Date   

Re: OFF-TOPIC UK photographs

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Apologies for filling your inboxes again...

I've been taking photos again, this time of the two foot gauge Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog.

Take a look if you're interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157694097403672

Cheers,

Michael Chapman

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone


Re: "From the Bush to the Bungalow" 1924 film of timber tramway operations

John Browning
 

Thanks Frank

The conditions appear to be hot and dusty.

It was interesting to see the driving technique – mostly braking I guess as the horses would be well motivated by the prospect of knock-off time and a good feed back at base.

John


"From the Bush to the Bungalow" 1924 film of timber tramway operations

Frank Stamford
 

The link below is to the YouTube video "From the Bush to the Bungalow" which shows horse tramway operations on Horner & Monett's 3 ft gauge timber tramway about 3 km east of Powelltown, Victoria. The date is about 1924. The horse tramway operations are shown between 3:56 to 6:04; and 7:34 to 8:06 minutes. I would recommend that you change the speed to 0.75 to more accurately represent the original film speed (click on the wheel on the bottom right and select "Settings" to do this). The film gives a wonderful insight into logging operations, horse tramway working, and life in the bush at that time. Many similar tramways operated in Tasmania, Victoria, New South Wales, and to a lesser extent in Queensland and Western Australia. The YouTube video can be found here: https://youtu.be/7BRpobdO6Hg


LRRSA books

Petan
 

Any thoughts on selling LRRSA books as a PDF? Maybe they already exist as PDFs somewhere in LRRSA HQ as they may have been prepared in that or similar format to send to the printer. My local museum has a space problem especially for book sales stock and so have decided no reprints of their books and instead will sell them as PDFs. Thus I wonder if LRRSA also has a storage problem which book as PDFs instead of paper, might help. No response necessary as I am just raising the issue which may take time for LRRSA HQ to ponder and then make a decision.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Light Railways 261 is in the mail

John Dennis
 

Light Railways 261, the June issue, and the last of the current membership year, was packed by a willing team of volunteers last night, and handed over to Australia Post today. Perhaps a week later than we hoped, but the key word is "volunteers".

The main articles in this issue include a detailed look at Hunslet locomotive 1239 (WD327), recently restored and on display at Ipswich; Early days of Mount Read, Williamsford and Rosebery in Tasmania; the Munitions Factory light railways at Villawood and St Marys in NSW; and a wonderful article based around a set of photographs of the the 
wooden railed trams to the Elliott River, Apollo Bay, Victoria,

Your copy should be in your letter box next week, or available at your local newsagent. If you are not a member you can purchase a copy via the online shop, paper or PDF. Follow this link: http://lrrsa.org.au/Lrr_LRk.html#LR261


John Dennis



Re: Kiama Loco Inquiry from South Burwood Coal Company

John Dennis
 

It says 12,000 in the newspaper.  Fake News!

John

On 27 May 2018 at 17:19, rthorne475 via Groups.Io <rthorne475@...> wrote:
I haven't checked the reference, but surely that £12,000 should be £1,200.  

Richard Horne

On Sunday, 27 May 2018, 07:48:51 BST, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:


Bruce, 

That is an interesting find, it would be very nice to know the answer - or perhaps to be a fly-on-the-wall when they made the discovery.

John



On 27 May 2018 at 16:15, bjr2105 <brucerankin@...> wrote:

This afternoon, I was looking through some old newspapers on Trove and came across the following interesting snippet.

 

One wonders whether the South Burwood Coal Company realised the loco they were inquiring upon from Kiama (Fowler 5265 of 1886) was a narrow gauge loco, rather than a standard gauge one that would have been useful on their line at that time under construction from Adamstown to South Burwood Colliery (colliery sinking operations also underway at that time).  The South Burwood Colliery subsequently became known as Dudley Colliery.

 

Thought that some on this list might be interested.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/ newspaper/article/135708176

Illawarra Mercury, Thursday 3 October, 1889, page 2

KIAMA.

A special meeting of the Kiama Municipal Council was hold, on Tuesday last, for the purpose of considering a letter from the South Burwood Coal Company, making enquiries about the corporation locomotive, with a view to purchasing it. The meeting was attended by the Mayor, Aldermen Cole, King, Noble, Simmons, Somerville and Russell. The price of the motor was fixed at £800, and the clerk was directed to offer it at that sum, give a full description of the engine, and name one month as the time for the offer to be open. If the Burwood Company purchase at the price named, they will have no reason to regret, as the engine is one of John Fowler and Co.'s best, cost nearly £12,000 and has never done an hour's work, being therefore as good as new.

 

Regards,

Bruce Rankin




Re: Kiama Loco Inquiry from South Burwood Coal Company

rthorne475
 

I haven't checked the reference, but surely that £12,000 should be £1,200.  

Richard Horne

On Sunday, 27 May 2018, 07:48:51 BST, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:


Bruce, 

That is an interesting find, it would be very nice to know the answer - or perhaps to be a fly-on-the-wall when they made the discovery.

John



On 27 May 2018 at 16:15, bjr2105 <brucerankin@...> wrote:

This afternoon, I was looking through some old newspapers on Trove and came across the following interesting snippet.

 

One wonders whether the South Burwood Coal Company realised the loco they were inquiring upon from Kiama (Fowler 5265 of 1886) was a narrow gauge loco, rather than a standard gauge one that would have been useful on their line at that time under construction from Adamstown to South Burwood Colliery (colliery sinking operations also underway at that time).  The South Burwood Colliery subsequently became known as Dudley Colliery.

 

Thought that some on this list might be interested.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/ newspaper/article/135708176

Illawarra Mercury, Thursday 3 October, 1889, page 2

KIAMA.

A special meeting of the Kiama Municipal Council was hold, on Tuesday last, for the purpose of considering a letter from the South Burwood Coal Company, making enquiries about the corporation locomotive, with a view to purchasing it. The meeting was attended by the Mayor, Aldermen Cole, King, Noble, Simmons, Somerville and Russell. The price of the motor was fixed at £800, and the clerk was directed to offer it at that sum, give a full description of the engine, and name one month as the time for the offer to be open. If the Burwood Company purchase at the price named, they will have no reason to regret, as the engine is one of John Fowler and Co.'s best, cost nearly £12,000 and has never done an hour's work, being therefore as good as new.

 

Regards,

Bruce Rankin



Re: New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields

rthorne475
 

Dick,

n_andrews@..., of course.

Regards,

Richard Horne

On Sunday, 27 May 2018, 04:09:47 BST, dickwho1 <dickwho1@...> wrote:


My Outlook doesn’t like the address you gave for the author. Is it correct?

Dick Holland
Broken Hill


On 27 May 2018, at 12:25, Jeff Mullier <jmullier@...> wrote:

Volume 1 of "Coal, Railways & Mines - The Railways and Collieries of the Greta & South Maitland Coalfields" by Brian Robert Andrews is now available. This book has a red cover & is the companion to the author’s previous books on J & A Brown’s collieries & railways (black cover) & the 2 volume Newcastle/ Lake Macquarie collieries & railways (blue covers).
 
Volume Vol. 1 covers the Greta & Farley, area collieries, the East Greta Collieries & the East Greta Coal Mining Co Railway to Stanford Merthyr along with the collieries along the Stanford Merthyr line, Richmond Main & Pelaw Main Collieries, along with locos of the East Greta Coal Mining Co. Extensive use of surviving SMR documentation & other period documentation was used & the preparation of the book. The book is 480 pages, hard cover plus dust jacket and is the first of 5 volumes.
 
The book is only available from the author and is not being sold by others due to the limited print run.  Cost of book is $110.00 plus postage and pacing if applicable, with pick up available. Copies can be obtained by contacting Brian by email on n_andrews@bigbond(dot)com
 
Volume 2 of similar size is in the final stages of preparation & is the same size as volume 1 (480 pages).
 
Regards
Jeff Mullier


Re: Kiama Loco Inquiry from South Burwood Coal Company

John Dennis
 

Bruce, 

That is an interesting find, it would be very nice to know the answer - or perhaps to be a fly-on-the-wall when they made the discovery.

John



On 27 May 2018 at 16:15, bjr2105 <brucerankin@...> wrote:

This afternoon, I was looking through some old newspapers on Trove and came across the following interesting snippet.

 

One wonders whether the South Burwood Coal Company realised the loco they were inquiring upon from Kiama (Fowler 5265 of 1886) was a narrow gauge loco, rather than a standard gauge one that would have been useful on their line at that time under construction from Adamstown to South Burwood Colliery (colliery sinking operations also underway at that time).  The South Burwood Colliery subsequently became known as Dudley Colliery.

 

Thought that some on this list might be interested.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/135708176

Illawarra Mercury, Thursday 3 October, 1889, page 2

KIAMA.

A special meeting of the Kiama Municipal Council was hold, on Tuesday last, for the purpose of considering a letter from the South Burwood Coal Company, making enquiries about the corporation locomotive, with a view to purchasing it. The meeting was attended by the Mayor, Aldermen Cole, King, Noble, Simmons, Somerville and Russell. The price of the motor was fixed at £800, and the clerk was directed to offer it at that sum, give a full description of the engine, and name one month as the time for the offer to be open. If the Burwood Company purchase at the price named, they will have no reason to regret, as the engine is one of John Fowler and Co.'s best, cost nearly £12,000 and has never done an hour's work, being therefore as good as new.

 

Regards,

Bruce Rankin



Kiama Loco Inquiry from South Burwood Coal Company

bjr2105
 

This afternoon, I was looking through some old newspapers on Trove and came across the following interesting snippet.

 

One wonders whether the South Burwood Coal Company realised the loco they were inquiring upon from Kiama (Fowler 5265 of 1886) was a narrow gauge loco, rather than a standard gauge one that would have been useful on their line at that time under construction from Adamstown to South Burwood Colliery (colliery sinking operations also underway at that time).  The South Burwood Colliery subsequently became known as Dudley Colliery.

 

Thought that some on this list might be interested.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/135708176

Illawarra Mercury, Thursday 3 October, 1889, page 2

KIAMA.

A special meeting of the Kiama Municipal Council was hold, on Tuesday last, for the purpose of considering a letter from the South Burwood Coal Company, making enquiries about the corporation locomotive, with a view to purchasing it. The meeting was attended by the Mayor, Aldermen Cole, King, Noble, Simmons, Somerville and Russell. The price of the motor was fixed at £800, and the clerk was directed to offer it at that sum, give a full description of the engine, and name one month as the time for the offer to be open. If the Burwood Company purchase at the price named, they will have no reason to regret, as the engine is one of John Fowler and Co.'s best, cost nearly £12,000 and has never done an hour's work, being therefore as good as new.

 

Regards,

Bruce Rankin


Re: New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields

Jeff Mullier
 

Correct address is n_andrews@bigbond.com  replaced the (dot) with a .
 
Jeff
 

From: dickwho1
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields
 
My Outlook doesn’t like the address you gave for the author. Is it correct?
 
Dick Holland
Broken Hill


On 27 May 2018, at 12:25, Jeff Mullier <jmullier@...> wrote:

Volume 1 of "Coal, Railways & Mines - The Railways and Collieries of the Greta & South Maitland Coalfields" by Brian Robert Andrews is now available. This book has a red cover & is the companion to the author’s previous books on J & A Brown’s collieries & railways (black cover) & the 2 volume Newcastle/ Lake Macquarie collieries & railways (blue covers).
 
Volume Vol. 1 covers the Greta & Farley, area collieries, the East Greta Collieries & the East Greta Coal Mining Co Railway to Stanford Merthyr along with the collieries along the Stanford Merthyr line, Richmond Main & Pelaw Main Collieries, along with locos of the East Greta Coal Mining Co. Extensive use of surviving SMR documentation & other period documentation was used & the preparation of the book. The book is 480 pages, hard cover plus dust jacket and is the first of 5 volumes.
 
The book is only available from the author and is not being sold by others due to the limited print run.  Cost of book is $110.00 plus postage and pacing if applicable, with pick up available. Copies can be obtained by contacting Brian by email on n_andrews@bigbond(dot)com
 
Volume 2 of similar size is in the final stages of preparation & is the same size as volume 1 (480 pages).
 
Regards
Jeff Mullier


Re: New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields

John Dennis
 

Dick,

You will have to replace the (dot) with a real dot. 

John

On 27 May 2018 at 13:09, dickwho1 <dickwho1@...> wrote:
My Outlook doesn’t like the address you gave for the author. Is it correct?

Dick Holland
Broken Hill


On 27 May 2018, at 12:25, Jeff Mullier <jmullier@...> wrote:

Volume 1 of "Coal, Railways & Mines - The Railways and Collieries of the Greta & South Maitland Coalfields" by Brian Robert Andrews is now available. This book has a red cover & is the companion to the author’s previous books on J & A Brown’s collieries & railways (black cover) & the 2 volume Newcastle/ Lake Macquarie collieries & railways (blue covers).
 
Volume Vol. 1 covers the Greta & Farley, area collieries, the East Greta Collieries & the East Greta Coal Mining Co Railway to Stanford Merthyr along with the collieries along the Stanford Merthyr line, Richmond Main & Pelaw Main Collieries, along with locos of the East Greta Coal Mining Co. Extensive use of surviving SMR documentation & other period documentation was used & the preparation of the book. The book is 480 pages, hard cover plus dust jacket and is the first of 5 volumes.
 
The book is only available from the author and is not being sold by others due to the limited print run.  Cost of book is $110.00 plus postage and pacing if applicable, with pick up available. Copies can be obtained by contacting Brian by email on n_andrews@bigbond(dot)com
 
Volume 2 of similar size is in the final stages of preparation & is the same size as volume 1 (480 pages).
 
Regards
Jeff Mullier



Re: New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields

dickwho1
 

My Outlook doesn’t like the address you gave for the author. Is it correct?

Dick Holland
Broken Hill


On 27 May 2018, at 12:25, Jeff Mullier <jmullier@...> wrote:

Volume 1 of "Coal, Railways & Mines - The Railways and Collieries of the Greta & South Maitland Coalfields" by Brian Robert Andrews is now available. This book has a red cover & is the companion to the author’s previous books on J & A Brown’s collieries & railways (black cover) & the 2 volume Newcastle/ Lake Macquarie collieries & railways (blue covers).
 
Volume Vol. 1 covers the Greta & Farley, area collieries, the East Greta Collieries & the East Greta Coal Mining Co Railway to Stanford Merthyr along with the collieries along the Stanford Merthyr line, Richmond Main & Pelaw Main Collieries, along with locos of the East Greta Coal Mining Co. Extensive use of surviving SMR documentation & other period documentation was used & the preparation of the book. The book is 480 pages, hard cover plus dust jacket and is the first of 5 volumes.
 
The book is only available from the author and is not being sold by others due to the limited print run.  Cost of book is $110.00 plus postage and pacing if applicable, with pick up available. Copies can be obtained by contacting Brian by email on n_andrews@bigbond(dot)com
 
Volume 2 of similar size is in the final stages of preparation & is the same size as volume 1 (480 pages).
 
Regards
Jeff Mullier


New book on Greta/South Maitland Coalfields

Jeff Mullier
 

Volume 1 of "Coal, Railways & Mines - The Railways and Collieries of the Greta & South Maitland Coalfields" by Brian Robert Andrews is now available. This book has a red cover & is the companion to the author’s previous books on J & A Brown’s collieries & railways (black cover) & the 2 volume Newcastle/ Lake Macquarie collieries & railways (blue covers).
 
Volume Vol. 1 covers the Greta & Farley, area collieries, the East Greta Collieries & the East Greta Coal Mining Co Railway to Stanford Merthyr along with the collieries along the Stanford Merthyr line, Richmond Main & Pelaw Main Collieries, along with locos of the East Greta Coal Mining Co. Extensive use of surviving SMR documentation & other period documentation was used & the preparation of the book. The book is 480 pages, hard cover plus dust jacket and is the first of 5 volumes.
 
The book is only available from the author and is not being sold by others due to the limited print run.  Cost of book is $110.00 plus postage and pacing if applicable, with pick up available. Copies can be obtained by contacting Brian by email on n_andrews@bigbond(dot)com
 
Volume 2 of similar size is in the final stages of preparation & is the same size as volume 1 (480 pages).
 
Regards
Jeff Mullier


Cane horse wagon

Peter and Susan C <petanoz@...>
 

QLD State Archives Instagram of cane stalks on a horse drawn wagon. Cane vertical not horizontal. Actually this post is really an excuse to try out the new group and thanks everyone who helped the transfer!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjJcQQ0HBn0/?taken-by=qsarchives

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

 


Transfer to groups.io is now complete

Frank Stamford
 

Good morning all - this message is coming from the new LRRSA Group at groups.io

The old group at Yahoo will remain in existence but I will be closing it to placement of new messages in a few days. 

All the messages, photographs, and files on the Yahoo group have been transferred to groups.io, as have all the members with working email addresses. 

You can find the new group at: https://groups.io/g/LRRSA

You can send messages from that page. You can also send messages to the group using the following email address: LRRSA@groups.io

Regards,
Frank


IMPORTANT - transfer of this Group to groups.io

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,


This is a follow up to my message of 7 May in which I prematurely advised of the transfer of this Group from Yahoo to groups.io.


The transfer of this Group is now about to start. It may take several days.


Please refrain from sending any messages to this Group until you are advised that the transfer is complete. Any messages sent during the transfer may be lost.


From your viewpoint the transfer process will be completely automatic.


Regards,

Frank  


Re: CSR history book 1956

Kevin Sewell
 

There is still sugar cane growing in the Royal Botanic Gardens, although clearly it doesn't grow fast or prolific enough to be commercially viable in Sydney.

My understanding is TA Scott owned a big boarding house on the north facing peninsula just to the south of the present Tascott station (so around that curve to the south of Tascott) and it was the railway halt at TA Scott's boarding house that became known as Tascott. There are photos floating around of Tascott station with the big boarding house up on the hill. It would have had majestic views up towards The Broadwater. I think it burned down about the turn of the 20th Century.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:11 AM, yahoomail@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Bit of rail trivia I found in that CSR book regarding a link between sugar and the suburb and station Tascott, near Gosford NSW. It was named after Thomas Alison Scott  as in TA Scott, which gives Tascott.

 

The book states; ….. as early as 1817 canes, said to have been introduced from Tahiti by Thomas Alison Scott, had been planted in the Sydney Botanic Gardens. Scott was appointed by the Government in 1823 to take over the growing of sugar cane at the penal settlement of Port Macquarie, and in 1827 succeeded in making some crude sugar. He was dismissed by Governor Darling in 1828, but continued to advocate the development of canegrowing in New South Wales. Scott claimed to have supplied many planters with advice and with cane for planting when the industry made a second start on the northern rivers of New South Wales and in Queensland. Captain Louis Hope, the first commercially successful plantation owner in Australia, obtained some of his cane cuttings from Scott, who was later granted a small pension in official recognition of his pioneering work. He was given a grant of land at Point Clare, near Gosford in New South Wales, and died there in 1881. The village of Tascott, near Gosford, perpetuates his name.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2018 7:27 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] CSR history book 1956

 

The following CSR historical book from 1956 is downloadable by individual chapters. The total is about one GB (one Gigabyte), so do it when it agrees with your personal download limits, or do at a public library etc. The following website shows individual chapter headings and the file size of each chapter. Cheers Peter Cokley

Lowndes, AG. ‘South Pacific enterprise: The Colonial Sugar Refining Company Limited’. Angus and Robertson, Sydney, 1956

https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/108925 ,_._,___




--
Cheers,
Kevin

Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement.


Re: CSR history book 1956

Petan
 

Bit of rail trivia I found in that CSR book regarding a link between sugar and the suburb and station Tascott, near Gosford NSW. It was named after Thomas Alison Scott  as in TA Scott, which gives Tascott.

 

The book states; ….. as early as 1817 canes, said to have been introduced from Tahiti by Thomas Alison Scott, had been planted in the Sydney Botanic Gardens. Scott was appointed by the Government in 1823 to take over the growing of sugar cane at the penal settlement of Port Macquarie, and in 1827 succeeded in making some crude sugar. He was dismissed by Governor Darling in 1828, but continued to advocate the development of canegrowing in New South Wales. Scott claimed to have supplied many planters with advice and with cane for planting when the industry made a second start on the northern rivers of New South Wales and in Queensland. Captain Louis Hope, the first commercially successful plantation owner in Australia, obtained some of his cane cuttings from Scott, who was later granted a small pension in official recognition of his pioneering work. He was given a grant of land at Point Clare, near Gosford in New South Wales, and died there in 1881. The village of Tascott, near Gosford, perpetuates his name.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@...
Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2018 7:27 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] CSR history book 1956

 

The following CSR historical book from 1956 is downloadable by individual chapters. The total is about one GB (one Gigabyte), so do it when it agrees with your personal download limits, or do at a public library etc. The following website shows individual chapter headings and the file size of each chapter. Cheers Peter Cokley

Lowndes, AG. ‘South Pacific enterprise: The Colonial Sugar Refining Company Limited’. Angus and Robertson, Sydney, 1956

https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/108925 ,_._,___


Re: Transferring this group to groups.io is stalled !!

Frank Stamford
 


Hello all,

It seems my message below was premature. You can continue sending messages to this Group, at least for the time being.

The transfer process has come to a halt, and the next action is in the hands of groups.io

I have no idea when it might happen, if at all.

If it starts moving gain I will let you know. We would not want messages submitted during the process as they would probably get lost.

Regards,
Frank


On 7/05/2018 8:46 AM, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

Hello all,


Could you please refrain from sending any messages on this group until I let you know it is OK to do so.


As a result of the suggestions from several members I am about to start the transfer process of the group from Yahoo to groups.io. This may take up to 48 hours, although it is largely automatic.


Yahoo Groups seem to have a doubtful future and the system is not being maintained. All the past messages will be transferred to groups.io.


You will not need to do anything to remain with the LRRSA Group, just wait until we tell you the process is completed.


Regards,

Frank