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Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I am having an after-lunch coffee, so I have uploaded the next few while I am sipping.

I scanned one more of Rubicon, but have cropped rather than shrunk, in a vain effort to identify the participants. The front left could be Ian Stanley.

13 at Powelltown; I can't guess the photographer in view.
14 at Powelltown; I can't guess the foreground member; but John Withers's moustache is distinctive in the medium distance.
15a at Powellton, looking for recently-tipped bogies and other items which had been intact only a few months earlier when Frank had visited.
Eight participants: John Prideaux, Trevor Penn?, ?, John Withers, ?, ?, ? (obscured at rear), ?

The changeover from electric to diesel was to be 30.6.93 last to 1.7.94 first, but electric operation lingered through July and into August.
Electric still in use as at 19.8.
Diesel in use by Sun.5.9.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Rod and others,

Very interesting pictures.

Sa_03, the one showing the people walking along the tramway formation
is, I think, at Black Sands, but I am not sure if it is on the west side
of Black Sands Road with the people walking towards the station site, or
on the east side with the people walking in the Powelltown direction.

Sa_05 is definitely at Black Sands, east of Black Sands Road, it shows
the remains of a gravel screening plant which was near the tramway.

Sa_08a with the bus on the far left and the group of people examining
the sacred site is at Three Bridges, looking towards Yarra Junction. The
formation of the tramway (ie the sacred site) is on the right.

Regards,

Frank

On 18/12/2010 6:56 AM, rnveditor wrote:

I have added three more from the 'Bump in a bus' day, Sat.2.12.67 .

05: I am not sure what the structure is. Before I scanned, I thought
that the man was John Buckland, but I never did meet John until the
Lal Lal ironworks tour. I suspect that this photo shows a second
Lionel (not Lionel Rickard).

08a, 12 people: ?, ?, Phil Rickard, Graham or Trevor Bentley?,
possibly Peter Fraser (but I didn't think that he came on VLRRS
tours), Lionel Rickard, Richard Dempster, Trevor Penn, David Hennell?,
John Prideaux, Frank Stamford, Jeff Gardner?.

09 at Powelltown, eight people, none identifiable.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


2ft wagon on Ebay

Damien Tinker
 

Hello everyone,
This might be of interest to some of you. I found it on ebay while looking
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I'd be keen to buy it but my wife is still getting used to having a W class
tram in our driveway.
Cheers,
Damien


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have added three more from the 'Bump in a bus' day, Sat.2.12.67 .

05: I am not sure what the structure is. Before I scanned, I thought that the man was John Buckland, but I never did meet John until the Lal Lal ironworks tour. I suspect that this photo shows a second Lionel (not Lionel Rickard).

08a, 12 people: ?, ?, Phil Rickard, Graham or Trevor Bentley?, possibly Peter Fraser (but I didn't think that he came on VLRRS tours), Lionel Rickard, Richard Dempster, Trevor Penn, David Hennell?, John Prideaux, Frank Stamford, Jeff Gardner?.

09 at Powelltown, eight people, none identifiable.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 2

Roderick Smith
 

I have added two more of the 'Bump in a bus' day, which was Sat.2.12.67 (removing another uncertainty from the master list). They are in my Roderick Smith album in the group's photos section.

Photo 02 shows the bus: driver, John Withers, Graham Harding and Frank Stamford.
Photo 03 shows the group hiking on what could be part of the Powelltown tram formation.
Rear right could be Lindsay Rickard, ahead could be John Gardner, ahead could be Frank Stamford. Rear left and way ahead I can't guess.

The location is before Powelltown, but after a place where we inspected a yard with logs. That location could have been Yarra Junction.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

I have just uploaded Revision 2 of the LRRSA Fifty Years of Activities list. It can be found in the Files section in "Frank's folder".

It now has details of a lot more LRRSA Tours, and I must thank Peter Evans for the details of these. His filing system is obviously much better organised than mine. This has answered all the outstanding queries on when particular trips were run, although the exact dates of some are not known. However it would seem likely there are still some missing - for instance, there are none listed for 1996, and none listed for Victoria in 1997. And I still think there are some missing for NSW, Qld and SA.

Also added are all the books published by the LRRSA (excluding special issues of "Light Railways").

What is missing are details of some of the book launches. If anyone can help with that information it would be appreciated.

Incidentally, the names of some of the tours are intriguing!

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@..., "rnveditor" <rodsmith@...> wrote:

I have made a start on scanning a selection of photos taken during LRRSA activities.

Today's isn't LRRSA, but has strong links.
They cover part of the ceremony of PBR's reopening day from Menzies Creek to Emerald.
The two groups have always had close links; many members are dual; many things dear to our hearts are preserved and operated there; it was/is the base for LRRSA's TACL-restoration project.
Through the 1960s, PBR nurtured railway enthusiasm in a wave of baby-boomer teenagers: they went on to be active in that venture, and many others.
On this occasion, I was in year 11 and headed off for the day independently. I made many new friends, and met Frank for the first time. We had a mutual friend, Jeff Gardner (in my scout troup, and contemporary with Frank at Camberwell High, and hence part of the founding movement of VLRRS). I guess that Frank must have been first-year university at the time. We chatted on many topics of interest, and I must have joined soon after, and picked up what available back issues existed. I was particularly interested in the Port Melbourne gasworks tramway, as I had seen its tracks frequently when growing up in South Melbourne.

Undoubtedly many other future members were present on that day, and some may even be in the background in my two posted photos.

I intend to concentrate on photos which show members in action: a tree beside a crumbling formation looks much the same whenever it is photographed: put in a few members with camers, tape measures and clipboards (or gps units and laptops), and we link the location to the progress of 50 years of VLRRS/LRRSA activity.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Roderick Smith
 

I have made a start on scanning a selection of photos taken during LRRSA activities.

Today's isn't LRRSA, but has strong links.
They cover part of the ceremony of PBR's reopening day from Menzies Creek to Emerald.
The two groups have always had close links; many members are dual; many things dear to our hearts are preserved and operated there; it was/is the base for LRRSA's TACL-restoration project.
Through the 1960s, PBR nurtured railway enthusiasm in a wave of baby-boomer teenagers: they went on to be active in that venture, and many others.
On this occasion, I was in year 11 and headed off for the day independently. I made many new friends, and met Frank for the first time. We had a mutual friend, Jeff Gardner (in my scout troup, and contemporary with Frank at Camberwell High, and hence part of the founding movement of VLRRS). I guess that Frank must have been first-year university at the time. We chatted on many topics of interest, and I must have joined soon after, and picked up what available back issues existed. I was particularly interested in the Port Melbourne gasworks tramway, as I had seen its tracks frequently when growing up in South Melbourne.

Undoubtedly many other future members were present on that day, and some may even be in the background in my two posted photos.

I intend to concentrate on photos which show members in action: a tree beside a crumbling formation looks much the same whenever it is photographed: put in a few members with camers, tape measures and clipboards (or gps units and laptops), and we link the location to the progress of 50 years of VLRRS/LRRSA activity.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

--- In LRRSA@..., "rnveditor" <rodsmith@...> wrote:

I can find only one Bogong tour listed: my memory is that there were at least three. Aha: that is Wombat Woodline & Water Race.
Wombat being the railway at Leneva, not Wombat State Forest.

The Lysterfield morning is missing.
OK, I have uploaded a Revision 1a, and included Lysterfield and the other trips you mentioned in your later email under "Unknown significant dates" at the end of the document. Hopefully we will be able to find dates for them.


The Cheetham day also took in Belmont Common Railway.
Noted, I have amended this in Revision 1a.


There are references to the Ada Valley reports, but not to the tour in mostly 4wd vehicles, including Alan's Unimog. I was in the only 2wd (a Mini Moke, driven by Arthur). We got through nearly the whole course, then wallowed into the mud in one dip. It took two Landrovers coupled to drag us out. IIRC one of them belonged to John Withers.
Yes that trip - which was unique in many ways - is listed, under "Upper Yarra Spectacular" 12 Apr 1970. There were three Land Rovers, Alan's Haflinger (not Unimog), and a Mini Moke.


Regards,

Frank


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Roderick Smith
 

I have put up all six photos which are on the hard drive already. They are in a new Roderick Smith album. My existing photos are in thematic albums: Port Melbourne (not an LRRSA tour), and Lakes Entrance (one was taken during a tour, but isn't of sufficient significance to be considered for the book).
I don't know why I scanned them, as they weren't placed with LRRSA at the time.

I have lots more prints available, but not yet scanned. Slides will be slower.

Two more missed trips?
A West Warburton, including hiking up a zig zag.
A weekend based on Mansfield: Samaria plateau, and a tram off Howqua River.

In the rubicon 'tram' photo: AFAIK the face rhs is Murray (Felstead?). The eyes and nose lhs must be Andrew Hennell, so one of the pairs of glasses must be David Hennell.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Roderick Smith
 

I can find only one Bogong tour listed: my memory is that there were at least three. Aha: that is Wombat Woodline & Water Race.
Wombat being the railway at Leneva, not Wombat State Forest.

The Lysterfield morning is missing.

The Cheetham day also took in Belmont Common Railway.

I should be able to find the Yallourn cessation date, but not in a few minutes.

There are references to the Ada Valley reports, but not to the tour in mostly 4wd vehicles, including Alan's Unimog. I was in the only 2wd (a Mini Moke, driven by Arthur). We got through nearly the whole course, then wallowed into the mud in one dip. It took two Landrovers coupled to drag us out. IIRC one of them belonged to John Withers.

I will workshop a few photos through the photos section, as time permits.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities - Revision 1

Frank Stamford
 

Following Rod's message I have looked at the list of tours in "Five to 500" and found a lot that were not included in the Fifty Year document I prepared.

I have therefore produced the First revision of the list, which can be found in "Frank's folder" in the Files section of this Yahoo Group.

I have also deleted the first version of the document.

I still believe there are many LRRSA trips missing from the second 25 years.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@..., Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:


Hello Rod,

Thanks for that.

I cannot help with the GGGs, hopefully others can.

Thanks for the information on the June 1975 Tasmanian trip, that was
a significant omission.

Regards,

Frank


At 07:03 AM 15/12/2010, you wrote:


I am trying to unscramble the Grand Gippsland Gallivants.

One of them took in Port Welshpool, Port Albert?
One of them took in Wonthaggi & Kilcunda (or was that the return
from Port Albert?)

One of them was based at Lakes Entrance, with charter ferry up North
Arm to Mississippi Creek, and to an island; then we walked the
tramway next day.

On trip missing: Queens Birthday 1975.
Friday night: fly into Devonport, overnight in Formby Hotel.
Saturday: Two? hired cars to Hobart & Ida Bay, including a ride.
Overnight in a Hobart hotel.
Sunday: to Zeehan, and inspect remains, also Williamsford.
Monday: to Devonport and home.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


New file uploaded to LRRSA

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Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Rod,

Thanks for that.

I cannot help with the GGGs, hopefully others can.

Thanks for the information on the June 1975 Tasmanian trip, that was a significant omission.

Regards,

Frank

At 07:03 AM 15/12/2010, you wrote:


I am trying to unscramble the Grand Gippsland Gallivants.

One of them took in Port Welshpool, Port Albert?
One of them took in Wonthaggi & Kilcunda (or was that the return from Port Albert?)

One of them was based at Lakes Entrance, with charter ferry up North Arm to Mississippi Creek, and to an island; then we walked the tramway next day.

On trip missing: Queens Birthday 1975.
Friday night: fly into Devonport, overnight in Formby Hotel.
Saturday: Two? hired cars to Hobart & Ida Bay, including a ride. Overnight in a Hobart hotel.
Sunday: to Zeehan, and inspect remains, also Williamsford.
Monday: to Devonport and home.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities

Roderick Smith
 

I am trying to unscramble the Grand Gippsland Gallivants.

One of them took in Port Welshpool, Port Albert?
One of them took in Wonthaggi & Kilcunda (or was that the return from Port Albert?)

One of them was based at Lakes Entrance, with charter ferry up North Arm to Mississippi Creek, and to an island; then we walked the tramway next day.

On trip missing: Queens Birthday 1975.
Friday night: fly into Devonport, overnight in Formby Hotel.
Saturday: Two? hired cars to Hobart & Ida Bay, including a ride. Overnight in a Hobart hotel.
Sunday: to Zeehan, and inspect remains, also Williamsford.
Monday: to Devonport and home.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all (again!),

To clarify my last message, the document can be found in the Files section of this Yahoo Group under "Frank's Files".

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@..., "Frank" <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

Hello all,

At the last LRRSA Council Meeting it was agreed we should produce a fiftieth anniversary publication in "Light Railways" format which would partly be an updated version of the front section of our 25th Anniversary Publication "Five to 500" and partly a photo feature. The latter may be in the format of one photograph for each of the 50 years with a list of key events in that year.

I seem to have the job of putting this together, and to that end I have come up with the attached document as a first step - trying to identify key events of relevance in each year. To do this I have gone through every issue of "Light Railways" and "Light Railway News" - but because of the volume of material I have not been able to read them in detail but rather peruse the headings and relevant photo captions. So it is undoubtedly incomplete, and it will be affected by my own biases or special interests.

So if you can add important missing events I would appreciate it. "Five to 500" identified all the special tours and site visits that were run in the first 25 years, but I am sure many are missing from the second 25 years on the attached document. LR and LRN should be a document of record of all LRRSA tours and site visits but many seem to have been run without a report being published.

If you know of any good photographs that illustrate significant events - especially Society tours - please let me know. I am especially interested in photographs taken on Society events in states other than Victoria. I know some particularly interesting visits were organised in NSW, Qld and South Australia but I don't have ready access to suitable photographs.

Regards,

Frank


Fifty years of LRRSA - events and activities

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

At the last LRRSA Council Meeting it was agreed we should produce a fiftieth anniversary publication in "Light Railways" format which would partly be an updated version of the front section of our 25th Anniversary Publication "Five to 500" and partly a photo feature. The latter may be in the format of one photograph for each of the 50 years with a list of key events in that year.

I seem to have the job of putting this together, and to that end I have come up with the attached document as a first step - trying to identify key events of relevance in each year. To do this I have gone through every issue of "Light Railways" and "Light Railway News" - but because of the volume of material I have not been able to read them in detail but rather peruse the headings and relevant photo captions. So it is undoubtedly incomplete, and it will be affected by my own biases or special interests.

So if you can add important missing events I would appreciate it. "Five to 500" identified all the special tours and site visits that were run in the first 25 years, but I am sure many are missing from the second 25 years on the attached document. LR and LRN should be a document of record of all LRRSA tours and site visits but many seem to have been run without a report being published.

If you know of any good photographs that illustrate significant events - especially Society tours - please let me know. I am especially interested in photographs taken on Society events in states other than Victoria. I know some particularly interesting visits were organised in NSW, Qld and South Australia but I don't have ready access to suitable photographs.

Regards,

Frank


New file uploaded to LRRSA

LRRSA@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Alexandra Timber Mill

Bill Russell
 

G'day All,

It was reported on Monday Noght's ABC2 news that the timber mill at Alexandra is
closing. This will be devastating to the inhabitnts, some of whom are our members.

Regards

Bill Russell


Re: Walhalla Goldfields Railway - new DH class loco

John Cleverdon <johnc@...>
 

That clears things up ... the 4WD group I'm in went to Walhalla and
Matlock and Walhalla last Saturday (much better weather than it is today
:-) ).

While passing Walhalla station, there was another DH-style loco in the
yard and I was wondering what it was. Reading the item in the latest
/Motive Power/ and your posting, I now know what it is.

Regards,
John
--
John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria
John's web page: http://users.cdi.com.au/~johnc/


Re: Cane Train slide on Ebay

John Browning
 

It looks like Hawaii to me.



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