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Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Phil Rickard
 

If you go to https://natlib.govt.nz/collections#  and in the search box put  "Sulphur mines and mining" [include the inverted commas!]
you'll find a couple of online pics with side-tipping trucks, one being filled and one being pushed into the works.
Also the descriptions of several others not online and the magic words  railway lines.

cheers  Phil Rickard

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Bob Backway
 


Just been through the many images I took in 2013. Some have rail lying around. There's an image of rail used to edge a contemporary walkway along what was once a loading ramp. A very rusty length of what may be Barlow rail and a axle - diff set of about 3' guage with hard rubber tyres on about 2' diameter solid wheels. However no remaining track in situ - not unexpected in view of the volcanic activity that closed the mine!

It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Hunslet
 

Photo attachment worked.

Hunslet

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Stratton
Sent: Monday, 16 December 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I visited White Island in 2013 and have photos of the building and machinery remains, I don't recall any tramway remains but didn't know there had been tramways so wasn't looking for them.

Regards,
Chris



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There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard

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Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Tony Coen
 

 
There is a little bit of movie film.
 
    Cheers, Tony Coen.
 

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand
 
A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

John Browning
 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Mike
 

Looking at 'White Island' on Wikipedia there are currently  two photos, one of corroded gearing & what MIGHT be the body of a truck  -  also links to a mention of 'trucks' being used for sulphur extraction.

Cheers

Mike Jackson


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Phil Rickard <starry44@...>
Sent: 15 December 2019 08:26
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand
 
There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard

Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Phil Rickard
 

There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard

White Island Volcano New Zealand

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

I have a vague recollection of an article, which was in Light Railways back in the 1980s or there abouts relating to sulphur mining on a volcanic island in New Zealand, and associated tramway, I think a converted Fordson tractor was used to haul with. The mining enterprise was destroyed twice by eruptions, this sounds like the volcano that is currently in the news?

Does any one remember this article?

Yours
Stephen

Re: Len A. Clark photos

Graeme Prideaux
 

John

Len was a transport enthusiast from way, way back in the time almost beyond recall.  Some of his specialties were the tramway and ferry systems on the north shore of Port Jackson.  He was the author of the classic "North of the Harbour".

The images both in and out of copyright should be investigated as there are likely gems to be found. 

Cheers

GRP

Len A. Clark photos

John Browning
 

I happened across this collection in the SLNSW catalogue and thought it might be of interest.

They are listed as a collection of negatives and up to number 873 are all out of copyright.

I would imagine that you could photograph them using the light box and then convert them into positives on your computer.

Does anyone know if these photos are well known?

 

There are many photos of government railways and trams in different states.

 

Series 03: Negatives of trams, trains, railways and model railways in N.S.W. and Australia, ca. 1920-1970 / chiefly photographed by Len A. Clark

https://collection.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/n88E3pJn

355. BHP loco No. 23, [August 1935]
356. BHP loco No. 21, [August 1935]
364. SMR Ltd 29 at East Greta Loco, 29 August 1936
365. BHP loco No. 4, 1 September 1936
366. BHP loco No. 8, 1 September 1936
367. BHP loco No. 11, 1 September 1936
368. BHP loco No. 12, [September 1936]
369. BHP loco No. 14, [September 1936]
370. Lysaghts loco "Kathleen", 1 August 1936
371. SMR loco 26, East Greta, 29 August 1936

372. SMR loco 23, East Greta, 29 August 1936

636. Gembrook narrow gauge. Mixed at Gembrook, September 1938
637. Gembrook narrow gauge line. Water stop between Selby & Aura, September 1938

640. Gembrook Line No. 3A at Gembrook, September 1938
641. Gembrook narrow gauge. Goods vehicles at Gembrook, September 1938

757. Condong sugar mill 2' gauge diesel, 10 October 1947
758. Condong mill cane trucks, 10 October 1947

789. Broken Hill S.T.C. No. 12, 22 November 1949

792. Silverton Tramway "A" class No. 20, 23 November 1949

848. Prospect Gravel Co. loco No. 5, June 1950
852. Prospect Gravel loco No. 6, 10 June 1950
853. Prospect Gravel loco No. 5, 10 June 1950
857. Emu Gravel Co. loco (Old B class), 27 May 1951
860. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
861. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
862. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
863. Corrimal Coke Co. 2'6" gauge loco at mine, 6 August 1951
864. Corrimal Coke Co. loco 2/6" "Burra", 6 August 1951

873. Corrimal Coke Co. 2'6" gauge loco, 6 August 1951

1140. E.R.S Electric Loco at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957
1141. Old 27 P.W.D at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957
1143. E.R.S No 1 at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957

1370. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955
1371. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955
1372. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955

1711. S.M.R. loco, 26 September 1958
1712. S.M.R. loco, 26 September 1958
1713. S.M.R. loco 31 and Society's train, 26 October 1958
1716. S.M.R. loco 31 and Society's train, 26 October 1958
1717. S.M.R. 31 on Society's train, 26 October 1958

 

The Corrimal narrow gauge was 2ft and I have included The Spit bridge construction because a narrow gauge railway was used there.

 

John

 

 

Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Roderick Smith
 


From a Tasmanian railway history, I was supplied with the coordinated.
The aerial view is miscaption.  The scattered buildings lower left are Blessington: just houses, and the Blessington fire-brigade garage.
The angled road past the mill site is Blessington Upper Road, leading past Blessington Upper, and on to Upper Esk, and through to Fingal.

The ground view accords roughly with my photo.

"Blessington-former-mill-a-aerial-ss.jpg" "Blessington-former-mill-b-ground-ss.jpg" 


Roderick

Re: Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Greg Johnston
 

The brick sawdust kiln is still there. Quite clear on Google street view.

 

Greg

 

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From: Roderick Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 9 December 2019 12:15 PM
To: australiantransportnews@groups.io; lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

 

One group solved the tank; another solved the location.
Upper Blessington Rd near Foleys Rd (Blessington, Tas.): Ex-TGR ASG front tank at a sawmill.  Sat.31.8.85.  (Roderick Smith)
Modifications show that it was TGR, not EBR.
That is also consistent with the location.

We had come from Evandale to Ben Lomond to ski, but the the weather was vile and we abandoned the plan.
With a day to fill, we decided on as east-coast circuit.

Hence, at the T junction we turned right for Blessington, Upper Blessington, Upper Esk and Mathinna to Fingal, then to St Marys, St Helens, Legerwood, Scottsdale and on to Devonport for the night for Don River Railway next day.
The tank would have been a surprise, but quite obvious from the road.

I am not finding the sawmill on Google Earth today; it may well have vanished over 30 years.

 

Roderick

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Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Roderick Smith
 

One group solved the tank; another solved the location.
Upper Blessington Rd near Foleys Rd (Blessington, Tas.): Ex-TGR ASG front tank at a sawmill.  Sat.31.8.85.  (Roderick Smith)
Modifications show that it was TGR, not EBR.
That is also consistent with the location.
We had come from Evandale to Ben Lomond to ski, but the the weather was vile and we abandoned the plan.
With a day to fill, we decided on as east-coast circuit.
Hence, at the T junction we turned right for Blessington, Upper Blessington, Upper Esk and Mathinna to Fingal, then to St Marys, St Helens, Legerwood, Scottsdale and on to Devonport for the night for Don River Railway next day.
The tank would have been a surprise, but quite obvious from the road.
I am not finding the sawmill on Google Earth today; it may well have vanished over 30 years.

Roderick

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The Gurdies (Vic.) steam loco?

Roderick Smith
 

The text mentions a steam loco, but it doesn't show in the photos.
If it is a loco, which and from where?
It could be a steam traction engine.
Indeed, a portable engine shows in the photos in the main listing.




Roderick

ASG tank (Tas.)

Roderick Smith
 

Almost certainly this photo is between Stanley and Burnie: but where?
We have a lot of ASG interest in the group.
Somebody may well know, or have their own photo, or a document which lists it.

I am trying several groups.

All help will be appreciated,

Roderick

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Re: Australia's Colourful American Locomotives - a proposed new LRRSA book.

Frank Stamford
 

A little update on this project.

The pioneering Adelaide steam tram motor will be included. The author has just completed the drawings which I have seen. There are drawings of each end, and two side views, one with the outside casing removed to show the inner workings. It is a great addition to the book as it is the only use of canary colour, and the only vertical-boilered locomotive in the book!

The final layout of the book is now about to commence, and it is hoped it will go to the printer around March next year. 

Regards,
Frank

Light Railways 270

John Dennis
 

Light Railways 270 was delivered to the Post Office on Friday morning, so should be dropping into letterboxes early this week. It looks like another cracking issue, highlighted by a lengthy article discussing the gunpowder tramways of Melbourne. Contents are:
- Sleeping on a volcano - The gunpowder magazines of Melbourne and their tramways(Vic)
- Rockhampton Harbour Board locomotive (QLD)
- Rubicon pioneer’s picnic (Vic)
- Industrial Railway News - 14 items from around Australia and Fiji
- Field Reports - The Port Kembla No.2 Colliery (NSW); Sir John Franklin incline, Gooleys Creek (Vic)
- Heritage & Tourist News - 12 items from Australia
- Back cover photos: G42 working on the Beech Forest narrow gauge branch (Vic)

If you are not a member you should be able to purchase LR270 at your local newsagent shortly (that timeframe is out of our hands), or you can buy online from the LRRSA Shop,
https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Light-Railways-No270-December-2019 for the printed version, https://shop.lrrsa.org.au/Light-Railways-No270-December-201… for the downloadable PDF.