergen which was built by Ole Bull, a world famous nineteenth century violinist. The only remote connection to railways is that Ole Bull's brother was the first architect for Norwegian Railways and was responsible for almost all the railway stations in the 1860s and 1870s, but he certainly was not responsible for this strange over-decorated house! None of that has any direct relevance to the LRRSA, but Norway may have been responsible for inflicting 3ft 6in gauge upon us. By the way I have used the term "museum railway" rather than "preserved railway" since there seems to be an over-riding philosophy to operate these lines as they did in the past, with as little interference with the original fabric or operating procedures as possible. Regards, Frank
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Another Theft
jf11885
The Builders Plate from Diesel Locomotive DH5 has gone missing (believed stolen). If anyone sees the plate inscribed with the words "Diesel, Hydraulic, Walkers Ltd Locomotive 587" we would appreciate you contacting John Hoy on +61 3 9757 0700 or email info@pbr.org.au. Your assistance in retrieving this missing Railway artefact would be greatly appreciated.
To see a photo of the missing builders plate, go to Puffing Billy's website: http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/?id=locomotivefleet
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Ray Graf
Paul Dove <pd2@...>
This message from the Campbelltown Steam and Machinery Museum tonight. Ray will be greatly missed by all in the Light Railway circles.
It is my sad duty to inform you that Ray Graf was found deceased in his home earlier this evening. I will keep you informed of any service for Ray so that you may pay your respects. A driving force of the raliways for many years, a very passionate light railways enthusiast and photographer, attended every rally since he joined the society, always willing to help friends, he will be sorley missed. Regards to all,
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LRRSA accolades
Iain
Bob,
That was me posting on the TICCIH in Oz website. TICCIH is roughly the industrial heritage equivalent of ICOMOS (we act as ICOMOS's advisor on industrial heritage matters) so we are focused on trying to preserve industrial heritage around the world, and particularly in Australia. I have always thought the LRRSA an excellent example of high quality archaeological and historical research, an example I can only hope to emulate in my research. The manual is a really good example of what can be achieved. Good research is the foundation for preservation, interpretation and management of industrial sites and landscapes. Anyone can join in the discussion on TICCIH in OZ and if you feel up to it join TICCIH international (it's so easy I accidently joined twice!). Yours Dr Iain Stuart Partner JCIS Consultants TICCIH Board member see the TICCIH in Oz discussion group at http://groups.google.com.au/group/ticcih-in-oz?hl=en
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