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Re: New uses for Sydney's disused rail tunnels

Eddie Oliver
 

On 6/10/2018 09:43, John Cleverdon wrote:
Hello all,
A little OT but this may be of interest to some of you; from the Urban Developer email list during the week:
https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/secret-tunnels-provide-sydney-development-opportunity

At least this article does not contain the gross myth in most Sydney newspaper reports which claim that the missing tracks were to go to the northern beaches



New uses for Sydney's disused rail tunnels

John Cleverdon <johnc@...>
 

Hello all,
A little OT but this may be of interest to some of you; from the Urban Developer email list during the week:
https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/secret-tunnels-provide-sydney-development-opportunity

Regards,
John
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LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-cleverdon/a/a81/2b


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Narrow gauge bucket list.

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

At this point I would normally apologise for filling your inboxes with emails plugging photo albums on Flickr about a visit to a narrow gauge railway somewhere in the UK...

Today is no exception; however, today's album of images was captured on the 30th September at Quorn in South Australia when I travelled on the Pichi Richi Railway and the Coffee Pot.

I've known about this vehicle for over twenty years and it has been on my bucket list to see and do - mission accomplished - another one crossed off the list.

The carriage only seats 22 and books out well in advance; however, you get a train ride, welcome aboard drink, food, a photo run-past and a shed tour - it was awesome!

For more information visit: https://www.pichirichirailway.org.au/train-services/coffee-pot

My photos can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157674155658238

Take a look of you are interested.

Michael Chapman
Normally resident in West Yorkshire but currently in Melbourne - Climax trip at Puffing Billy tomorrow, but that's another story...


Light Railways 263

John Dennis
 

All,

Light Railways 263 (October 2018) was packed last night, and is now in the hands of Oz Post. With luck and a trailing wind members should begin to receive the magazine, and the four inserts so carefully added, early next week. 

The feature article is part 6 of the long running "Cheetham Chronicles". Peter Evans is continuing Norm Houghton's work, describing the salt tramways at Moolap and Laverton in Victoria. Part 5 of this series appeared way back in April 1993, issue 120, back in the "small format" days.

For non-members the magazine will be available at your newsagent, or online from lrrsa.org.au via the online shop, in both printed and PDF form

John 


Re: NSW Historical Land Records Viewer

Iain
 

Peter and others,

 

This feature was removed – in my view in violation of the terms of sale. The Royal Australian Historical Society, of which I am a councillor, is pursuing this but I am not sure how much headway we are making. Other societies and individuals also need to complain to the Government and to those running the now privatised Land Titles Office. My understanding is that they have also closed the basement search room.

 

Cheers    

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of Petan
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2018 4:14 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] NSW Historical Land Records Viewer

 

As I assume, like me, you may also occasionally make use of maps printed off the following NSW government website, the following may be of interest. Anyone know of a work around for this, please?

 

http://www.nswlrs.com.au/about_nswlrs/announcements/changes_to_historical_land_records_viewer

 

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

Changes to Historical Land Records Viewer

NSW LRS has published a corrected version of the Terms and Conditions for use of the Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV) to align with the Terms and Conditions delegated to NSW LRS through the concession arrangements from 1 July 2017.

NSW LRS has also recently made changes to the HLRV system. The print and save function has been removed from the HLRV to align with the corrected version of the Terms and Conditions.

NSW LRS apologises for any confusion regarding the Terms and Conditions for the HLRV.

For further information please contact us.

 


NSW Historical Land Records Viewer

Petan
 

As I assume, like me, you may also occasionally make use of maps printed off the following NSW government website, the following may be of interest. Anyone know of a work around for this, please?

 

http://www.nswlrs.com.au/about_nswlrs/announcements/changes_to_historical_land_records_viewer

 

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

Changes to Historical Land Records Viewer

NSW LRS has published a corrected version of the Terms and Conditions for use of the Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV) to align with the Terms and Conditions delegated to NSW LRS through the concession arrangements from 1 July 2017.

NSW LRS has also recently made changes to the HLRV system. The print and save function has been removed from the HLRV to align with the corrected version of the Terms and Conditions.

NSW LRS apologises for any confusion regarding the Terms and Conditions for the HLRV.

For further information please contact us.

 


Re: QR closed lines 1955

Petan
 

More about long closed government lines, this 1936 extract from the Commissioners Report includes the Cooktown, Ravenshoe and the Gulf individual totals.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kLWD06d0HIYZD-TBbpdAqd9I3SYquq7m/view  

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of Petan
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2018 11:17 AM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] QR closed lines 1955

 

Some here research long closed government lines so I offer 1955 Tweed, Canungra (last year), Beaudesert, Cleveland (closed 1960 steam era line) and Ipswich lines (still open as rebuilt electric) plus Tivoli branch data from QLD Commissioner for Railways 1955 Annual Report.

Cheers Peter Cokley

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mwhXJLQ2fSAq0c--iudFlSUWTfj6ZJve/view

 


QR closed lines 1955

Petan
 

Some here research long closed government lines so I offer 1955 Tweed, Canungra (last year), Beaudesert, Cleveland (closed 1960 steam era line) and Ipswich lines (still open as rebuilt electric) plus Tivoli branch data from QLD Commissioner for Railways 1955 Annual Report.

Cheers Peter Cokley

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mwhXJLQ2fSAq0c--iudFlSUWTfj6ZJve/view


Re: OFF TOPIC Even more Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

I called in at Waunfawr on the Ffestiniog Railway's Welsh Highland Railway today.

The new-build 'Lyn' from the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway was visiting.

It looks similar to a Puffing Billy Na class, only smaller.

Photographs are now online at Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157701360382925/with/44648458942/

Take a look if you are interested.

Cheers,

Michael Chapman
(Should be in Adelaide next weekend... then Pichi Richi...)



-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 1:21
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Dear all,

I've been uploading more images to Flickr; this time from the 2'6" gauge Welshpool & Llanfair Light Railway's gala.

Take a look if you're interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157701300886855

Cheers,

Michael Chapman



-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:05
Subject: OFF TOPIC Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Dear all,

Greetings from the United Kingdom.

On Sunday I visited the 15" gauge Kirklees Light Railway. Visit: https://www.kirkleeslightrailway.com/

They were holding there annual gala and this culminated with a train hauled by ten locomotives - they all whistled in unison through the tunnel too!

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

Take a look if you are interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157673249762818

Cheers,

Michael Chapman


Re: Defence sites study

John Cleverdon <johnc@...>
 

Hello all,
I would have mentioned this in the past, but some photos of tramway remains at South Channel Fort from a 2014 tour can be found at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_cleverdon/36057922695/in/album-72157683887262443/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_cleverdon/36057921125/in/album-72157683887262443/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_cleverdon/36057919365/in/album-72157683887262443/

Regards,
John
--
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Mornington Peninsula, Victoria, Australia
John's web page: https://johncleverdon.neocities.org/
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-cleverdon/a/a81/2b




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Re: OFF TOPIC Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

I've been uploading more images to Flickr; this time from the 2'6" gauge Welshpool & Llanfair Light Railway's gala.

Take a look if you're interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157701300886855

Cheers,

Michael Chapman



-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:05
Subject: OFF TOPIC Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Dear all,

Greetings from the United Kingdom.

On Sunday I visited the 15" gauge Kirklees Light Railway. Visit: https://www.kirkleeslightrailway.com/

They were holding there annual gala and this culminated with a train hauled by ten locomotives - they all whistled in unison through the tunnel too!

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

Take a look if you are interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157673249762818

Cheers,

Michael Chapman


OFF TOPIC Narrow gauge photos from the UK

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Greetings from the United Kingdom.

On Sunday I visited the 15" gauge Kirklees Light Railway. Visit: https://www.kirkleeslightrailway.com/

They were holding there annual gala and this culminated with a train hauled by ten locomotives - they all whistled in unison through the tunnel too!

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

Take a look if you are interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157673249762818

Cheers,

Michael Chapman


Re: Defence sites study

Terry
 

There is a railway on Rottnest Island 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottnest_Island
An entry states in part
"A light railway was built from the jetty at Kingstown Barracks on Thomson Bay, to transport materiel and munitions to the guns. Captain (later Brigadier) Frank Bertram Hussey (1908–1985) was seconded from the Australian Staff Corps[36] to oversee the construction of this.[37] The military fixtures including the barracks and railway became known as the "Rottnest Island Fortress".
"After World War II the guns and infrastructure were decommissioned and parts of the railway removed. The 9.2-inch battery, however, was saved from disposal because the high cost of removing and shipping the guns to the mainland exceeded their value as scrap metal.

In the 1990s the gun emplacements and railway were extensively reconstructed, and since then a popular tourist activity has included a tour of the guns and the tunnels, with the journey to the battery being made on a purpose-built train from Kingstown Barracks. In November 2003 a new railcar was put into service for this route, called the Captain Hussey (named after Brigadier Hussey; see above). The railcar was built with volunteer assistance, and cost $171,500."

Terry Boardman


Re: Defence sites study

Colin Harvey
 

The Swan Island fort tramway (from Queenscliff) was installed in 1883.
Other Port Phillip sites that definitely had tramways are Point Nepean and the South Channel fort.
If other defence sites that are not strictly 'forts' are included we might include the Williamstown torpedo store (by 1886) and perhaps military magazines.
Colin


Defense sites study

Iain@...
 

Its good to see somebody reads the RAHS News…

 

The study is firmly in the pre-nineteenth century period so many light railways are excluded. However I was thinking of Cockatoo Island as being such a site being a key defence asset for ship repairing. I might run the idea past Don to see what he thinks.

 

Cheers

 

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain@...

 

 


Re: Defence sites study

John Browning
 
Edited

Other coastal military sites that spring to mind include the naval establishments HMAS Penguin at Pittwater and Swan Island in Port Philip Bay.
They both used battery electric units for haulage on narrow gauge track. 
I should add that these were 20th century sites.
John


Re: Defence sites study

Petan
 

Hi Folks,

 

Did someone say munitions tramways for a fort????   Well, Fort Lytton at the mouth of the Brisbane River has appeared in the LRRSA yahoogroups at various times and Samboo The Bear, our house companion, wishes to submit the following Facebook picture of himself on a munitions trolley at Fort Lytton. Samboo also thinks his picture on this trolley has appeared in the LRRSA yahoogroup before in message 8994 on 12 October 2016.  Google will probably give details of the other tramways there including a horse line. One display had mines on a tramway wagon.

https://www.facebook.com/samboothebear/photos/a.1090333487740576/1091945537579371/?type=3&theater

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of Stuart Thyer
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2018 3:14 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Defence sites study

 

I’m not aware if any fort sites ever had light railways within them for the transport of munitions, but if readers are aware of anything published in this area, it may be of interest to the researchers listed below.

 

_._,_._,_


Re: Defence sites study

Peter Anderson
 

Good afternoon all,

 

I am a new member to the LRRSA and this is my first response to the groups.io, so please accept my apologies in advance for any misunderstandings.

 

I’m not sure of how broad the term “fort” wants to be interpreted, but I am aware of a couple of Australian Defence sites that incorporated light (2’ gauge) railways for the movement of munitions:

Royal Australian Navy Armament Depot (RANAD) – Newington, this site was operated by the Dept of Defence until 1999, and then handed over to the NSW Government for the 2000 Sydney Olympic games and the site became known as the Newington Armory and the rail system became known as the Millennium Parklands Railway (MPR).   All the military infrastructure is intact including the rail system which incorporates approximately 8 km of track, 70 odd turnouts, 6 battery electric locomotives, 40 flat top wagons (4 of which pre-date WW1) and 4 articulated passenger carriages designed (2003) to carry up to 50 people.  Attached are photos of the restored wagons, locomotives and passenger carriages, and below is an extract from a recent internal report that may provide some useful background information.  

 

The MPR is an ex Department of Defence 24 inch (610 mm) gauge railway that was designed for the movement of munitions within the site known as Royal Australian Navy Armament Depot (RANAD) – Newington.  The original rail system was constructed in 1909 servicing the wharf, munitions magazines, storage and laboratory facilities, being expanded during World War 2 and remaining in operational use until 1999 when it was handed over to the Olympic Co-ordination Authority (OCA).  The Armory Precinct has significant natural and historical value, with the sentry post, magazines, residences and other buildings still used today by the Sydney Olympic Park Authority (SOPA) be it for other purposes, along with the wetlands bushland being the last remnant of the Blaxland coastal forest on the Sydney harbour foreshore. 

 

The Newington Armory illustrates the sequence of design philosophies for explosives handling through the 19th and 20th century’s, of which the railway played an integral part as the only form of transport throughout the facilities that links all munitions handling and storage facilities.

 

The railway had been maintained by the Royal Australian Navy up until the site was handed over to the OCA in 1999, the OCA subsequently became the SOPA in 2001.

 

The Millennium Parklands Railway was granted limited accreditation on the 24 October 2002 for the purpose of conserving, restoring, and maintaining the rail infrastructure and the development of passenger rollingstock and associated operational and safety systems for the purpose of conveying persons within the Armory Precinct.  Full accreditation was granted on the 8th December 2003.

 

Generally, the restoration, construction and maintenance principals with respect to infrastructure and display vehicles are based on the Department of Defence – Engineer in Chief’s Technical Instruction No. 50 Railway, 24 Inch Gauge – 22 May 1944, being deemed satisfactory for the very low speed (max 10kph) operations of the MPR. 

 

The passenger rollingstock design was limited by loading gauge and required the development of a unique “fail safe” braking system incorporating a number of safety interlocks.  Standard components to the 24 inch (610 mm) rail industry were used in bogie and coupling design and construction.

 

Woomera – South Australia. The defence facility Woomera used a 2’ gauge railway for the movement of the “Ikara” missile from the workshops to its launch and testing bed.  In 2002 we arranged a visit to Woomera and recovered the 2’ gauge rail infrastructure and arranged shipment to Sydney to assist in maintaining the MPR rail infrastructure.

 

Trust this is of some help.

 

Regards,

Peter

 

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From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of Stuart Thyer
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2018 3:14 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Defence sites study

 

I’m not aware if any fort sites ever had light railways within them for the transport of munitions, but if readers are aware of anything published in this area, it may be of interest to the researchers listed below.

 

East coast nineteenth century defence sites study
 
The Federation of Australian Historical Societies (FAHS) has been commissioned by the Department of Environment with a Protection of National Heritage Places grant to prepare two thematic papers relating to east coast nineteenth century defence sites.
 
The aim of the papers is to provide advice to the Australian Heritage Council. The work of preparing the papers has fallen to Associate Professor Don Garden, President of the FAHS. Don Garden is well known as a historian based in Victoria.
 
One paper is to be a general outline of nineteenth century defence issues in the eastern colonies, to provide context for understanding the extant fortifications.
 
The second paper is to examine the possibility of sites being advanced for the National Heritage List in Sydney and Melbourne.
 
The challenge of the project is gathering together information and reports from around Australia and Don Garden faces not only the tyranny of distance but also the frustration of having much of the literature on the defence sites being in unpublished reports to Government agencies (the so-called grey literature).
 
However, the positive outcome will be for the first time a national understanding of pre-colonial defence sites, their similarities and their differences and this will help determine those sites that meet the high significance thresholds to achieve National heritage listing.

 
Don Garden has written to the Royal Australian Historical Society to see if any affiliated societies may have useful information and whether there are any individuals who may be able to help. Please email Don Garden if you are able to assist.


Defence sites study

Stuart Thyer
 

I’m not aware if any fort sites ever had light railways within them for the transport of munitions, but if readers are aware of anything published in this area, it may be of interest to the researchers listed below.

East coast nineteenth century defence sites study
 
The Federation of Australian Historical Societies (FAHS) has been commissioned by the Department of Environment with a Protection of National Heritage Places grant to prepare two thematic papers relating to east coast nineteenth century defence sites.
 
The aim of the papers is to provide advice to the Australian Heritage Council. The work of preparing the papers has fallen to Associate Professor Don Garden, President of the FAHS. Don Garden is well known as a historian based in Victoria.
 
One paper is to be a general outline of nineteenth century defence issues in the eastern colonies, to provide context for understanding the extant fortifications.
 
The second paper is to examine the possibility of sites being advanced for the National Heritage List in Sydney and Melbourne.

 
The challenge of the project is gathering together information and reports from around Australia and Don Garden faces not only the tyranny of distance but also the frustration of having much of the literature on the defence sites being in unpublished reports to Government agencies (the so-called grey literature).
 
However, the positive outcome will be for the first time a national understanding of pre-colonial defence sites, their similarities and their differences and this will help determine those sites that meet the high significance thresholds to achieve National heritage listing.

 
Don Garden has written to the Royal Australian Historical Society to see if any affiliated societies may have useful information and whether there are any individuals who may be able to help. Please email Don Garden if you are able to assist.


Re: Marrickville, Sydney Metrol tunnelling

Terry
 

Although the site is in the suburb of Marrickville those of us who relate more to railway stations will recognise it as the one time Sydney Steel(?) location alongside the Illawarra line just on the St. Peters side of Sydenham station (near the large stormwater retention dam.
Terry