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Re: TACL Drawings

Phil <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

Rod,

Sorry for the late spotting of your message, and in case no one has responded, please see file http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/TACL%20Locomotive%20Drawings/ They are only the Patent Application drawings so I don't know how they compare with what was actually produced.

regards Phil Rickard

--- In LRRSA@..., Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Would someone have drawings of the TACL tractors I might obtain please?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson


Re: Light Rail Photographs

rthorne475
 

Dear Paul,

I should have looked more closely at your photo, as it quite clearly shows two four-wheel wagons.  My first glance having mislead me, I was intrigued as I was unaware of any 6-wheelers on the SAR other than the Cleminson radials of 1878, which it clearly was NOT.  Checking photos of the Mundoora line, I see that the wagons appear to be the standard design used on it.  They are amazing survivors in any case.

I've read that the Waratah Gypsum's three VIW locos carried builder's numbers 3549/1926, 3555/1926 and 4152/1935, so it is likely that one of the locos in the photo is 3555.

Attached is a drawing of the 'Standard Jetty Truck' used on S A Marine Board (later Harbours Board) 3' 6" gauge jetty lines in South Australia.  I drew this (over 20 years ago, I'm shocked to see) based on a large drawing prepared by the Engineer-In-Chief's Office in 1888.  It appeared in 'Light Railways' 104 (April 1989).

Regards,

Richard Horne



________________________________
From: Nipper <heavyplant@...>
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 12:31
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs


 
Hi Richard,

The wagon(s) preserved at Mundoora are actually 4-wheelers, and as they have
no couplers they are butted up together and it appears that they a single
wagon (there are two of them). The reason they still exist is interesting.
One of my friends' grandfather "obtained" them after the tramway was closed
and kept them in his shed on his farm at Mundoora, solely for the reason
that he did not want to see something of local historical significance go to
scrap. They are in wonderful condition due to their long-time storage
undercover, however they have no identification numbers on them. I will try
to find out some more on their history; we have a farm just over the hill
from Mundoora at Merriton and I have a few local connections that may be
able to assist.
Unfortunately I do not have any further information on the Stenhouse Bay
locomotives. I also have family that live down the bottom of Yorke
Peninsula, and was given a locally produced booklet in 1994 which shows a
picture of two of the Vulcan locomotives at Marion Bay as 0-4-0's in what
appears to be fairly new condition. They both have Vulcan lettering on the
side, and one is numbered 32xx (it looks like 3255), but I am unable to
decipher the number on the other. Could these be builder's numbers? I will
also attempt to get an original copy of this photograph if it is of
interest.
Thanks Richard and everyone else for the further information you have
supplied. What a great group of helpful individuals. When I get a new
scanner I will upload some slides I have of other light rail items.

Kind Regards,

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
Of richard horne
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 8:30 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs

Paul,

Thank you for such an interesting collection of views. The old SAR 6 wheel
wagon preserved at Mundoora was new to me and is a real gem.

Further to Peter Knife's note on the TACL 46  at Franklin (preserved by the
National Trust in 1971), I understand that its owner before 1954 was the
Adelaide Cement Co. at Klein's Point.

The 'preserved' loco at Stehhouse Bay, Waratah Gypsum Pty Ltd 0-4-0DM loco
No.301, built by Vulcan Iron Works (USA), is a bit of a mystery, as it was
one of three such locos (originally 0-4-0PM), identified by the letters F, G
and H.  Locos J, K and M were built by Malcolm Moore and locos 304 and 306
were built by Ruston & Hornsby.  It would thus appear to have been
renumbered, presumably with the lettering system abandoned.  Does anyone
know its identity?  No locos lettered A, B, C, D, E, I and L appear to have
existed, so I wonder what was the reasoning behind the 'numbering' system.

Richard Horne


Saving The Horses (LR Feb 12)

Alf Aiken
 

What a fascinating article this was. I would like to thank John Shoebridge for sharing his experiences underground with us. I have always been interested in underground workings & have done a few mine tours although I don't think that ai would be cut out to do it myself.

Alf


Re: Light Rail Photographs

Paul Northe
 

Hi Richard,

The wagon(s) preserved at Mundoora are actually 4-wheelers, and as they have
no couplers they are butted up together and it appears that they a single
wagon (there are two of them). The reason they still exist is interesting.
One of my friends' grandfather "obtained" them after the tramway was closed
and kept them in his shed on his farm at Mundoora, solely for the reason
that he did not want to see something of local historical significance go to
scrap. They are in wonderful condition due to their long-time storage
undercover, however they have no identification numbers on them. I will try
to find out some more on their history; we have a farm just over the hill
from Mundoora at Merriton and I have a few local connections that may be
able to assist.
Unfortunately I do not have any further information on the Stenhouse Bay
locomotives. I also have family that live down the bottom of Yorke
Peninsula, and was given a locally produced booklet in 1994 which shows a
picture of two of the Vulcan locomotives at Marion Bay as 0-4-0's in what
appears to be fairly new condition. They both have Vulcan lettering on the
side, and one is numbered 32xx (it looks like 3255), but I am unable to
decipher the number on the other. Could these be builder's numbers? I will
also attempt to get an original copy of this photograph if it is of
interest.
Thanks Richard and everyone else for the further information you have
supplied. What a great group of helpful individuals. When I get a new
scanner I will upload some slides I have of other light rail items.

Kind Regards,

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
Of richard horne
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 8:30 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs

Paul,

Thank you for such an interesting collection of views. The old SAR 6 wheel
wagon preserved at Mundoora was new to me and is a real gem.

Further to Peter Knife's note on the TACL 46  at Franklin (preserved by the
National Trust in 1971), I understand that its owner before 1954 was the
Adelaide Cement Co. at Klein's Point.

The 'preserved' loco at Stehhouse Bay, Waratah Gypsum Pty Ltd 0-4-0DM loco
No.301, built by Vulcan Iron Works (USA), is a bit of a mystery, as it was
one of three such locos (originally 0-4-0PM), identified by the letters F, G
and H.  Locos J, K and M were built by Malcolm Moore and locos 304 and 306
were built by Ruston & Hornsby.  It would thus appear to have been
renumbered, presumably with the lettering system abandoned.  Does anyone
know its identity?  No locos lettered A, B, C, D, E, I and L appear to have
existed, so I wonder what was the reasoning behind the 'numbering' system.

Richard Horne


Re: Slipways and Portable Railways

Daniel Osborne
 

A short report along with photo's can be found here
http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/laos01.htm.
Regards
Daniel

--- In LRRSA@..., "Michael Marczan" <michaelmarczan@...> wrote:

A 14 kilometer railway was constructed by the French colonial government in Laos around 1917. It was used to transport boats and cargo past a series of rapids. A concrete viaduct was built between the islands of Don Khon and Don Det. The concrete viaduct still exists in use as a footbridge and the remains of an O & K locomotive, rail, loading facilities and trackbed are supposed to be still in existance. If anyone has information or photos of the railway I would love to hear from them. I will be in Laos in March and hope to get down there to explore the remnants.

Michael Marczan
Port Macquarie

"The former is probably a misnomer as it concerned putting a vessel on a cradel and towing it on wooden rails from one bay to another. It was in fact a short cut to Hobart to the East Coast."


Re: Slipways and Portable Railways

Michael Marczan <michaelmarczan@...>
 

A 14 kilometer railway was constructed by the French colonial government in Laos around 1917. It was used to transport boats and cargo past a series of rapids. A concrete viaduct was built between the islands of Don Khon and Don Det. The concrete viaduct still exists in use as a footbridge and the remains of an O & K locomotive, rail, loading facilities and trackbed are supposed to be still in existance. If anyone has information or photos of the railway I would love to hear from them. I will be in Laos in March and hope to get down there to explore the remnants.

Michael Marczan
Port Macquarie

"The former is probably a misnomer as it concerned putting a vessel on a cradel and towing it on wooden rails from one bay to another. It was in fact a short cut to Hobart to the East Coast."


Re: Light Rail Photographs

rthorne475
 

Paul,

Thank you for such an interesting collection of views. The old SAR 6 wheel wagon preserved at Mundoora was new to me and is a real gem.

Further to Peter Knife's note on the TACL 46  at Franklin (preserved by the National Trust in 1971), I understand that its owner before 1954 was the Adelaide Cement Co. at Klein's Point.

The 'preserved' loco at Stehhouse Bay, Waratah Gypsum Pty Ltd 0-4-0DM loco No.301, built by Vulcan Iron Works (USA), is a bit of a mystery, as it was one of three such locos (originally 0-4-0PM), identified by the letters F, G and H.  Locos J, K and M were built by Malcolm Moore and locos 304 and 306 were built by Ruston & Hornsby.  It would thus appear to have been renumbered, presumably with the lettering system abandoned.  Does anyone know its identity?  No locos lettered A, B, C, D, E, I and L appear to have existed, so I wonder what was the reasoning behind the 'numbering' system.

Richard Horne



________________________________
From: malleeroute <heavyplant@...>
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012, 6:11
Subject: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs


 

Hello All,

I have recently posted some pictures of light rail subjects to my Flickr
account;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/>

I admit to knowing little regarding the subjects, so any additional
information/corrections are more than welcome. Have a look at;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/>

There are not many pictures there, but hopefully there is something of
interest to someone.

Regards,

Paul.

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Re: Light Rail Photographs

Peter Knife <sar871@...>
 

Hi John,

The TACL at Cowell is works number 46, built in 1926. It went to Cowell in
1954.

Cheers,
Peter Knife

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
Of Peterson, John J
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 6:32 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs

Thanks Paul for sharing the photos,



I was particularly interested in the port train photos. Where is Cowell? Is
that where these items are displayed? The locomotive could have been a TACL
Malcolm Moore patent drawing come to life! Be interested if someone could
work out the builders no. A very early one surely. Gauge maybe 3'6"?



Cheers

John P

________________________________
From: LRRSA@... [LRRSA@...] on behalf of
malleeroute [heavyplant@...]
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 5:11 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs



Hello All,

I have recently posted some pictures of light rail subjects to my Flickr
account; http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/>

I admit to knowing little regarding the subjects, so any additional
information/corrections are more than welcome. Have a look at;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/>

There are not many pictures there, but hopefully there is something of
interest to someone.

Regards,

Paul.


Re: Light Rail Photographs

Paul Northe
 

Hi John,

Cowell is on the Eyre Peninsula in South Australia, between Whyalla and Port
Neill on the western side of Spencer Gulf. The tractor and trucks are on
display there along with a heap of historic rural equipment. The display is
at a parking bay on the side of the road and easily accessible. An
interesting little display. I am pretty sure that there is details of the
tractor on a sign there.

Hope this helps,

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
Of Peterson, John J
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 6:32 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs

Thanks Paul for sharing the photos,



I was particularly interested in the port train photos. Where is Cowell? Is
that where these items are displayed? The locomotive could have been a TACL
Malcolm Moore patent drawing come to life! Be interested if someone could
work out the builders no. A very early one surely. Gauge maybe 3'6"?



Cheers

John P


Re: Light Rail Photographs

John Dennis
 

Cowell is on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula, a little less than half-way
between Whyalla and Port Lincoln. The pub closest to the jetty, the
Franklin Harbour, has some lovely photos, including this one (poor photo,
taken of the original frames in glass) showing the line from the jetty
terminating in a shed at the bottom of the main street. That's the pub
under construction in the background.

http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u23/duttonbay/Odd%20Photos/?action=view&current=cowell.jpg

The gauge is 3'6", but I other details are not at my fingertips.

John

On 12 February 2012 19:02, Peterson, John J <
peterson.john.j@...> wrote:

Thanks Paul for sharing the photos,



I was particularly interested in the port train photos. Where is Cowell?
Is that where these items are displayed? The locomotive could have been a
TACL Malcolm Moore patent drawing come to life! Be interested if someone
could work out the builders no. A very early one surely. Gauge maybe 3'6"?



Cheers

John P


Re: Light Rail Photographs

John Peterson
 

Thanks Paul for sharing the photos,



I was particularly interested in the port train photos. Where is Cowell? Is that where these items are displayed? The locomotive could have been a TACL Malcolm Moore patent drawing come to life! Be interested if someone could work out the builders no. A very early one surely. Gauge maybe 3'6"?



Cheers

John P

________________________________
From: LRRSA@... [LRRSA@...] on behalf of malleeroute [heavyplant@...]
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 5:11 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Light Rail Photographs



Hello All,

I have recently posted some pictures of light rail subjects to my Flickr
account;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/>

I admit to knowing little regarding the subjects, so any additional
information/corrections are more than welcome. Have a look at;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/>

There are not many pictures there, but hopefully there is something of
interest to someone.

Regards,

Paul.

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Light Rail Photographs

Paul Northe
 

Hello All,

I have recently posted some pictures of light rail subjects to my Flickr
account;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/>

I admit to knowing little regarding the subjects, so any additional
information/corrections are more than welcome. Have a look at;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/>

There are not many pictures there, but hopefully there is something of
interest to someone.

Regards,

Paul.


Slipways and Portable Railways

Michael & Valerie Newman
 

There has been a great deal of discussion about slipways and portable railways lately. Two of the biggest seem to be overlooked. They are "the Ralphs Bay Neck Railway by Jack Thwaites and "The Huon Timber Company and the Crown" by Margaret Row.

They were published in the Tasmanian Historical Research Association Papers in the 1970s and 80s. The former is probably a misnomer as it concerned putting a vessel on a cradel and towing it on wooden rails from one bay to another. It was in fact a short cut to Hobart to the East Coast.

The Journals are available at the State Libraries.

Michael Newman


Southern Forests 2012

ianj0trains <ianaj@...>
 

Hi All,

A discussion on another NG forum over the last 24 hours indicated some people were possibly reluctant to register for the Southern Forests Narrow Gauge Convention being held on March the 18th, in the Gemco Theatre, Emerald, Victoria, (across the road from the NG station) due to the information not being on the internet.

In view of this, please note the registration form and clinic electives have been posted on the forum this morning, in a file called (...surprisingly...) Southern Forests 2012.

You will need to print the forms off and post them to David Axup with your fee to register.

Hope to see as many of you as possible there.

Cheers

Ian Johnston
Southern Forests


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Re: Victoria Rail Revival? Fw: Re: [Philippine_Modelling] BC Door Bracing Complete

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Obviously that was mean't to be Victorias.
Apologies for any undue excitment caused :-)


 
Botany Line:  http://botany-line-sig.blogspot.com             Locoshed: http://locoshed.blogspot.com/
                   Philippine Railway Historical Society: http://philippine-railways.blogspot.com
                  South Maitland and Richmond Vale Railways: http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/

--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...> wrote:


From: Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Victoria Rail Revival? Fw: Re: [Philippine_Modelling] BC Door Bracing Complete
To: "Philippine Railway H S" <philippinerailways@...>, "LRRSA" <LRRSA@...>
Date: Wednesday, 8 February, 2012, 12:35 AM



 



 

 

Dear all,
  One of the biggest sugar mill in Asia before, Victorias Milling is planning to revived the railway system.
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Corporate&title=Victorias-Milling-considers-revival-of-Negros-railroad&id=46364
 
Butz
 

From: Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
To: Philippine Modellers <Philippine_Modelling@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: [Philippine_Modelling] BC Door Bracing Complete [2 Attachments]

 

Howdee all,
                 Life has been hectic of late, but I have been a good modeller and not let it get in the way of our weekly modelling session.
  Despite two very, very old school friend attending for a catch up during modelling, I was able to get the door bracing done on both boxcars.
 
Attached photos.
 
Brad
 
 
   ** RIP: Harry Morgan  "Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter" **
 
Botany Line:  http://botany-line-sig.blogspot.com/             Locoshed: http://locoshed.blogspot.com/
                   Philippine Railway Historical Society: http://philippine-railways.blogspot.com/
                  South Maitland and Richmond Vale Railways: http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/
 

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Victoria Rail Revival? Fw: Re: [Philippine_Modelling] BC Door Bracing Complete

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Dear all,
  One of the biggest sugar mill in Asia before, Victorias Milling is planning to revived the railway system.
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Corporate&title=Victorias-Milling-considers-revival-of-Negros-railroad&id=46364
 
Butz
 



From: Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
To: Philippine Modellers <Philippine_Modelling@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: [Philippine_Modelling] BC Door Bracing Complete [2 Attachments]


 






Howdee all,
                 Life has been hectic of late, but I have been a good modeller and not let it get in the way of our weekly modelling session.
  Despite two very, very old school friend attending for a catch up during modelling, I was able to get the door bracing done on both boxcars.
 
Attached photos.
 
Brad
 
 
   ** RIP: Harry Morgan  "Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter" **
 
Botany Line:  http://botany-line-sig.blogspot.com/             Locoshed: http://locoshed.blogspot.com/
                   Philippine Railway Historical Society: http://philippine-railways.blogspot.com/
                  South Maitland and Richmond Vale Railways: http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/


Re: Light railway in SW England

Bill
 

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your offer and the link.

I'm working through the list at present.

Regards,
Bill



________________________________
From: Mike <helcion@...>
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Light railway in SW England


Bill    -

The U.K. Narrow Gauge Railway Society have a list of all NG [all types] & miniature railways at  -

http://www.uklocos.com/ngrs/downloads/ngrs-guide-2012.doc

Websites etc are given where known.   

I know most of the NG lines & a some of the miniatures,  if you would like further info don't hesitate to get in touch.

Cheers

Mike J.      [Dover, U.K.]


Re: Portable Track Research Update

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

Thanks for the details, Stefan.

As for the weather, we moved here (Australia) so my wife could escape Canadian winters. Thankfully, and totally by luck, we moved to an area which has avoided most of the worst effects of Queensland's recent cyclones and floods. Mind you, we had ten years of drought but at least Rockhampton has a pretty well guaranteed water supply (and 2' gauge cane railways only a few hours driving time north and south).

Best wishes, Lynn

On 7/02/12 6:13 PM, stefan_matthaeus@... wrote:
Hello,

can we swap over? I can offer you -15°C here in Germany...

By the way, the most important supplier for tracks, also portable
tracks, portable turnouts (Kletterweichen) in Java, Indonesia, during
the dutch colonial times was Orenstein&Koppel (O&K), followed by
Ducroo&Brauns and Werkspoor. Also Decauville was a part of the business.
Their name can be found often in old dutch javanese maps beside the
permanent plantation railway tracks.



Stefan

Am 07.02.2012 05:49, schrieb A C Lynn Zelmer:

No, simply a low energy day with 36 degree C temperatures and too long
in front of the computer.
:-)
Lynn
--
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA