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Re: Pyrmont CSR

Kevin Sewell
 

This is only a puzzle piece, not an exhaustive solution to your question.

My father worked for CSR Chemicals at Lane Cove from about the mid 1950s to when the plant closed and merged with the much bigger CSRC plant at Rhodes. Up until about the mid to late 60s (unsure exactly) molasses was brought to CSRC Lane Cove by barge, up the Lane Cove river to CSRC's wharf, from where it was transferred for use in the plant. I only remember being taken down to see the wharf as a little kid, and didn't see the barges, but probably they only travelled weekdays and I was only there weekends with dad. I have no idea what the molasses was used for, or what process it went into. I think it extraordinarily unlikely to have been domestic/shop retail. It must have been some chemical process/product.
I have no idea how the molasses was transported on the barge - probably not bulk tanks, and certainly not ISO containers. It may have been barrels or casks. CSRC had an in-house cooper up until the late 60s.
Where the molasses came from, I don't know. Possibly from Pyrmont sugar refinery, or possibly off loaded at the refinery from ships directly onto barges for movement up the river to Lane Cove ... don't know. Whether it came from Condong, I don't know. (don't know much do I!!) CSRC would hardly be likely to be buying someone else's molasses so presumably it came from a CSR mill ... quite possibly Condong.
My father was an instrument technician (fancy F&T!!!) and was rostered once a month to go in for several hours Sat and Sun to walk around the entire factory changing and collecting the paper charts that recorded everything to do with the processes (they had to be changed every 24hours). I used to sometimes go with him, riding on his Vespa motor scooter from Lindfield to Lane Cove. I vividly remember the all-consuming overpowering smell of the molass walking around down in that part of the plant. If think very hard about it, I can still smell it - it has burned the smell-image into my brain forever. Even I as a child I could tell which part of the plant we were in from the chemical's smells.
The molasses was stored in huge tanks, maybe 20 or 30m high and about 10m diameter with rounded tops and bottoms. I think there was about 8 or 10 of them. As I said, I don't know how the molasses got from barge to tanks, but I very vaguely recall there being a pipeline, possibly also a steam line going down through the bush to the wharf, so maybe it was steam heated to make it more runny. Don't know ... much. It is possible that CSRC was the sole customer of Condong's molasses, in which case it might never have hit land until off-loaded at Lane Cove.
As I said puzzle piece, not solution.



On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 at 9:54 PM, 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Can those who knew Pyrmont in Sydney during the CSR refinery era please help (confirm yes or no) the results of  my following investigations. It is to do with an article on Condong in the CSR era. I live near Coolangatta Tweed Heads.

 

CSR was located with its own ocean going capable ship capable wharf at Pyrmont on the left hand side inbound as you crossed the Victoria Rd bridge, coming from Hunters Hill direction. (Yes or No)

 

The Metropolitan Goods Line, as shown on Hairylegs (Thanks John P.) did not provide a siding for CSR at Pyrmont and the closest siding would have been somewhere like Darling Harbour. (yes or No)

 

If both above are true, then any bagged sugar dispatched from Condong via the NSWGR needed transhipping at Darling Harbour or maybe Rozelle after that yard opened.

 

If above true, and no rail siding for CSR at Pyrmont, what happened with the molasses railed south from Condong? The 1961 NSWGR Local Appendix to the Northern Division Working Timetable P.330 reveals a molasses loading point with 6 outlets was provided at the Condong mill.. Things must have changed as photo from 1969 only shows four outlets. The molasses was noted in the LA-WTT as being loaded into MX type Railway Tankers.

 

I have also consulted the Metropolitan Goods Line article and diagrams in ARH 2016.  

 

Thanks

Peter Cokley

 

 

 

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Don't just answer the question, question the answer.


Re: : Pyrmont CSR

Tom Jessop
 

This map may be of assistance , The City of Sydney  Historical maps web site has many maps available almost back to the first fleet  .   http://atlas.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/maps/city-of-sydney-building-surveyors-detail-sheets-1949-1972/city-of-sydney-building-surveyors-detail-sheets-1949-1972-sheet-5-pyrmont/

Back in the mid 50s when I was a mere boy my father worked for J&A Brown in Sydney & there was one of the many wharf strikes in progress , Salaried staff were used to move the SS Wallarah  from Balls head to CSR Pyrmont & I was lucky to be taken along also . I can remember tieing up at either wharf 28 ,29  or 30 which were opposite the coal bin for the power house .


Re: Pyrmont CSR

Noel Reed
 

Hello Peter and all,

One of my 1943-1947 high school friends worked with CSR Pyrmont and I believe that he was also at CSR establishments in northern NSW and Queensland at various times.

He still lives in retirement in our area and if I can get specific queries about Pyrmont , he may have some answers which I can pass on.

Noel Reed.

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2018 9:54 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Pyrmont CSR

 

 

Can those who knew Pyrmont in Sydney during the CSR refinery era please help (confirm yes or no) the results of  my following investigations. It is to do with an article on Condong in the CSR era. I live near Coolangatta Tweed Heads.

 

CSR was located with its own ocean going capable ship capable wharf at Pyrmont on the left hand side inbound as you crossed the Victoria Rd bridge, coming from Hunters Hill direction. (Yes or No)

 

The Metropolitan Goods Line, as shown on Hairylegs (Thanks John P.) did not provide a siding for CSR at Pyrmont and the closest siding would have been somewhere like Darling Harbour. (yes or No)

 

If both above are true, then any bagged sugar dispatched from Condong via the NSWGR needed transhipping at Darling Harbour or maybe Rozelle after that yard opened.

 

If above true, and no rail siding for CSR at Pyrmont, what happened with the molasses railed south from Condong? The 1961 NSWGR Local Appendix to the Northern Division Working Timetable P.330 reveals a molasses loading point with 6 outlets was provided at the Condong mill.. Things must have changed as photo from 1969 only shows four outlets. The molasses was noted in the LA-WTT as being loaded into MX type Railway Tankers.

 

I have also consulted the Metropolitan Goods Line article and diagrams in ARH 2016.  

 

Thanks

Peter Cokley

 

 

 


Posted by: "Peter Cokley"



Pyrmont CSR

Petan
 

Can those who knew Pyrmont in Sydney during the CSR refinery era please help (confirm yes or no) the results of  my following investigations. It is to do with an article on Condong in the CSR era. I live near Coolangatta Tweed Heads.

 

CSR was located with its own ocean going capable ship capable wharf at Pyrmont on the left hand side inbound as you crossed the Victoria Rd bridge, coming from Hunters Hill direction. (Yes or No)

 

The Metropolitan Goods Line, as shown on Hairylegs (Thanks John P.) did not provide a siding for CSR at Pyrmont and the closest siding would have been somewhere like Darling Harbour. (yes or No)

 

If both above are true, then any bagged sugar dispatched from Condong via the NSWGR needed transhipping at Darling Harbour or maybe Rozelle after that yard opened.

 

If above true, and no rail siding for CSR at Pyrmont, what happened with the molasses railed south from Condong? The 1961 NSWGR Local Appendix to the Northern Division Working Timetable P.330 reveals a molasses loading point with 6 outlets was provided at the Condong mill. Things must have changed as photo from 1969 only shows four outlets. The molasses was noted in the LA-WTT as being loaded into MX type Railway Tankers.

 

I have also consulted the Metropolitan Goods Line article and diagrams in ARH 2016.  

 

Thanks

Peter Cokley

 

 

 


Describing the TBM route of the Perth City Rail Tunnel

Philip G Graham
 

For a future article in preparation. Are there any members or subscribers to this group who may be, or know of, train drivers on the Perth Metro network who could help with a description of a journey through the bored section of tunnel on the Perth MetroRail City Project, Public Transport Authority, Perth WA AU, Package F, Esplanade~Perth Yard.

I am interested in obtaining a list of kilometer markers in relation to the interior tunnel features, and the transition points between the segmented ring section tunnel, station boxes and the roadheader and cut and cover sections at each end. This will be to round off a description of the equipment used to construct this tunnel section.

Any help gratefully received. Contact me off-group, please.

-PGG-



Re: : A small request - YouTube

john_raby
 

Many thanks for this plug. We have passed the YouTube deadline for me to have 1000 subscribers and I have only 786 which is an improvement from the original 600+ but not enough. My channel can still be viewed on YouTube and it would be nice to get to 1000 eventually - the link is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z8-l1CDAMKQR5QM4fVqOQ
I'd appreciate it if you would sign up.

Ideally, I would like to reach 1000 AND continue to upload my DVD collection to YouTube. I'll give it a few months more before making a final decision about what to do. 

You can see all my DVDs listed here http://rabylee.uk/alldvds.html and I would be happy to receive requests to upload any not already on YouTube. Please email john@... with any requests.

Best wishes
John


 


Sydney Water archival images

Stuart Thyer
 

For those interested in the light railway aspects of construction projects and operational tramways managed over the years by Sydney Water. The archive has been most helpful to Light Railways on occasion, the most recent being Ron Madden’s article on the Botany sewage operations.

RAHS/ASHET Evening Lecture - Photographing Sydney's Water History
Thursday 22 March @ 5.30pm for 6pm - 7pm
History House, 133 Macquarie Street, Sydney
Presenters: Jeanette Komli and Phil Bennett
Cost: Members $10 and Friends $12
This presentation will illustrate what is held in the Sydney Water / WaterNSW Historical Research Archive collection and will highlight how it tells the story of Sydney’s water supply from the Upper Nepean Scheme to Warragamba Dam. The basis of this collection is the many photographs taken by the Water Board’s Photography Section from 1893-1991.


An interesting job on offer (NSW)

Stuart Thyer
 

Not strictly on topic, but such an unusual offering for those in NSW.  https://www.jobs.davidsonwp.com/transport-shipping-logistics-jobs/photographic-and-database-officer/1597781


Re: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC; more photographs from Wales.

Kevin Sewell
 



On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:02 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Michael,

I've never been to that line - but your lovely photos have prompted me to add it to the list for our next visit to the UK. It looks spectacular indeed.

John

On 19 February 2018 at 12:09, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Dear all,


Apologies for filling your inbox with emails that aren't relevant to the Australian Light Railways scene.

Of late I've been getting really interested in the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad in Maine USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_River_and_Rangeley_Lakes_Railroad

I am planning a trip to Maine at some point to have a look at the three or four preservation sites in due course...

In the meantime I have been to have a look at the Brecon Mountain Railway near Merthyr Tydfil in South Wales. https://bmr.wales/
This was one of those places I've known about for years but have never been to.

It was a long day driving there from Porthmadog, but well worth it; their Baldwin tender locomotive was amazingly clean, and very impressive with an American chime whistle. The weather, whilst bright, was bitterly cold. I liked the railway so much I went for a second ride but on the footplate.

I also had a quick look round their works where another Baldwin is nearing the end of a long rebuild.

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr. Have a look if you're interested:


Cheers,

Michael Chapman, UK.





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Cheers,
Kevin

Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement.


Re: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC; more photographs from Wales.

John Dennis
 

Thanks Michael,

I've never been to that line - but your lovely photos have prompted me to add it to the list for our next visit to the UK. It looks spectacular indeed.

John

On 19 February 2018 at 12:09, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Dear all,


Apologies for filling your inbox with emails that aren't relevant to the Australian Light Railways scene.

Of late I've been getting really interested in the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad in Maine USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_River_and_Rangeley_Lakes_Railroad

I am planning a trip to Maine at some point to have a look at the three or four preservation sites in due course...

In the meantime I have been to have a look at the Brecon Mountain Railway near Merthyr Tydfil in South Wales. https://bmr.wales/
This was one of those places I've known about for years but have never been to.

It was a long day driving there from Porthmadog, but well worth it; their Baldwin tender locomotive was amazingly clean, and very impressive with an American chime whistle. The weather, whilst bright, was bitterly cold. I liked the railway so much I went for a second ride but on the footplate.

I also had a quick look round their works where another Baldwin is nearing the end of a long rebuild.

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr. Have a look if you're interested:


Cheers,

Michael Chapman, UK.



TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC; more photographs from Wales.

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Apologies for filling your inbox with emails that aren't relevant to the Australian Light Railways scene.

Of late I've been getting really interested in the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad in Maine USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_River_and_Rangeley_Lakes_Railroad

I am planning a trip to Maine at some point to have a look at the three or four preservation sites in due course...

In the meantime I have been to have a look at the Brecon Mountain Railway near Merthyr Tydfil in South Wales. https://bmr.wales/
This was one of those places I've known about for years but have never been to.

It was a long day driving there from Porthmadog, but well worth it; their Baldwin tender locomotive was amazingly clean, and very impressive with an American chime whistle. The weather, whilst bright, was bitterly cold. I liked the railway so much I went for a second ride but on the footplate.

I also had a quick look round their works where another Baldwin is nearing the end of a long rebuild.

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr. Have a look if you're interested:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157665888142448

Cheers,

Michael Chapman, UK.


Bremer River bridge

Petan
 

Recent trip to QLD State Archives produced the usual load of goodies including an almost full load on my USB memory stick from the large touch screen “Map Vending Machine” in the main research room.

 

Included is an 1865 railway bridge over the Bremer River. At that date, it was the original road and rail bridge between the Ipswich Station and the workshops. While some have seen this before, my interest was taken by its title of “Light Railways”. The plan reveals the train mass was mostly taken by the piers on one side. Naturally the item is as I found it with regards its title and QSA codes.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gSpqrnKRKV1_eUuG-CCIYDaTy2V8L0u/view

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: A small request - YouTube

Michael McCarthy
 

Hi Phil, 
shall do!
Cheers
Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 16 Feb 2018, at 2:13 pm, starry44@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The below e-mail has meandered its way through cyberspace from England and is worth reading.  My apologies to those whom have received it via other channels.

I might add that John Raby's videos are excellent. There are many of light railway interest, in out-of-the-way places, plus heavier railway material. Might I recommend his Chinese "Jincheng Reed Railway".  If everyone who reads this subscribed he would reach the magic milestone. Subscribing to his YouTube channel costs nothing!  But it does give John some pin-money in return for the excellent service he renders.
I realise you have to endure a ten-second ad (which one can usually truncate) to reach the video, but, fair dinkum, I think it's worth it. Give it a go.

I hope you continue to enjoy his videos. 

cheers   Phil Rickard

Subject: A small request - YouTube
This is a revised version of what I wrote on my Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/john.raby.71

I will shortly 'go dark' on YouTube. Until 20 February 2018, I am able to 'monetise' my videos on YouTube and earn a small sum of around £60 every year or 18 months as a ‘reward' for my efford to record, edit and upload my videos to be watched freely on YouTube. I have 662 subscribers and 285,982 (assumed lifetime) views of my videos but that's not enough for YouTube. According to them: 

"On February 20th, 2018, ... On that date, channels with fewer than 1,000 subs or 4,000 watch hours will no longer be able to earn money on YouTube."

But I have only 662 subs!

My response will be to make all my videos unlisted. That way, I hope that YouTube won't be able to make any money out of my content. I can choose public, unlisted or private setting for videos and all are currently public. When I go unlisted, I would expect only those with the links to be able to see them. (Let me know if you need a link.) If YouTube sticks with its punishment of small niche videomakers, I will consider making my videos private or even deleting them... But, we are not there yet. My first step is to 'unlist' all of them on 20 February. 

Prior to that, you can see my videos on my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z8-l1CDAMKQR5QM4fVqOQ

In response to this post it was suggested that I might want to ask people to subscribe to get me up to the 1000 mark and numbers have crept up a bit to 675 subscribers. Well, I think reaching 1000 before 20 February is a tall ask but with this email, I’ll give it a try. I’d be most grateful if you would visit my YouTube channel and subscribe.

My videos on YouTube range from China and Java in the mainline steam era to the last train at Rongshan, UK preserved steam, Rumania, Eritrea and Cuba. Before the YouTube bosses decided to get vindictive, I was planning to put most of my DVD collection on YouTube and you can already see some of these there.
I hope you enjoy the videos (and please subscribe).
John
John Raby
Marigold Cottage
77 Church Lane
Sutton-on-Sea
Lincs   LN12 2JA

01507 442151
07480 414346
"



A small request - YouTube

Phil Rickard
 

The below e-mail has meandered its way through cyberspace from England and is worth reading.  My apologies to those whom have received it via other channels.

I might add that John Raby's videos are excellent. There are many of light railway interest, in out-of-the-way places, plus heavier railway material. Might I recommend his Chinese "Jincheng Reed Railway".  If everyone who reads this subscribed he would reach the magic milestone. Subscribing to his YouTube channel costs nothing!  But it does give John some pin-money in return for the excellent service he renders.
I realise you have to endure a ten-second ad (which one can usually truncate) to reach the video, but, fair dinkum, I think it's worth it. Give it a go.

I hope you continue to enjoy his videos. 

cheers   Phil Rickard

Subject: A small request - YouTube
This is a revised version of what I wrote on my Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/john.raby.71

I will shortly 'go dark' on YouTube. Until 20 February 2018, I am able to 'monetise' my videos on YouTube and earn a small sum of around £60 every year or 18 months as a ‘reward' for my efford to record, edit and upload my videos to be watched freely on YouTube. I have 662 subscribers and 285,982 (assumed lifetime) views of my videos but that's not enough for YouTube. According to them: 

"On February 20th, 2018, ... On that date, channels with fewer than 1,000 subs or 4,000 watch hours will no longer be able to earn money on YouTube."

But I have only 662 subs!

My response will be to make all my videos unlisted. That way, I hope that YouTube won't be able to make any money out of my content. I can choose public, unlisted or private setting for videos and all are currently public. When I go unlisted, I would expect only those with the links to be able to see them. (Let me know if you need a link.) If YouTube sticks with its punishment of small niche videomakers, I will consider making my videos private or even deleting them... But, we are not there yet. My first step is to 'unlist' all of them on 20 February. 

Prior to that, you can see my videos on my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z8-l1CDAMKQR5QM4fVqOQ

In response to this post it was suggested that I might want to ask people to subscribe to get me up to the 1000 mark and numbers have crept up a bit to 675 subscribers. Well, I think reaching 1000 before 20 February is a tall ask but with this email, I’ll give it a try. I’d be most grateful if you would visit my YouTube channel and subscribe.

My videos on YouTube range from China and Java in the mainline steam era to the last train at Rongshan, UK preserved steam, Rumania, Eritrea and Cuba. Before the YouTube bosses decided to get vindictive, I was planning to put most of my DVD collection on YouTube and you can already see some of these there.
I hope you enjoy the videos (and please subscribe).
John
John Raby
Marigold Cottage
77 Church Lane
Sutton-on-Sea
Lincs   LN12 2JA

01507 442151
07480 414346
"



Re: Battery loco operator required

John Browning
 

Philip Graham has kindly reminded me that news of the order for large battery locomotive(s) for the Sydney Metro project first emerged in 2016. The manufacturer is CRRC Zhuzhou Locomotive Co Ltd.

 

This Chinese web page shows a couple of photos of the type but I am unsure if one has been delivered to Sydney yet. http://www.gongyetoutiao.com/xw/html/4732.shtml

 

John


Re: An introduction and a question

Steve O'Dea
 

Hi Stuart,

 

I did not find any of the second tier in my initial searches but since joining this group I have been given significant help and contact details of both companies and individuals who can help.

 

I’ll update the group when I have further information; at this stage it is looking very positive!

 

Cheers,

Steve

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2018 1:40 PM
To: Light Railways Yahoo
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: An introduction and a question

 

 

Hi Steve

 

While I imagine the big primary contractors of Australia aren’t ideal for your price, what about some of the second tier guys who actually do the work. I see Taylor Rail support big projects, but also medium sized ones as well. They may have a more ‘practical’ approach to what you need on the ground. McLeod rail is a Victorian company who will turn their hand to pretty much anything. I’m sure there are other companies scattered across Australia who may well be suitable for your task and perhaps closer to your site.. The ARA, as peak industry body, might be able to point you in the right direction.

 

Good luck

 

Stuart


Re: An introduction and a question

Stuart Thyer
 

Hi Steve

While I imagine the big primary contractors of Australia aren’t ideal for your price, what about some of the second tier guys who actually do the work. I see Taylor Rail support big projects, but also medium sized ones as well. They may have a more ‘practical’ approach to what you need on the ground. McLeod rail is a Victorian company who will turn their hand to pretty much anything. I’m sure there are other companies scattered across Australia who may well be suitable for your task and perhaps closer to your site.. The ARA, as peak industry body, might be able to point you in the right direction.

Good luck

Stuart


Re: : Re: Bundaberg

Petan
 

Hi Folks, thanks for all the replies as they have assisted my progress!

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: Battery loco operator required

John Browning
 

Thanks Stuart.

Very interesting – it implies drivers.

 

While it is conceivable that battery locomotives could be used on construction, I suspect that the requirement might be for operating a small remote-controlled unit for moving the new stock around at the Rouse Hill maintenance depot.

 

There seems to be a proliferation of such units occurring and little is known about them. For example, Bombardier have one at their Wulkuraka maintenance depot near Ipswich for the new Queensland electric trains. It met with a slight accident last year as the attachment shows.

Variations on the theme are also being supplied for use at light rail depots, wheel lathe facilities and possibly freight terminals.

 

John

 

 


Re: : Battery loco operator required

Philip G Graham
 

I would think that this is for the Sydney Metro depot shunter and recovery loco. There was one of these units, a centre-cab Bo-Bo, purchased recently from China that is capable of running in battery mode and recharging via the running supply current. It can haul a full train consist over the Metro ruling grade.  There is only one at this stage, but probably will need another with the coming expansion.

Battery electric locos for the construction stage, if used, are of a different configuration with differing load factors. There is no indication yet, whether there will be construction rail used in the TBM tunnels or if diesel traction or battery electric will be used.

-PGG-